The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 7: Oct. 2022 - Apr. 2023

[An Ard Ri]

Here are a few more photos from the Ripple of Hope Gala Awards in New York last night.

https://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=06-12-2022 USA

 

[Granada]

Yes, I believe the Sapphire brooch was a wedding gift from The Queen Mother to Diana, She creatively incorporated it into the gorgeous Pearl Choker sensation. Love to know its whereabouts.
Kate wore Diana's double drop Sapphire-Diamond Earings last week upon her Boston arrival.

Diana had such a lovely collection of jewelry. Especially Pearls and different Sapphire collections. It just seems that much is unseen, which I find baffling.
There was also a stunning sapphire watch that Diana made into yet another headband, as part of a gift from The Saudi's. Hasn't been seen in decades.

I would have enjoyed seeing more of her jewelry on her two daughter in laws. We saw the Emerald choker last week on Kate, I guess my bling loving self was hoping for a holiday stunner on Meghan at the Award Show.

 

[Marengo]

Perhaps I have missed something but for all the pre-event drama in the press I think it all seemed pretty toned down in terms of accusations of racism at the address of the RF. The latest announcements from the foundation did not mention it any more and during their speech and onstage chat, the duke and duchess did not talk about it either.

In the onstage chat with Kerry Kennedy the couple focussed on change, RFK and on mental health. The Duchess claimed that she shared her story with American tv host Oprah Winfrey because 'I don't want anyone to feel alone'. About her suicidal thoughts she added: 'Look, I was really ashamed to say it at the time and ashamed to have to admit it to Harry especially, because I know how much loss he has suffered, but I knew that if I didn't say it, then I would do it. I just didn't want to be alive anymore. '

They were right in focussing on their own story and issues that they had faced themselves. It could have been much worse.

 

[suztav]

Yes, I believe the Sapphire brooch was a wedding gift from The Queen Mother to Diana, She creatively incorporated it into the gorgeous Pearl Choker sensation. Love to know its whereabouts.
Kate wore Diana's double drop Sapphire-Diamond Earings last week upon her Boston arrival.

Diana had such a lovely collection of jewelry. Especially Pearls and different Sapphire collections. It just seems that much is unseen, which I find baffling.
There was also a stunning sapphire watch that Diana made into yet another headband, as part of a gift from The Saudi's. Hasn't been seen in decades.

I would have enjoyed seeing more of her jewelry on her two daughter in laws. We saw the Emerald choker last week on Kate, I guess my bling loving self was hoping for a holiday stunner on Meghan at the Award Show.

Considering Meghan is so "into" being a normal, regular, non-glitzy individual ... and, of course, not wanting to exhibit jewelry or anything from a country that marginalized so many minorities and colonized the African continent -- why would she want to wear anything from Diana? Wouldn't she consider that tainted in some way?

 

[Denville]

Yes, I believe the Sapphire brooch was a wedding gift from The Queen Mother to Diana, She creatively incorporated it into the gorgeous Pearl Choker sensation. Love to know its whereabouts.
Kate wore Diana's double drop Sapphire-Diamond Earings last week upon her Boston arrival.

seen in decades.

I would have enjoyed seeing more of her jewelry on her two daughter in laws. We saw the Emerald choker last week on Kate, I guess my bling loving self was hoping for a holiday stunner on Meghan at the Award Show.

Was it? Is it not a brooch that Q Victoria used to wear and as such part of the royal collection? so it would be lent to Diana but not her own property

 

[Denville]

I too have looked in vain for Meghan wearing any necklaces, chokers, even some diamonds and pearls pieces that Diana loved to wear. Diana was always very striking and I hoped that her jewellery would be shared between her daughters in law. It seems not. Those items you mentioned appear to be it. Unless of course Meghan is keeping a fortune in expensive jewellery in a safe somewhere. I doubt it though.

SInce Harry and Will inherited all Di's jewellery, to be divided between them for the use of their wives, then Harry and Meg inherited half of Diana's jewels. If she does not wear them, presumably she IS keeping them somewhere in a safe or has disposed of them.

 

[Elenath]

Logging in late at 9:16 PM for a few minutes and a catching up on a few comments.

Re the Spiderman video posted above. I'm confused. Why? It's cute for Halloween but I don't understand the association with the message nor why he's masked.

As far as I know the theme for the evening was "heroes and villains". Harry wouldn't be Spiderman if he hadn't worn the mask, it's part of the costume. Also, Spiderman is a good choice for this charity as Peter Parker lost both his parents as a child.

 

[Hallo girl]

Was it? Is it not a brooch that Q Victoria used to wear and as such part of the royal collection? so it would be lent to Diana but not her own property

Denville is making a valid point, I think I am correct in saying that gifts to Diana from a foreign country would be part of the royal collection but a gift between Charles and her would be personal.
I am not so sure about wedding presents , possibly if a piece of historical family jewellery it would be returned.
On the other hand Meghan is quite low key on jewellery so she possibly doesn’t wear some of the pieces.

 

[Granada]

Denville the sapphire brooch you are referring to of Queen Victoria's is a different one. That one was a much treasured Wedding Gift from Prince Albert, given to Victoria before their Wedding day. It was a favorite of Queen Elizabeth's too.
The Sapphire Brooch in question is very similar, but a different piece of jewelry.

Back in the day, before the marriage's of Diana and Sarah imploded, some lovely pieces were "given" as gifts, not loaned. Such as Sarah's York Wedding Tiara too. Whereabouts today unknown on that one. Sarah also received a diamond necklace and bracelet as Wedding gifts. She still wears them.
A very similar situation had fallout in Denmark. When Prince Joaquim married his wife Alexandra in 1995 She was given a significant jewel, The Alexandrine Tiara, that belonged to Queen Margarethe's Grandmother, Queen Alexandrine.

Since it was given, not a loan, She kept it when She got divorced.

Again, I just find it interesting that little of Diana's jewels have shown up on her daughter in laws. I thought there was more available. More so is certainly on Kate, but then She has more opportunities.
I was frankly hoping for something last night instead of the "go to" Aquamarine Ring.

 

[yukari]

Could it possibly be that the big pieces (in term of price) were "given" to the royal collection to reduce the amount inheritance tax with stipulation that it could only be worn by W&H's wives since it'd been assumed that both sons and their wives would be working royals with access to it?

 

[muriel]

Could it possibly be that the big pieces (in term of price) were "given" to the royal collection to reduce the amount inheritance tax with stipulation that it could only be worn by W&H's wives since it'd been assumed that both sons and their wives would be working royals with access to it?

That would clearly amount to tax avoidance, and I would be surprised if that had been put in place.

 

[Toledo]

As far as I know the theme for the evening was "heroes and villains". Harry wouldn't be Spiderman if he hadn't worn the mask, it's part of the costume. Also, Spiderman is a good choice for this charity as Peter Parker lost both his parents as a child.

Thanks, it makes sense now
I didn't know is a recuring theme and the private video was for the children to see at the event.

 

[SirGyamfi1]

Could it possibly be that the big pieces (in term of price) were "given" to the royal collection to reduce the amount inheritance tax with stipulation that it could only be worn by W&H's wives since it'd been assumed that both sons and their wives would be working royals with access to it?

No, Diana’s jewels gifted to her by Charles and others plus from foreign monarchs were privately hers. The policy of gifts from foreign monarchs and governments changed long after she died. Seeing as she was divorced from the royal family, I don’t think it would been necessary for her jewels to end up in the royal collection, I think the jewels were simply put in a trust or held by a trust for the benefit of her sons.

 

[SirGyamfi1]

Curryong, I was actually thinking Meghan might have debuted a new Diana jewelry piece tonight. There wasn't much opportunity for glittering jewel events in the short time Meghan was in the UK, then after they left, Covid lockdowns happened.

I have often wondered what the heck happened to the breathtaking sapphire - pearl choker that was such a signature piece of Diana's. It seems Meghan got the Aquamarine ring, a bracelet and another favorite of Diana's, her Cartier watch. But for big 'statement' pieces that seems to be it. Except for the small stuff sentimental things like the butterfly earings Meghan wears.

I’m sure the jewels are with one of her sons or in a bank vault. They probably don’t wear the jewels because they don’t want to.

 

[SirGyamfi1]

Yes, I believe the Sapphire brooch was a wedding gift from The Queen Mother to Diana, She creatively incorporated it into the gorgeous Pearl Choker sensation. Love to know its whereabouts.
Kate wore Diana's double drop Sapphire-Diamond Earings last week upon her Boston arrival.

Diana had such a lovely collection of jewelry. Especially Pearls and different Sapphire collections. It just seems that much is unseen, which I find baffling.
There was also a stunning sapphire watch that Diana made into yet another headband, as part of a gift from The Saudi's. Hasn't been seen in decades.

I would have enjoyed seeing more of her jewelry on her two daughter in laws. We saw the Emerald choker last week on Kate, I guess my bling loving self was hoping for a holiday stunner on Meghan at the Award Show.

I don’t want to derail the thread, but the emerald chocker didn’t belong to Diana. It’s not baffling, both women aren’t into big jewels like Diana.

 

[Mbruno]

No, Diana’s jewels gifted to her by Charles and others plus from foreign monarchs were privately hers. The policy of gifts from foreign monarchs and governments changed long after she died. Seeing as she was divorced from the royal family, I don’t think it would been necessary for her jewels to end up in the royal collection, I think the jewels were simply put in a trust or held by a trust for the benefit of her sons.

Do all gifts from foreign monarchs and governments now go automatically into the Royal Collection?

Also, if a piece is placed in the Royal Collection, can it ever be worn again or does it become basically a museum item?

I don’t want to derail the thread, but the emerald chocker didn’t belong to Diana. It’s not baffling, both women aren’t into big jewels like Diana.

Is it that they are not into big jewels, or simply that they don't have access to them? I obviously see Kate as Princess of Wales and later as Queen wearing an increasing number of "big jewels". As for Meghan, I think she would too if she had them, which she does not.



By the way, do you think that, if Meghan had stayed as a working royal, she would have attended the Diplomatic Corps reception? It is ironic that it took place this year on the same day that she was receiving her Ripple of Hope award in NYC.

 

[Granada]

SirGyamfi1,
I was simply pointing out that I was hoping to see more of Diana's well known pieces. Like earings or bracelets, let alone a necklace, on Meghans big Gala Awards Event last night. I guess we can disagree as to whether Meghan 'likes big jewels'.

Its been reported that She *allegedly* wanted to take a Tiara to Australia on their first tour, but Charles thought it wouldn't go over well.
BUT Meghan did take with her there a set of utterly spectacular earings on that tour though, worn in Figi. A wedding gift from some Saudi Prince.

The riveting Diamond Chandelier Earings that Queen Mary would have appreciated the BLING on....LOL.

Unfortunately, they became EXTREMELY controversial because the Prince that gifted them was involved in the political assassination of Saudi journalist Khashoggi. So I doubt they will EVER be seen again.
But the pictures of her wearing the earrings are lovely.

 

[Marengo]

As shared with us by Toledo:

Meghan Markle wins People’s Choice Award for Spotify podcast Archetypes


and related:
Archetypes is mentioned on the Podcast Category on the last line, when you scroll down the list

Complete list of winners for the 2022 People’s Choice Awards

 

[SirGyamfi1]

Do all gifts from foreign monarchs and governments now go automatically into the Royal Collection?

Also, if a piece is placed in the Royal Collection, can it ever be worn again or does it become basically a museum item?






Is it that they are not into big jewels, or simply that they don't have access to them? I obviously see Kate as Princess of Wales and later as Queen wearing an increasing number of "big jewels". As for Meghan, I think she would too if she had them, which she does not.



By the way, do you think that, if Meghan had stayed as a working royal, she would have attended the Diplomatic Corps reception? It is ironic that it took place this year on the same day that she was receiving her Ripple of Hope award in NYC.

These days gifts given to members of the BRF on official representative duties or trips from foreign governments or monarchs are put in the Royal Collection, but if it is given on birthdays or not on state or official occasions, then it privately belongs to the recipient. If jewels are placed in the collection, the recipient can wear it. I think Kate will wear jewels when necessary or when she feels like it

There aren’t many occasions to wear grand jewels and the personal collections of both women show that they aren’t into big jewels, I’m sure they could request some pieces of jewels to wear from the vault but have to ask in advance.
Of course there jewels that are specifically for the Queen to wear only, but there are more jewels that others can wear that are t restricted to Queens only.

For Meghan if she was a working royal, if KCIII had requested her presence or invited her to come for the reception then she would be there, unless she would be unwell or wasn’t invited then she would not be there.

 

[Marengo]

As forwarded by Durham, the article speaks about the question 'Are you harming your family', as asked during yesterday award ceremony, and gives an overview of the Netflix trailers & the issues that have arisen around those:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ming-your-family-on-eve-of-netflix-docuseries

 

[Durham]

Thank you.

 

[Toledo]

Thank you.

From that article this line got my attention:

Harry’s reference to “The pain and suffering of women marrying into this family, this feeding frenzy” – and how, as he prepared to wed Meghan, he felt “terrified” and “didn’t want history to repeat itself” – is bound to provoke comparisons with the experience of his mother, Diana, Princess of Wales.

The "he felt “terrified” and “didn’t want history to repeat itself” is like a self-fulfilling prophecy imposed in Harry's mind from the start. Or a way to justify this airing of family issues on a 100-million-dollar multi-part series?

If I was a reporter, I would ask him point blank if that was the same feeling he had when, before dating Meghan, he was with Chelsy also hounded by the same exact press. Partly caused by the clowning around single life he had and led with strip parties, the Nazi outfit etc. still out there on the internet. These actions caused the press to see him as a great no-effort tabloid cover subject.

My opinion: The life he led and the attention he got for his very open antics flooded into Meghan's own life when she started dating him. We call those selective memories. And on that question 'Are you harming your family?', well, it took years on Harry's man-child antics that preceded this Netflix documentary. I hope one day he accepts that instead of blaming everyone else on every interview.

 

[Ista]

Posting link with additional photos about Prince Harry's visit to the Pearl Harbor memorial at the request of member TLLK:

https://people.com/royals/prince-ha...cemen-new-photos-surprise-pearl-harbor-visit/

 

[Durham]

Why would US sailors salute a foreign tourist? Is this normal?

 

[TLLK]

Durham-Here's some information that I found that might answer your question.' I'm assuming that Prince Harry is considered "Foreign Military Service" or as a "Civilian who is entitled by reason of position" even though he's now retired from the British Armed Forces and has stepped back from royal duties.

WHOM TO SALUTE.—Enlisted personnel
salute all officers, and officers salute their seniors.
Salutes are returned by persons saluted except when
they are uncovered—the person saluted should
acknowledge the salute with an appropriate greeting or
a nod of the head.
Salutes are rendered to all of the following officers:
• Navy.
• Army.
• Air Force.
• Marine Corps.
• Coast Guard.
• National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Administration.
• Public Health Service.
• Foreign military services.
• Officers of the Navy, Army, Air Force, Marine
Corps, and Coast Guard Reserves.
• Officers of the National Guard when they are on
active duty. When not on active duty, they rate a
salute only when they are in uniform.
Civilians who are entitled (rate), by reason of their
position, gun salutes, or other honors are also entitled
(by custom) to the hand salute. The President, as
Commander in Chief of the armed forces, is always
saluted. Other civilians may be saluted by persons in
uniform when appropriate, but the uniform hat or cap
must not be raised as a form of salutation.

 

[HRHHermione]

I think given that Prince Harry cannot salute or receive the salute in the UK since he no longer possesses honorary military appointments and is no longer a member of the armed forces, he shouldn’t have taken one from US soldiers. It seems inappropriate.

 

[Curryong]

Some more info from the link that TLLK so kindly provided

[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.95)][FONT=&quot]On Tuesday, Pearl Harbor Day, the prince's Archewell Foundation postedpreviously unseen photos from Harry's surprise visit to Pearl Harbor in Honolulu, Hawaii on Veterans Day. In the five photos, Harry, 38, saluted Navy personnel in formation, posed with servicemen and their families, toured a USS Missouri memorial wall, and shook hands with Admiral John Aquilino, commander of the U.S. Indo Pacific Command.[/FONT]

[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.95)][FONT=&quot]"In November, ahead of the 81st commemoration of Pearl Harbor Day, The Duke of Sussex visited Pearl Harbor National Memorial in Honolulu – a monument honoring the thousands of servicemembers and civilians affected by the tragedy," Archewell said in an accompanying statement. "As part of The Duke's continued commitment to remembering and honoring military personnel, veterans and families, he toured the sites of the USS Missouri and the USS Arizona alongside Admiral Samuel Paparo (Commander, U.S. Pacific Fleet) and Admiral John Aquilino (Commander, U.S Indo Pacific Command), paying his respects with a ceremonial laying of flowers at the reflection pool.’[/FONT]

 

[Sun Lion]

I’m glad to see Gayle King say she doesn’t think the Royal Family are racist … and she also doesn’t think the Sussexes believe that either.

Daily Mail’s Jan Moir attended the New York event … back on table 98, but still able to hear Harry and Meghan laughing uproariously … and put the question to Ms King.

It was nice to see her be so direct in her answer, a well-known American, not trying to be on both sides of the issue.

 

[Sionevar]

I think given that Prince Harry cannot salute or receive the salute in the UK since he no longer possesses honorary military appointments and is no longer a member of the armed forces, he shouldn’t have taken one from US soldiers. It seems inappropriate.

It seems inappropriate to me as well. My cousin is in a similar situation to Harry, in that he resigned his Army commission after serving for a few years, and now lives outside the UK. He would not be entitled to give or receive a salute, based on current rules. I don't believe Harry is, either.

 

[Erin9]

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 7: October 2022-

I’m glad to see Gayle King say she doesn’t think the Royal Family are racist … and she also doesn’t think the Sussexes believe that either.

Daily Mail’s Jan Moir attended the New York event … back on table 98, but still able to hear Harry and Meghan laughing uproariously … and put the question to Ms King.

It was nice to see her be so direct in her answer, a well-known American, not trying to be on both sides of the issue.

It felt like damage control to me. There has been a lot of backlash to Kerry Kennedy’s recent comments.

The Sussexes may not think the BRF is racist, but they had no problem telling the world that according to them someone in the family said something they took to be racist. My guess is she’s correct: they know it- but they’re not above saying whatever gets them publicity, sympathy, and money either. And- it’s a great way to lash out if you’re angry at your family. It was a story guaranteed to cause them problems. And it did.

Gayle King is Oprah’s BFF and has been VERY pro Sussex. She has been anything but unbiased.

I’ve noticed an uptick in American negativity to the Sussexes. My guess is that’s directly related to her response too.