Marius Borg Høiby News & Current Events Part 1: December 2023 -

[fabaunty]

I'm sorry , I firmly believe in "innocent until proven guilty" , in this case however Marius has already PUBLICALY admitted his guilt on the initial charges . Ok the Norwegian system is not one I am familiar with , but Marius is obviously a danger not only to himself , but others . Previous therapy has not worked because he "did not take it seriously " . As I understand it , his lawyer is famed for defending "gangsters" , we are all entitled to good legal representation regardless of the charges . No problem there , prince andrew is now spending his time as a grandfather , and riding around Windsor , good lawyers , deep pockets . In the case of Marius, I simply do not understand , why is he happily travelling around , Italy , hunting lodges etc , not a care in the world , popping out to buy new furniture . Is it not only the NRF , but his father who are supporting him financially ? Why is a grown man of 27 , an admitted abuser of at least one woman , taker of hard drug's since his 20's , a serious , serious drinker , a dangerous driver , known associate of criminals , not at least in a secure therapy clinic ?

 

[DukeOfWashington]

Yikes, what a complete and utter disaster. Although I will say, this Marius mess has led me to joining TheRoyalForum! So there's that.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

In regard to the speculations about the Crown Prince Couple's parenting (my view is that while some speculations are reasonable, it is impossible to draw any definitive conclusions):

It is perhaps pertinent to recall that Crown Princess Mette-Marit in her 2017 open letter to the media stated that she had held Marius to different (stricter) standards of behavior than his younger siblings. Thus, those who have concluded that her parenting of Marius was lax should be even more concerned on that account in regards to Ingrid and Magnus, whom she has on her own account parented more permissively than Marius.

"The role [of Marius] has also proved difficult to interpret for people around us in private. Ever since he was tiny. Everything from parents who have come with concerns and well-intentioned advice to teachers who have always had different expectations of Marius for his behavior than of others.
And I'm no better myself. As a mother I often have expectations of Marius for his behavior that are unrealistic, and different than what I would have had of his siblings."

Marius 20 år

Åpent brev fra H.K.H. Kronprinsessen i anledning Marius' 20-årsdag.

www.kongehuset.no

As for Crown Prince Haakon, he spoke in his 50th birthday book about feeling self-conscious about journalists witnessing rather ordinary events in his parenting of Marius, so it seems doubtful that his parenting style was unorthodox or that he is unaware of normal expectations (and for his sake, one hopes he has developed a thicker skin since then).

"Once Marius was three years old, we permanently moved in together. Suddenly Mette had to go do something [?], and there were he and I. He was three and started acting up somewhere. I became uncertain, people stared and probably thought: "That boy doesn't want to be with the crown prince!" But I loved being with Marius."
"I remember an Easter in Sikkilsdalen. We had taken part in the traditional Easter race at Setra. Mette had gone back to the cabin, I was outside with Marius, then he became acutely tired and very unhappy. He laid down and did not want to leave - while the journalists stood filming and taking pictures. Okay, what would the experts do? Well, I solved it my way: "If you come home now, you'll get lots of candy." The journalists heard that. Not my proudest moment."​

Slik er hans forhold til Marius Borg Høiby

I boken som ble gitt ut om han i fjor, forteller kronprins Haakon åpent om hvordan det er å være bonuspappa til Marius Borg Høiby.

www.klikk.no

 

[fabaunty]

In regard to the speculations about the Crown Prince Couple's parenting (my view is that while some speculations are reasonable, it is impossible to draw any definitive conclusions):

It is perhaps pertinent to recall that Crown Princess Mette-Marit in her 2017 open letter to the media stated that she had held Marius to different (stricter) standards of behavior than his younger siblings. Thus, those who have concluded that her parenting of Marius was lax should be even more concerned on that account in regards to Ingrid and Magnus, whom she has on her own account parented more permissively than Marius.

"The role [of Marius] has also proved difficult to interpret for people around us in private. Ever since he was tiny. Everything from parents who have come with concerns and well-intentioned advice to teachers who have always had different expectations of Marius for his behavior than of others.​

And I'm no better myself. As a mother I often have expectations of Marius for his behavior that are unrealistic, and different than what I would have had of his siblings."​

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Marius 20 år

Åpent brev fra H.K.H. Kronprinsessen i anledning Marius' 20-årsdag.

www.kongehuset.no

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As for Crown Prince Haakon, he spoke in his 50th birthday book about feeling self-conscious about journalists witnessing rather ordinary events in his parenting of Marius, so it seems doubtful that his parenting style was unorthodox or that he is unaware of normal expectations (and for his sake, one hopes he has developed a thicker skin since then).​

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"Once Marius was three years old, we permanently moved in together. Suddenly Mette had to go do something [?], and there were he and I. He was three and started acting up somewhere. I became uncertain, people stared and probably thought: "That boy doesn't want to be with the crown prince!" But I loved being with Marius."​

"I remember an Easter in Sikkilsdalen. We had taken part in the traditional Easter race at Setra. Mette had gone back to the cabin, I was outside with Marius, then he became acutely tired and very unhappy. He laid down and did not want to leave - while the journalists stood filming and taking pictures. Okay, what would the experts do? Well, I solved it my way: "If you come home now, you'll get lots of candy." The journalists heard that. Not my proudest moment."​

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Slik er hans forhold til Marius Borg Høiby

I boken som ble gitt ut om han i fjor, forteller kronprins Haakon åpent om hvordan det er å være bonuspappa til Marius Borg Høiby.

www.klikk.no

I'm sorry , but "stricter standards " , Marius has been allowed to host convicted criminals at Skaagum , allowed to take illegal drugs , brushed off the attempted selling of silverware , and frankly IMO the attempted murder of a member of the Norwegian armed forces charged with protecting the NRF . If these are the "stricter standards ", MM has held Marius to , well God help the NRF and Norway . To correct myself , MM did not actually say stricter . just different . It's only Marius , thus far ,who has become a drug / alcohol / gangster / abuser under her and the NRF,s loving care . God help Norway to keep her other children from following their " fun , inspirational brother .

 

[Chimene]

That letter has come back to bite her as it reads to me more like she was just trying to throw them off Marius’ scent. Haakon - that was probably too much reality for a Friday night…how old was he anyway?

Nothing is conclusive at all, and the issues are a lot more understandable than the way they were handled then and now. I’m really flabbergasted by the dereliction of responsibility and duty here.

 

[PhillyMonarchist]

I agree with the idea that the CP couple should have taken steps to deal with Marius, but it sounds to me like they have been trying. After all, Marius himself says he has been to rehab in the past, so they must have confronted him about this previously and tried to get him help.

For all we know, perhaps the reason he has been living at Skaugum was their (failed) attempt to keep him a little closer and, hopefully, out of harm's way.

The fact that MM called one of the victims suggests that they are involved with Marius's life and know his friends. That could be a very concerning thing, since some of his friends allegedly are criminals, but it is a sign that they are engaged with him. (Her call still strikes me as a terrible lapse in judgment, but it's consistent with her other lapses in judgment.)

I'm not concerned about the supposed incident with the guard, since that comes from Marius, who would not be a very credible reporter in my mind. It doesn't take a big leap to imagine him blowing this up to try to seem cool.

The story about the gas card is concerning, because it shows that really bad people are moving freely around the CP family home. The fact that it went undetected for a year isn't surprising, since it could be a card that many have access to. But, we don't know what steps, if any, Haakon or his household manager took once they uncovered the incident.

There's a lot to criticize in terms of how they have or haven't reacted so far, but unless they speak out, we won't know their perspective. (And, I'd still be advising them to remain silent until the whole thing is wrapped up in court.)

do we know what mm call was about?

 

[LadyFinn]

Reputation expert (sociologist/lecturer at Kristiania University College) Trond Blindheim says: Marius' case, full of violence, cocaine and damage creates huge negative headlines. The NRF doesn't understand the extent of the negativity in the people. No matter where they are and what they visit the press is only interested in getting answers about the Marius case. Most people are shocked by what many believe is a lack of equality in front of the law. The NRF has known about his life with criminal friends and cocaine, without having caught on. (..)

- Ingen tilgir det

Kongefamilien er skadeskutt etter Märthas bryllupssirkus og Marius Borg Høibys innrømmelse av rus, vold og skadeverk. Ekspert er usikker på om det gode ryktet kan repareres.

www.seher.no

We'll see what happens next week at the Finnish state visit, if the press shouts questions about Marius.

 

[Prinsara]

It is perhaps pertinent to recall that Crown Princess Mette-Marit in her 2017 open letter to the media stated that she had held Marius to different (stricter) standards of behavior than his younger siblings. Thus, those who have concluded that her parenting of Marius was lax should be even more concerned on that account in regards to Ingrid and Magnus, whom she has on her own account parented more permissively than Marius.

There’s technically nothing in Mette-Marit’s passage saying she was “stricter” with Marius, just that she found herself with unrealistic expectations of him that were different (for no explained reason) than those of his siblings.

Those “unrealistic expectations” could easily be standards for his siblings or peers that Marius couldn’t reach. PR-speak is malleable by nature.

 

[llj]

There’s technically nothing in Mette-Marit’s passage saying she was “stricter” with Marius, just that she found herself with unrealistic expectations of him that were different (for no explained reason) than those of his siblings.

Those “unrealistic expectations” could easily be standards for his siblings or peers that Marius couldn’t reach.

That's the way I took it as well.

 

[Prinsara]

CP Haakon: Well, I solved it my way: "If you come home now, you'll get lots of candy." The journalists heard that. Not my proudest moment."

Additionally, hopefully Haakon did not continue parenting like that for the next twenty-odd years (probably not, since he knows it was the wrong thing to do), but it is funny.

Poor man.

 

[caethi]

I don't see how "different" standards needs to be interpreted as "stricter" standards. Different is different. Marius is not in the line of succession. Mette's two younger children are. That alone would imply that standards are different.

The Norwegian press is losing its collective mind over this issue before all the facts are known and before it is fully played out. Marius is a troubled man who has engaged in criminal behaviour for which he will be held to account by the courts. Maybe the Crown Prince and Princess made mistakes in parenting, but he is an adult now and fully accountable, as long as he is not so mentally ill that he is not criminally responsible. The press loves a juicy story, and they love to see people of privilege mess up. The King is not responsible for Marius' behaviour. As a family member, Marius may be loved, even if his behaviour is considered abhorrent and completely unacceptable to that same family. The guy is messed up but that doesn't necessarily mean the NRF is messed up.

 

[camelot23ca]

The letters to the public and media from Mette Marit that people mention - how long ago was the most recent one?

If it’s been more than a couple of years, well, I assume Marius’s behaviours started sometime in adolescence and escalated over time. I don’t think MM publicly complaining about how the press treated Marius sounds like the best way to address things, but if Marius was younger when she so, then the issues in question may not have been nearly as bad as what they’ve become. A parent wanting privacy for her messed up kid is different than the same parent trying to cover up criminal or violent behavior.

I think there are some problems that are private, and even public families should be able to deal with them (effectively or not) without the press getting involved. There was no true need for the public to have been informed if Marius had issues with drugs or alcohol in his late teens and early 20s, and he was spoiled and spent more time partying than working. Especially since he was never going to be expected to play an official role in the Norwegian RF. Mette Marit wanting privacy and making excuses under those circumstances is understandable. Similarly, if the Norwegian press knew about some of these issues years ago I think they did the correct thing in not reporting on them, once again provided they weren’t looking the other way on things like assault.

 

[Prinsara]

Similarly, if the Norwegian press knew about some of these issues years ago I think they did the correct thing in not reporting on them, once again provided they weren’t looking the other way on things like assault.

I mostly agree, but there’s currently the question of how actively involved he was in distributing drugs, not just recreational use — and when that started.

That’s equally something that can’t be waved away.

 

[kalnel]

The letters to the public and media from Mette Marit that people mention - how long ago was the most recent one?

If it’s been more than a couple of years, well, I assume Marius’s behaviours started sometime in adolescence and escalated over time. I don’t think MM publicly complaining about how the press treated Marius sounds like the best way to address things, but if Marius was younger when she so, then the issues in question may not have been nearly as bad as what they’ve become. A parent wanting privacy for her messed up kid is different than the same parent trying to cover up criminal or violent behavior.

I think there are some problems that are private, and even public families should be able to deal with them (effectively or not) without the press getting involved. There was no true need for the public to have been informed if Marius had issues with drugs or alcohol in his late teens and early 20s, and he was spoiled and spent more time partying than working. Especially since he was never going to be expected to play an official role in the Norwegian RF. Mette Marit wanting privacy and making excuses under those circumstances is understandable. Similarly, if the Norwegian press knew about some of these issues years ago I think they did the correct thing in not reporting on them, once again provided they weren’t looking the other way on things like assault.

With today's announcement that Mette-Marit is stepping back from duties to get lung treatment, she probably won't be in a situation where she has to answer any media questions about Marius for a while -- maybe even until after a trial.

 

[sunflowers]

Agreed with the other comments, there are two different issues with Marius: addiction and being violent. The first doesn’t excuse the second. And agreed, it is not the parents fault.

 

[ladongas]

But can it be proved? He is innocent unless proven guilty.

 

[Chimene]

Marius has already admitted to abusing his girlfriends. Am we imagining that? While everyone is busy protecting him, who’s looking after the wellbeing of his victims?

Logically everyone knows his behavior is not the fault of his parents. But if he’s been “acting up” for a long time or have mental illness or they’ve had endless conversations with him, why wasn’t this turned over to a correction professional?

He is troubled. He was predisposed. I will roll with those arguments, but what I find more concerning is the inaction or the inability to make decisions and find solutions to the issues before people get hurt.

I’ve said in my very first post here that I felt sorry for Mette-Marit and I still do. Especially since her condition has worsened. However, sympathy, understanding, compassion or not, the NRF has a big problem so who’s responsible for that part?

 

[fabaunty]

Obviously I hope MM benefits from her new round of treatment . It was made clear in the original announcement that her condition was life limiting and would greatly impact on her ability to carry out official duties . A devastating blow to her family . As to Marius , I'm sorry but yes his behaviour is the responsibility of his parent's and step parent's and their enabling action's . The facts speak for themselves , rampant hard drug / drink abuse documented from his 20's , associating with criminals in Skaugum , thefts of royal property , attempted murder of a serving member of the Norwegian armed forces charged with protecting the CP couples estate , admitting to physically / mentally abusing his partner , his stated belief that nothing he did would ever be mentioned in any press . Marius himself stated that he had been in therapy , so yes his family tried that route , but frankly if you know you are never going to face any consequences , why would you take it seriously . He did not . MM taking him out to shop for new furniture was not a good look . This is a very troubled grown man , not a boy . The NRF , CP couple need to acknowledge facts , re group and stand up for Norway and its people .