The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 7: Oct. 2022 - Apr. 2023


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I'm reading the transcript from Meghan's last podcast with the ever-annoying USA Comedy Central TV host Trevor Noah. I'll return to post my opinion on the forum in a few minutes.

Re Trevor Noah, he's a comedian that was given the hosting opportunity to a big news show that mixes parody with real events. His height was during the Trump years, since the former president was the best thing that happened to comedy on TV. After that his true self as a left-wing celebrity, that can't even vote in the USA, started to come out more avoiding reporting anything bad on the new administration. While being critical of right-wing TV shows doing now what he did during the Trump years, basically twisting news around until the presenter's take on politics is the only one that matters.

That's her guest, for shorts. A funny guy that can't tolerate others' opinions. His bio, Born a Crime, about being born of a South African mother and a German father, is now in development for a movie with Mexican-Kenyan actress Lupita Nyong'o as his mother.

9:24 PM - still reading but tried to do a transcript trick I need to share!
When you open the podcast transcript page, hold the mouse over it and press Control and the F key (for find). That opens a window in your browser to do a word search. in this final podcast, Prince Harry is not mentioned by name not even once. But 'my husband' is there ten times. The brand name archetypes, which is to me how Archie's name was used for branding his mom's career, was used 16 times to dad Harry's zero.

The pronoun I', used as I'm or I'll, was there 71 times counting the guests. Part of me feels sorry for Harry, and another part doesn't.

Her other guest is Andy Cohen, the producer behind the Housewives TV show USA franchise. As a touch of irony Meghan introduces him before saying at the 8:56 mark:

My podcast about the labels and tropes that try to hold women back.
And in order to help us truly break out of these boxes for this, our final episode, I've enlisted some very thoughtful men in the effort men who've been behind some of the most successful movies and TV shows, but also who are part of cultural conversation in such an impactful way through their roles in media and also for some of them their roles as husbands and dads.

The sad part is the Housewives shows are the worst representation of women on TV since the show exploits, with their scripted help, every stereotype you can pack in one hour missing an MMA cage fight.
 
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My last section, the Trevor Noah interview:

Trevor Noah and his mother suffered violence and persecution for being a mixed-race family in South Africa. His mother was even shot and in other interviews Trevor stated how his grandmother used to hide him if white men patrolling the town were nearby, because they would take away mixed race kids never to be seen again.

This was a great opportunity for Meghan to share about her own experience, about the years her father and mother were married. To share her feelings about her father's adult children, from his previous marriage, that would mock Meghan's mom for her race, per public statements from the paternal grandmother. This was the chance for us to hear Meghan open up, share her experience and even speak about her maternal side many black relatives noticeable absent from her wedding. Yet replaced by Oprah, Serena Williams and George Cloney who stated they didn't know the bride.

And she totally missed it constantly diverting Trevor's train of thought to reroute him back to her brand, feminism and her on-going word police telling others what she finds in our language that offends her in everyday conversations

at the 1:16:29 mark
And on that note, that brings us to a close on these 12 episodes of archetypes, 12 moments of opportunity and conversation and time to really think about the things that we say, the words that we use, and where it all comes from, at times, it's been funny eye-opening and sometimes uncomfortable and in that, especially in the discomfort, it made me think of the Alchemy process.

In summary, the series seems forced and rushed so every episode became a repetition on the same theme: The Duchess outraged on words we say that offend her, the tabloids, telling us about her Montecito rich housewife life without mentioning the name of the man nor the royal family that made it possible.

We don't get to know Meghan Markle, only her public relations agent throughout the 12 episodes namedropping the Hollywood A-List like Oprah or Ellen, mentioned 3 times each in this last episode.

It was a missed opportunity, but it also gave us a glimpse of the Duchess of Sussex' need to be front and center and with a person named 'husband' sidelined to the back.

This also made me think how her family life is now affecting the husband's life. Like her, he is now estranged from his family. But to the contrary, he seems to be remorseful on what will be on TV in December plus accepting an award that is an insult to his father and grandmother's memory. While the duchess, on the other hand, seems incapable of accepting the many public apologies from her own elderly and sick father that wants to meet his grandkids just once. She mentioned in her last episode making her child share his emotions daily. How about forgiveness?

Now, that was the material I expected for a great podcast. Enough talking down to us mortals about words and empowering from a multimillion-dollar home. We got to meet Meghan, in her own words, and we also got to peek behind the curtain and notice they are still in isolation when the rest of the world has moved off quarantines. And after the TV series airs, the award for calling out the gentleman that escorted her to the altar during her wedding day, and the book in January I won't be surprised the world will be moving away from them too.

And that's my summary on this series. :ermm:
 
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Curryong said:
Why on earth would anyone want to do word searches of that sort on someone’s podcast transcripts if it’s not for work? I’m truly at a loss….
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It's a regular office habit that carried over retirement, when you write and have to do a presentation you need to prepare a template to stay in topic and avoid repetition. Ctrl plus F is a proofreader's best friend. ?
 
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But if it’s a person’s podcast that you dislike? That’s going to a lot of trouble….

And I have to say that throughout their married life Meghan has mentioned Harry by name or by Haz a great more times than we’ve heard ‘my husband’. It may well have been that saying Harry every time was seen to be repetitive by friends and assistants and so Meghan decided to mix it up a little. I certainly don’t think Meghan sidelines Harry. The two of them are devoted to each other.

And without going into the Markle family dynamics any more than is needed, the relationship between Meghan and her father is a lot more complicated than Thomas just wanting to see his grandchildren.

Also Samantha has a court case proceeding in California against her half sister so I don’t think Meghan expressing her feelings towards her half siblings in her podcast would have been helpful. Thomas intends to appear as a witness for Samantha in that case I understand.
 
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I don't dislike Meghan, just see her actions over her well-manicured words and base my reaction on it. She's no different from people we meet in daily life, except she lives in the spotlight while also demanding the tabloids to leave them alone.

I hope for the best on both but part of me feels after January their actions since they left the UK are going to catch up with them, especially Harry and kids being so separated from his family. The family that is basically the reason they have a lifestyle to enjoy in the USA. Unless King Charles III decides to bring them back to reality and take UK titles away.
And since we are in the subject on family, anyone knows if Lilibeth christening happened? I was searching for news on it and couldn't find one
 
Toledo said:
I don't dislike Meghan, just see her actions over her well-manicured words and base my reaction on it. She's no different from people we meet in daily life, except she lives in the spotlight while also demanding the tabloids to leave them alone.

I hope for the best on both but part of me feels after January their actions since they left the UK are going to catch up with them, especially Harry and kids being so separated from his family. The family that is basically the reason they have a lifestyle to enjoy in the USA. Unless King Charles III decides to bring them back to reality and take UK titles away.
And since we are in the subject on family, anyone knows if Lilibeth christening happened? I was searching for news on it and couldn't find one
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I’m not sure if a christening has happened yet.
 
Moonmaiden23 said:
AZ, the problem with Ms. Kennedy's statement is that it is untrue. Harry's bride was warmly and openly welcomed into the BRF especially by the two people that mattered...the monarch and her Heir.

The Sussexes did face racism in the blogosphere and in the British media. They still do, obviously.

But it was when Meghan felt that the BRF didn't sufficiently have her back against all the negative publicity, a good part of it which was their own fault( the mass exodus of staff, friends and family denigrating her in the press) that she became depressed and the couple made the decision to leave.

She was unhappy in the institution because she was ill suited and ill prepared for it.

I feel that the Ripple Award is perpetuating a myth that is untrue.
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Untrue according to who? People who haven't been in Meghan's shoes? :cool: Surely H&M's claim that she experienced racism at the hand(s of some parts) of the BRF is as plausible as the BRF's claim that they're not "a racist family". You can choose to not believe Meghan but that doesn't make it any less true. It isn't for you and I to make such conclusions as neither of us have been in the situation.

Besides, Kennedy never claims Meghan wasn't "warmly and openly welcomed". It is perfectly possible to be "warmly and openly welcomed" and still experience racism.
 
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Posts discussing Lady Susan Hussey have been deleted. Let’s not bring that discussion over to this thread. If you wish to discuss Lady Susan, you can do so in this thread.

Posts discussing Harry and Meghan’s Netflix docu-series have been moved to their docu-series thread.
 
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Re Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights award for fighting the racial injustice in Meghan's in-laws' family according to Meghan's current media cheerleader, Kerry Kennedy*, the president of Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights organization:

"They went to the oldest institution in U.K. history and told them what they were doing wrong, that they couldn't have structural racism within the institution; that they could not maintain a misunderstanding about mental health"

and

"They knew that if they did this there would be consequences, that they would be ostracized, they would lose their family, their position within this structure, and that people would blame them for it. They have done it anyway because they believed they couldn't live with themselves if they didn't question this authority. I think they have been heroic in taking this step."

* Kerry Kennedy, is also the sister of Rory Kennedy. Rory runs a film production company with Liz Garbus, the director for Harry and Meghan’s Netflix docuseries.

As I see it:
When conflict of interest meets egos bigger than the job they do, everyone promotes everybody.

Plain and simple, and I'm calling it as I see it, the end results here are to make money for the businesses involved registered for tax shelters purposes as non-profits. As a by-product, this makes good headlines for all involved that catapult them as a group package into a fast climb of the A-List elites of both Hollywood and Wall Street.

What is sad about this is everyone involved is riding this self-congratulatory horse on Prince Harry's Duke of Sussex title. A person who still suffers from the childhood trauma of losing his mother with all the circumstances around the dead weighting heavily on both his and Prince William's shoulders. And now, and only because he is Prince Harry Duke of Sussex, a.k.a. Meghan's "my husband" the USA version of the aristocracy, that is the elite involved businesses disguised as non-profit philanthropy, needs him to attract donor$ to their events.

I don't even blame Meghan for this, leading her titled "my husband" into a career in the USA to get funds in exchange of claims of prejudice, persecution, structural racism, isolation. And all directed not at the Murdoch owned tabloids, but at the royal family that can't even reply back to defend themselves. Camilla and Kate lived in tabloid hell long before Meghan and Harry, and they did their best to ignore it and move on.

The Dukes of Montecito, sorry I meant Sussex, are now so far deep into the USA tax shelter business of non-profits we wonder how long this brand marketing structural racism can go on to 2023, 2024 and forth before the USA Elites ask them what else is new? and find another media celebrity couple to replace them.

And mark my prediction, don't be surprised to the Dukes of Sussex landing an invite to the Met Gala 2023, the most exclusive party in NYC with guests handpicked by the editor of Vogue. That will mark they arrived at the A-List, at least for this year.
 
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Toledo said:
Re Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights award for fighting the racial injustice in Meghan's in-laws' family according to Meghan's current media cheerleader, Kerry Kennedy*, the president of Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights organization:

"They went to the oldest institution in U.K. history and told them what they were doing wrong, that they couldn't have structural racism within the institution; that they could not maintain a misunderstanding about mental health"

and

"They knew that if they did this there would be consequences, that they would be ostracized, they would lose their family, their position within this structure, and that people would blame them for it. They have done it anyway because they believed they couldn't live with themselves if they didn't question this authority. I think they have been heroic in taking this step."

* Kerry Kennedy, is also the sister of Rory Kennedy. Rory runs a film production company with Liz Garbus, the director for Harry and Meghan’s Netflix docuseries.

As I see it:
When conflict of interest meets egos bigger than the job they do, everyone promotes everybody.

The end results are to make money for the businesses involved, registered for tax shelters purposes as non-profits. As a by-product, this makes good headlines for all involved that catapult them as a group package into a fast climb of the A-List elites of both Hollywood and Wall Street.

What is sad about this is everyone involved is riding this self-congratulatory horse on Prince Harry's Duke of Sussex title. A person who still suffers from the childhood trauma of losing his mother with all the circumstances around the dead weighting heavily on both his and Prince William's shoulders. And now, and only because he is Prince Harry Duke of Sussex, a.k.a. Meghan's "my husband" the USA version of the aristocracy, that is the elite involved businesses disguised as non-profit philanthropy, needs him to attract donor$ to their events.

I don't even blame Meghan for this, leading his titled husband into a career to get funds in exchange of claims of prejudice, persecution, structural racism, isolation. And all directed not at the Murdoch owned tabloids, but at the royal family that can't even reply back to defend themselves. Camilla and Kate lived in tabloid hell long before Meghan and Harry, and they did their best to ignore it and move on.

The Dukes of Montecito, sorry I meant Sussex, are not too far deep into the USA tax shelter business of non-profits and we wonder how long this brand marketing structural racism can go on to 2023, 2024 and forth before the USA Elites ask them what else is new? and find another media celebrity couple to replace them.
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They are pathetic just like Kerry Kennedy who is living with her own past misdeeds and legal run-ins and using a bully pulpit to call out every one else! High priced hypocrites.
 
Suztav, thanks for the quote but I have the habit to post first and proofread after, I added and edited out some extra lines after your post.

Sorry :ermm: I promise I'll stop now and won't go back to edit more. :flowers:
 
In this forum, may we talk about Harry and Meghan's video release on the first full day of the Prince and Princess of Wales' visit to the US, or is there a different forum for that?
 
SirGyamfi1 said:
I’m not sure if a christening has happened yet.
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Curious...could Lili Sussex remain in the line of Succession if she is indeed not baptized, given the fact that Crown and Church are so inextricably linked?

She will never take the throne of course . But we are in uncharted territory. There has never been an unbaptized Royal relative in the British or any western monarchy that I am aware of.
 
Moonmaiden23 said:
Curious...could Lili Sussex remain in the line of Succession if she is indeed not baptized, given the fact that Crown and Church are so inextricably linked?

She will never take the throne of course . But we are in uncharted territory. There has never been an unbaptized Royal relative in the British or any western monarchy that I am aware of.
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Yes she can remain in the line of succession while not baptised. There is actually no requirement to be baptised until she is very close to the throne itself at which point, should she somehow become the heir, it would be expected that she becomes a communicant member of the CoE or at least be 'in communion with the CoE'. To do that she would first need to be baptised but that can happen in the same ceremony, or on the same day.

The actual requirement is for the monarch to be 'in communion with the CoE'. There is no specific requirements for those in the line of succession.

e.g. at the moment William is the first person in the line of succession who is 'in communion with the CoE' as he has been confirmed. Harry is the second. George, Charlotte and Louis are all too young to be 'in communion' yet but will, probably, be confirmed in the fullness of time. Again no age limit is stated although it would be expected for George to be confirmed before he turns 18 but if he isn't that isn't a concern so long as he is confirmed before he becomes King. What this means, in theory, is that George could be 60 and still unconfirmed and then he is told that William has maybe an hour to live. The Archbishop of Canterbury, or another bishop, could then confirm him within that hour and George meets the requirements to be King on the death of his father.
 
But if there was a child monarch, that person would technically not be "in communion with the CoE". Would the requirements shift to the Regent in that case?
 
Yes - the Regent would have to be 'in communion' and the child would have to meet that requirement by the time they were 18 and so reached their majority and took over as monarch.

No one would expect a child to be confirmed. The normal age for the CoE is between 14 and 16 but that isn't compulsory and many get confirmed at a later age such as while at university or even after that ... if they bother. I would expect George to have a confirmation ceremony at St George's when he is about 15, as William had, while I expect Charlotte and Louis to be confirmed through their school, as Harry was.

At the moment there is no adult over 18 who isn't 'in communion with the CoE' unless Louise hasn't been confirmed yet descended from George VI. The only descendants of George VI who haven't been confirmed are the children - George, Charlotte, Louis, Archie, Lilibet, Sienna, August, James (who would probably be confirmed within the next year or so based on the normal age for CoE confirmations), Savannah, Isla, Mia, Lena and Lucas. Other than Lilibet the others have all been baptised into the CoE and with Lilibet we don't know. She may have been baptised at a private ceremony either in the US or the UK.
 
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Iluvbertie said:
At the moment there is no adult over 18 who isn't 'in communion with the CoE' unless Louise hasn't been confirmed yet descended from George VI. The only descendants of George VI who haven't been confirmed are the children - George, Charlotte, Louis, Archie, Lilibet, Sienna, August, James (who would probably be confirmed within the next year or so based on the normal age for CoE confirmations), Savannah, Isla, Mia, Lena and Lucas. Other than Lilibet the others have all been baptised into the CoE and with Lilibet we don't know. She may have been baptised at a private ceremony either in the US or the UK.
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I think some public announcement like a tweet or a press release would have been made if Lilibet had been baptized, even in case of a private ceremony.
 
Mbruno said:
I think some public announcement like a tweet or a press release would have been made if Lilibet had been baptized, even in case of a private ceremony.
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And I would bet money that Lilibet’s baptism will feature in the Netflix series. Content is needed.
 
Kaye1850 said:
And I would bet money that Lilibet’s baptism will feature in the Netflix series. Content is needed.
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I don’t think this series is going to be hat we think. And the children are apparently not in it. I think it may be more a rather academic look at the press and things. Who cares really.
 
What I find most interesting is the statement that Ms. Dayani will not be replaced as president and Meghan and Harry will take over her work.

She is a lawyer who transitioned into entertainment executive roles. I can’t imagine either Meghan or Harry has the education or experience to replace her.
 
HRHHermione said:
What I find most interesting is the statement that Ms. Dayani will not be replaced as president and Meghan and Harry will take over her work.

She is a lawyer who transitioned into entertainment executive roles. I can’t imagine either Meghan or Harry has the education or experience to replace her.
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Yes- I thought the same thing.

It wouldn’t surprise me if they don’t know what they don’t know.

They do like to be in control though.
 
I have to wonder if money has anything to do with this. If they're not hiring a replacement because they can't afford to pay one. Or if they honestly just believe they're capable of doing a job like that by themselves.
 
Sionevar said:
I have to wonder if money has anything to do with this. If they're not hiring a replacement because they can't afford to pay one. Or if they honestly just believe they're capable of doing a job like that by themselves.
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I’ve wondered that too.

I’m not just taking their statement at face value.

Maybe they really think they’re just as capable. Maybe it’s money related. Maybe they’re just difficult to work for. They certainly run through staff here and in the UK rapidly.
 
Erin9 said:
I’ve wondered that too.

I’m not just taking their statement at face value.

Maybe they really think they’re just as capable. Maybe it’s money related. Maybe they’re just difficult to work for. They certainly run through staff here and in the UK rapidly.
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I was wondering the same thing. I think there is a huge possibility they can't afford to keep her.

There were rumors that money was the reason Sunshine Sachs stopped working with them few months ago.
 
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