The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 6: Aug. 2021- Oct. 2022

[ladongas]

I think the end game here is for the Sussexes to get out of attending events they have neither the desire nor the intention to attend- and never had the desire or intention to attend- while making themselves look like slighted victims, not children throwing toys out of a pram.

Isn’t it somewhat possible - or even likely- that threats are aimed at Meghan and the children rather than Harry? No need to state why…

 

[Durham]

Isn’t it somewhat possible - or even likely- that threats are aimed at Meghan and the children rather than Harry? No need to state why…

Yes it is. But if that is the case then they most certainly would receive state protection if they came here.

The security services in the UK are the experts here after all. It's their job!

 

[Hallo girl]

Harry and his family have already classed with 'Exceptional status' by the Home Office, which from what I understand means that security will be assessed on a case by case basis. So yes he will be provided with security here in the UK, but the RP people are not going to chase away cameramen or the press unless they get really close and pose a threat.
I think the Home Office have found a tactful way of providing the security. He is no longer a working member of the RF and does not receive the Important person title that appears to be important to him but he will receive security, a middle road had been found but he doesn't appear to want to accept it. Or maybe he just doesn't want to come. The will they wont they does keep them on the front page.

 

[crm2317]

It’s a shame that Harry feels unable to come, I felt so sure that he would! However I’m sure he will spend time remembering his grandfather privately.

Perhaps he wishes for the focus of the day to be on Prince Philip and remembering the wonderful man he was. If he attended a lot of the focus would be on him, body language etc with his family members. By announcing early that he won’t attend it lets the media storm blow over somewhat before the day itself.

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

Is he getting some kind of government security in the Netherlands, separate from what's provided for Invictus events? Or does he think there are no paparazzi there? The longer this goes on, and the more information that comes out, the less sense his position makes. At this point, I honestly think he just doesn't want to see them, but he doesn't want to publicly admit that. He could simply refrain from any public comment on the subject, but he apparently doesn't want to do that, either.

He will get full protection service when required. The Hague houses the International Court of Justice and has high profile former politicians and war criminals detained. There is a specialist protection service around it, for royals, politicans and VIPs, apart from the regular police and military services. The DKDB (The Royal- and Diplomatic Protection Service) with around 500 staff. For me it is strange that the country famous for James Bond, of Scotland Yard, of MI5 and MI6, seem not give sufficient protection to the Sussexes. I would have guessed protection was the last to worry about, over there in the UK.

 

[Vicky7]

It’s a shame that Harry feels unable to come, I felt so sure that he would! However I’m sure he will spend time remembering his grandfather privately.

Perhaps he wishes for the focus of the day to be on Prince Philip and remembering the wonderful man he was. If he attended a lot of the focus would be on him, body language etc with his family members. By announcing early that he won’t attend it lets the media storm blow over somewhat before the day itself.

This is the sussex we are talking about. Did people forget the little stunt meghan pulled during the funeral about the wreath..

 

[Vicky7]

He will get full protection service when required. The Hague houses the International Court of Justice and has high profile former politicians and war criminals detained. There is a specialist protection service around it, for royals, politicans and VIPs, apart from the regular police and military services. The DKDB (The Royal- and Diplomatic Protection Service) with around 500 staff. For me it is strange that the country famous for James Bond, of Scotland Yard, of MI5 and MI6, seem not give sufficient protection to the Sussexes. I would have guessed protection was the last to worry about, over there in the UK.

Does dutch security forces provide security for the kings brother during his private non royal events? What about other members of the dutch royal family do they get tax payer funded security doing non royal engagements? What about when the King does his part time job as a commercial pilot does security go with him on the flights?
The answer to the first two questions is probably NO.. that is what Harry wants government security for his non royal non government events.

And i very much doubt he will get government security when he goes there. He is no longer working on behalf of the UK. He is essentially a private celebrity.

 

[ACO]

I think, in some ways, him not being there will actually make things easier. Yes, there will be some distracting discussion about his absence, but nowhere near as much as if he was there on his own, or if Meghan was with him. If he turned up, a lot of people would spend the whole service scrutinizing body language and expressions, speculating on what that means about who's speaking to who, and who isn't.

At least this way, once the initial talk about him not being there is over, the focus can just be on the service, as it should be.

I doubt anyone in that family wants to see Meghan anyways. Honestly I don't fault Harry. Who needs that drama during something that should be about his grandfather? They will likely visit HMQ when they return to Europe in April. They just need to do private visits. No need for anything public. I also don't think they will be involved in the Jubilee either.

 

[Hallo girl]

I doubt anyone in that family wants to see Meghan anyways. Honestly I don't fault Harry. Who needs that drama during someone that should be about his grandfather? They will likely visit HMQ when they return to Europe in April. They just need to do private visit. No need for anything public.

I think a private visit would be a good idea but how often do they do private...or if they do it is then announced via their favourite reporter.

 

[MARG]

While I believe this situation factors in the ongoing court case, to dismiss his fears for himself and his family was never about how popular he is but rather how hated he has become. Knowing nutters that labelled him a "race traitor" and his wife and child(ren) "abominations" hasn't changed and IMHO Harry and the rest of the BRF getting chummy would really rattle their cages. It is an ugly truth that most of the western world is facing, the prolific rise of the radical left and we have seen there are enough nutters around for just one to take it to a higher level.

As to the Memorial itself, we have to at least give Harry the benefit of the doubt in some things. He has not become the living embodiment of all things ugly and, in this case, we overlook the fact that he too is grieving for his beloved grandfather, the person he most wanted to be proud of him and everything turned to s***. After a major falling out with his brother every man and his dog has had their say and kept it to the forefront of his and the rest of the BRF's lives.

Harry and William were never able to deal with their grief over their mother's death because every year we get reminded by her adoring fans and tabloid writers making another few bucks over their pain. Everyone else I know who has lost a beloved parent too soon has all processed their way through the so-called 'stages of grief. Not so Diana's sons. And now the death of a loved and admired grandfather is going the same way.

How many people thought it disrespectful of the Queen to observe a period of mourning counted in days let alone weeks or months? Nobody! but apart from the ghastly and sickening appearance of HM looking so small and bereft and alone at her husband's funeral, in the time of Covid the normal process of mourning has proceeded as it should. But the other great news was "will Harry have the decency to attend the funeral?" and, if he does, he should have had the decency to stay away so as not to affect the rest of the family if he did attend.

The same applies to the Memorial Service, he can't win because of "how shallow, cold, and Hollywood' he is if he doesn't attend. Conversely 'he's got a nerve showing up at the Service' is the general feeling espoused by the rags and fans. Either is messy and, he may just want to stick his head under his pillow until the hurt goes away.

The same arguments are put forward for him attending any part of the Platinum Jubilee. If he did attend, they would claim he was trying to ruin the occasion for the entire BRF yet sadly, he probably misses them all.

 

[ACO]

I think a private visit would be a good idea but how often do they do private...or if they do it is then announced via their favourite reporter.

Favorite reporter? Honestly I think people give Omid more credit than he deserves. They don't talk to him. Heck they dismissed him in their court papers. He gets all his info from twitter. I see news posted by fans and then he will retweet it after them. So yeah. He has no insight with the Sussexes. I have yet to see him drop info first.

I won't be surprised to hear they came to Windor and left. These days we only get news via their website or if some random guest of an event they attend posts about them ie the rodeo and the charity event the other day.

 

[TLLK]

I think a private visit would be a good idea but how often do they do private...or if they do it is then announced via their favourite reporter.

I truly hope that the couple will consider a private visit at some point in the very near future. If they stay at Windsor Castle or ClarenceHouse at least they should assured of protection.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Isn’t it somewhat possible - or even likely- that threats are aimed at Meghan and the children rather than Harry? No need to state why…

Harry has stated more than once that there have been neo-Nazi threats against his wife and their children in Britain.

 

[Vicky7]

Harry has stated more than once that there have been neo-Nazi threats against his wife and their children in Britain.

Thats what HE says... where does HE get his information from? His fans? The Police are the experts not Harry. And idk why anyone would take his word these days he has said things that was half true or completely false and made up just to push a narrative.

 

[ACO]

Thats what HE says... where does HE get his information from? His fans? The Police are the experts not Harry. And idk why anyone would take his word these days he has said things that was half true or completely false and made up just to push a narrative.

Well there are people in jail right now for threatening him and Meghan. So he not wrong. The law enforcement did their job. That said he clearly doesn’t feel safe for some reason and that’s on him to figure out.

 

[Osipi]

I think most everything circles back to Harry not having a clue what being a private citizen and having "freedom" meant when he made the decision to leave the royal world (the only world he's known) behind. I don't think his mindset has adjusted to the world of "private people" and he feels that his royal status should still be something he can fall back on. As in security. As in thinking that giving up the monies from the Sovereign Grant would be the only thing that affected his financial status. As in being important still on the world stage and being influential. As time passes, he's finding more and more things aren't what they pictured the life in California to be and it's a rude awakening for him.

It's a shame that he will not be there for his grandfather's service of thanksgiving and I believe he's honestly stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to returning to the UK. On the other hand, I'm glad to see him ready, willing and able to travel to the the Hague for the Invictus Games. Those games mean so very much to him and they're one of the huge successes Harry did have. It's something to hold onto tightly.

 

[stellam]

As Harry is the grandson of a Reigning Monarch, son of a future King, even though he is no longer a working member of the family, will he still get Diplomatic Immunity therefore he will have a security detail? Just asking.

Being at the Memorial Service there should be enough security detail so he should be quite safe.

 

[Vicky7]

As Harry is the grandson of a Reigning Monarch, son of a future King, even though he is no longer a working member of the family, will he still get Diplomatic Immunity therefore he will have a security detail? Just asking.

Being at the Memorial Service there should be enough security detail so he should be quite safe.

No he doesnt have diplomatic immunity.

 

[Iluvbertie]

As Harry is the grandson of a Reigning Monarch, son of a future King, even though he is no longer a working member of the family, will he still get Diplomatic Immunity therefore he will have a security detail? Just asking.

Being at the Memorial Service there should be enough security detail so he should be quite safe.

Harry has never had Diplomatic Immunity. He had diplomatic status when he visited a country on an official visit on behalf of The Queen e.g. when he and Meghan visited Australia in 2018 but neither of them had Diplomatic Immunity.

Diplomatic Immunity applies to people at High Commissions and Embassies for the most part and not even all of those workers have it. It doesn't entitle anyone to security.

Security is determined on the perceived threat to the person e.g. if the Metropolitan Police believed that Harry needed 24/7 security he would get it but as at least two of the Queen's own children, don't have 24/7 security any more (Edward and Anne - Andrew is a different case due to some direct threats being made against him). Being the child of a future monarch is no reason to have a full security team when being the child of the present monarch doesn't warrant such a level of protection.

 

[AC21091968]

Whist security is one of the causes that contributes to Harry not attending The Thanksgiving Service, but I do think there are other factors. Since The Service will be attended by members of The Royal Families around the world, the Met Police will be present for security. I guess Harry wants 24 hours private protection not just attending public duties, but then again if he stayed at The Crown Estate or Royal Family's private properties, he will be protected on estate ground.

What struck me is the statement that Harry "hope to visit the Queen as soon as possible", but does not mention other members of The Royal Family, specifically Charles and William. Perhaps the fall-out/conflict has not ended and they are not on good terms (apart from Eugenie). I could even go further that it could be the recent lawsuit against the Home Office or Harry may not be well received by the British public (due to the lawsuit or past events post 2020) that made him not wanting to come. Again, these are my thoughts and may sound speculative.

 

[Mbruno]

Harry has stated more than once that there have been neo-Nazi threats against his wife and their children in Britain.

And the Home Office or the Metropolitan Police have made it clear that, if there were credible neo-Nazi threats against Harry's wife and their children in Britain, they would get state protection. So I don't see Harry's point in this case.

 

[A-Bik]

Favorite reporter? Honestly I think people give Omid more credit than he deserves. They don't talk to him. Heck they dismissed him in their court papers. He gets all his info from twitter. I see news posted by fans and then he will retweet it after them. So yeah. He has no insight with the Sussexes. I have yet to see him drop info first.

I won't be surprised to hear they came to Windor and left. These days we only get news via their website or if some random guest of an event they attend posts about them ie the rodeo and the charity event the other day.

Especially since ALL the BRF members have their own favoured reporters.

I feel Harry - and Harry alone- should pay a private visit(s) to the Queen after Invictus games.
It's best for all parties that way.
And I agree that the Sussexes won't be at the Jubilee. Also probably for the best.?

 

[muriel]

Whist security is one of the causes that contributes to Harry not attending The Thanksgiving Service, but I do think there are other factors. Since The Service will be attended by members of The Royal Families around the world, the Met Police will be present for security. I guess Harry wants 24 hours private protection not just attending public duties, but then again if he stayed at The Crown Estate or Royal Family's private properties, he will be protected on estate ground.

Whilst staying at a royal residence or the Service of Thanksgiving, Harry would be protected as he will be with members of the family that are protected. To the extent if her were to venture out with a member of the family, he would not be afforded protection by the state. To me it is clear that if Harry really wanted to make the trip to visit family and attend the Service of Thanksgiving, there is no problem.

What struck me is the statement that Harry "hope to visit the Queen as soon as possible", but does not mention other members of The Royal Family, specifically Charles and William. Perhaps the fall-out/conflict has not ended and they are not on good terms (apart from Eugenie). I could even go further that it could be the recent lawsuit against the Home Office or Harry may not be well received by the British public (due to the lawsuit or past events post 2020) that made him not wanting to come. Again, these are my thoughts and may sound speculative.

I think this is deliberate, to gather more attention, and to paint a picture of discord between C&C, W&C on the one side and H&M on the other. This is very much the narrative that H&M have been pushing since they left the UK, perhaps as a way of justifying their actions. IMO, this is deeply unedifying, and really serves no purpose in the long run.

 

[Denville]

And the Home Office or the Metropolitan Police have made it clear that, if there were credible neo-Nazi threats against Harry's wife and their children in Britain, they would get state protection. So I don't see Harry's point in this case.

All royals get terrorist threats, even the children.

 

[Denville]

Whist security is one of the causes that contributes to Harry not attending The Thanksgiving Service, but I do think there are other factors. Since The Service will be attended by members of The Royal Families around the world, the Met Police will be present for security. I guess Harry wants 24 hours private protection not just attending public duties, but then again if he stayed at The Crown Estate or Royal Family's private properties, he will be protected on estate ground.

What struck me is the statement that Harry "hope to visit the Queen as soon as possible", but does not mention other members of The Royal Family, specifically Charles and William. Perhaps the fall-out/conflict has not ended and they are not on good terms (apart from Eugenie). I could even go further that it could be the recent lawsuit against the Home Office or Harry may not be well received by the British public (due to the lawsuit or past events post 2020) that made him not wanting to come. Again, these are my thoughts and may sound speculative.

I would also assume that if the Met thought that Harry was in danger when he went out on a private visit.. if he went to one of his charities or to see a freind.. he would get protection even if he wasnt with his family. If it was a one off kind of thing, I am sure they dont wnat anything bad to happen to him.

 

[Granada]

It will be interesting to see what kind of Security Harry receives at in The Netherlands. Will it be The Netherlands "version" of Royal Protection Services 24-7 ? What would be the difference be, between what he will have there, versus the UK ?
Where the ONLY time he would not be under the RPO security umbrella is when He or the Sussex Family would be off for 'private visits'. Charles offered to let them stay with him and Camilla, also, a nice and considerate offer way to try to mend fences, and allay Harry's Security concerns.
Why was that so hard for the Sussex's to comprehend? They could have bent a little.....And try to establish some goodwill with the Family and Public.

The purpose of the visit was to honor The Duke of Edinburgh, Harry's beloved Grandfather. Right ?

You don't get to keep the Company Car when you quit a Job. You lose the benefits. Its just baffling, and to sue the Government over this ?

I believe there is more to the Story. And I'm afraid for the Firm it isn't going to be good.
We will be reading about motivations and back stories in Harry's upcoming book. His "truths", as Harry and Meghan see it. He didn't get paid 20 million for nothing.
I'm afraid it will be as sensational and controversial as the Oprah Interview was too.
The poor Queen, her Jubilee and Prince Philip's Memorial Service overshadowed by these two and the never ending drama.

 

[Fem]

Oh, poor boy who cried wolf.

Even though some time has passed, I don't think Harry understands, or can cope with losing his royal status and its perks. A state protection cannot be paid for by private individual based on a whim - can you imagine what kind of pandora box allowing Harry to do so would open in the UK? Every person who can afford that would be able to make the same request.

The process of analyzing threats and organizing state security is not something we know much of - mostly because it could be dangerous for the officers and protected person. But I have no doubts that if there was any valid threat against Harry or his family, they would be given the appropriate protection they need.

The question now is if the level of protection the Scotland Yard decided is appropriate is the same Harry thinks is needed. Me thinks not. But his PR people trying to spin a very complicated issue to "he can't visit his family because he will not be safe" is ridiculous, especially when he was photographed in LA not that long ago. That apparently was not a security risk and not a problem, since no one was sued and no statement was released.

I'm thinking Harry has more issues with UK itself than with security.

 

[Claire]

Personally I feel this is more about pride and ego then anything.

 

[Vicky7]

Someone explain to me IN TERMS OF SECURITY the difference between visiting the queen "privately" and going to the church service and jubilee event. Im assuming if harry visits the queen in "private" he will not get government security but only his personal security. So why is it he "plans to visit the queen privately" but cant come to the church service or jubilee event because of "security" reasons. By the way his lawyer said he wants to visit the uk because its his home but cant cause its unsafe. Now he says he will visit the queen privately. So which is it safe or dangerous? The boy doesnt make any sense.

 

[Alison H]

Nobody really cares about Harry any more. The situation in Ukraine dominates the news, together with knock-on effects such as increases in petrol prices and the issues regarding Chelsea FC. Covid's still around. Sports stories - the Test match in the West Indies, the Six Nations, the football season - are also big news. Harry just isn't, most of the time. I think he overestimates his own importance in people's minds. But I think his decision not to attend the memorial service is being seen as disrespectful to his grandfather.

Unfortunately, threats are issued all the time, to all manner of people. Social media makes it all too easy. A footballer who's seen as making a mistake that costs his team an important match can expect death threats. Judges on Strictly Come Dancing have had death threats from people upset that their favourites were voted out. I'm sure it's horrific for those concerned, but it's now commonplace.