"Spare" memoir by the Duke of Sussex (2023)

[Alison H]

I think a "Recollections may vary" statement would be more likely than a lawsuit, but I think it's most likely that the Royals will treat the book with the contempt it deserves and ignore it.

 

[SOS]

I read, have no idea if true, that all communication for now on with the Sussex's will be handled by The Firm Lawyers.

Harry will not be able to communicate directly with King Charles, Prince William OR their Aides.

I guess the straw that broke the camels back was finally breached......

And regarding sad treatment of Pat the Matron it kinda makes sense in Harry's Modus Operandi......
He is a bully. He repeatedly delighted in mocking and demeaning a disabled woman who he viewed TOO, as beneath him in social status.

So why would he care if Meghan was bullying Staff ? He didn't.
They are just the little People to serve him and his resplendent wife.

I think that would be the right decision. Harry and Meghan leaked so much private information in such a public way that it will be difficult for them to gain the trust of others. How will they earn money from now on? They will need new material and putting lawyers between the royals and Harry & Meghan seems to be the right decision right now. It's a very sad situation.

 

[Royalist.in.NC]

Could someone please post an archive of the article that states all communication must now go through lawyers? It is so sad that it has come to this but with all of the outrageous things Harry has written and said, I think the RF is being wise. I don’t know what kinds of phones they have, but if it were me, I’d want to block all communication with H&M.

Also does anyone know why BP wants a copy of the GMA interview (I think that’s the one)? I’m sorry but like someone else said, my mind is reeling with things coming out seemingly so fast and furious.

Thanks in advance

 

[camelot23ca]

Could someone please post an archive of the article that states all communication must now go through lawyers? It is so sad that it has come to this but with all of the outrageous things Harry has written and said, I think the RF is being wise. I don’t know what kinds of phones they have, but if it were me, I’d want to block all communication with H&M.

Also does anyone know why BP wants a copy of the GMA interview (I think that’s the one)? I’m sorry but like someone else said, my mind is reeling with things coming out seemingly so fast and furious.

Thanks in advance

I think they asked for a copy (I think a full, unedited copy?) of the Anderson Cooper interview, as well, before they would issue any comment. My guess is they never seriously intended to comment and knew the networks would refuse such requests as a matter of course.

 

[FigTree]

Saw Omid on TV today. He is rowing back. Said that the leaking etc wasn't quote what they imagined. It was more them not being able to correct things etc. I was a bit...Omid you be moving on.

 

[JGio]

I’m lost in all these posts. Just to know, has Harry disclosed private stuff on/details on reciprocal relationships with other minor RF members? Like cousins, Chattos, or whatever

 

[Sionevar]

thanks.. I am surprised because that makes it sound as if ELF wasn't too sure that Harry would need the queen's permission to get married, an Im sure he was not that foolish. Possibly he was trying to break it gently to Harry that he could not just do as he liked, in terms of marriage or public behaviiour.

The section recounting the convo with ELF is extremely strange. Harry makes it sound as if ELF wasn't sure of various things, which I find very hard to believe, given what position ELF held.

Harry comes across as being completely unaware of how rules and procedures in the royal family work.

It didn’t make sense. A grown man asking his grandmother for permission to marry? I couldn’t recall Willy asking before he proposed to Kate. Or my cousin Peter asking before he proposed to his wife, Autumn. But come to think of it I did remember Pa asking permission when he wanted to marry Camilla.

 

[Sunnystar]

Saw Omid on TV today. He is rowing back. Said that the leaking etc wasn't quote what they imagined. It was more them not being able to correct things etc. I was a bit...Omid you be moving on.

That sounds exactly like what they (or at least Meghan) have been complaining about since the Oprah interview. Per usual, they want to control the narrative, they want to correct any and every single wrong story that's put out there, and are unwilling to accept that that's a foolish, never-ending quest and could easily backfire on them if their "truth" doesn't match up with other people's recollections.

 

[Sionevar]

I’m lost in all these posts. Just to know, has Harry disclosed private stuff on/details on reciprocal relationships with other minor RF members? Like cousins, Chattos, or whatever

There is no mention at all (that I have found) of Louise, James, Beatrice, Zara, any Chatto cousin, any Snowdon cousin, any Kent cousin, any Gloucester cousin. Only Eugenie and Peter are mentioned, and even then, just in passing in a single line.

 

[Sunnystar]

The section recounting the convo with ELF is extremely strange. Harry makes it sound as if ELF wasn't sure of various things, which I find very hard to believe, given what position ELF held.

Harry comes across as being completely unaware of how rules and procedures in the royal family work.

It didn’t make sense. A grown man asking his grandmother for permission to marry? I couldn’t recall Willy asking before he proposed to Kate. Or my cousin Peter asking before he proposed to his wife, Autumn. But come to think of it I did remember Pa asking permission when he wanted to marry Camilla.

Actually, it does make sense that ELF wouldn't have necessarily known how the asking-permission-to-marry works if Peter, Zara and William had all just intuitively known/understood that they needed to speak to Granny first. Why would ELF have involved himself in that at all? I can see Harry being that oblivious and unaware and ELF being all "so, yeah, let me check in on how that's done..."

 

[Granada]

Royalist.in.NC.
I'm the one that posted about all King Charles and William now saying all communication from The Sussex's are to be sent to The Firms Legal Team.
It also states that this includes their Aides. A do not engage with anyone outside of Legal. Just as a Business would be run, under similar circumstances and allegations.

It was from a site called "Royalinstablog" on Twitter, I have ZERO idea if credible, but it would in light of the wild accusations and tarnished -insulting "recollections" in Harry's autobiography make perfect sense.

No one was spared, I think the Family knew that low and cowardly Harry would target Charles, Camilla, William and Kate.....but there was just soooo
much more. From a totally unnecessary mean spirited comment about Princess Margaret to texts about Princess Charlotte crying over the dress.

Yes, we know P. Margaret had a reputation for being "challenging" but, I believe to Charles she was a much loved figure from his youth. She got married when he was 12. And he knew Queen Elizabeth LOVED her sister.
Also being the first to speak out about Prince Andrew .
The book was written about these family members with no expectation that QE ll would be dead too.

Enough is enough the Family felt probably. Don't call us, we'll call you.
Especially AFTER the backtracking on the disgraceful Racism charge.

 

[kalnel]

Why does Marie-Chantal feel she is entitled to comment on other Royal Families? She did it before after the Letizia/Sofia Easter incident in Mallorca and apparently is doing it again following the publication of Spare.

It looks like she has removed her posts. I don't see them on her Instagram or Twitter pages.

 

[HighnessN]

Saw Omid on TV today. He is rowing back. Said that the leaking etc wasn't quote what they imagined. It was more them not being able to correct things etc. I was a bit...Omid you be moving on.

I cant keep up with the changing stories. At first, their main issue was not being allowed to respond. Then we were told about leaking, William being the main culprit. At the same time, H says William's negative view of Meghan was due to what he was reading & what his staff was telling him.

Someone explain it to me like I am 5

What is clear is that H&M had zero clue of how the "Firm" operates & with their defensive personalities, that was bound to be a recipe for disaster. They had zero understanding of the rules & took offense when they were being told "no".
Harry being so clueless about institution that he was born in & was to be his future is shocking & laughable

 

[TLLK]

The section recounting the convo with ELF is extremely strange. Harry makes it sound as if ELF wasn't sure of various things, which I find very hard to believe, given what position ELF held.

Harry comes across as being completely unaware of how rules and procedures in the royal family work.

It didn’t make sense. A grown man asking his grandmother for permission to marry? I couldn’t recall Willy asking before he proposed to Kate. Or my cousin Peter asking before he proposed to his wife, Autumn. But come to think of it I did remember Pa asking permission when he wanted to marry Camilla.

Of course they did Harry. Charles, Peter and William knew they had to ask for permission. How? Because they took the opportunity to be well informed and understood that this was required for those in the line of succession when they proposed. Autumn even changed her Christian denomination from Roman Catholic to Church of England so Peter could stay in the line of succession.

 

[TLLK]

It looks like she has removed her posts. I don't see them on her Instagram or Twitter pages.

On Instagram it was in her story so it would have only been up for a short time.

 

[Alison H]

Harry comes across as being completely unaware of how rules and procedures in the royal family work.

It didn’t make sense. A grown man asking his grandmother for permission to marry? I couldn’t recall Willy asking before he proposed to Kate. Or my cousin Peter asking before he proposed to his wife, Autumn. But come to think of it I did remember Pa asking permission when he wanted to marry Camilla.

He's either extremely stupid or he's lying. Neither would surprise me. It's quite understandable that Meghan didn't know how procedures in the Royal Family worked, but surely Harry must have known something as basic as that. Or so you would think.

 

[TLLK]

Royalist.in.NC.
I'm the one that posted about all King Charles and William now saying all communication from The Sussex's are to be sent to The Firms Legal Team.
It also states that this includes their Aides. A do not engage with anyone outside of Legal. Just as a Business would be run, under similar circumstances and allegations.

It was from a site called "Royalinstablog" on Twitter, I have ZERO idea if credible, but it would in light of the wild accusations and tarnished -insulting "recollections" in Harry's autobiography make perfect sense.

No one was spared, I think the Family knew that low and cowardly Harry would target Charles, Camilla, William and Kate.....but there was just soooo
much more. From a totally unnecessary mean spirited comment about Princess Margaret to texts about Princess Charlotte crying over the dress.

Yes, we know P. Margaret had a reputation for being "challenging" but, I believe to Charles she was a much loved figure from his youth. She got married when he was 12. And he knew Queen Elizabeth LOVED her sister.
Also being the first to speak out about Prince Andrew .
The book was written about these family members with no expectation that QE ll would be dead too.

Enough is enough the Family felt probably. Don't call us, we'll call you.
Especially AFTER the backtracking on the disgraceful Racism charge.

Very good point Granada. Yes the Queen's death and funeral required some additional pages and necessary editing, but the tales about the other family members living or deceased were reportedly there before Sept. 8, 2022.

 

[US Royal Watcher]

Saw Omid on TV today. He is rowing back. Said that the leaking etc wasn't quote what they imagined. It was more them not being able to correct things etc. I was a bit...Omid you be moving on.

We know they wanted to respond ot the "who made whom" cry story, and the "Duchess Difficult" stories. Is there anything else?

They responded to both stories during the Oprah interview, so what else do they want. At what point will they realize that they are the ones perpetrating the "who made whom" cry story. It would have been long forgotten by now if they had just let it go.

We know the palace couldn't block the Duchess Difficult stories because were true. I think they are still denying the stories and I saw something about the Sussexes having a 25-page report and evidence to rebut the charges once and for all. I would think if they had actual evidence, it would have been included in the book. Has anyone who is reading the book gotten to that part?

 

[Claire]

He said.....He genuinely believed that the Monarchy should continue ( how nice ! ) BUT that there WAS ONLY a place for it in the 21Century IF it modernized. (Yep, he went there ! )
He then said that The Royals had missed a HUGE opportunity to modernise through what Meghan had represented as a biracial woman.
So there you have it.
The only way in dimwit Harry's mind forward was by letting Harry and Meghan "carve out a PROGRESSIVE NEW ROLE in the Monarchy" as stated in the original Sussex Manifesto.

Meghan (and Harry) summited a paper or presentation to the Queen's private secretary about this after the Tour of Australia - about why they are more popular and need to do the Commonwealth tours. I gather it essentially came down to the royals are seen as white saviors and her been half black was not. However it was clear that they liked Commonwealth tours due to the publicity and interest they received. They laid out much of their progressive new role in it - but as Commonwealth royals.
I think it is mentioned in Bower's book.

 

[FigTree]

That sounds exactly like what they (or at least Meghan) have been complaining about since the Oprah interview. Per usual, they want to control the narrative, they want to correct any and every single wrong story that's put out there, and are unwilling to accept that that's a foolish, never-ending quest and could easily backfire on them if their "truth" doesn't match up with other people's recollections.

Yeah but now he is essentially saying it too. He has broken from their narrative.

 

[Sunnystar]

On Instagram it was in her story so it would have only been up for a short time.

IG stories are up for 24 hours. If you click on her profile pic, that will pull up her IG stories from the past day. The one about the book is still available - I just looked at it - and should be up another 18 hours or so since she posted it approximately 6 hours ago.

 

[TLLK]

The Mirror has a list of stories that require some additional fact checking including: The timing of when he was told QEII had passed away. Where was Harry when he learned the QEQM passed away? He said Eton but he was skiing with his father and brother. The Xbox he reports that he received four years before they were on the market.



https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/royals/six-prince-harry-book-claims-28907936

 

[ppetrica]

Of course they did Harry. Charles, Peter and William knew they had to ask for permission. How? Because they took the opportunity to be well informed and understood that this was required for those in the line of succession when they proposed. Autumn even changed her Christian denomination from Roman Catholic to Church of England so Peter could stay in the line of succession.

Well even I knew about it.
Everybody does.
Didn't Ernst of Hanover ask the Queen's permission to marry Pss Caroline? Over the years there were numerous news of someone way way down the line of succession who asked the Queen's permission.

 

[Hallo girl]

There is no mention at all (that I have found) of Louise, James, Beatrice, Zara, any Chatto cousin, any Snowdon cousin, any Kent cousin, any Gloucester cousin. Only Eugenie and Peter are mentioned, and even then, just in passing in a single line.

Does he not make comment re Princess Margaret and Prince Andrew, that would impact on the Chatto and Snowden families also his cousins York if he mentioned Andrew

 

[FigTree]

Well even I knew about it.
Everybody does.
Didn't Ernst of Hanover ask the Queen's permission to marry Pss Caroline? Over the years there were numerous news of someone way way down the line of succession who asked the Queen's permission.

No. It is only the first however many. I don't thinkmPeter would have had to.

 

[llj]

No. It is only the first however many. I don't thinkmPeter would have had to.

It is now the first 6 people in succession, but that only came in to effect in 2015. Up until then the list of people who had to request permission was quite long. Peter received permission on April 9, 2008 at a meeting of the Privy Council.
The article on the Royal Marriages Act of 1772 on Wikipedia has a good write up of the effects of it and the changes to it in the last decade.

 

[Sionevar]

Does he not make comment re Princess Margaret and Prince Andrew, that would impact on the Chatto and Snowden families also his cousins York if he mentioned Andrew

He does mention Margaret and Andrew, yes, but only six times each. These mentions may impact his cousins, but the cousins themselves are not mentioned in the book at all.

 

[HRHHermione]

I’m about 1/3 of the way through the book and taking notes. I did want to pause to mention an incident early in part 2, on the trip where Harry drives through the tunnel and finally believes that Diana’s death was real after years of believing she’d faked her own death and disappeared. At this point in time, he is 23 years old. He mentions that he drinks heavily that night and then gets thrown out of a pub. His police protection officer, referred to as Billy the Rock, escorts him back to his hotel and then Harry tried to start a fight with the man. He says “I growled at him, swung on him, slapped his head. He barely reacted. He just frowned like an ultra-patient parent. I slapped him again. I loved him but I was determined to hurt him. He’d seen me like this before. Once, maybe twice. I heard him say to another bodyguard: he’s a handful tonight. Oh you want to see a handful? Here you go, here’s a handful.” He then recounts how he snuck out of the hotel without protection.

He was an adult at the time and he’s now 38 and writing this and it does not seem to have occurred to him then or now that Billy The Rock was not his parent, he was a paid employee being abused on the job. There’s no apology, no sense that Harry believes he was wrong to behave this way.

That strikes me as particularly bad and I’m surprised the press hasn’t picked up the story yet, given that Harry was later accused of bullying and being abusive to employees. Here’s an example of him physically striking one.

 

[Muhler]

I must admit I'm getting numb. Too much (negative) information to process and next to no positive inputs.

I'll ask those who read the book and watched the interviews: Did Harry at any point say something positive?
Something like: I have a lovely wife and two wonderful children all of us in good health and we live in a nice place where we feel at home.
Or saying something about happy memories with his brother and father. Surely there must have been some? I mean in between William, Margaret, Kate, Queen Camilla and King Charles tormenting Harry, surely there must have been the odd moment where they forgot he is really Cinderella and were kind to him?
And I don't count his mother aka saint Diana, because that's what she is in Harry's eyes.

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Who doesn't want this to somehow have a happy ending.
But I can't see any hope whatsoever about Harry and his family reconciling, especially not with his brother!
Apart from the things he has said about his stepmother and sister-in-law which would be very difficult to forgive in any case, you need at least a basis of trust to even start talking about reconciliation.
And who will trust Harry?

I wouldn't call him for fear of the conversation being recorded.
I wouldn't visit Harry in his home for fear of being filmed and bugged.
I would never write a letter, text message or e-mail for fear it would end up on the front page.
I wouldn't even dare to be alone with his children for a single second - or his dog for that matter, for fear of being accused of abuse or bad influence of some sort. I would hardly dare being with Harry's children with only H&M present!

The account of the text message exchange between Kate and Meghan is telling. Assuming this was a genuine screen shot or in some other way recorded and saved, who in their right mind collects examples of perceived slights?!?
And keep in mind that Meghan at the time must have text messaged countless people about all sorts of things, yet she somehow thought is was a good idea to save this exchange.
They weren't even bloody married yet!
They hadn't even started to work for real for the BRF!
Not only that, the public adored them and most were siding with Meghan in her feud with her family. - So the sky was fairly rosy.
But nooo, Meghan is slighted, we'd better keep this example of nastiness from Kate. - Why?

Anyway, I doubt Harry has any close friends left.
First of all who wants to listen to someone droning on and on and on about what a miserable life he has had.
Apart from that, if I did belong to the circle of friends around Harry, I would begin to wonder: When will it be my turn? Is there a dossier on me as well, with examples of how I have offended Harry and/or Meghan?

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Finally I blame Meghan just as much as Harry for the mess this book and interviews have turned out to be.
Had she been a reasonable level-headed woman, she would have tried to persuade Harry not to write and publish this book and not to go down that path, which is totally alienating himself from his family. Even to the point of threatening with divorce.
She didn't and she has clearly contributed to this book and to the things Harry has said in the interviews.

 

[Sunnystar]

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I think they're going to have to tread very lightly when it comes to any efforts to get Harry committed, otherwise Meghan is going to gain full custody of Archie & Lili. It might make more sense to invite the entire family to the coronation and take action while they're in the UK, but who knows?

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