Netflix Docu-Series of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex (2022)

[JR76]

He complained more than once about being cut off by his father (in his mid 30s) and there are plenty of stories that Charles stopped taking his calls because he was tired of always being asked for money, albeit this is allegedly.

Not allegedly. Harry said in the Oprah interview that Charles had stopped taking his calls.

 

[Hallo girl]

I am sure a Harry just didn’t ever consider being cut off. I mean they don’t even carry their own money. What did he know, he was born and had everything provided to him. I am sure now that his father would still have been covering his costs from Lancaster.

I think that is a valid point, he just never considered it, or at least they originally said they would drop the sovereign grant which was a very small percentage of his income, which therefore suggests he assumed his father would continue to provide financial support.

If they had not left they would continue to receive support from the King from the Duchy of Lancaster.

 

[Royalist.in.NC]

According to this article in The Times, Harry and Meghan now want to sit down with the family to address the issues raised in the Netflix series. They apparently feel they are owed an apology for how they were treated.

Wow! And when do THEY plan to apologize for the Sussex Royal manifesto, the Oprah interview, and the Netflix series? ?

BTW, if you didn’t already know, you can rate the series up or down on the Netflix site.

 

[Royalist.in.NC]

Just like we have discussed it in circles here.

I know what the media is like , and I am not disputing that some of the headlines were pretty unpleasant.

I just want somebody to tell me what the family did to them that was so bad that they had to leave in the first place.

IMHO it is because they wanted HIHO - and still do on some levels.

 

[Hallo girl]

IMHO it is because they wanted HIHO - and still do on some levels.

You are probably correct, that would be the deal, we will shut up if we can come to the various events and do the HIHO

 

[FigTree]

Not allegedly. Harry said in the Oprah interview that Charles had stopped taking his calls.

The alleged part is that he did so because Harry kept talking about money and because he shouted all the time…ironic. Again allegedly from sources.

 

[Somebody]

I am still trying to figure out which 'stakes are too high' - given that that was offered as the rationale for this whole Netflix series.

 

[Curbside]

I am still trying to figure out which 'stakes are too high' - given that that was offered as the rationale for this whole Netflix series.

I think that comment was put together in post production.

 

[Fem]

If you believe they’ve been horribly treated by the media, then why on earth would you trust the inaccurate reporting to form an opinion on them? I don’t get it. The BM created the inaccurate narrative about this couple and I don’t understand why anyone would go along with it.

But does one need the "inaccurate reporting" to form an opinion?

I think Harry and Meghan are giving people enough reason to dislike them without ever reading anything about them. Because sure, there are tabloid stories that are clearly negative (though, sometimes, it doesn't equal untrue), but also we have heard A LOT directly from the Sussexes. In their own words. Under their control.

What did we learn from this docu-series?

1. The main thing for me - that they lie, if they want to "fix" an uncomfortable fact or create a different image of themselves. Like Meghan conveniently forgetting she already told the story of meeting the Queen and how Fergie was practicing the curtsey with her (interview with Oprah). We also got two different stories about how the couple got engaged (one in the docu-series and one in the engagement interview).

2. They are feeling entitled - to the money from Charles (mentioned once in Oprah interview and for the second time in the docu-series), to having paid-for protection, which Harry thought would not be taken away from them.

3. They are not above throwing people under the bus - even knowing that these people cannot respond. One would have thought that especially those two, so enraged by being silenced by the institution, would have some sympathy for people on the inside, who would not be allowed to respond and have their case presented to the public. But no, big bad William and cold, uncaring Catherine are completely fair targets for these two.
4. They twist and spin the facts - who can forget the whole "we got married three days before our wedding" issue that could've cost Justin Welby his position as the Archbishop of Canterbury. But we also have Meghan one time saying she didn't know anything about Harry, and now that she looked through his insta feed. The couple explaining they met on a blind date - but please tell me, how many blind dates are actually requested by one of the participants?

5. They can't admit to making mistakes - or take accountability for absolutely anything. If you took only their own words you would think those two are angels who never did anything wrong or incorrectly. Hell, they don't even want to talk about issues that might be slightly uncomfortable. There was no mention about the specifics of Meghan being criticized for using private planes, or explanation about how they had, going into negotiation with the family, a website ready, presenting their views on how the further cooperation should look like.

And that is only based on the things the couple talked about in their own words, but the docu-series has plenty of other issues, like attacking the Commonwealth and creating a completely false view of it, cutting up the Queen's 21st birthday speech, using footage completely not connected to the couple or even a photo of Harry... with Chelsy. It wonderfully combines with the footage of Harry talking about how dangerous misinformation is, doesn't it?

Are they responsible for it? Well, Archwell is. And that is their production company, so IMHO they should be also held responsible for the final product they are putting forward.

 

[HighGoalHighDreams]

Someone will have to correct me, but didn't Meghan say or imply that the couple were not portrayed how they wanted to be in this story in an interview before it aired? If so, I am curious how it portrayed them as opposed to how they it would.

 

[yukari]

But does one need the "inaccurate reporting" to form an opinion?

I think Harry and Meghan are giving people enough reason to dislike them without ever reading anything about them. Because sure, there are tabloid stories that are clearly negative (though, sometimes, it doesn't equal untrue), but also we have heard A LOT directly from the Sussexes. In their own words. Under their control.

What did we learn from this docu-series?

1. The main thing for me - that they lie, if they want to "fix" an uncomfortable fact or create a different image of themselves. Like Meghan conveniently forgetting she already told the story of meeting the Queen and how Fergie was practicing the curtsey with her (interview with Oprah). We also got two different stories about how the couple got engaged (one in the docu-series and one in the engagement interview).

2. They are feeling entitled - to the money from Charles (mentioned once in Oprah interview and for the second time in the docu-series), to having paid-for protection, which Harry thought would not be taken away from them.

3. They are not above throwing people under the bus - even knowing that these people cannot respond. One would have thought that especially those two, so enraged by being silenced by the institution, would have some sympathy for people on the inside, who would not be allowed to respond and have their case presented to the public. But no, big bad William and cold, uncaring Catherine are completely fair targets for these two.
4. They twist and spin the facts - who can forget the whole "we got married three days before our wedding" issue that could've cost Justin Welby his position as the Archbishop of Canterbury. But we also have Meghan one time saying she didn't know anything about Harry, and now that she looked through his insta feed. The couple explaining they met on a blind date - but please tell me, how many blind dates are actually requested by one of the participants?

5. They can't admit to making mistakes - or take accountability for absolutely anything. If you took only their own words you would think those two are angels who never did anything wrong or incorrectly. Hell, they don't even want to talk about issues that might be slightly uncomfortable. There was no mention about the specifics of Meghan being criticized for using private planes, or explanation about how they had, going into negotiation with the family, a website ready, presenting their views on how the further cooperation should look like.

And that is only based on the things the couple talked about in their own words, but the docu-series has plenty of other issues, like attacking the Commonwealth and creating a completely false view of it, cutting up the Queen's 21st birthday speech, using footage completely not connected to the couple or even a photo of Harry... with Chelsy. It wonderfully combines with the footage of Harry talking about how dangerous misinformation is, doesn't it?

Are they responsible for it? Well, Archwell is. And that is their production company, so IMHO they should be also held responsible for the final product they are putting forward.

Or maybe it's us (and the rest of the world) who have misunderstood their words. The way she re-define "archetype" into "stereotype", it's possible they have different definition of words than us. You see, when she said they "married" 3 days prior, it's not "marriage" as in "legal union between two persons" as most of us would think, but in their dictionary it could be "spiritual unification between two souls blessed by the universe" or something. Same with "blind date". And technically she said she didn't google him and Instagram is not Google.

Try checking some of her fanpages, their mental acrobatics to justify/explain M&H's words and past actions are really astounding. In this NF show, both of them admit that they read social media, right? And we know that they have interacted with some of their staunch fans so maybe it's also factored in how they think of their super awesomeness and stocking their justification.

 

[US Royal Watcher]

Very interesting discussion - as always.

Problem is, any mediator that is put forward by either side will be seen as prejudiced against the other side. There is no way a perfectly neutral mediator can be found. Even he/she is neutral, it will never be believed as such by one of the sides.

Perhaps Harry misspoke when he wanted a "mediator," which is not the same as a counselor. A mediator helps two sides come to an agreement about something specific. For example, if the issue is how much money they should get from Charles, a mediator would help them come to an agreement on that issue.

But mediation is only appropriate if both sides have a reasonable argument that they are entitled to something. In this case, Harry and Meghan are adults and Charles doesn't have to give them money. It's not a divorce in which both sides have a legal claim to property or child custody. You don't get a mediator involved if your adult children decide that you should support their lifestyle.

On the other hand, the family would probably benefit from working with a good counselor, who wouldn't take sides but rather would help everyone better understand each other's wants and needs. This understanding would hopefully help the family resolve their differences. The problem is that both sides have to be prepared to admit that they aren't perfect, which I think Charles is willing to do but I don't see any indication that Harry and Meghan are.

 

[HRHHermione]

Very interesting discussion - as always.







Perhaps Harry misspoke when he wanted a "mediator," which is not the same as a counselor. A mediator helps two sides come to an agreement about something specific. For example, if the issue is how much money they should get from Charles, a mediator would help them come to an agreement on that issue.



But mediation is only appropriate if both sides have a reasonable argument that they are entitled to something. In this case, Harry and Meghan are adults and Charles doesn't have to give them money. It's not a divorce in which both sides have a legal claim to property or child custody. You don't get a mediator involved if your adult children decide that you should support their lifestyle.



On the other hand, the family would probably benefit from working with a good counselor, who wouldn't take sides but rather would help everyone better understand each other's wants and needs. This understanding would hopefully help the family resolve their differences. The problem is that both sides have to be prepared to admit that they aren't perfect, which I think Charles is willing to do but I don't see any indication that Harry and Meghan are.

I agree. It’s also hard to imagine the family putting themselves in a position where they do this knowing that if it doesn’t go the way the Sussex couple wants, they very well may sell another book or interview about it. There’s no trust.

 

[Lilyflo]

A lot of what comes across in this documentary is the couple's frustration at not being able to do what they wanted to do, in the way they wanted to do it and according to their own timescale. Although I agree with others that some of this is due to Meghan's drive and ambition, it has to be acknowledged that Harry's frustration was already deeply ingrained before he met her. He was pushing hard to make an impact himself while he was still relevant (ie before George became 18) and often being thwarted by aides and William, who had longer term strategies.

If anyone wants background knowledge of how Harry's impatient, impulsive character was well formed long before Meghan, I highly recommend Valentine Lowe's book 'Courtiers'. Here's a relevant extract, which I think resonates with the Netflix documentary:

Harry would get frustrated when he could not do what he wanted to do, such as going to Africa and doing work on the ground with conservation organisations. There would be fantastic pictures that could go on Instagram, he would argue, and they could be placed with National Geographic. "Why can't I do that?" he would say. And William would feel his own frustration, arguing that "It has been five or six years working towards this; it is much more than just putting Instagram posts out."

 

[tommy100]

I think trust is the big issue at the moment. I don't know but I would think the RF must have been aware H&M had cameras with them - when they visited the Queen at Windsor before Invictus didn't they roll out after in a fleet of cars that suggested it was certainly more than H&M? Seeing that must have made the RF wary, likewise, now we see Harry talking as he goes to his grandfather's funeral, highlighting when his brother is texting him after the Oprah interview, even Eugenie being shown in clips (which I assume she agreed to) but still creates the idea to the RF that anything and everything they so or do MAY end up in another series. No one is going to sit down and talk it all through being 100% honest if there isn't trust. IMO that trust has to be built by H&M now, they have to show they are either done with TV shows like this or done using the RF in TV shows and that anything said going forward is kept in the family. They also have to accept that the RF can't control newspapers reporting on "what the royals are thinking" and "sources close to the Royal Family say" but likewise the RF have to do make it clear to their friends and staff that there will be no commenting on H&M, no leaks, nothing to say going forward. William, so it is said, has already told his friends he doesn't want any response from them.

Until there is trust no one is going to sit down and say anything to them IMO.

 

[camelot23ca]

I think trust is the big issue at the moment. I don't know but I would think the RF must have been aware H&M had cameras with them - when they visited the Queen at Windsor before Invictus didn't they roll out after in a fleet of cars that suggested it was certainly more than H&M? Seeing that must have made the RF wary, likewise, now we see Harry talking as he goes to his grandfather's funeral, highlighting when his brother is texting him after the Oprah interview, even Eugenie being shown in clips (which I assume she agreed to) but still creates the idea to the RF that anything and everything they so or do MAY end up in another series. No one is going to sit down and talk it all through being 100% honest if there isn't trust. IMO that trust has to be built by H&M now, they have to show they are either done with TV shows like this or done using the RF in TV shows and that anything said going forward is kept in the family. They also have to accept that the RF can't control newspapers reporting on "what the royals are thinking" and "sources close to the Royal Family say" but likewise the RF have to do make it clear to their friends and staff that there will be no commenting on H&M, no leaks, nothing to say going forward. William, so it is said, has already told his friends he doesn't want any response from them.

Until there is trust no one is going to sit down and say anything to them IMO.

I think the lack of trust is going to be hard to overcome. Even if Meghan and Harry were suddenly completely on board and enthusiastic about reconciling with the BRF - which I don’t believe they are - it’s hard to have honest discussions about such serious and emotional issues if you don’t have any expectation of privacy.

It’s one thing to not be petty and not retaliate in the face of these public attacks, but the Royal Family, Charles and william in particular, would be setting themselves up for trouble if they engaged with Harry and Meghan now.

The Sussexes didn’t have one slip where they lashed out under stress - that would be bad enough, but it would be easier to overcome as long as they came to recognize that they were wrong. But they’ve been selling the family out for years now and there’s no indication they plan on stopping.

I can’t imagine what it must be like to have your son or brother doing this, but I think I’d insist on a long cooling off period before I’d start any genuine discussions. If Harry and Meghan could go, say, a year without publicly discussing the BRF I’d cautiously begin opening up. And even then reconciliation would be a very cautious and gradual process.

 

[wartenberg7]

What a greedy couple...! I hope the RF never seriously considers to apologise to these two... I pray they stay where they are not to mess up the coronation !

 

[Toledo]

Problem is, any mediator that is put forward by either side will be seen as prejudiced against the other side. There is no way a perfectly neutral mediator can be found. Even he/she is neutral, it will never be believed as such by one of the sides.

H&M don't need a mediator, they need to move on with their lives. Shame on Harry, a grown man, for using the media to whine about family problems in his head. Guess what Harry, every family on the planet has some drama. We all move on and outgrow it as we age.

The latest news says now the couple want a sit-down with the family and an apology. The level of their delusion and entitlement is unprecedented except when you connect the dots and see this is an attempt to a follow up Netflix series.

Meghan, more than Harry, wants to run this plane into the ground and force her in-laws to acknowledge their passive aggressive trolling. Same thing Meghan's relatives did to her she is now doing to King Charles, William and Kate. The H&M couple seems to want Charles or William to get into a public mud wrestling of words with them, that can be marketed as a follow up USA TV series for the highest bidder.

I'm so disappointed at this couple. We expected better of them, both of them. And we see now that from the start she had a TV show running in the background from the moment she started documenting with a photographer every day since she became involved with the Windsors.

King Charles should just go ahead and invite them to the crowning. And when the ceremony is over tell them in person the train stops here, you are both un-Ducalized so go and run to Oprah to complain about it!

 

[suztav]

H&M don't need a mediator, they need to move on with their lives. Shame on Harry, a grown man, for using the media to whine about family problems in his head. Guess what Harry, every family in the planet has some drama. We all move on and outgrow it as we age.

The latest news says now the couple want a sit-down with the family and an apology. The level of their delusion and entitlement is unprecedented except when you connect the dots and see this is an attempt to a follow up Netflix series.

Meghan, more than Harry, wants to run this plane into the ground and force her in-laws to acknowledge their passive aggressive trolling. Same thing Meghan's relatives did to her she is now doing to King Charles, William and Kate. The H&M couple seems to want Charles or William to get into a public mud wrestling of words with them, that can be marketed as a follow up USA TV series for the highest bidder.

I'm so disappointed at this couple. We expected better of them, both of them. And we see now that from the start she had a TV show running in the background from the moment she started documenting with a photographer every day since she became involved with the Windsors.

King Charles should just go ahead and invite them to the crowning. And when the ceremony is over tell them in person the train stops here, you are both un-Ducalized so go and run to Oprah to complain about it!

I agree --- the fact that they were documenting every move is suspicious that they (at least, initially, she) never had any intention of remaining working royals.

How could Charles ever trust them again?

Going to the coronation -- my gut says don't invite them. However, I think Charles should take a page out of his mother's book --- do the right thing. Invite them and let them hang themselves if they dare to reject the invitation or if they attempt to bring a camera crew with them.

I can't imagine Harry pledging allegiance to his father (I assume he would have to do so after Wiliam) when he has trashed the royal family. JMHO

 

[FigTree]

King Charles should just go ahead and invite them to the crowning. And when the ceremony is over tell them in person the train stops here, you are both un-Ducalized so go and run to Oprah to complain about it!

You think a 74 year old man is that immature?

He won't do anything. What seems to be increasingly coming out is that Harry was always demanding this or that and didn't like the word no. And really wanted to do what he wanted. They just contained and controlled it well. Then he met Meghan and they fuelled eachother.

They need to walk away and not engage. Horrendous as it is that is what addicts families need to do to help them and the people. Harry and Meghan need to be forced into the future they wanted and be encouraged to build their lives and just enjoy all the things they have.

There is nothing wrong with being really wealthy and just giving money to charity. It's better than doing all these podcasts, TV etc when really they have no discernable talent and after the curiosity it becomes embarassing.

Problem is how do they keep money. In the end, I figure the royals will pay them through the back door...never enough though.

 

[Denville]

H&M don't need a mediator, they need to move on with their lives. Shame on Harry, a grown man, for using the media to whine about family problems in his head. Guess what Harry, every family in the planet has some drama. We all move on and outgrow it as we age.


King Charles should just go ahead and invite them to the crowning. And when the ceremony is over tell them in person the train stops here, you are both un-Ducalized so go and run to Oprah to complain about it!

Charles cannot remove the Dukedom and he is not goign to take away their HRH

 

[Alison H]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertain...sedgntp&cvid=f6a08c12c487493bba747a8a47c698c0

Ingrid Seward, the former editor of Majesty magazine, says that the rest of the Royal Family are being supportive of William over Harry and Meghan's latest nastiness, and applaud him for not stooping to their level.

 

[SirGyamfi1]

They are only now demanding an apology because of the Ngozi and Lady Susan Hussey situation and are saying that there was no accountability and apology for them and they want the same as well. These two really cannot reflect on their very foolish behavior and have the nerve to demand an apology? This is funny to me! Are they forgetful or just plain stupid or playing stupid?

 

[SirGyamfi1]

You think a 74 year old man is that immature?

He won't do anything. What seems to be increasingly coming out is that Harry was always demanding this or that and didn't like the word no. And really wanted to do what he wanted. They just contained and controlled it well. Then he met Meghan and they fuelled eachother.

They need to walk away and not engage. Horrendous as it is that is what addicts families need to do to help them and the people. Harry and Meghan need to be forced into the future they wanted and be encouraged to build their lives and just enjoy all the things they have.

There is nothing wrong with being really wealthy and just giving money to charity. It's better than doing all these podcasts, TV etc when really they have no discernable talent and after the curiosity it becomes embarassing.

Problem is how do they keep money. In the end, I figure the royals will pay them through the back door...never enough though.

I really don’t see how he would be immature for doing if that if he did. There’s always something popping up with the Sussexes and if I were KCIII, I’d say those two should stay in exile in America, they made their beds so they will have to lay on it for a long time. But I see the sense in Charles taking the high road because the constant veiled threats and digs and cringeworthy documentaries are too annoying and is an attempt of turning into a upper class version of Jeremy Kyle show.

 

[FigTree]

I really don’t see how he would be immature for doing if that if he did. There’s always something popping up with the Sussexes and if I were KCIII, I’d say those two should stay in exile in America, they made their beds so they will have to lay on it for a long time. But I see the sense in Charles taking the high road because the constant veiled threats and digs and cringeworthy documentaries are too annoying and is an attempt of turning into a upper class version of Jeremy Kyle show.

It would all be reactionary because really nothing they say matters. There’s no proof and nothing will stick. The journalist that leaked the Megsxit story denies it came from Charles. Anyone could understand a family shouting at you over the whole thing at the Sandringham summit.

 

[Curbside]

I think the lack of trust is going to be hard to overcome. Even if Meghan and Harry were suddenly completely on board and enthusiastic about reconciling with the BRF - which I don’t believe they are - it’s hard to have honest discussions about such serious and emotional issues if you don’t have any expectation of privacy.

It’s one thing to not be petty and not retaliate in the face of these public attacks, but the Royal Family, Charles and william in particular, would be setting themselves up for trouble if they engaged with Harry and Meghan now.

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Neither would the Sussexes have any expectation of privacy. Even now, the RF see no reason to protect Meghan against written attacks from journalists. Instead. They invite the press to fancy lunches and dance with one of the main perpetrators of smear campaigns against H and M.

Is it too much to condemn the likes of Jeremy what’s his face bizarre misogynoir attack on Meghan?

 

[tihkon2]

Neither would the Sussexes have any expectation of privacy. Even now, the RF see no reason to protect Meghan against written attacks from journalists. Instead. They invite the press to fancy lunches and dance with one of the main perpetrators of smear campaigns against H and M.

Is it too much to condemn the likes of Jeremy what’s his face bizarre misogynoir attack on Meghan?

That's 2 different issues. But to answer the first, The Royal Family doesn't report on private conversations with Harry and Meghan, so those two would have every expectation of privacy.

 

[Curbside]

Meghan is (still) an American. Why should she not have a baby shower in America? Perhaps if Harry’s friends and their WAGs (; ) ) had made an effort to welcome the wife of their friend the Prince, she might have had a shower somewhere in the UK. Is it okay to have an over the top lavish lifestyle (a la Oprah, Serena, Amal) only if you have inherited it through many generations, instead of earning it? Certainly the BRF doesn’t seem to mind living large.

Thank you for saying this!

 

[TLLK]

Neither would the Sussexes have any expectation of privacy. Even now, the RF see no reason to protect Meghan against written attacks from journalists. Instead. They invite the press to fancy lunches and dance with one of the main perpetrators of smear campaigns against H and M.

Is it too much to condemn the likes of Jeremy what’s his face bizarre misogynoir attack on Meghan?

Clarkson is facing such condemnation in the UK and abroad, that it really isn't necessary for the BRF to become involved. They rarely step in to these types of negative articles because either there is such universal disapproval or the individual's employer takes action. For example former BBC Danny Baker was fired by the company after posting that awful cartoon of then Baby Sussex prior to his birth.

Also it is worth noting that the Sussexes have their own communications team much like they did when they were still part of the working BRF group. We all know that the couple are perfectly capable of voicing their disapproval and would not hesitate to seek legal action if necessary.

 

[Curbside]

Wow! And when do THEY plan to apologize for the Sussex Royal manifesto, the Oprah interview, and the Netflix series? ?

BTW, if you didn’t already know, you can rate the series up or down on the Netflix site.

What was the source for this story? Let’s say the Sussexes want to have this summit. Who would have known about this request and how do you suppose The Times would get this info? Wouldn’t it have to have been leaked?