Marius Borg Høiby News & Current Events Part 1: December 2023 -

[polyesco]

So Mette-Marit quickly cleans, lest people think her son is a slob. Sorry but this is laughable. Evidence was being destroyed/hidden.
We have a Crown Princess who believes she is above the law.
And where was Haakon during this time?
Mette-Marit gets informed and rushes over to clean, did she call Haakon?
Was Haakon informed and he just buries his head? Does he know what happened to the sim card?

 

[LadyFinn]

Se og Hør points out that Marius' statements in the interrogations are intended to draw Mette-Marit into the case. He denies that he has removed the SIM card himself, and during the half hour in question there are not many other options...
Se og Hør has asked the Palace a number of questions, including whether Mette-Marit witnessed Marius smashing the phone and possibly removing the SIM card, why Mette-Marit cleaned Marius' house before the arrest, and whether she removed anything from her son's residence. And if she removed drugs. They haven't got answers.

Marius trekker mamma inn i saken

Mye skjedde i halvtimen før Marius Borg Høiby ble pågrepet ved Skaugum. Hvem tok ut SIM-kortet fra mobilen hans? Fjernet mamma bevis før politiets ankomst? Marius har sin versjon. Slottet nekter å svare.

www.seher.no

 

[Healthy Sceptic]

That's a good point, he could be trying to make her the guilty party because she has immunity. Hiding under mother's petticoats, some gangster

Say what you will about the yellow press, they have no scruples to be sure, but that includes digging more deeply into stories than more conservative/mainstream papers would feel comfortable with. Which means that they get to the nitty gritty of issues. The constant agitation by Se og Hør is good, otherwise I'm afraid the story would likely be hushed up by the powers that be.

 

[kalnel]

Trying throwing your phone against a wall in a fit of rage. It will break and the SIM will pop out. (If it doesn’t break, ask a fit 20-something coked up man to throw it in a rage. Bet the SIM pops out then.)

My bet is Marius, who says he has anger issues, hurled the phone after the police called and said they were arresting him. He doesn’t strike me as a strategic thinker — nor does his mother — so I have a hard time picturing them carefully ditching the SIM card.

Besides, this is all a sideshow. The police need to move forward with the prosecution.

 

[stunking]

So much speculation, we will have to wait for the trial for the truth to come out. I think it was a big mistake for MM to go to his house and call the woman if that is true. As someone said you have to want to get better before anything will work for you.

 

[fabaunty]

With all due respect to Norway's laws , the police should have arrested Marius immediately whether he was on crown lands or not . With his known history , albeit covered up at MM's decree by the press etc , this is a farce of an investigation . Any sympathy I had for MM due to her illness has now gone , she , the NRF , and the "free " press . have covered up for the behaviour of this , self admitted , domestic abuser , alcoholic , drug addict for almost a decade , I do not absolve the police for their inaction . Perhaps if Marius and MM / the NRF had been publicly put in the position of facing his behaviour earlier , he might have taken a different path . We cannot say , hindsight is a wonderful thing . I absolutely 100% believe in the premise of innocent until proven guilty ,but by their own words both Marius and the press are guilty , as to MM / NRF well , inaction has its own effect , as does "cleaning " your 27yr old sons house before driving him to "chat" with the police .

 

[LadyFinn]

No one admits to having notified the court of the arrest
The Palace confirmed on Friday that the police notified the Royal Court, and the court then informed the CP couple about "an incident involving Marius and about a possible arrest".
VG asked the Palace whether they stand by the statement that it was the police who notified of a possible arrest, as the Oslo police district, POD and PST deny having given them the information. Press contact Sara Svanemyr wrote in an email that they have no further comments.
(..)

Ingen vil vedkjenne seg å ha varslet kronprinsesse Mette-Marit

Hvem sto bak varslingen om at Marius Borg Høiby skulle pågripes?

www.vg.no

 

[polyesco]

So either the Palace is lying or the Police.
Someone alerted the Crown Princess. Friends in high places indeed.

And lets not forget the arrest was not about drugs but about Marius beating up to his girlfriend to the point she needed hospitalization. And Mette-Marit was concerned about a clean house, sure.

 

[suztav]

Just jail him already and get him into an intensive detox program. This is just ridiculous. MM isn't helping her son at all. Face reality and deal with it!

 

[Alisa]

Mette-Marit should be arrested and interrogated. From all accounts- and certainly the word of her own son it definetely seems that Mette-Marit tampered with evidence.

 

[kalnel]

Mette-Marit should be arrested and interrogated. From all accounts- and certainly the word of her own son it definetely seems that Mette-Marit tampered with evidence.

Since we don't know that she did anything, and the police have not searched Marius' house looking for evidence, that would be a huge leap.

 

[fabaunty]

Since we don't know that she did anything, and the police have not searched Marius' house looking for evidence, that would be a huge leap.

Since it has now been several months since the initial "chat" between Marius and the "investigating " officers I sincerely doubt that there would be any evidence to find , after all 30 minutes after communicating with the police Marius's phone was "damaged , and its sim card disappeared . However during their search of the hunting lodge he was staying in with "friends" after his Italian holiday allegedly substances were found . Yes MM has not been questioned formally , as I have stated "innocent until proven guilty ". Personally I hope that MM did nothing more than tidy up her 27yr old sons house , believing that the police might shortly search it , wanting to give the impression that a responsible adult lived there . Unfortunately, thanks to the press now going full on " mea culpa " due to having being caught out covering up Marius's various "escapades" MM and the NRF are now finding themselves dealing with the backlash .

 

[polyesco]

"According to NRK's information, Høiby has explained that the SIM card was in his phone earlier the same day, but that he does not know who took it out of the phone or where it is now....According to what NRK is informed, he is said to have explained that his mother started cleaning the house while he was in the shower."

Opplysningar til NRK: Marius Borg Høiby har forklart at det ikkje var han som fjerna SIM-kort

Sonen til kronprinsesse Mette-Marit skal ha forklart at han ikkje veit kven som tok ut SIM-kortet frå telefonen hans eller kor det er no, ifølgje NRKs opplysningar.

www-nrk-no.translate.goog

Well it certainly sounds like Marius is throwing his mother under the bus (knowing she won't be questioned.)
Yes, the sim card was in my phone, I went to take a shower while my mother was cleaning and then the sim card is gone. I don't what happened!

 

[Alisa]

Since we don't know that she did anything, and the police have not searched Marius' house looking for evidence, that would be a huge leap.

We do know that that after being informed of the impending arrest that Mette-Marit went to Marius' house to "tidy up ". Marius himself is suggesting that the SIM card disappeared during his mother's time cleaning up. So yes, Mette-Marit needs to be interrogated about what happened to a crucial piece of evidence.

 

[Queen Claude]

We do know that that after being informed of the impending arrest that Mette-Marit went to Marius' house to "tidy up ". Marius himself is suggesting that the SIM card disappeared during his mother's time cleaning up. So yes, Mette-Marit needs to be interrogated about what happened to a crucial piece of evidence.

I agree that if it is "a crucial piece of evidence" then it needs to be pursued further but where is it indicated that this is a crucial piece of evidence?

 

[Muhler]

In any way it is most unfortunate that MM has brought herself in a situation where there is a serious discussion as to whether she has actively obstructed a police investigation. Her previous behavior regarding Marius and the (cowardly IMO) statement by Marius basically sacrificing his mother hasn't exactly helped!
It is a situation that she given her position and experience should not put herself in.
Even if she did nothing but dusting shelves it will remain a serious damage to her reputation and that of the NRF. At best of her exercizing poor judgement.

What is her main prority? Marius?
Or her husband, the NRF and ultimately her daughter?
Because Marius it seems have no problems implicating his own, and terminally ill, mother.
What an admirable young man he is...

 

[Ghost]

The worst thing MM did is that, by her actions, she put the NRF and Marius on conflictual positions.
As much as I can understand her instinct to protect and “help” Marius, I cannot understand how she didn’t think through it to the end where she is damaging her other children with her actions. Is she that stupid?
I remember when my boys were small and there were one or two occasions that I’ve been called at school by the principal for things that happened (using their phone during school recess). I was very careful to admonish the child in question in front of the principal, to pass the message that the problem is taken seriously by us, parents, too. So my child would be not labeled “problem”.

 

[maria-olivia]

Each day , a post but nothing official since August 4th

 

[Chimene]

The worst thing MM did is that, by her actions, she put the NRF and Marius on conflictual positions.
As much as I can understand her instinct to protect and “help” Marius, I cannot understand how she didn’t think through it to the end where she is damaging her other children with her actions. Is she that stupid?
I remember when my boys were small and there were one or two occasions that I’ve been called at school by the principal for things that happened (using their phone during school recess). I was very careful to admonish the child in question in front of the principal, to pass the message that the problem is taken seriously by us, parents, too. So my child would be not labeled “problem”.

Which is the equivalent of my parents “don’t you even dare try to bring shame to our good name”.

 

[SLV]

Perhaps Marius didn't push his mother under the bridge. Perhaps it was MM's idea, knowing the police would be hesitant to question her.

 

[hereditarytitles]

Perhaps Marius didn't push his mother under the bridge. Perhaps it was MM's idea, knowing the police would be hesitant to question her.

Interesting view. That could very well have been her strategy for always and ever protecting her son.

 

[Muhler]

Perhaps Marius didn't push his mother under the bridge. Perhaps it was MM's idea, knowing the police would be hesitant to question her.

That thought has crossed my mind as well, however we will, I believe, never know the answer to that question. Nor do I think we will ever know the truth as to whether MM did actively help Marius remove or destroy potential evidence - fortunately.

 

[LadyFinn]

Last week, the police were asked to question Mette-Marit in the Marius case by Juliane Snekkestad's lawyer. The Oslo police will not say whether this is something they are considering or not.
- There is nothing new when it comes to this, writes press chief Unni T. Grøndal in an e-mail to Nettavisen.
But most Norwegians have no doubts: Mette-Marit should be called in for questioning.
This is the answer of 50,2 % of the respondents in a survey carried out by InFact for Nettavisen. 20,7 % says no and 29,1 % don't know.

Dette sier nordmenn om et politiavhør av kronprinsesse Mette-Marit

– Kongelige bør samarbeide med myndighetene.

www.nettavisen.no

 

[DukeOfWashington]

For whatever it's worth, it does seem MM is forging full steam ahead. Yes she has had sick leave. But she just hosted a lunch with the county governors at the Royal Palace on her own, Haakon didn't even attend (even though he was originally supposed to).

 

[Snowangel]

For whatever it's worth, it does seem MM is forging full steam ahead. Yes she has had sick leave. But she just hosted a lunch with the county governors at the Royal Palace on her own, Haakon didn't even attend (even though he was originally supposed to).

Haakon didn't attend cos of private reasons.

 

[Alisa]

I agree that if it is "a crucial piece of evidence" then it needs to be pursued further but where is it indicated that this is a crucial piece of evidence?

Yes the phone and its contents are a crucial piece of evidence. When Marius was arrested, the officers had a search warrant for the phone and as such they seized the phone with hopes of obtaining it contents. However the phone was damaged and the SIM card was missing. Now we have Marius in essence saying that SIM card disappeared while his mother was "tidying up".

So yes, the Crown Princess should be arrested and interrogated for tampering evidence and obstructing justice. She needs to provide answers about what happened to the SIM card!

 

[hereditarytitles]

Sure, that would be the case with you and me, not being royal. But, doesn't she have immunity because she is a member of the royal family. I know that even diplomats have immunity when it comes to crimes, which IMO is very controversial.
Can she be arrested and interrogated being the CP and future Queen? I don't know royal or Norwegian laws, other members here probably know better.

 

[Muhler]

Sure, that would be the case with you and me, not being royal. But, doesn't she have immunity because she is a member of the royal family. I know that even diplomats have immunity when it comes to crimes, which IMO is very controversial.
Can she be arrested and interrogated being the CP and future Queen? I don't know royal or Norwegian laws, other members here probably know better.

I'd say on a practical level, it would up to the King to decide whether MM should be questioned. In theory he could conduct such a questioning himself (or more likely his lawyers could, or someone appointed by the King, say a Supreme Court judge).
I dare claim that the government and by extension the Parliament can "persuade" the King to let the Crown Princess be questioned.
But of course MM could on her free will let herself be questioned by the police - in order to assist the police with their investigations.

In any way, if there is a demand for questioning MM and it is vocal or official enough, I find it difficult to see how the NRF can refuse it, without another very serious dent in its reputation. Because the signal would be that the NRF, led by the King, consider itself above the law. It would also very likely be interpreted as an indirect admission of guilt.
It is really a Catch 22.

Marius could actually get his mother off the hook by simply admitting that he destroyed the phone and SIM card. And unless he knew there was a warrant on his phone prior to his arrest, I suppose he could get away with it. After all there is no law against destroying your phone if you feel like it. - Alternatively take the rap for destroying potential evidence himself.
But from what I have learned about Marius in this thread I'm not sure he would do that.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Given that every person has the legal right to refuse to be questioned by the police, I wouldn't see it as "above the law" if a member of the Royal House hypothetically exercised that same right.

 

[Somebody]

I am not sure people can refuse to be questioned. They can refuse to answer.