What the law actually says is that people in the line of succession have to obtain consent from the monarch given in the Council of State to get married, or else the person who is getting married and the descendants of the marriage forefeit their succession rights. And there is an unwritten precedent set by King Frederik IX that consent can be conditional. For example, in Princess Benedikte's case, when her marriage was consented to, a condition for her children to remain in the line of succession was that they be raised in Denmark, which ultimately did not happen. It is debatable, however, if conditional consent is legal or not.
In any case, the law does not say anything about titles, which are a personal prerogative of the monarch. In the past, all persons in the line of succession were princes and they would lose their titles when they were excluded from the succession due to an unconsented marriage. If Nikolai and Felix were not given official consent to marry, whether they remained princes or not, the main fact is that they would lose their succession rights according to the law, which is far worse in my opinion than losing an HH.
I don't believe I ever claimed that the law specifies anything about the titles.
No, but I don't think Mbruno's post suggested that you did. As your post happened to mention law and precedent, it was a suitable opportunity for a clarification for all the readers of the thread about what the law actually specifies, which I greatly appreciated since it is a topic on which misinformation is rife. (On other forums, there have been plenty of comments falsely claiming that all male-line descendants of monarchs have a "right" to be Princes of Denmark and that not even monarchs(!) have the right to strip them.)
On that topic, here is a link to the present Act of Succession, which, as Mbruno explained, deals only with rights to the throne, not to titles.
https://english.stm.dk/media/8875/the-act-of-succession-of-march-27.pdf
Previously I posted a royal cabinet order of 1774 which has been the subject of frequent false claims that it entitles all male-line descendants of monarchs to be Princes of Denmark. In reality, it dealt only with the titles of HH and HRH, as used by princes and princesses who belong to the Royal House, and, as it is merely a cabinet order and not an Act of Parliament, it may be overturned by subsequent monarchs/governments.
https://www.theroyalforums.com/foru...nts-2008-and-2022-a-16845-29.html#post2496700
Exactly.
And there is another layer to this.
Look at what's happening in UK and Norway. Race is the biggest issue in the media currently in western world, even problems and issues that have nothing to do with it are (deliberately by certain people and media) being presented as racial.
Now imagine Nikolai or Felix announcing engagement to a lady of mixed race origin. MII, royal family, court, monarchy and Danish society would immediately be accused of racism if the princes were to lose the titles upon marriage.
Even though we all know that race isn't an issue in DRF (just remember Alexandra).
A very good point. Nikolai and Felix are themselves mixed-race through Alexandra. It is likely they will marry earlier than their younger half-siblings, and while the family's original expectation that they would be stripped of their titles upon marriage would be consistent with the treatment of past generations' children of younger sons, someone could choose to present it as targeted towards them or their mother, no matter whom they married.
Even in a scenario such as their half-brother Henrik marrying a bride who is of completely western European ancestry, a royal couple or their supporters could always find some other grounds for accusations of bigotry against her. One only needs to notice the hostility directed by supporters or fans of many different royals, from various monarchies and various backgrounds, against people who are perceived as critical or obstructive of said royals. The specific accusations differ from case to case, but the aggression is the same.
Durek's race is, with a few exceptions, not the focus of the domestic coverage of the issue of him marrying Märtha Louise with the media instead rightly focusing on all the lunatic claims he's so happy to share with the world to make some money keep. If anything him being American is a tougher nut to swallow than the colour of his skin.
Durek Verrett himself has repeatedly stated in strong terms that his race is the reason for Norwegians' attention to and low opinions of his professional claims.
[Denmark is] not a country that has a tendency to make ants out of molehills and false accusations of racism by a hurt prince would not be taken lightly by neither the establishment nor by the public.
That the Monpezat title issue turned into such a circus was because some of those involved couldn't stop talking to pot-stirring members of the media coupled with the public genuinely feeling that it had all been handled badly by the family/court.
Did you mean to say "would be taken lightly" (as not taking it lightly would imply taking it seriously)?
I'm not sure I understand your conclusion from the recent title issues. To me it has demonstrated that hurt Danish princes who go public with accusations are already taken seriously, even without any implications of racism being involved.
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The supposed views of US media [...]
I'd say it is a well-supported supposition because, as ppetrica mentioned, we have the current examples of the UK and Norway as evidence of how the US media treats accusation of racism involving European monarchies.
In fact, knowing the Danes, if they even cared they'd pride themselves of behaving exactly opposite of what the US media thinks.
You are much more knowledgeable about Danish society than I am, but on the other hand, I am fairly sure that in 2015, most TRF posters would have said exactly the same about the UK. As we have seen, it emerged as more complicated than that: While there remains a distinct difference between the behavior and reactions of the media and the public in the UK and US, there has also been a considerable focus on and influence from the US in the UK discourse.
Besides, as I said to ppetrica, it would not necessarily need to be race - a prince or his wife who resented the loss of the title, or their fans amongst the public, could always find alternative rationalizations to claim that they are being personally targeted.
The only adult Prince "hit" with the loss of a title so far was Prince Johan Friso. The same will happen might Amalia, Alexia or Ariane decide not to request an Act of Consent (like their uncle Johan Friso, like their great-aunts Irene and Christina) or lose the membership of the Royal House in another way. Then they will cease to be a Princess of the Netherlands. Actually that was a long-standing policy in Denmark as well. See the many Counts and Countesses of Rosenborg.
Under the Royal House Act 2002, Alexia and Ariane will automatically lose their membership and their title Princess of the Netherlands if and when, as is likely, a child of Amalia ascends the throne. I hope the law will be revised before that happens.
All over Europe this is now the case with royal families.
True, but with the exception of King Juan Carlos I of Spain in 1987, the other monarchs have not stripped titles from adult members of their family.
But you are quite correct that nearly all European monarchies have taken measures to reduce the number of titled family members as well as the number of family members who enjoy a public role (and in the Scandinavian monarchies, the two are interlinked). Which is why, though I understand the criticisms of the Queen for the execution or timing of the change, I see it very differently in regard to those who insist that all of Nikolai, Felix, and Henrik's future male-line descendants should be Princes to Denmark ad infinitum and criticize the Queen for the very principle of keeping the Royal House compact, which is neither new to Denmark nor out of the ordinary in Europe in 2022.
If she did it now (just after queen Elizaberh passed away!) to avoid Frederik starting his reign with such an internal family struggle! I'd say she is indeed doingbit to secure the future of the monarchy, which lies with Frederik and not with her. She took a blow for the team...
Not a way to look forward the start of the new year for Joachim's kids. Don't they run this by QMII first before the Webmaster presses the enter key on the update? 
