So Harry thinks that the Americans have titles as part of their names, as German nobles do?
In the UK, titles of nobility are part of a person’s name and identity according to the guidance From the British government that I linked before.
So Harry thinks that the Americans have titles as part of their names, as German nobles do?
They're both vaccinated so couldn't they see each other?
They're both vaccinated so couldn't they see each other?
harry is living in hte US. Why he is using his title is a mystery, much less why he's using it as his name.In the UK, titles of nobility are part of a person’s name and identity according to the guidance From the British government that I linked before.
He is living in the US, which does not recognise titles.. and he was being asked to give his name and surname for his daughter's birth cert. Yet it seems as if he wouldn't or didn't give his name and surname?Harry still has the title and he is a citizen of the UK.
Harry still has the title and he is a citizen of the UK.
He does, that's not in question. Some of us are just baffled that he would give his name as "Duke of Sussex HRH" on a US birth certificate and not even something like "Henry Duke of Sussex" let alone Mountbatten-Windsor which some of his titled relatives have used on their own marriage certificates in the UK.
He has four personal names and didn't include any of them. His choice but it seems a baffling one.
As of father's day 2016 Meghan posted a gushing tribute to him on The Tig which was either just before or just after she met Harry. So it seems that even though they may not have seen each other much she was still close to him, or at least wanted her readers to think that.
I don't see why she wouldn't have wanted to introduce him to Harry before the engagement. He seemed fine up until a few weeks before the wedding. Of course that might have had something to do with her siblings rather than him. But it does seem odd that he was going to be meeting Harry literally at the wedding. They were flying around the world to meet each other without the press being there, surely they could have sneaked into Mexico and gone over the details of everything?
At this point it's all water under the bridge. He doesn't seem very well at all but he's not helping by going these interviews any more than they are.
BTW, does anyone else remember the Sussex spokesperson claiming that it was the RF who changed Archie's certificate from Rachel Meghan to HRH The Duchess of Sussex? There was even the claim that she wouldn't want to be erased from her child's birth certificate, although I don't remember who made it, the spokesperson or a friend.
Now, they claim HRH The Duke of Sussex is Harry's legal name. And there is no doubt they filled it out so. To me, that means that they were the ones who changed Archie's certificate as well.
I thought that was weird too. Even if she has issues with the Markle side, what about the Ragland family? She invited celebs she didn't know.To me, the most noteworthy, albeit jarring, image from the Sussex wedding was the absolute absence of all family from the bride’s side except for her mother. There was no one at all! I understand the situation with her father, and the rancor with Samantha, but what about Doria’s relations, of whom she has expressed warm memories? What about the uncle who secured her that early plum job in the foreign service? What had he done to deserve rebuke? In light of the title of her recent book, I must say that The Bench at her wedding was brutally devoid of any ties to her own ordinary, mixed-race family. Meghan filled her “bench” with glitterati. The optics of that glaring omission is more searing in my mind than all the flowers, the gown, or the fabulous tiara. It spoke volumes about the bride’s character.
Since the only certificate we know was changed was Archie's, are we to suppose that the BRF decided that Meghan was so more Duchess than Catherine that her son's certificate should have reflected her title while Catherine's name remained on all her children's certificates of birth? Including the future king's...Or Harry learned it from the Brits, did in the same way in the US and no probably has to learn each country does it's own way for a birth certificate. Maybe he thought he would have to send it to the UK (or the British consulate in LA?) so they could register her there as well? And so they tried to make it okay fro both countries? AFAIK in the Uk once married, the father counts on the brith certificate. In the US, maybe it's the mother there?
I felt rather sorry for Doria. It's always a bit awkward to be sat on your own, but to be sat on your own in St George's Chapel, Windsor, with hundreds of people there and TV cameras on you, must have been very odd indeed. Surely they could have asked someone, a friend if not a relative, to accompany her.
Or Harry learned it from the Brits, did in the same way in the US and no probably has to learn each country does it's own way for a birth certificate. Maybe he thought he would have to send it to the UK (or the British consulate in LA?) so they could register her there as well? And so they tried to make it okay fro both countries? AFAIK in the Uk once married, the father counts on the brith certificate. In the US, maybe it's the mother there?
Since the only certificate we know was changed was Archie's, are we to suppose that the BRF decided that Meghan was so more Duchess than Catherine that her son's certificate should have reflected her title while Catherine's name remained on all her children's certificates of birth? Including the future king's...
The mother of the future King is listed with her name but the BP decided that the mother of the seventh in line should be listed with her title alone? I find this hard to believe.
I’d forgotten all about Archie’s birth certificate being changed.
Good point about how Catherine’s name is on her children’s birth certificates. And one is a future king.
It certainly seems logical to me that the Sussexes changed Archie’s birth certificate because it was indeed what they wanted. For whatever reason.
I must have too much time on my hands and it turns out it’s true that while Charles put HIS name on the boys birth certificates Diana just had HRH The Princess of Wales. Maybe they wanted to replicate that on Archie’s?
Then they flipped it on Lili’s American birth certificate. Where Meghan puts her legal maiden name. And Harry just puts styles and titles. Americans don’t legally recognize them, but anyway….
I truly believe that no matter what they were given they would never have been happy because what they wanted was to use their titles to make money, do a bit of royal work, STILL draw money from the taxpayer and from Charles.. and generally do what they liked.. with no-one ever arguing with them.
I honestly thought that the queen looked very tired at the wedding, and perhaps she was beginning to realise that this was the case with them.. that they were always asking for something more.
It does seem a strange thing to want to emulate Diana in, but you never know. There was also the speculation that it was extra insurance against the Sussex titles being revoked. "You can't it's his mother's name on his birth certificate with nothing else". I don't know how likely that is either. But Harry is once again proving that he does care about it a lot.
I get that Meghan's birth name is very straightforward and Harry's isn't but it still seems ridiculous because DOS HRH isn't even how his name OR titles/styles are in the UK.
of course it matters. If they were going to the US, and planning to live there, in a republic why the whole thing about Archie's having HRH? Why is her title Duchess of Sussex on the front of her book?I think both care about titles and styles a lot. Meghan said she didn’t really care about all the trappings of royalty. But- when she opts to rattle on about Archie’s future princely status, it’s perfectly clear those things do matter IMO. If you don’t care, you don’t talk about it.
Their website and passive aggressive comments about the use of Sussexroyal, HRH after the HIHO plan got rejected also drove that home. It was their website/comments. It seems fairly logical that it reflected their shared views. I certainly don’t think they’re blind to the fact that their royal ties are their big selling point.
It is interesting in light of all the bashing of the royal institution itself, family etc how much those things that symbolize all that they ran away from do matter.
Families are complicated. Which is sometimes why people are close to the family they create instead of the ones they were born to.
I cant imagine that that's going to be allowed to stand as a name? Surely the birth reg authoriites are going to say how can this man be called Duke of Sussex, HRH?
of course it matters. If they were going to the US, and planning to live there, in a republic why the whole thing about Archie's having HRH?
Because of the unequal treatment of Archie compared to his cousins.