Claire
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Confused - where is the evidence? Can you have a trial based solely on hearsay?
Are other giving evidence.
Are other giving evidence.
Maybe I'm missing something but would you go to court with suspicions but without any evidence?
We could only hope this would be the case, but sadly, with the people surrounding him giving him advise, this will not happen. What he has done the last several years could certainly not bring him satisfaction. And if he keeps this up with the lawsuits, and loosing, it's going to put him in the poor house. At which time, he will have no other option than to go back "home" to the King and Prince of Wales.It will be interesting to see how today goes in Court.
Thanks to all for posting the different Media analysis of the proceedings. I guess my favorite was The Guardians take on how the day went.
"whatever he had been hoping for out of his day in Court he wasn't getting. He was beginning to see why so many had advised him not to throw himself on The Courts mercy. The law could be merciless."
If he loses this case, he still has others pending. Will Harry learn from this though ? Be grateful for the many blessings, riches and privileged life he leads and attempt to go forward in a positive manner INSPITE of media scrutiny.
If not for himself, then for his children. Has the path he has taken in the last few years REALLY brought him satisfaction and contentment ?
Hopefully this can be a positive learning experience for Harry, at least I hope so.
Wow- “hard evidence of suspiciousness”?! That’s….bad.
Re: the allegations about the flight info I wish my late Dad was around as he was a keen plane spotter and spent upwards of 40 years going to airports with his friends and tracking down planes he hadn't seen etc. I would have loved to know his thoughts about it. When I was young I got the impression he was tipped off about "special" flights by staff - we even lived by an airport
I agree that the flight info was the nearest thing to a strong example but it still fell short in terms of proving definite illegal activity IMO.
There are three other test cases, and over 100 people involved in all.
It's hard to believe that over 100 people are all being paranoid/imagining things, but I don't know how you can actually prove that voicemails were hacked.
It'll be interesting to see what the others have to say. There are always going to be reports about senior royals swirling round, but is someone going to be rushing to tip the press off about a story concerning a soap opera actor?
Yes, you can have a trial based solely on hearsay and circumstantial evidence. Just usually not a convincing case, unless the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming. Here, it's not. Harry's "evidence" is nothing more than his supposition that he must have been hacked.Confused - where is the evidence? Can you have a trial based solely on hearsay?
Are other giving evidence.
I wish this too. I remember during the days following his departure from England/BRF when it was suggested that he and his family might've gone to Africa. I was thinking yesterday how much simpler and happier his life would be if they'd done that and he'd gotten to work on the kind of charity projects there that are obviously very meaningful to him. There'd be little to no press intrusion, and he could just live his life and be happy. For all his faults, he doesn't seem to be someone who craves the spotlight, and he seems like he could be perfectly happy if he was away from it.I wish Harry could simply find the serenity that alludes him.
He actually liked Harry before he was married. Piers is just as biased as Omid Scobie, the Sussexes pet journalist. A lot of things the Sussexes did were silly anyways. No one in the media is completely fair.The Piers Morgan who has always denied that he knew anything at all about hacking, illegal information gathering, when he was editor of the Mirror.
The Piers Morgan who has almost daily blasted Harry and Meghan for something or other on his TV show and in articles in tabloids. That Piers Morgan. A Completely unbiased observer.
There's a lot of this kind of thing from Harry:
"I didn't discuss blah blah with anyone else so the newspaper information must have come from phone hacking"
There's no way that kind of speculation is evidence of illegality on the part of MGN. Harry and his team will have to come up with some hard evidence to convince the judge.
Live feed from Sky News for Day 2:
https://news.sky.com/story/prince-h...ss-diana-piers-morgan-mirror-william-12881275
Some thoughts: credit where credit is due in that PH hasn't thrown a wobbly as I was half expecting him to. I'm wondering if all this is a bit of an eye opener for him and maybe will give him pause to think about his life and what he is doing with it. On the other hand he clearly believes he has found his metier in pursuing the press and may be willing to endure further cross examination to suffer for his cause, which also fits in with his identity as a "victim". I would have thought that as a mother Diana would want only peace and happiness for her son. Perhaps after he's had his say in court in the group of current cases he will consider his work is done, but he may never be able to let it go.
I've speed read his statement, I honestly don't think he wrote it by himself without any help. I would have thought a degree of help with putting his statement together was part of the service by his lawyer, but I suppose it depends on how much he actually contributed to it that tests its credibility.
I think so far his case is weak in that there is a lack of factual evidence. I can't see how his repeated suggestion to the KC of asking the journalist in question about an article they wrote is proof of wrongdoing. Isn't he supposed to come up with solid evidence to back his claims up?
all MOO
P.S. here in the UK we have been treated to reconstructions of the day's events on at least two news channels using actors to play PH
This sounds like an illogical argument. If he didn't discuss something with anyone else, I'd argue it is impossible that it came from phone hacking - because that requires that it was discussed with someone by phone.
I wish this too. I remember during the days following his departure from England/BRF when it was suggested that he and his family might've gone to Africa. I was thinking yesterday how much simpler and happier his life would be if they'd done that and he'd gotten to work on the kind of charity projects there that are obviously very meaningful to him. There'd be little to no press intrusion, and he could just live his life and be happy. For all his faults, he doesn't seem to be someone who craves the spotlight, and he seems like he could be perfectly happy if he was away from it.
Sadly, he married someone who really seems to want and need the attention and adulation of being in the public eye. There's nothing wrong with that, especially for someone who was an actress. But it feels like the best thing for Harry's mental health would be for him to recede from public life; not permanently, but for a few years at least. Living with the kind of paranoia and fear he has isn't healthy and his life doesn't have to be this way. He was willing to give up everything for Meghan's mental health and well-being. I wonder if she'd be willing to do the same for his?
One would think that a mother would want that, but she behaved in an abominable way when he was a child that caused both William and Harry lots of distress--the Martin Bashir interview comes to mind and her 1992 book "Diana's True Story".
I would love to see those actors portraying the court case LOL!
It's hard to believe that over 100 people are all mistaken in thinking that their phones were hacked, but I don't know how they can actually prove it.
That is a good point about the voicemail notification. But how would anyone prove that?
I agree with a lot of this but do find more conflicts. Harry really doesn't seem into hands on charity. Otherwise he would probably do it...because he could now.
He obviously has a lot of love and care to give to people and wants to give it. But the relationship with his partner doesn't seem to healthiest.
Harry wants to be left alone but he doesn't. He wants to up unquestioned...and no one has that right. He doesn't want to be stalked by an unscrupulous media...he shouldn't be. He wants attention on his terms and no-one can have this really. You choose to engage or you don't.
It is such a difficult. I would.love him to disappear, live without intrusion...he has the money for a great life. Have peace and just live his days with the stability that alluded him in his early life.
Sadly he just seems not to be able to get it.
I mean being honest his brother has a lot less intrusion into his life.
A bit of me wonders if Harry hasn't been brought into this almost as a bit of a "brand ambassador". Maybe he was encourage to be part of this by Mr Sherborne back in 2018 and his name and fame used to encourage others to join the legal case whilst of course tying in with Harry's own views on the media.