Marius Borg Høiby News & Current Events Part 1: December 2023 -

[camelot23ca]

When I remember the small flats I lived in during my twenties, occasionally in seedy neighborhoods, and then compare them with Marius's accommodations on the Skaugum estate I want to weep.

In their zeal to make sure that MM's eldest son was not made to feel less than his Royal half siblings, Haakon and MM went too far in the opposite direction and created a monster.

Making certain that he is well provided for is one thing, but where was the emphasis on his education and/or preparation for a career and life outside the Royal cocoon? He had too much time on his hands and now the chickens have come home to roost right on the doorsteps at Skaugum.

What a way for King Harald to be winding down the twilight years of his reign.

It’s a tricky issue, though, because I would say that the potential parenting mistakes people have mentioned from the start of the thread wouldn’t usually add up to this level of dysfunction. With indulgent, passive parents who overcompensated for perceived unfairness you’d expect to get a spoiled brat with a chip on his shoulder. Someone who wouldn’t be out of place with all the other spoiled rich kids in Oslo. Maybe not a kid MM and Haakon would want to showcase to the press and public, but also not one who would provoke a full on crisis.

I still don’t think this is a case of Marius getting to this point because of parenting mistakes. I think it’s more likely that Marius has had significant issues for a long time, maybe from the time he was a child, and Haakon and Mette Marit have gotten increasingly out of their depth as time’s gone by. It’s possible the magnitude of this situation will somehow shock them into seeing a better way forward, (which might involve taking an enormous step back and letting the Norwegian justice system parent Marius for the next several years).

 

[Hans-Rickard]

No one was divorced.

Tom Parker Bowles and Laura Lopes were adults when their mother married in, not a preschooler.

Do you really believe further ostracizing a young child who then grows up with younger siblings with every privilege in the royal world would have produced a better result?

My point was not that. My point was that it is perfectly possible for royals to have stepchildren without making them members of the royal family…

Where have i said that i think Marius should be ostracized ? Marius was 3 when they married and had no stable paternal home by then. Ofcourse he should be living with his mother then ! I haven’t said anything else.

But he is 27 now (way past the age where he needs to live 100 meters from mummys doorstep), living in a big house on one of Norways few royal estates and behaves as if he is King of the underworld… Do you really think it is wrong that it is controversial for many of us ?

Living on a royal estate means you live on stately property, behind security fences and with military security protection around the clock any time you are home…. That’s a huge privilige with more luxury than even the ambassadors have ! Certainly not a human right.

 

[Prinsara]

My point was that it is perfectly possible for royals to have stepchildren without making them members of the royal family…

How do you propose a preschooler being raised by the CP couple with fully-royal younger siblings have been less of a “member of the royal family” than he was without it causing more problems? This isn’t Jordan. The Camilla situation is not remotely comparable.

Other people have pointed out that Marius living on the Skaugum estate as an adult may not be parental blindness or a reward for bad behavior as much as an attempt to keep him where he could be safe and reached and not have him choose the criminal underworld over his family.

 

[Royalist.in.NC]

First, many thanks to @LadyFinn for the links, summaries, and translations! Your hard work is allowing those of us who can't view those pages to learn the latest. Much appreciated!

The most concerning thing I read is about the Hell's Angels being at Skaugum and meeting with MM. I have to disagree with those who say some in the group might not be so bad. It's identified as an organized crime group by multiple countries. (The Netherlands even banned it entirely.) Anyone who is a member of a recognized organized crime gang is a criminal, either by committing crimes or through association.

I'm sort of at the point where it's "three strikes, you're out!" for Mette-Marit. She entered the marriage with admitted associations with drugs and criminals, including Marius' father. She associated with Jeffrey Epstein multiple times AFTER his conviction for sex-trafficking minors. Now, she's meeting with members of an international organized crime biker gang in her home. (And all that doesn't even include possibly enabling Marius.)

This certainly doesn't point to an upstanding citizen with good judgement. Nor does it speak very well of Haakon's judgement. Or the king's.

This situation is dire. I'm beginning to think that those who think Haakon will be out of the succession -- or that he and MM will have to divorce -- may be right.

When was MM’s association with Epstein? Before Marius’ birth? I’ve not read much about this

 

[Somebody]

When was MM’s association with Epstein? Before Marius’ birth? I’ve not read much about this

No, she was not part of such high-profile networks before she met Haakon. She met Epstein several times between 2011 and 2013 and apologized for her lack of judgment/ignorance in 2019.

Crown Princess of Norway apologizes over Jeffrey Epstein meetings, tells Norwegian newspaper Dagens Næringsliv she should have investigated his past more thoroughly | DN

Crown Princess Mette-Marit of Norway met sex offender Jeffrey Epstein several times, both in the US and in Oslo, Norway, even after he admitted to sex crimes. She apologizes for not investigating his past.

www.dn.no

 

[LadyFinn]

Se og Hør publishes a new clip of the conversation Marius had with the two polices. The police talks about the role to which Marius was born and has been, with her mother becoming the crown princess and about having half-siblings with the roles they have.
Se og Hør asked the police if this is a common approach in such conversations and if they want to explain the background for such jargon. Press manager Unni T. Grøndal in an email: the police has no comments.

«En alminnelig gutt med et sjukt vedheng»

Politispaneren mener Marius Borg Høiby er «født inn i en fucka rolle». Her er det sjokkerende klippet.

www.seher.no

Se og Hør about the petrol card stolen from Skaugum:
This petrol card was issued to "The Royal Court", but was used by unauthorized persons for about a year, according to Se og Hør's sources. Neither the court nor the crown prince couple discovered that the card was used by unauthorized persons.

Stjal Slottets bensinkort

Under en av de ville festene Marius hadde hjemme i kronprinsparets bolig på Skaugum, ble det stjålet et bensinkort. Men det ble ikke sperret ...

www.seher.no

 

[Hans-Rickard]

How do you propose a preschooler being raised by the CP couple with fully-royal younger siblings have been less of a “member of the royal family” than he was without it causing more problems? This isn’t Jordan. The Camilla situation is not remotely comparable.

Other people have pointed out that Marius living on the Skaugum estate as an adult may not be parental blindness or a reward for bad behavior as much as an attempt to keep him where he could be safe and reached and not have him choose the criminal underworld over his family.

Why should the norwegian public be expected to just quietly accept that a fully grown up commoner, a private citizen who does not want to live a public life and does not want to be visible in the media (all according to his mother) lives at the royal estate with full military protection around the clock ?

If the Crown Prince and Crown Princess has kept Marius on the royal estate in an attempt to keep him away from his friends in the underworld - then congratulations, it ended in disaster !

This is more luxury than most of the diplomats have, so why shouldn’t people be allowed to have expectations ? Marius has a lot of priviligies that normal citizens will never come close to.

It has nothing to do about wether he would be unfairly treated compared to his half-siblings… Their situation is unjust by virtue of nature, and they have had 23 years to prepare Marius for that…

 

[Chimene]

The family needed to send him to some kind of disciplinary school or the military to straighten him out, if they couldn’t do it themselves. His actions are his fault and his alone, but in tolerating his behavior whether stemming from mental issues or whether, has led to this point. It’s obvious he has no regard for anyone, thinks he’s above the law, and still believes he’s untouchable even after getting caught. He didn’t recently develop this attitude.

 

[Mbruno]

Why should the norwegian public be expected to just quietly accept that a fully grown up commoner, a private citizen who does not want to live a public life and does not want to be visible in the media (all according to his mother) lives at the royal estate with full military protection around the clock ?

If the Crown Prince and Crown Princess has kept Marius on the royal estate in an attempt to keep him away from his friends in the underworld - then congratulations, it ended in disaster !

This is more luxury than most of the diplomats have, so why shouldn’t people be allowed to have expectations ? Marius has a lot of priviligies that normal citizens will never come close to.

It has nothing to do about wether he would be unfairly treated compared to his half-siblings… Their situation is unjust by virtue of nature, and they have had 23 years to prepare Marius for that…

Marius should have been raised from the start with a clear understanding that, since he is not a royal or in the line of succession, he would have to support himself as an adult and have a private career. That includes having made it clear to him that he would have to leave the Skaugum estate (or any alternative royal residence) for example when he turned 21. If he were still in full-time education at that time (for example, studying for a university degree), he could be allowed to stay until he graduated, but not after that. It should have been made clear to him also that, in addition to not getting any state dotation, his mother and stepfather would not fund him privately either when he became an adult.

Would that have pushed him to the underworld or to a criminal life? I seriously doubt it, but, in any case, if that had been his choice in life, the Royal Family should have made it clear to him that he would have no protection or immunity, and would have to face the full consequences of his actions by himself alone.

 

[Lady Daly]

As I have indicated in a prior post: #736 In my opinion Marius unfortunately received a genetic profile from both his mother, whose father was an alcoholic and his birth father who was a drug addict that has left him behaviorially at risk. We also don't know what his first 3 years were like to trigger what has now become his 27 year old self. There are specific long-term incarcerated treatment programs available that can bring about the changes needed to turn Marius's pathological behaviors into a functional member of society.
Hopefully this will be part of a court mandated incarcerated sentencing.

 

[kalnel]

No, she was not part of such high-profile networks before she met Haakon. She met Epstein several times between 2011 and 2013 and apologized for her lack of judgment/ignorance in 2019.

Crown Princess of Norway apologizes over Jeffrey Epstein meetings, tells Norwegian newspaper Dagens Næringsliv she should have investigated his past more thoroughly | DN

Crown Princess Mette-Marit of Norway met sex offender Jeffrey Epstein several times, both in the US and in Oslo, Norway, even after he admitted to sex crimes. She apologizes for not investigating his past.

www.dn.no

It’s worth noting that, like Prince Andrew, she met him multiple times AFTER his conviction and prison sentence, which received considerable international media attention. MM either turned a blind eye to this or lives in such a bubble that she doesn’t realize she is consorting with criminals.

Marius would have been a young, impressionable teen when his mother (and Haakon, at some point) was hanging around with a criminal who preyed on girls. Great role model!

 

[LadyFinn]

Nora Haukland was interrogated for the second time today. Her lawyer John Christian Elden confirms this to Aftenposten:
- The interrogations were about the previous conditions she has explained about related to physical and mental abuse from her former partner.
Now she was also questioned about the threat case. A man was arrested and detained last week for threatening Haukland, as well as 19 other threats. Elden says that Nora is reassured that the accused has been remanded in custody. There is no reason to assume that the accused in this case has any connection to Marius Borg Høiby.

Nora Haukland var i nytt avhør onsdag

Gjennomførte sitt andre avhør med politiet.

www.nettavisen.no

Siktelsen mot Marius Borg Høiby: Nora Haukland har vært i nytt avhør onsdag

Haukeland har på nytt forklart seg om fysisk og psykisk vold fra kronprinsessens sønn. Det bekrefter Hauklands advokat John Christian Elden overfor Aftenposten.

www.aftenposten.no

Nora Haukland wrote in her Snapchat that she really struggles with sleep and just working as a normal influencer and normal being. She is not quite "on top of her game". She wants to make it so much better, but she can't right now. She does not hide that the last few days have been difficult. She just lies and stares at the ceiling. I've been listening to "What Was I Made For", by Billie Eilish, and she is kind of tearful, but she can't cry.
Her lawyer says there is a lot of pressure on her now.

Nora Haukland deler åpent: – Sliter med å holde hodet over vann

Influenseren åpner opp om søvnproblemer.

www.nettavisen.no

 

[Prinsara]

Why should the norwegian public be expected to just quietly accept that a fully grown up commoner, a private citizen who does not want to live a public life and does not want to be visible in the media (all according to his mother) lives at the royal estate with full military protection around the clock ?

Because his parents as estate owners have the right to tenant the estate however they see fit, and somehow the Norwegian public was quietly accepting Marius living there before the enormous criminal scandal broke…?

It’s not any more unfair now than it has been; people have just decided it’s an issue now.

If the Crown Prince and Crown Princess has kept Marius on the royal estate in an attempt to keep him away from his friends in the underworld - then congratulations, it ended in disaster !

Not “away from his friends”, away from a full-time life and role there. And if Marius had OD’d or been caught selling drugs last year because he had no family support, how would that have been less of a disaster?

 

[polyesco]

Se og Hør about the petrol card stolen from Skaugum:
This petrol card was issued to "The Royal Court", but was used by unauthorized persons for about a year, according to Se og Hør's sources. Neither the court nor the crown prince couple discovered that the card was used by unauthorized persons.

Stjal Slottets bensinkort

Under en av de ville festene Marius hadde hjemme i kronprinsparets bolig på Skaugum, ble det stjålet et bensinkort. Men det ble ikke sperret ...

www.seher.no

I have a company card. I cannot even begin to process how this happened for a whole year. No monthly reports? no reconciliations? Fraud alerts? This falls on Haakon. He is the head of his staff and royal court. Or all those meetings, nothing?
Of course, when is someone's else money, no worries right?
At the first signs something should have been done. At the least his diplomatic passport taken away but nothing?

Haakon is not just the stepfather in this situation. He is the Crown Prince. This is not just a family, this is a taxpayer funded "company".

 

[Mbruno]

I have a company card. I cannot even begin to process how this happened for a whole year. No monthly reports? no reconciliations? Fraud alerts? This falls on Haakon. He is the head of his staff and royal court. Or all those meetings, nothing?
Of course, when is someone's else money, no worries right?
At the first signs something should have been done. At the least his diplomatic passport taken away but nothing?

Haakon is not just the stepfather in this situation. He is the Crown Prince. This is not just a family, this is a taxpayer funded "company".

Most likely they noticed that the gas card (or petrol card in British English) had been stolen/ was being misused and are denying knowing anything about it now to save face.