Marius Borg Høiby News & Current Events Part 1: December 2023 -


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I think the same, somewhat nuanced, goes for every head of state, no matter the system - republic or monarchy. I mean, a president has a very large immunity for the period he/she is in office.

In Norway and Denmark, though, even members of the family of the head of state (there is room for disagreement as to which members) also enjoy absolute immunity from court judgments in their own countries (unless that immunity is waived by the head of state), which I don't think is the situation in most countries. (More information can be found in the thread linked in my previous post.)
 
Then why is it that the Scandinavian monarchies (Sweden excepted) are the only monarchies in Europe where not only the monarch, but certain members of the monarch's family, have absolute immunity from the jurisdiction of the law courts?

The Swedish monarch, in my understanding, has absolute immunity from criminal prosecution. A regent in Sweden on the other hand, has limited immunity only in connection with official acts (as does the President of the United States, per the latest US Supreme Court ruling in the case of former President Donald Trump).

Quoting from the Swedish Instrument of Government of 1974,

Chapter 5 The Head of State​


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Article 8 [Immunity]
The King or Queen who is Head of State cannot be prosecuted for his or her actions. Nor can a Regent be prosecuted for his or her actions as Head of State.
 
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I think the same, somewhat nuanced, goes for every head of state, no matter the system - republic or monarchy. I mean, a president has a very large immunity for the period he/she is in office.
See my reply to Tatiana Maria on the different levels of sovereign immunity of a King and a President (and see also the often misunderstood recent ruling of the U.S. Supreme Court on President Trump's immunity).

The monarch's absolute immunity from prosecution seems to be a basic constitutional tenet in most monarchies, but that doesn't mean that the King is above the law. In the UK, for example, where there is no rigid constitution with a qualified amendment procedure, Parliament can change the law to waive sovereign immunity, as it did for example when it allowed the Crown (rather than the King personally) to be sued in a civil court.

I suppose that, in the Scandinavian monarchies, the constitution could also be amended to waive the monarch's immunity, but that would require following the qualified constitutional amendment procedure, which would be more complicated.
 
Then why is it that the Scandinavian monarchies (Sweden excepted) are the only monarchies in Europe where not only the monarch, but certain members of the monarch's family, have absolute immunity from the jurisdiction of the law courts?
I have no idea. I'm neither a politician nor a lawmaker. I do know that people would seriously disapprove if a royal committed a crime and got out of it because of them having immunity.
 
I have no idea. I'm neither a politician nor a lawmaker. I do know that people would seriously disapprove if a royal committed a crime and got out of it because of them having immunity.
There was a quote which I remember from the old (and long gone) website of the British monarchy that summarizes your point. It was a page that discussed the powers or prerogatives of the monarch and it said something like that the Queen indeed could not be prosecuted, but that Her Majesty always made sure that she did not break any law or committ any type of offense (that is not the exact wording, but basically it was the message that the website tried to convey).

I guess that is the answer that all Royal Houses will give you. It would not be acceptable nowadays if the King, for example, killed someone because he has immunity and can do it. In fact, if that happened, the King would be probably forced to abdicate and waive his immunity.

In fact, in a less extreme situation than murder, that is to a certain extent what happened when King Juan Carlos was caught in Spain with money laundering and tax evasion, although, in the end, even after abdicating, he ended up not being prosecuted or convicted of any criminal charges. In the UK, in connection with the civil lawsuit moved against him by Corinna, he got partial immunity in connection with his time as head of state and the case was later dismissed on different grounds like the standard of proof if I recall it correctly.

Those issues, as you say, are often complicated for people who are not lawyers, politicians, or lawmakers.
 
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The woman against whom Marius has a restraining order is now due for further police questioning.
Lawyer Mette Yvonne Larsen confirms to Dagbladet that her client will be questioned again by the police.
- I will be present during the interrogations.
About the restraining order Larsen has said:
- I do not want to go into detail about our demand for a restraining order. But I can confirm that we found it absolutely necessary to ask for a restraining order, after Marius Borg Høiby had contacted my client a number of times.
According to what Dagbladet learns, the woman has been contacted dozens of times within a day by Borg Høiby.
 
Presuming Dagbladet's source is telling the truth, I wonder what Marius Borg Høiby was hoping to achieve by contacting his ex-girlfriend/assault victim dozens of times daily and what his lawyer's thoughts or advice were.
 
This sounds scary, as if Marius is obsessed with his victim. Sounds they can add a charge because of stalking.
It does, but not only obsessed with his victim but probably very mad about her or her friend reporting to the police. A fact that made his long lasting abuse of women public and triggered exgirlfriends to speak out.
It is the first time in his life that he got caught in public with all consequences that are following.
 
Presuming Dagbladet's source is telling the truth, I wonder what Marius Borg Høiby was hoping to achieve by contacting his ex-girlfriend/assault victim dozens of times daily and what his lawyer's thoughts or advice were.
I cannot imagine his lawyer would think that was a great idea. On the contrary.
As for Marius. he surely hoped she would retract everything she has said and take him back. After all it was nothing. - According to the sound files that were leaked he only slapped her a little...
 
This sounds scary, as if Marius is obsessed with his victim. Sounds they can add a charge because of stalking.
Yes.

Lawyer Mette Yvonne Larsen wrote to NTB, that she will not tell when the woman will have a new questioning.
The details of the restraining order can be seen from the document that NTB was given access to today.
In the decision, Høiby is informed that he is forbidden to seek out, pursue and in any way make contact with the woman. This applies in person, by phone, text message, e-mail or other electronic communication, letter, postcard or other written communication or through a third party. The decision states further:
"There is reason to believe that Marius Borg Høiby will otherwise:
- Commit a criminal offense against another person
- Chase another person
- Violate another's peace"
There is normally a duty of confidentiality in criminal case documents. There must be special reasons to make exceptions, the police tells. The woman's name is being withheld.
Høiby's lawyer Øyvind Bratlien has not responded to NTB's inquiry today.
 
The woman against whom Marius has a restraining order is now due for further police questioning.
Lawyer Mette Yvonne Larsen confirms to Dagbladet that her client will be questioned again by the police.
- I will be present during the interrogations.
About the restraining order Larsen has said:
- I do not want to go into detail about our demand for a restraining order. But I can confirm that we found it absolutely necessary to ask for a restraining order, after Marius Borg Høiby had contacted my client a number of times.
According to what Dagbladet learns, the woman has been contacted dozens of times within a day by Borg Høiby.

Contacted dozen of times a day, and now we know that also contacted by the abuser's mother, Mette-Marit.
Just a bad move imo on Mette-Marit's part. I dont think in any domestic violence situation the abuser's family should contact the victim.
 
Contacted dozen of times a day, and now we know that also contacted by the abuser's mother, Mette-Marit.
Just a bad move imo on Mette-Marit's part. I dont think in any domestic violence situation the abuser's family should contact the victim.
If MM simply wanted to reassure herself about the victim's state of health / mind , to offer support , well !!!!. No. Sorry I'm afraid I do not read it in that way . As the mother and frankly, it seems to me the enabler of, an ,{ in his own words } , an admitted abuser , she crossed a very clearly signposted line . Obviously only the victim , should she choose to speak , can say what MM said . MM has thrown away the credibility she , and Haakon have built up . What a waste . As always my sympathies are with the ,[ as he has not yet been legally convicted ] , alleged victims , I do include his 3 living grandparents .
 
Se og Hør's editor-in-chief Ulf A. Andersen writes today at his long post among things:
Among the most worrying allegations is that Marius is said to have misused his diplomatic passport in the worst way - and that he is said to have openly boasted in his circles about being "protected by the police".
If it had been a loose claim, thrown out at a party to toughen up in the circle of friends, it would have been idiocy. When Se og Hør today documents that there may be some truth to the claims, it moves into the grave.
Today, Se og Hør tells that we have documentation that Marius has been kept under the protective wings of the Oslo police. He must have received treatment that others in a similar situation do not receive. Because he is part of the royal family.
This raises several serious issues:
If Marius has received special treatment because of his connection to the royal house, it undermines the principle of equality before the law, which weakens trust in both the police and the legal system.
If Marius has taken advantage of his connection to avoid prosecution, it shows a serious abuse of privilege, which damages trust in society's institutions.

Se og Hør got documentation which shows that the police have kept a close eye on Marius for a long time, and kept a protective hand over him, they had long suspected that Marius' friends have been involved in drug-related activity.
Documents show that two detectives from the organized crime section visited Marius at his home in Skaugum last autumn to warn him. The police told Marius that they knew he hung out with serious criminals, and that he had a major cocaine problem. They were not looking to arrest or fine him – just to warn him to stop this activity. The detectives are said to have told to Marius that this meeting is a special treatment he received, because he belongs to the royal family. "A conversation like this is not something we would have included everyone, we only do that because it is you".
If the police's suspicions that Marius' friends were involved in serious crime were true, then the police destroyed their own investigation by telling him about this.
Se og Hør has asked the Police:
- What was the background for this differential treatment in a possible criminal case? You warn him that you know about his connection to people in a larger criminal network - why do you reveal this to him? Were the chief of police, PST and the royal escort briefed? Did the police contact the Royal Palace or the court in advance of the conversation with Marius?"

Nora Haukland, Juliane Snekkestad and Mette-Marit are nominated for Jenteprisen.
Jenteprisen is awarded to a person or actor in Norway who has made an important effort for girls' rights and equality. Engagement around the award grows every year, and this year there are 110 nominees – an increase from last year's 76, which was also a new record. The winner is chosen by an independent jury and the prize is awarded at the Embassy on 11 October.
 
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Se og Hør's editor-in-chief Ulf A. Andersen writes today at his long post among things:
Among the most worrying allegations is that Marius is said to have misused his diplomatic passport in the worst way - and that he is said to have openly boasted in his circles about being "protected by the police".
If it had been a loose claim, thrown out at a party to toughen up in the circle of friends, it would have been idiocy. When Se og Hør today documents that there may be some truth to the claims, it moves into the grave.
Today, Se og Hør tells that we have documentation that Marius has been kept under the protective wings of the Oslo police. He must have received treatment that others in a similar situation do not receive. Because he is part of the royal family.
This raises several serious issues:
If Marius has received special treatment because of his connection to the royal house, it undermines the principle of equality before the law, which weakens trust in both the police and the legal system.
If Marius has taken advantage of his connection to avoid prosecution, it shows a serious abuse of privilege, which damages trust in society's institutions.

Se og Hør got documentation which shows that the police have kept a close eye on Marius for a long time, and kept a protective hand over him, they had long suspected that Marius' friends have been involved in drug-related activity.
Documents show that two detectives from the organized crime section visited Marius at his home in Skaugum last autumn to warn him. The police told Marius that they knew he hung out with serious criminals, and that he had a major cocaine problem. They were not looking to arrest or fine him – just to warn him to stop this activity. The detectives are said to have told to Marius that this meeting is a special treatment he received, because he belongs to the royal family. "A conversation like this is not something we would have included everyone, we only do that because it is you".
If the police's suspicions that Marius' friends were involved in serious crime were true, then the police destroyed their own investigation by telling him about this.
Se og Hør has asked the Police:
- What was the background for this differential treatment in a possible criminal case? You warn him that you know about his connection to people in a larger criminal network - why do you reveal this to him? Were the chief of police, PST and the royal escort briefed? Did the police contact the Royal Palace or the court in advance of the conversation with Marius?"

Nora Haukland, Juliane Snekkestad and Mette-Marit are nominated for Jenteprisen.
Jenteprisen is awarded to a person or actor in Norway who has made an important effort for girls' rights and equality. Engagement around the award grows every year, and this year there are 110 nominees – an increase from last year's 76, which was also a new record. The winner is chosen by an independent jury and the prize is awarded at the Embassy on 11 October.
I don't really know what to say. Marius is the son of the Crown Princess and the Crown Prince's stepson. He was also, until recently, an official member of the Royal Family and still lives in a royal estate (albeit privately owned by the Royal Family, if I understand it correctly). So, it is not at all unreasonable that he should get state police protection. In fact, it is expected that he should get it at least to a certain extent as threats to his personal security may represent a threat also to state security to the extent that they can affect the Royal Family.

How is the Police expected to act though when the person that they are protecting is hanging out with serious criminals and has a serious drug problem? I mean, in hindsight it is easy to throw those police detectives under the bus now, but, if you were in their shoes, it would have been a difficult call to make.

What really shocks me in all that is the inaction on the part of the Crown Prince and the Crown Princess, not only before the recent events, but also after that. Despite his public statement saying he intends to seek help and change, it looks like Marius is sticking to the same lifestyle he had before (partying in Italy and so on, in addition to harassing his ex-girlfriend whom he has just beaten and strangled), and nobody in his family seems to care or stage any form of intervention. At this point, a criminal conviction and jail time are probably the best that could happen to him to realize that actions have consequences.
 
Se og Hør wrote that last autumn the police visited Marius at his home to "warn him". Now Frode Larsen, unit leader in the Oslo police district, confirms to Aftenposten that they had a preventive conversation with Marius last year.
- The police regularly hold preventive talks with individuals who may be/are in a criminal environment. The talks are an early preventive measure. It was also deemed necessary because the police have an extended responsibility for the security of the Royal House and members of the royal family. The police do not want to go into specific assessments about the reason for the conversation or its content.

The Police wrote the same to Se og Hør.

Last week Marius had a restraining order imposed on his ex-girlfriend. It was the police who went to report him, confirms the woman's lawyer Mette Yvonne Larsen.
- The police have reported after a number of unacceptable inquiries.
On this basis, Marius was reported for reckless behaviour, which resulted in the restraining order.
Lawyer Larsen says that now there will be questioning number four for her client if you include the immediate questioning from the day in question. This week, it is primarily reading.
Marius' lawyer Øyvind Bratlien doesn't want to comment on VG's questions about the background for the restraining order.
Juliane Snekkestad's lawyer Petter J. Grødem says that his client has not been in any new interviews and that nothing is planned as of now.

I wonder why the woman's lawyer Mette Yvonne Larsen didn't tell all the background of the restraining order when it was given to Marius? She sais one thing to one newspaper and another thing to second newspaper.
 
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... why are his parents financing this sojourn to Italy?
We don't know that they are. Marius may be finding other ways to supplement his income that are not yet known.

.... nobody in his family seems to care or stage any form of intervention ...
We don't know that. All we know is that publicly they have not said or done anything. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. Loving someone with serious mental health and addiction problems is complicated.
 
We don't know that. All we know is that publicly they have not said or done anything. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. Loving someone with serious mental health and addiction problems is complicated.
👏Couldn't agree more
 
And there's more:
The Police admitted they had a preventive conversation with Marius after Se og Hør's article this morning.
Now Se og Hør continues, they publish an audio conversation between Marius and the Police.

Se og Hør reveals that the two policemen did not go to Skaugum on their own initiative as an early preventive measure, but were asked to go there by the highest levels of the police.
In a new audio tape recording between the police and Marius, several startling details emerge.
From the conversation:
Police: But we are here because we have the impression that you have a problem.
- Yes.
And we are here to lend a hand if you need help.
- Yes.
And these are things that have gone to the top in the police in Oslo.
- Hmm.
The police also say that the drug concerns surrounding Marius have been shared with several people. The police officers also repeat that they have been asked to seek out Marius, and when Marius asks which level of the police they are dispatched from, the police respond: "Above my f**king pay grade".
The police have not wanted to answer who in the police made the decision to seek out Marius. Whether the police chief was informed about Marius' drug problem. In what way were the Royal Palace and PST possibly involved in the case in autumn 2023. And: Did the police treat Marius differently?
The police now do not want to answer questions until they have seen the documentation. It is also one of the reasons why Se og Hør publishes parts of Marius' and police's audio conversation.
 
This all sounds quite intriguing and scandalous. But isn't there a more innocent reading? As a mother myself (and chronically ill) I would wish my husband would use all means he has to protect my son, if he had such problems (he hasn't!). So lets imagine Haakon asked the chief of police to send these two officers to Marius to, yes, warn him, but in truth to make him think about what he is doing? And maybe talk to Marius himself about what he is doing to his mother? And I can imagine Marius has a serious problem to be "half in and half out" of the RF and it's a mixture of defiance, hope- and helplessness he feels. I don't know what he (allegedly) did to the women, and if it was based in a struggle where they touched on these feelings, but I could understand if he suddenly got violent. Not that I condone that and he has to pay for it, but I think his family situation put a big burden on him that couldn't be helped by anyone and I'm sure his family tried. IMHO it's good that he is staying in another country where he is not known to be the Crown Princess's son and to work through the things that have happened nad, yes, to grow up. YMMV.
 
So the highest police are involved, and we are to believe MM and Haakon didnt know anything? please, they knew.
And the serious mental issues, do we have any evidence of this or just Marius's word.

Mette-Marit and Haakon are clearly hands off and enablers. Fund his lifestyle at least in free housing ( a very nice house on a very nice estate), and no accountability. The Diplomatic passport should have been taken away years ago, especially if his friendships have been known.
 
The police warning him doesn’t seem scandalous at all, especially since they offered him help. I don’t think it’s unusual, even for non-famous folks. The cops don’t want people to get in trouble, especially if they seem to be in over their heads, or they’re vulnerable in some way. (A drug addict with access to and information about the royal family would certainly be vulnerable to coercion and blackmail, creating a huge risk.)

As far as funding for his trips and lifestyle, we can’t assume anyone is paying for it other than him. He may live off a trust fund set up for him when he was little, so he can do as he pleases.
 
The Crown Prince Couple's meeting with the (large) press corps on the first day of their tour of Trøndelag was the Crown Princess's first direct encounter with journalists since Marius's arrest for assault and vandalism.

Her comment: "Out of respect for all those involved, including Marius, I ask for your understanding that I don't wish to comment on the matter in the immediate future."

Pressed with questions on how the process has been for her as a mother, she pivoted to talking about the tour.

 
This all sounds quite intriguing and scandalous. But isn't there a more innocent reading? As a mother myself (and chronically ill) I would wish my husband would use all means he has to protect my son, if he had such problems (he hasn't!). So lets imagine Haakon asked the chief of police to send these two officers to Marius to, yes, warn him, but in truth to make him think about what he is doing? And maybe talk to Marius himself about what he is doing to his mother? And I can imagine Marius has a serious problem to be "half in and half out" of the RF and it's a mixture of defiance, hope- and helplessness he feels. I don't know what he (allegedly) did to the women, and if it was based in a struggle where they touched on these feelings, but I could understand if he suddenly got violent. Not that I condone that and he has to pay for it, but I think his family situation put a big burden on him that couldn't be helped by anyone and I'm sure his family tried. IMHO it's good that he is staying in another country where he is not known to be the Crown Princess's son and to work through the things that have happened nad, yes, to grow up. YMMV.
I think that's the most plausible explanation.
I simply refuse to believe the police just showed up at Skaugum on the initiative of a local chief investigator.
This does smell of the NRF pulling strings in order to get the police to warn (scare) Marius. Obviously it didn't work.

And this also removed any doubt that the CP-couple and the rest of the NRF knew nothing. They did know about Marius.
In fact everybody and the their grandmother knew.
The NRF knew, including King Harald. I find it almost impossible to believe no one informed King Harald.
The chief of court knew.
The security police would have been informed.
The bodyguards around the NRF must have been informed, because the articles clearly states Marius friends were a cause for concern.
So the government at the time, at least, would have been informed as well.

- So a whole lot of people knew about Marius associates, his drug problems and probably his general behavior as well.
The NRF, the press, the police, the government, the court officials and probably quite a few ordinary Norwegians as well.
everybody has been busy sweeping Marius under the carpet and pretend there is nothing to see.

This is just the beginning.
The public and by extension the press will soon ask: Who covered what up and to what extension?
Did Marius beat up his two first girlfriends as well? Was it known? By whom? What was done? Was it covered up?
To what extent was Marius involved with his criminal friends? Who knew? What was done?
Did Marius misuse his diplomatic passport? What is known/suspected? Who knew/suspected something? What was done?
What was known about Marius addiction? Who was his supplier? Why weren't Marius criminal friends and supplier leaned upon? (A: Distance yourself from Marius or you will be so investigated, 24/7! - In short: Why wasn't Marius made poisonous for his criminal friends?)
 
Dagbladet reveals today new information about the environment Marius has had contact with for several years.
The photo at the top of the case has been taken earlier this year, at the nightclub Michaels in Frogner in Oslo. In the photo, Marius poses with a 48-year-old - referred to as the Lørenskog man. The man has previously served five years and nine months in prison, convicted as the mastermind in a major amphetamine case. Last autumn, he was at the Oslo district court in a completely different context. Then the topic was his friendship with one of Norway's most notorious men: Arfan Bhatti, accused of terrorism.
Some of Marius' contacts are interested in watches in the top price range. And at that business there is something shady too.

According to what Se og Hør knows, there is now a fourth person offended in the case - in addition to his three ex-girlfriends.
Marius is said to have made death threats against this person. Se og Hør knows the person's identity, and has contacted for a comment but hasn't got an answer.
Se og Hør has also submitted their information to the police, and asked whether it is the new victim who has reported the threats, or whether it is the police who have reported the case on their own initiative. That's what the police did in the case with the woman in the apartment, the last ex-girlfriend.
 
The police warning him doesn’t seem scandalous at all, especially since they offered him help. I don’t think it’s unusual, even for non-famous folks. The cops don’t want people to get in trouble, especially if they seem to be in over their heads, or they’re vulnerable in some way. (A drug addict with access to and information about the royal family would certainly be vulnerable to coercion and blackmail, creating a huge risk.)

As far as funding for his trips and lifestyle, we can’t assume anyone is paying for it other than him. He may live off a trust fund set up for him when he was little, so he can do as he pleases.
Or he is dealing drugs himself, or engaging in other types of criminal activities, and that is where he gets his money from! Although that is not impossible given the people he associates with and his now infamous gangster picture, I find it unlikely. The most plausible scenario is that Haakon and MM are indeed still footing the bill.
 
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The police also say that the drug concerns surrounding Marius have been shared with several people. The police officers also repeat that they have been asked to seek out Marius, and when Marius asks which level of the police they are dispatched from, the police respond: "Above my f**king pay grade".
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Mbruno and kalnel make good points that the police intervention may have been the best possible attempt at a resolution at the time, and I agree that there is no need to criticize the police officers on the basis of the current information. I believe though that it demonstrates how fortunate Marius has been in many ways (which is not to dispute that he surely also met with challenges from his unique position in the royal family). I would think that even in a small and wealthy country, the average drug user/criminal associate would not receive personal visits from police detectives offering them help to turn their lives around without putting them behind bars - and Se og Hør's other report that "The detectives are said to have told to Marius that this meeting is a special treatment he received, because he belongs to the royal family. 'A conversation like this is not something we would have included everyone, we only do that because it is you'." supports my assumption - let alone one ordered from "Above my f**king pay grade".

It is my feeling that if had he accepted the offer of help, he truly would have received meaningful and quality assistance in some form. It is a pity that he seemingly did not make use of this opportunity that most of his fellow citizens in similar situations would need to be very lucky to receive.
 
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