Prince Harry and Meghan Markle: Church Service, Carriage Procession - May 19, 2018

[CyrilVladisla]

Did Prince Harry wear uniform gloves with his uniform at his wedding?

 

[O-H Anglophile]

I can’t wait for people to finally get it that he the real deal ‘good, genuine, decent’. He gets knocked a great deal and I don’t think that is fair...

Do you ‘GET IT NOW’??

I agree, Charles gets a raw deal much of the time. But M. Payton wrote about when Charles is king "someday far off in the future." and you wrote "TBH that time can’t come soon enough for me."


As I said, I hoped it came out wrong. Thank you for clarifying you only meant you hoped Charles is recognized sooner rather than later for the man he is and not the caricature portrayed in the press.

 

[soapstar]

This thread is not about Charles, so let's get back on-topic.

 

[O-H Anglophile]

Did Prince Harry wear uniform gloves with his uniform at his wedding?

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https://www.brides.com/story/royal-wedding-meghan-markle-prince-harry-carriage-ride

 

[tihkon2]

Did Prince Harry wear uniform gloves with his uniform at his wedding?

Did you watch the wedding?

 

[Curbside]

US tv ratings are in for the wedding. Nearly 30 million tuned in across US.



Ratings: Royal Wedding Beats William And Kate In 2011 | Deadline

W&K were during the workweek, weren’t they? It’s easier to get up that early on the weekend.

 

[Countessmeout]

My take on it was only Harry and Meghan's immediate families were on the steps, and Lady Jane was representing his mother.

That was my take on it as well, and point I was trying to make. That Charles and Sarah being on the steps was not some snub of the Spencers. Or sign things haven't improved. Simply the 'immediate family' only was on the steps. Jane was included for Diana, since she did the reading. Charles and Sarah not being out there wasn't any more of a snub then Andrew, Anne, Edward, and their spouses not being.

Not true that only Sophie's parents attended. Sophie's brother David attended the wedding and a few other people that were not identified probably because the media didn't know who they were.

Not sure about anyone other then her parents, brother and his wife except one. Actor Thane Bettany was there (not sure if Paul attended). Thane was there not as a celebrity guest, but family. Thane was Sophie's godfather and step-Uncle. His father married Christopher Rhys-Jones' mother the same year that Sophie was born/christened. The family though had known each other for years before.

 

[Curbside]

That is why I watched BBC America! I didn't want to be throwing things at the TV.?
That is really bad--do you remember what channel you were watching/who said it?

I watched a rebroadcast on MSNBC, which is the liberal political cable news channel, and these hard-nosed female political reporters were all gushing over the wedding and covering it like “Meghan Markle, noted feminist, weds some veteran in the U.K.” But they had researched it with the same sort of fervor they would apply to researching some major political story. They really had their stuff together.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

The only thing that annoyed me was the misinformation they kept saying! It's like do your freaking research! There's no reason to say Charles Spencer is married to Sarah McCorkendale etc.


LaRae

I watched BBC coverage of the wedding. I swore off US news coverage of BRF events forever after the coverage of the death and funeral of Diana Princess of Wales.

The giddy , shallow and often breathtakingly uninformed American anchors are just hopeless!

 

[Missy-]

That was my take on it as well, and point I was trying to make. That Charles and Sarah being on the steps was not some snub of the Spencers. Or sign things haven't improved. Simply the 'immediate family' only was on the steps. Jane was included for Diana, since she did the reading. Charles and Sarah not being out there wasn't any more of a snub then Andrew, Anne, Edward, and their spouses not being.

We're getting pretty far afield from the original discussion, which was: 1) that there was nothing symbolic about Jane talking to Camilla (it was presented like some kind of miraculous olive branch in the original post, which it definitely was not imo)

Quote: At one point, quite extroardinary, Camilla even spoke to Lady Jane, what a symbol !

2) that there was some kind of exclusivity to the fact that Jane was there on the steps and that she was part of the 'family they love and respect' with no thought being paid to the myriad other family that are part of H&M's 'happy family' who weren't right there on the steps with them, such as Lady Sarah. Nothing to do with snubbing of anyone.

Quote: That's the FAMILY Harry and Meghan love and respect. That's the BRF now. And despite what some posters, columnists, Richard Kay or Andrew Morton have to say , this family is obviously a happy one.

 

[XeniaCasaraghi]

I will say this once and won't harp on it over and over. I am disappointed Meghan did not have any of her family at her wedding. It is an indicator to me about her relationships but I know I am alone in my opinion. I am still very Happy for Harry and Meghan and greatly support them.

 

[CyrilVladisla]

I did not see a cursey either, but we will be able to check it later when it is uploaded to youtube maybe.

Nice that lady Jane Fellowes escorted the couple to the carriage as well. The Prince of Wales was an absolute delight today.

I like how Prince Charles came forward to escort the bride down the aisle. If he had ridden with Meghan in the car to walk her up the chapel steps and down the aisle, that would have left the Duchess of Cornwall arriving solo at the wedding.

 

[Missy-]

I will say this once and won't harp on it over and over. I am disappointed Meghan did not have any of her family at her wedding. It is an indicator to me about her relationships but I know I am alone in my opinion. I am still very Happy for Harry and Meghan and greatly support them.

No, you're not alone. I find it disturbing that she seems to be alienated from half her family and the other half she doesn't seem to give much thought to or spend any time with (including her father). It's like she and Doria have been locked in their own little exclusive world. But yeah, I don't mention it for obvious reasons.

 

[HRHHermione]

No, you're not alone. I find it disturbing that she seems to be alienated from half her family and the other half she doesn't seem to give much thought to or spend any time with (including her father). It's like she and Doria have been locked in their own little exclusive world. But yeah, I don't mention it for obvious reasons.

Her family have proved over the last several weeks that they’re quite toxic. Meghan made a prudent choice when she chose to distance herself from their behavior.

Not everyone gets lucky enough to be born into a happy or functional family. Those who don’t get that privilege choose the family that matters to them and Meghan has done that for herself. Her mother seems wonderful and she clearly has a lot of lovely and supportive people in her life.

 

[Chloep]

The Court Circular entries for the 2018 and 2011 weddings.

2018

2011

Via The Royal Record Twitter

One was a massive semi-state occasion in London and the other a small-scale private one at Windsor. It is hardly a surprise that this is reflected in the extant of details recorded, imo.

I really don't get people's obsession with who of the extended royal family was invited. 2000 vs 600 invitations and semi-state vs private = I'd imagine the extended family knew that there would need to be cutbacks. If the Queen thought that excluding some extended family members was disrespectful, she would have arranged for a bigger venue. I really think it's as simple as that.

 

[Pranter]

I watched BBC coverage of the wedding. I swore off US news coverage of BRF events forever after the coverage of the death and funeral of Diana Princess of Wales.

The giddy , shallow and often breathtakingly uninformed American anchors are just hopeless!

If I had any other option I would of watched overseas coverage. Unfortunately I was stuck with CBS and Gayle King...although the story she told about Oprah did make me briefly famous on Twitter


LaRae

 

[Missy-]

Her family have proved over the last several weeks that they’re quite toxic. Meghan made a prudent choice when she chose to distance herself from their behavior.

Not everyone gets lucky enough to be born into a happy or functional family. Those who don’t get that privilege choose the family that matters to them and Meghan has done that for herself. Her mother seems wonderful and she clearly has a lot of lovely and supportive people in her life.

Every last one of them? That's the problem I have, NONE of her family other than Doria were invited. What have her nieces done to be called toxic and excluded?

 

[Curbside]

I don't think she is particularly close with her extended family members. Of the ones she has relationships with, there was risk in their parents inserting themselves into the proceedings.

 

[Countessmeout]

I put no stock or little in her relationship/lack of with her family. I actually think it is more telling her relationship with friends.

I'd be more worried about marrying someone who doesn't have many friends. Not much of a strong network built up. Family as many put it, you are stuck with. You are born into them and its not something you have to establish.

Friends on the other hand take work. Having deep friends that you built 20 years ago as a freshman in college and have continued with, tells more to me. Friends can be a thing in passing.

Meghan having deep long term friends says she can commit to others. That she can build relationships with people outside of her family. And that despite distance and time, those relationships can continue. It speaks well for the relationship she is establishing with Harry and his family/friends.

 

[jacqui24]

Ok, I was out of town this weekend, so I'm just catching up on all the news reporting after the wedding. Still haven't caught up on all the threads yet. I've skimmed and commented on some things since the wedding, but did anyone think that's all the opinion I had over the weekend? Just getting around to deciding what are my likes, dislikes, and undecided after I saw it both live and then in cinema. Total different experiences, and I noticed things I didn't while streaming live. I haven't caught up on this thread, and I doubt I ever will because I'm pretty enthralled with her jewels yesterday and rather stare at them, so mod please delete if I touch on topics you guys have asked people to move on from.

Likes:

1. Meghan's whole look. My goodness! The moment she was walking up those stairs and her veil was unveiled (see what I did there? ), I knew I made the right decision when I bought the ticket to see it in theaters the day before. I will talk more about this in the wedding dress thread. Simply breathtaking!
2. The Duke and Duchess of Sussex. I mean, do I need to explain Harry???? The man is utterly in love with his new wife. He was nervous before she got there, but as soon as she walked into with Charles, the nervousness was gone, and it was just such adoration from him for his bride. As for Meghan, I caught a lot of moments between her and Harry was obvious the love between them, but I wanted to talk about the more solemn part. I feel like she was more solemn than Harry. For Harry, it was his wedding to the love of his wife, but he has always belonged to the institution. However, I think for Meghan, it wasn't just her marrying her love, but also her respect for the institution she is marrying into was also quite obvious.
3. Doria. Like with Harry, I don't think I have to explain here. I think had this been a private wedding, tears would've been more free flowing. But she is very well aware of the institution and duty her daughter is marrying into, and in turn, her responsibility in supporting her daughter and act the part despite other things going on is utterly amazing.
4. The walk down the aisle. I thought it was beautiful that Meghan didn't any an adult or never planned to have her father walk her down the Nave. It was just her and the entire look and that's honestly all is needed. And of course, it was sweet to see PoW walking Meghan down the Quire and Harry saying "thank you, Pa"
5. The Jewels!
6. The Mulroney boys. Did they deliver or what?!?!?! I thought about putting them with the rest of the bridesmaids and pageboys, but I thought they deserved their own shout out. One of the twins was so cute with his expression at the beginning of the alter as the trumpets played. And their excitement as they rode in with the stunning bride. How cute was that!!!!! And I'm sure whoever it was will be embarrassed by that photo of him behind Meghan with his missing tooth in about 10 years, but who cares, I thought that was awfully cute.
7. The other page boys and bridesmaids. I loved that they walked into the Chapel with their mothers, and didn't all the mothers and children look great?!?! I thought it was odd at first that Ivy didn't have a floral wreath or bouquet at first, but then I get it, she had another job, holding Auntie Meghan's bouquet for her during the ceremony. I thought Jasper was so cute trying to get the youngest bridesmaid walking at the same pace as he and George. I thought all of them did great! They looked like they were trying their hardest to get the job done and remember what they did at rehearsal!
8. The Mulroneys and the Litts! Jessica got the prime seat, and her and her husband and Benitta Litt and her husband's reaction was captured quite a bit in the background. I loved how happy they were during the vows.
9. The location! Some of you might remember that I wasn't too thrilled with Windsor Castle, but with everything else at the wedding, it turned out to be perfect! This is the backdrop of a fairytale! It honestly touched the 5 year old me that still believed in true love and fairytale. With an exception as there is no damsel in distress needing to be saved. I remember that scene of her and Harry in the carriage after the Horseshoe and before they went through the gate to where the crowd was waiting. It was just the procession and the castle and green lush as backdrop. That's is what we dream of as we dreamed of fairy tales. I don't think I remembered it until I saw this wedding because as adults we've learned certain norms and expectations and how it should be's. And for those who said I wouldn't notice the ugliness of the Ascot Landau, you were absolutely right! Though I did notice the Ascot Landau is positively beautiful on the inside from that photo of the Duke and Duchess kissed in the carriage.
10. The floral arrangements. That was simply amazing. I loved the archways. They matched the grandeur (yes, I'm aware it's small in comparison, but it's still grand by normal standards) of St. George's. It also reflects the bride's style with a main showstopper, and little else.
11. The Music. I know some didn't like the music, but I LOVED it! I thought the rendition of Stand by Me was AMAZING. It was the right amount of uplifting and gentleness of romance. Anymore close to the original, the guests need to join in and clap their hands. I saw this rendition playing as Sky News did a montage of the wedding later, and my goodness, I just turned into a bunch of mush. I heard that the audience were just so into it and clapped for their last song as the bride and groom were outside of the chapel. Ave Maria was amazing. I know a lot of people were excited by it on here when the order of service was announced, I can understand why. I thought the music for the procession down the aisle worked very well with the simplicity with just the bride walking down with the children.
12. Gabriel Macht. He gets a honorary mention because I can't stop drooling over the man in his morning coat. ?
13. Oprah and her thoughtfulness about her dress being too pale. From what I've seen of the reporting, I get the feeling that it's not as big of a deal in UK? But I'm glad she decided that was important enough to call in a big favor to change. It was very considerate of her towards the bride.
14. Zara! My goodness, I wouldn't be surprised if we heard a birth announcement soon. She looked mighty uncomfortable. I hope she got a lot of rest after the wedding breakfast.

Dislikes (I should mention that they aren't equivalent to the same number on my likes, #1 here maybe matched #8):
1. Both Janina and her orange mess.
2. Whoever decided on the wideshot of the bride and groom during the bow and curtsy needs to be sent to the Tower immediately.
3. That Rolls Royce speed. I get that they left late, but boy, I got queasy watching on the big screen at how fast they were going. And I kinda felt bad for those that waited for so long. I felt like they should've had more time to see the bride in the car.

Undecided:
1. The Address. Yea, that was surprising in a Church of England church. I thought he'd be ok if he just left out the part about the fire. He did get a few chuckles and most of his message was good about love. I saw at least two papers that used his quote for the headline that day. One of them being The Times.
2. The bouquet. I hate how small some of the royal bouquets are. It doesn't need to be Diana sized, but some bigger flowers wouldn't have hurt. But it included jasmine, my favorite flower! I always have preferred the scent of jasmine to lily, but IIRC, lillies were in her bouquet too. So it likely smelt magnificent.

Overall, I LOVED the wedding and thought it all just came together perfect. Like I said earlier, I felt like it was truly a fairy tale wedding as the 5 year old me imagined it. Thinking back, it was never the dignitaries or the grand scale of the wedding (although at 600, still grand for those that weren't born into royalty) that made the fairy tale. It was always the love and romance that was the fairytale. Having the wedding at Windsor always meant it was going to be smaller scale than Londn, but what was lost in scale was certainly made up in charm and romance.

 

[Chloep]

I don't think she is particularly close with her extended family members. Of the ones she has relationships with, there was risk in their parents inserting themselves into the proceedings.

Also, it must be considered when the invitations were sent out. They and their advisers needed to realistically asses which family member would for sure not do something until the wedding that would warrant uninviting them. Practically every member of the Markle side actively sought out media representation in one way or the other. How could she have invited any nieces/nephew's when their parents were the worst of them all? and even now - several of those cousins and nieces flew to the UK to be interviewed on the big day and were willing to sell her out in a hot second(when they were not busy selling marijuana named after her...).

And while her maternal side of the family did not attempt to create controversy to cash in, several of them did sell private family photos and talked to the press in detail. A big no-no for the RBF. As unfortunate as it is, Meghan had no siblings to grow up with(her half-'siblings' had 20 years on her), the relationship with the Markle side was very strained and toxic and her mother and thus by proxy Meghan herself, were routinely put down and rejected by that family (there is a reason why there was no relationship to speak of LONG before Meghan even met Harry). Unfortunately there is not much known about the recent relationship with Doria's family, other then the fact that they are clearly not opposed to invading Meghan's privacy for quick cash.

As sad as it is, sometimes the only person you can truly rely on and trust is just your mother. That doesn't qualify YOU as a person, it just means that you learned to make the best of a dysfunctional and toxic background and learned to surround yourself with people who love and support you instead. I say, hats off to Meghan because she did a wonderful job at that as none of her actual close friends sold her out and seemingly lent their wholehearted support to the bride & groom on their big day.


btw, The thing I was repeatedly reminded of this week was Harry's quip about Meghan never truly knowing what a close-knit and loving family can be and how even people on this board thought that it was a very preposterous and cold thing to say. Alas, no it really wasn't, it was just the truth. May she find a great deal of happiness and stability in her new family, as they have embraced her most graciously and lovingly it seems.

 

[Pranter]

Lovely moment when Harry is looking at Meghan (they are sitting) and she's looking forward at whatever is going on (I forget) and he's rubbing her hand with his finger. It was so sweet.

They have been together almost 2 years and they are still like giggly teens...and you can tell he's still head over heels for her...and she looks equally so. Very heartwarming.

Loved it when he tells her she looks amazing (after Charles moves to his seat). Loved that he told the designer after how wonderful Meghan looked.

She got some lovely and outstanding jewelry...so glad she was given the aquamarine set.


LaRae

 

[jacqui24]

One more thing I forgot to mention in my mega post above is that I looked through a lot of headlines for this wedding. Overall, I didn't see anything I didn't like, but there was one I really liked. It came from the Washington Post, and it read "A Beautiful Gown, an Unforgettable Woman". I believe New York Times ran a similar headline as well, but I saw it from Washington Post first. I think it's important to mention this. While it's great that we are so interested in the wedding, the dress, the veil, the jewels, and the guest, and everything else, it's easy to forget the two people. This ultimately is a union of two people very much in love and share passions for making a difference in the world.

 

[Missy-]

...As sad as it is, sometimes the only person you can truly rely on and trust is just your mother. That doesn't qualify YOU as a person, it just means that you learned to make the best of a dysfunctional and toxic background and learned to surround yourself with people who love and support you instead. I say, hats off to Meghan because she did a wonderful job at that as none of her actual close friends sold her out and seemingly lent their wholehearted support to the bride & groom on their big day...

We all make choices in how much effort we put into building/maintaining family relationships. I don't think it's healthy to isolate yourself and your child from the outside world in your own little cocoon, it doesn't bode well for said child's coping skills when faced with tough relationship issues in the future. I leave it at that.

 

[Zaira]

Lovely moment when Harry is looking at Meghan (they are sitting) and she's looking forward at whatever is going on (I forget) and he's rubbing her hand with his finger. It was so sweet.

They have been together almost 2 years and they are still like giggly teens...and you can tell he's still head over heels for her...and she looks equally so. Very heartwarming.

Loved it when he tells her she looks amazing (after Charles moves to his seat). Loved that he told the designer after how wonderful Meghan looked.

She got some lovely and outstanding jewelry...so glad she was given the aquamarine set.


LaRae

Harry was just so I love seeing him just so absolutely thrilled! We all knew Harry would be outwardly emotional with his wife, but I am honestly surprised by just how much he really let fly his whole heart and its orientation toward his lovely Duchess.

I am SO HAPPY to see the Aquamarine again! I am excited to see what else Meghan digs out of the vaults. It was great to see her in such "big" pieces yesterday. I know she favors smaller things, but she can really pull off the big guns too.

Aw, I am going to go and re-watch parts for the 100th time ??

 

[jacqui24]

We all make choices in how much effort we put into building/maintaining family relationships. I don't think it's healthy to isolate yourself and your child from the outside world in your own little cocoon, it doesn't bode well for said child's coping skills when faced with tough relationship issues in the future. I leave it at that.

I don't think Meghan is isolated as she clearly has substantial relationships outside of her mother. I don't think any of us would say that when you've been close friends for more almost 15 years that you've never had to work through tough conflicts. Sometimes that's more common than with extended family. And you do get closer if you fight right. It might just simply be that she's not close to extended family.

 

[jacqui24]

BTW, can someone tell me why the guests laughed after Harry said "I will"? Did something happen that we didn't see?

 

[royal rob]

Wedding of Harry and Meghan: Church Service, Carriage Procession and Reception

BTW, can someone tell me why the guests laughed after Harry said "I will"? Did something happen that we didn't see?

They could hear the crowd outside cheering
It happened at Will and Kate’s wedding too

 

[Chloep]

BTW, can someone tell me why the guests laughed after Harry said "I will"? Did something happen that we didn't see?

I thought it was because he didn't wait to be asked to say 'I will', but then Meghan didn't wait either. So I am not sure whether she just went along with Harry as to not put him on a spot or whether there was something we didn't see/ hear, maybe the crowd cheering?. haha It was in good spirits though, so I found it lovely.

 

[Curbside]

We all make choices in how much effort we put into building/maintaining family relationships. I don't think it's healthy to isolate yourself and your child from the outside world in your own little cocoon, it doesn't bode well for said child's coping skills when faced with tough relationship issues in the future. I leave it at that.

Meghan's half sister would people Doria was the maid. The half sister has been publicly trash talking Meghan for years. And her step-mother too, apparently. Why on earth would M invite her or anyone else in her circle?

When you come from a toxic family, sometimes you have to cut ties for the sake of your own sanity. M has a network of close friends whom she trusts. I think that's more than enough.