The Duke & Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 5: June-July 2021


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She had colleagues on the set, and there would be a director and producer of the show, and technicians on the show. And if there are "temperamental" actors and actresses, this somehow gets out.

She was not high powered enough to get away with difficult behaviour.. when she was on Suits.
 
She was new, she should have been supervised and worked with, perhaps a courtier or lady in waiting. And it should not have gotten to a point where something was "witnessed." Harry's "begging" was reported by the media whether it actually amounted to "begging" was subject to speculation. No, I used the word "someone" for that reason, and it was not directed at Knauf specifically. If anything, this case should give royals future guidance for new married ins working with staff.

As for Katie Nicholl being a source, she has been very negative about Meghan before this happened. I would not say she is objective. IF the Queen spoke to Meghan she would not have just walked by and said this is not the way...she would or should have met with Meghan on a one on one basis.


However the BRF did provide her with experienced staff to assist her: ie: Samantha Cohen, Jason Knauf, Amy Pickerall, Melissa Toubati, and Katrina McKeever. They were there to help and guide her from early on. Also as far as I know, the practice of using a "lady-in-waiting" has largely been replaced by "personal assistants" for the BRF ladies. Meghan was typically accompanied by those assistants on events.
 
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She was not high powered enough to get away with difficult behavior.. when she was on Suits.

That is kind of the point. Meghan has been in the business for quite a long time. People talk. Crew talk. Productions team. Actors talk. Wardrobe talks. You get the point. Meghan didn't become "a lost cause" "a sociopath" and all the other things she was described as overnight. Sorry just doesn't happen. People leave trails.

I am far from saying Meghan has never been unpleasant. I will say that people questions these allegations because it seems odd that all this allegedly started the moment she joined the family. That in addition to everything else regarding her and we have yet to see any other info.

So it is what it is. We shall see how it all plays out.
 
I think the current investigation into how the BRF should handle these types of issues going forward will likely be very helpful too. But I think- assuming this is accurate- William did what he thought (understandably IMO) necessary, and I think it’s likely the best he could do.

A reason why I take Jason Knauf’s email seriously is for those reasons. IMO- it almost had to be a difficult decision to make. That’s not an email anyone wants to write. Certainly not regarding someone he’d worked closely with and had apparently gotten along with. It likely took quite some time to compose. That’s not something you just fire off. And he referenced numerous complaints- ie it wasn’t him writing the email formalizing his concerns after a one- off. It was over time and repeated apparent issues. He seemed to feel he had a duty to formalize his concerns.

Well William DID break up the joint household, not because he didn't get on iwth his brother but because he was concerned about staff.
As for "hearsay" unless the RF are followed literally by reporters all the time or unless people on the Forum follwo them around all the time, most of what's reported is "Hearsay".

Perhaps I've not had enough coffee yet today and I'm seeing things but something stands out for me and I thought I'd relay it well... just because I can.

Many more allegations have hit the public domain especially with the reports that are coming from Lacey about the "battle of the brothers" and we're all analyzing and dissecting and pinpointing things that we've read and yet so many people are using words like "hearsay" and the investigation itself has been delayed.

Anyone besides me see something dangling between the lines here? This is all hitting the proverbial fan as Harry goes into isolation in the UK to attend the unveiling of the Diana statue with his brother. One thing I know, these reports are not going to foster good will between them. Is the media fanning the fire in hopes of an explosion? I can't speak for anyone else but if I was in the business and a professional journalist, I think I would have sat on these stories until *after* the statue was unveiled and Harry was back home again in California in hopes that the brothers could work things out for themselves once they met face to face again.

These snippets and reports are not helping matter whatsoever. The more I read, the more I really wish all these "feud issues" had been kept internal and out of the public domain. It's almost like "The War of the Wales: War Two" and we're invited to take sides.

Disgusting is the only word that comes to mind.
 
That is kind of the point. Meghan has been in the business for quite a long time. People talk. Crew talk. Productions team. Actors talk. Wardrobe talks. You get the point. Meghan didn't become "a lost cause" "a sociopath" and all the other things she was described as overnight. Sorry just doesn't happen. People leave trails.

I am far from saying Meghan has never been unpleasant. I will say that people questions these allegations because it seems odd that all this allegedly started the moment she joined the family. That in addition to everything else regarding her and we have yet to see any other info.

So it is what it is. We shall see how it all plays out.

She would never have been able to get away with "difficult" behavoiur on the set of Suits NOR the other acting jobs she had. She was too low ranking. She would know that. But its quite possible that having waited for many years to get to "the top", and finding herself in a strange environment that she wasn 't used to, she became difficult. I think that Harry's enabled her to be demanding..
 
There has been 6 articles in the Times relating to Robert Lacey's updated book. :eek: :ohmy: :ermm:

From the oldest to newest, the first article reported on Robert Lacey, experts and insideres claim that "Charles has no power to stop Archie becoming a prince — or his sister Lilibet a princess — when the Queen dies". Lacey later added that Archie and Lili will have a choice to be called HRH Prince/Princess at age 18 similar to Lady Louise Mountbatten-Windsor and Viscount Severn.

Battle of Brothers book extract: Archie can wait until 18 to choose if he’ll be prince
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ntil-18-to-choose-if-hell-be-prince-j5z25flr2
Archived link: https://archive.ph/iM50L#selection-917.41-917.151

The second article is about Robert Lacey's claim that Meghan walked out of an engagement at a market in Fiji due to a "feud" or argument with UN Women.

Meghan walked out of Fiji engagement over feud with UN Women, says Robert Lacey book
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ith-un-women-says-robert-lacey-book-wns93zw9m
Archived link: https://archive.ph/ww9u0#selection-737.0-737.84

The third article is an extract Robert Lacey's updated book, focusing on the relationship between Charles and Sussexes and Archie's title. It's similar to the first article, except it's coming straight from Lacey's mouth.

What went wrong between Prince Charles and Prince Harry
In his new book, Battle of Brothers, Robert Lacey unpicks the Sussexes’ Oprah interview — and says Meghan was right to cry foul when she discovered her father-in-law might not make Archie a prince
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ce-harry-battle-of-brothers-extract-2n8j8bmbp
Archived link: https://archive.ph/TVs0Q

The fourth article is another extract from Robert Lacey's updated book. More specifically, it focuses on the diamond earrings controversies. This is third one of the four book extract released on The Times.

Meghan’s diamond earrings: the ugly truth about her wedding gift
Historian Robert Lacey examines what led to the Duchess of Sussex’s inappropriate choice of jewellery after the murder of Jamal Khashoggi
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...e-ugly-truth-about-her-wedding-gift-8vhtwshtz
Archived link: https://archive.ph/2021.06.21-23185...wedding-gift-8vhtwshtz#selection-739.0-739.64

The fifth article is again the (fourth and final) book extract, which is on Prince Philip's funeral. The first two paragraphs were on Prince Philip's admission to hospital

How anger at Harry and Meghan ran deep at Prince Philip’s funeral
Despite outward appearances of reconciliation, ill feeling still pervaded the Duke of Edinburgh’s funeral, writes historian Robert Lacey
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...-ran-deep-at-prince-philips-funeral-t3sxnzzwc
Archived link: https://archive.ph/pLMgM#selection-739.0-739.65

The sixth article is written by Valentine Low releasing Robert Lacey's claim that The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge fear that conversation with the Duke of Sussex will be leaked out.

William and Kate feared private talks with Harry would be leaked
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...te-talks-with-harry-would-be-leaked-ndrmb3klz
Archived link: https://archive.ph/OPp0w#selection-737.0-737.64

As mentioned earlier, there may be some overlap between these Times articles. Some of the book extract showed Lacey being sympathetic to the Sussexes. I do wonder if there is a huge promotion deal between Lacey and The Times.

Regarding Archie being able to choose to be a prince at age 18, isn't it true that if Charles writes letters patent where he is not a prince that he won't be able to make that choice.
 
Perhaps I've not had enough coffee yet today and I'm seeing things but something stands out for me and I thought I'd relay it well... just because I can.

Many more allegations have hit the public domain especially with the reports that are coming from Lacey about the "battle of the brothers" and we're all analyzing and dissecting and pinpointing things that we've read and yet so many people are using words like "hearsay" and the investigation itself has been delayed.

Anyone besides me see something dangling between the lines here? This is all hitting the proverbial fan as Harry goes into isolation in the UK to attend the unveiling of the Diana statue with his brother. One thing I know, these reports are not going to foster good will between them. Is the media fanning the fire in hopes of an explosion? I can't speak for anyone else but if I was in the business and a professional journalist, I think I would have sat on these stories until *after* the statue was unveiled and Harry was back home again in California in hopes that the brothers could work things out for themselves once they met face to face again.

These snippets and reports are not helping matter whatsoever. The more I read, the more I really wish all these "feud issues" had been kept internal and out of the public domain. It's almost like "The War of the Wales: War Two" and we're invited to take sides.

Disgusting is the only word that comes to mind.

The Palace has been keeping them internal for a long time. It was hushed up! When some of the bullied staff left KP issued denials that they were leaving because of bullying.

The alleged reason for the split wasn't made public at the time, indeed the Sussexes said it was because they had different aims and goals to the Cambridges and were allowed to put their own spin on it.

Obviously there was someone leaking to the press but the fact that it's taken 3 years for their to be a review into how BP/KP handled everything shows that they weren't wanting to make it public.

And the thing is, it isn't just a family matter, it's an "Firm" matter. How "principals" treat their staff can have far reaching consequences (just look at Lux) and it doesn't sound like a situation that could have been settled by having everyone in the room with a mediator present.

As for the boys coming to blows? I very, very much doubt it. Tension might be high but they probably would have been anyway given that this stuff wouldn't have gone away for them personally. We just wouldn't know about it.
 
Regarding Archie being able to choose to be a prince at age 18, isn't it true that if Charles writes letters patent where he is not a prince that he won't be able to make that choice.

I think that comes from Sophie's interview a few months ago where she claimed that Louise and James could make that choice at 18 which was news to all of us!

But that's because no new LPs were issued. If Charles issued no new LPs but agreed with H&M that Archie and Lili would "enjoy the style of the children of a Duke" that might be the case as well. But I think he'll have to issue LPs for his decisions.
 
The Palace has been keeping them internal for a long time. It was hushed up! When some of the bullied staff left KP issued denials that they were leaving because of bullying.

The alleged reason for the split wasn't made public at the time, indeed the Sussexes said it was because they had different aims and goals to the Cambridges and were allowed to put their own spin on it.

Obviously there was someone leaking to the press but the fact that it's taken 3 years for their to be a review into how BP/KP handled everything shows that they weren't wanting to make it public.

And the thing is, it isn't just a family matter, it's an "Firm" matter. How "principals" treat their staff can have far reaching consequences (just look at Lux) and it doesn't sound like a situation that could have been settled by having everyone in the room with a mediator present.

As for the boys coming to blows? I very, very much doubt it. Tension might be high but they probably would have been anyway given that this stuff wouldn't have gone away for them personally. We just wouldn't know about it.

well I dont think the media are angels but they are there to write the news, not to patch up Will and harry. ANd I dont know if they are likely to be good friends for a long time. I am sure that they'll put on a face for the unveiling.. I'm sure they love their mother enough to do that. Its up to both of them.
 
She would never have been able to get away with "difficult" behavoiur on the set of Suits NOR the other acting jobs she had. She was too low ranking. She would know that. But its quite possible that having waited for many years to get to "the top", and finding herself in a strange environment that she wasn 't used to, she became difficult. I think that Harry's enabled her to be demanding..

She was part of an ensemble cast for 8 years. If you going to claim someone is a sociopath then they have been one most their lives and others will have seen that behavior. Sorry but not everyone is "on top" but usually once they have reached it and allegations start, the tickle effect for sure comes. If she is so horrible then people would have zero issues calling her out. We literally see this all the time with high profile people. Meghan is no different. In fact with her profile I would expect it more.

So yeah I am not surprised that people are looking at it sideways and I don't even mean fans. I mean news anchors reporting it but also being very skeptical on air. That is how it is viewed in a lot of the media here. Which is why some of the UK media was frustrated by the lack of coverage or response of the news.

And that generally will likely stay the mood until something more concrete is presented -- one way or the other.
 
She would never have been able to get away with "difficult" behavoiur on the set of Suits NOR the other acting jobs she had. She was too low ranking. She would know that. But its quite possible that having waited for many years to get to "the top", and finding herself in a strange environment that she wasn 't used to, she became difficult. I think that Harry's enabled her to be demanding..

I agree that her change in position probably did go to her head but this statement from someone linked to her early days in Suits (i.e., during her first marriage) shows that this tendency might have been there for a long time. It seems to describe the behavior we have been seeing over the last 2 years: you are either for her supporting her in each and everything and never criticizing - or you are the enemy:

He quotes a Los Angeles screenwriter who is close to associates of Meghan at the time of her first marriage as saying: “Meghan does not cope well with what she perceives as rejection. She’s nice and smiley as can be until you step in her way or don’t give her what she hopes for. Then she can be remorseless – heaven help you!”
 
I can't imagine why anyone who is not good at dealing with rejection would go into acting, of all things. That seems like a recipe for disaster to me...
 
That is kind of the point. Meghan has been in the business for quite a long time. People talk. Crew talk. Productions team. Actors talk. Wardrobe talks. You get the point. Meghan didn't become "a lost cause" "a sociopath" and all the other things she was described as overnight. Sorry just doesn't happen. People leave trails.



I am far from saying Meghan has never been unpleasant. I will say that people questions these allegations because it seems odd that all this allegedly started the moment she joined the family. That in addition to everything else regarding her and we have yet to see any other info.



So it is what it is. We shall see how it all plays out.



I think it’s a possibility that (if true) multiple factors could have come into play and created a perfect storm: being in a position of much greater power for the first time. (But perhaps also less than she’d thought at the same time.)

Being in a new and unfamiliar environment. She had a lot of changes in a very short period of time. She seems to have hated the UK. So, being unhappy in general could have factored in. Possibly being told she couldn’t do things x way because that‘s not the BRF way. Harry may not have guided her properly either. I can think of a lot of things that could have just led to a lousy situation. Control seems to be very important to the Sussexes, and there were plenty of things they couldn’t control at this time.

But- we’ll see. I have trouble getting around the fact that someone who had been a close obviously trusted advisor of hers was clearly concerned enough to write a formal email on the subject of her behavior. And, IIRC, he specifically said Samantha shared his concerns. So, it wasn’t just him. And- I don’t believe he’d specifically name another person in a situation like this if he didn’t think they’d back him up.

Now whether this is true or not- Lacey says JK had a “dossier” compiled that William had access to. Whatever exactly that included.

I agree that her change in position probably did go to her head but this statement from someone linked to her early days in Suits (i.e., during her first marriage) shows that this tendency might have been there for a long time. It seems to describe the behavior we have been seeing over the last 2 years: you are either for her supporting her in each and everything and never criticizing - or you are the enemy:



Yeah. I think that’s notable too. It’s been my impression that Meghan may well equate support with agreeing with her. And if not- it’s a problem.
 
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Regarding Knauf's or anyone else's impartiality, I'm just gonna throw this out here: If someone is so difficult to work for that every single person who's ever worked for them despises them, then no one who's ever worked for them is going to be impartial. If it's not possible to find someone who's both impartial and personally familiar with their behavior as a supervisor, that shouldn't be taken as an indicator that there's not a problem. I can believe there were maybe a few people who were biased against her because she was black or American or extremely politically liberal, but I don't believe this many people all hate her for no good reason. It's not like it's just the staff. She's managed to completely alienate most (maybe all) of Harry's family. They can't all be horrible racists.

As for the UN Women thing, I wish we'd been given more context. What was the UN Women "branding," and why was it there? But Meghan's never been shy about publicly airing even the pettiest of grievances, so if she had a non-petty reason to want nothing to do with them (say, concerns about the handling of funds, or even an ideological disagreement with some of their positions), I expect we'd have heard about it by now. Such an issue would certainly be more worthy of public discussion than things like who made whom cry over flower girl dresses. This is why the rest of the family has stuck with "Never complain, never explain" for so long.
 
Yeah. I think that’s notable too. It’s been my impression that Meghan may well equate support with agreeing with her. And if not- it’s a problem.

I think that came out in the Oprah interview as well. Especially the bit with Kate the way she phrased it.

A few days before the wedding, she was upset about something pertaining—yes, the issue was correct about flower girl dresses, and it made me cry and it really hurt my feelings, and I thought in the context of everything else that was going on in those days leading to the wedding that it didn’t make sense to not be just doing what everyone else was doing, which was try to be supportive, knowing what was going on with my dad and whatnot.

I think that shows that she thinks "being supportive" means "agreeing with her".

I do think she was under a lot of stress herself that year what with...everything. And this might have been part of a terrible way of trying to gain control where she felt she had none. Although that wouldn't excuse it.

But even with her friends saying "that person was fired for misconduct! I have receipts" or "they weren't good enough" doesn't sound like someone who is sorry if her attitude wasn't the best because she was in a terrible place.

I don't know whether the new details Lacey has provided are true but we know JK wrote an email to Simon Case and we know that several staff left on short order, we know that they did split their offices and we know that the Sussexes have lost a lot of staff in the last 18 months.

I know the RR have their own agendas and are a contentious topic IRT the Sussexes sometimes but none of them are exactly at pains to contradict any of this from their sources.

Regarding Knauf's or anyone else's impartiality, I'm just gonna throw this out here: If someone is so difficult to work for that every single person who's ever worked for them despises them, then no one who's ever worked for them is going to be impartial. If it's not possible to find someone who's both impartial and personally familiar with their behavior as a supervisor, that shouldn't be taken as an indicator that there's not a problem. I can believe there were maybe a few people who were biased against her because she was black or American or extremely politically liberal, but I don't believe this many people all hate her for no good reason. It's not like it's just the staff. She's managed to completely alienate most (maybe all) of Harry's family. They can't all be horrible racists.

As for the UN Women thing, I wish we'd been given more context. What was the UN Women "branding," and why was it there? But Meghan's never been shy about publicly airing even the pettiest of grievances, so if she had a non-petty reason to want nothing to do with them (say, concerns about the handling of funds, or even an ideological disagreement with some of their positions), I expect we'd have heard about it by now. Such an issue would certainly be more worthy of public discussion than things like who made whom cry over flower girl dresses. This is why the rest of the family has stuck with "Never complain, never explain" for so long.

The UN "branding" was there because the market was being run by the UN Women as a force for change. It does seem an incredibly petty thing to get so annoyed by that you leave the market but all the other reasons tabloids have put forward are also petty.

I think if she had an ideological reason for leaving we'd have heard it long before now.

As far as impartial people go? I suspect that's why a 3rd party law firm were engaged for the review into what happened. So they can sort through it without emotion and report back on what happened and how to stop it happening in the future.

I don't know Mr Knauf's politics or personality but as a gay Texan who lived in NZ and was poached from RBS I wouldn't assume he was small minded and overly sensitive about Meghan joining the family and he went from a supporter to someone who became almost an official whistle-blower on her so whilst that's not impartial he's not someone who had an axe to grind the second he met her.
 
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The Duke & Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 5: June 2021-

Regarding Knauf's or anyone else's impartiality, I'm just gonna throw this out here: If someone is so difficult to work for that every single person who's ever worked for them despises them, then no one who's ever worked for them is going to be impartial. If it's not possible to find someone who's both impartial and personally familiar with their behavior as a supervisor, that shouldn't be taken as an indicator that there's not a problem. I can believe there were maybe a few people who were biased against her because she was black or American or extremely politically liberal, but I don't believe this many people all hate her for no good reason. It's not like it's just the staff. She's managed to completely alienate most (maybe all) of Harry's family. They can't all be horrible racists

As for the UN Women thing, I wish we'd been given more context. What was the UN Women "branding," and why was it there? But Meghan's never been shy about publicly airing even the pettiest of grievances, so if she had a non-petty reason to want nothing to do with them (say, concerns about the handling of funds, or even an ideological disagreement with some of their positions), I expect we'd have heard about it by now. Such an issue would certainly be more worthy of public discussion than things like who made whom cry over flower girl dresses. This is why the rest of the family has stuck with "Never complain, never explain" for so long.



It would seem she possibly managed to alienate a fair number of people. I’m having a hard time buying everyone else was the problem. If it was one or two people, that’s one thing, but this seems to have been a problem with more than a couple of people. And- as you said, ultimately including family members.

I believe the UN Women were sponsoring the event. So, they advertised themselves. Lacey went into a fair amount of detail about the UN issue.

Apparently they both ultimately stopped referencing each other on their websites after she got a lesser role in the org- back when she was relatively unknown. She gave a big successful speech- and apparently thought she deserved a better role. (I’m not sure it was made clear how he got to that specific conclusion though- that she thought she deserved more than she got.) I think- she removed their info and they did likewise or something like that. I guess those screenshots may exist.

And- supposedly- she’d told staff she didn’t want to see their branding at the event. Which I guess is why he thinks she both left abruptly and snapped at an aide. I think he basically doesn’t buy the official explanation as to why she left abruptly. It all seems petty to me- but an awful lot of this mess is petty to me. This is just one more example.
 
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I think that comes from Sophie's interview a few months ago where she claimed that Louise and James could make that choice at 18 which was news to all of us!

But that's because no new LPs were issued. If Charles issued no new LPs but agreed with H&M that Archie and Lili would "enjoy the style of the children of a Duke" that might be the case as well. But I think he'll have to issue LPs for his decisions.

That makes sense. Thank you.
 
I can't imagine why anyone who is not good at dealing with rejection would go into acting, of all things. That seems like a recipe for disaster to me...

I think its odd too. Perhaps she stored up a lot of resentment at all the times she didn't get a job, or got a bad review or the like.. but back then she had to bite her lip and put up with it.
And I DO think that she thought that being a Princess would mean "No bad press".. and that may have been an attraction for her. But she found that it wasn't the case, that the press can be pretty horrible... and she flared up.
 
I think its odd too. Perhaps she stored up a lot of resentment at all the times she didn't get a job, or got a bad review or the like.. but back then she had to bite her lip and put up with it.
And I DO think that she thought that being a Princess would mean "No bad press".. and that may have been an attraction for her. But she found that it wasn't the case, that the press can be pretty horrible... and she flared up.

This, I can easily believe. Diana got some negative press in the UK towards the end of her life, but never really got any in the US. Once she and Charles officially separated and stopped complaining to reporters about each other, the media here pretty much stopped talking about either of them until her death, at which point it was non-stop "St. Diana" coverage for weeks or months. Meghan would have been about 15 at that time, and there's no way she wouldn't have been aware of it. If that was her first real introduction to the royals, I can see how she'd have concluded that princesses never got any bad press. You'd think Harry would have set her straight on that, since he'd certainly know better, but apparently either he didn't or she didn't believe him.
 
This, I can easily believe. Diana got some negative press in the UK towards the end of her life, but never really got any in the US. Once she and Charles officially separated and stopped complaining to reporters about each other, the media here pretty much stopped talking about either of them until her death, at which point it was non-stop "St. Diana" coverage for weeks or months. Meghan would have been about 15 at that time, and there's no way she wouldn't have been aware of it. If that was her first real introduction to the royals, I can see how she'd have concluded that princesses never got any bad press. You'd think Harry would have set her straight on that, since he'd certainly know better, but apparently either he didn't or she didn't believe him.

I dont think it had to be about Diana, I think that generally speaking she really didn't know anything much about the RF, or the UK, and I think she thought that a monarchy was a much more glamourous affair than it really is...
I'd say she thought that most people in the UK liked if not loved the RF.. and so as a member of the family she too would get good press. And she found that the tabloids are pretty horrible, that she got some prejudice because of her Americanness and her racial origins... and that the public were reasonably wiling to like her but there wasn't the big groundswell of admiration that she had expected.
With Harry, i wonder if he didn't really set her straight because he was afraid of scaring her off.. or he did try but she didn't listen because she was set on marriage inot the RF and didn't want to see any possible problems.. so they hit her hard when she encountered them.
 
I dont think it had to be about Diana, I think that generally speaking she really didn't know anything much about the RF, or the UK, and I think she thought that a monarchy was a much more glamourous affair than it really is...
I'd say she thought that most people in the UK liked if not loved the RF.. and so as a member of the family she too would get good press. And she found that the tabloids are pretty horrible, that she got some prejudice because of her Americanness and her racial origins... and that the public were reasonably wiling to like her but there wasn't the big groundswell of admiration that she had expected.
With Harry, i wonder if he didn't really set her straight because he was afraid of scaring her off.. or he did try but she didn't listen because she was set on marriage inot the RF and didn't want to see any possible problems.. so they hit her hard when she encountered them.
Maybe she was very much in love and thought like a lot of people that love would erase all the difficulties of her new situation. PS I am NOT a fan but I think it is a common error of people in love.
 
All I can think of, the more I read about various accusations and delving into Meghan's behavior is that this has to be the last thing Meghan ever expected by going "public" with her truths and her stories with Harry backing her up. Perhaps she does feel that everyone and everything was against her from the get go but as many have mentioned, she may have expected the fairy tale and the wondrous admiration of one and all and found out that the job actually wasn't an easy one and you don't get to call in sick when you have a headache and you put on a game face and "take one for the team" and "never complain, never explain". The "Firm" operates as a well oiled machine and everyone is expected to do their part, keep smiling and, most importantly, be a part of Team Windsor. Meghan ended up being a square peg trying to fit into a round hole and all the queen's horses and all the queen's men couldn't make it fit.

Harry also didn't do himself any favors by thinking he was promoting good mental health. I do believe he's the "monkey in the middle" caught between his love for his wife and family and everything he's known in life up until now and he's seriously trying to make sense of it all and the outcome is he's not really making any kind of sense at all.

If, perhaps and its a big if, William did have his sincere doubts about Meghan before the marriage even happened and Harry had been level headed enough to listen, things may have been done differently to ease Meghan into the working fold and she would have had more time to adjust and become acquainted with what was expected from a senior working royal for the "Firm". I can't blame the outcome we now have on anyone else besides Harry and Meghan, themselves, as they've not only insisted on doing things their way but they've also insisted that the court of public opinion become involved.

No matter what happens from here on out, what they've done is to set fire to their credibility and their character and with that, destroyed their own reputations in the public eye. In my eyes, they're now inviting all the negative press and negative attention they're getting. To quote Uhtred of Bebbanburg again, "Reputation is everything".

Maybe she was very much in love and thought like a lot of people that love would erase all the difficulties of her new situation. PS I am NOT a fan but I think it is a common error of people in love.


Love is blind but the neighbors ain't. ;)
 
At least 10 ex-royal staff "queuing up" to give evidence in Meghan Markle bullying row

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The Duchess of Sussex will issue a complete rebuttal of a series of allegations that she “bullied” her staff by demanding Buckingham Palace hand over a “point-by-point” breakdown of their claims.

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I don't know how it's done there, but in my experience, harrassment allegation (sexual or bullying) is a close investigation. Victim and witness are questioned, the investigation team gathers evidences. Only when it's done, not during investigation, they call the (alledged) perpetrator. It's not a trial where there's a back and ford between two sides. Then again, normally all's done in secret and almost nobody (including the accused person) know that there's investigation underway, even after it's over other employees might know nothing about what's been going one (if they know, it'll be from gossip circle).
 
In my experience, the accused may not be given a chance to speak if they're no longer employed there. If the purpose of the investigation is to determine whether they violated any rules and what discipline might be appropriate, that makes sense. There would be no reason to give her a detailed summary of anyone's claims even if there were no concerns about it ending up in People. And it's Meghan, so it's understood going in that anything anyone tells her will end up published. They can't conduct a real investigation without some guarantees of anonymity, and if there was any question about whether that might be compatible with keeping her apprised of developments, she sealed it when she told her friend Janina to go on tv claiming that one of the alleged victims was fired for misconduct.

As usual, we don't really know whether any of this is true. But preemptively planning to "fight back" against claims she behaved badly at a job she left 18 months ago and clearly hated anyway isn't the sort of thing a psychologically healthy person would be focusing on a few weeks after having a baby. The more people who make the same claims against her, the less believable it is that they're all incompetent or racist or have some other agenda.
 
So, here we have it. A brand new senior working royal for the "Firm" that seems to *know* how the staff really should be working for her. This quote from the article Yukari posted says it all. "But Meghan is adamant the staff were not up to their job and could not deal with the pressure of working for her and understanding how she wanted things to run."

A big case of "What Meghan wants, Meghan gets"? Then again, with Meghan actually no longer affiliated with the "Firm" in any way, shape or form, demanding that she can issue a point by point rebuttal is about as useful as building an igloo on the beach in the heat of summer. The investigation is to aid and abet the people that still work there and not geared to involve Meghan in any of this. Only her past actions as a "boss figure" for the "Firm" is being looked at in order to make changes and assure staff that they can and will be heard if they have a problem with anyone.
 
[…]I believe that she was given suggestions and guidelines and had things explained to her by competent people like Samantha Cohen, but she chose to do things her way. I think support was there, but as my dad used to say when my Little League brother chased butterflies in the outfield instead of shagging fly balls, she was listening to a different drummer.

In my experience, the accused may not be given a chance to speak if they're no longer employed there. If the purpose of the investigation is to determine whether they violated any rules and what discipline might be appropriate, that makes sense. .....

When I first read that there was to be an investigation, I thought I caught a whiff of Sir Humphrey there. But then, I thought of the professionalism of JK and the others involved, and dismissed the notion that it was just an announcement for show, to mollify people.

I do think that Meghan will go after this in a big way, armed with the thought that the BRF and their senior staff will do anything to stay out of a courtroom.
 
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The Duke & Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 5: June 2021-

So, here we have it. A brand new senior working royal for the "Firm" that seems to *know* how the staff really should be working for her. This quote from the article Yukari posted says it all. "But Meghan is adamant the staff were not up to their job and could not deal with the pressure of working for her and understanding how she wanted things to run."



A big case of "What Meghan wants, Meghan gets"? Then again, with Meghan actually no longer affiliated with the "Firm" in any way, shape or form, demanding that she can issue a point by point rebuttal is about as useful as building an igloo on the beach in the heat of summer. The investigation is to aid and abet the people that still work there and not geared to involve Meghan in any of this. Only her past actions as a "boss figure" for the "Firm" is being looked at in order to make changes and assure staff that they can and will be heard if they have a problem with anyone.



If that’s really what Meghan thinks- she’s basically trying to justify poor behavior IMO. That’s practically an admission that she handled things poorly, but saying it was acceptable because they didn’t do what she wanted and didn’t meet her standards. But - I don’t buy that the staff wasn’t good enough either.

I can see her wanting to issue a point by point rebuttal (sounds about right), but I don’t think she’s in a position to “demand” anything. This isn’t a trial. It’s not even really about her. And she doesn’t work there anymore either.

At least 10 people…if that’s accurate. And that’s just the people who agreed to participate. No doubt some didn’t want to relive the experience IMO.
 
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I think that comes from Sophie's interview a few months ago where she claimed that Louise and James could make that choice at 18 which was news to all of us!

But that's because no new LPs were issued. If Charles issued no new LPs but agreed with H&M that Archie and Lili would "enjoy the style of the children of a Duke" that might be the case as well. But I think he'll have to issue LPs for his decisions.

Louise and James are already princess and prince, they just don't use those titles because their parents didn't want them to. I thought Sophie was saying that when they would be able to choose whether to use those titles when they became adults.

Unless the Queen issues a new LP, Archie and Lili will be prince and princess as soon as Charles becomes King. I think Meghan and Harry aren't really worried about Charles taking the HRH away from Archie and Lilli but they are offended that Charles isn't planning for Archie and Lili to be working royals even though Meghan and Harry claim that royal life is horrible.

With respect to the credibility of the bullying accusations, I believe the allegations because of what I have actually observed of their behavior over the past three years: They cut off her father for doing the same thing they are doing to Harry's family. They threw a fit over not participating in the Commonwealth procession, even though they were leaving their royal duties. Meghan unnecessarily attacked Kate in the Oprah interview (regardless of the facts, Meghan didn't have to say that Kate made her cry, Meghan could have just said that she didn't make Kate cry).

These are just a few examples and I don't have to rely on "unnamed palace sources" or "friends of the Sussexes." This behavior is very consistent with people who would treat their staff inappropriately.
 
I do think that Meghan will go after this in a big way, armed with the thought that the BRF and their senior staff will do anything to stay out of a courtroom.

I know noting about UK law on this subject, but is "not telling me what my ex-staff said about me" really something a person can sue over? It seems the Queen may have drawn a line in the sand about "mistruths," and no one's really listening to H&M's threats to sue anymore. I suspect the BBC wishes they would, because all kinds of interesting things would undoubtedly come out during the lawsuit. The Palace was wise to hire a third-party law firm to do the investigation. That way, those lawyers, and not Palace staff, will be the ones dragged into court if it comes to that.
 
I know noting about UK law on this subject, but is "not telling me what my ex-staff said about me" really something a person can sue over? It seems the Queen may have drawn a line in the sand about "mistruths," and no one's really listening to H&M's threats to sue anymore. I suspect the BBC wishes they would, because all kinds of interesting things would undoubtedly come out during the lawsuit. The Palace was wise to hire a third-party law firm to do the investigation. That way, those lawyers, and not Palace staff, will be the ones dragged into court if it comes to that.

I do think she wants to get this into legal lawsuit territory, maybe even try to get a payout. However, your point about a third-party law firm is a good one. That was a smart move by BP.
 
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