General News about the Sussex Family, Part Two: April-August 2020

[Lumutqueen]

There are well-known people who aren't royal who have interactions with the media, who release pictures of their children and the actions are based on what the parents want.... not on royal traditions, not people in the public claiming they own the child or that the parents owe them. Archie will still have plenty of privacy outside of a released picture here or there.

I agree that well known people, actors and actresses, have communications with the press. In regards to releasing pictures of children, I have seen that more often than not celebrities do all they can to shield their children from the press. George and Amal Clooneys' twins come to mind who I think, in print/online, I have seen perhaps once in carry cots and that is it. I am unaware of any celebrities, please enlighten me if i'm wrong, who actively share milestones with the media and not on their own public social media and then it gets reported by said media.

So the issue is them sharing an image of their son? People bringing up tours that aren’t happening and presenting a baby that doesn’t exist. So I’m failing to understand that. They do have a patronages. Unless they dropping them, then I don’t see the problem.

Public figures of all kinds have spokespeople. They so share their families. I can pull up plenty of that now. So again I ask, what’s the issue? If they are not important then them posting a picture shouldn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things.

We have seen how much of Archie? I would say his privacy has been plenty maintained.

I'm confused by your argument, you can't as I believe your post was doing, compare them to ordinary people when they clearly aren't.

For me, my issue is that they still can't decide what category they want to be in. They're trying to have the best of all worlds, when I don't personally see that as working out.

 

[ACO]

Yes but that is the life he has had so far. I was talking about to date.

Royal children are born public figures. It is not at all the same.

There is no more need for them to present their.child for public consumption.

It won't stop paparazzi pics and Archie himself is a private person unlike his cousins and could get away with not having to having any public exposure whatsoever.

I can count on one hand how much I have seen this child in his year of life. So yeah I am truly failing to see the issue here. It just comes across (to me) that people have an issue this this child being celebrated, in whatever way, by his parents.

At this point I feel we just going in circles, so I am leaving it there.

 

[poppy7]

I can count on one hand how much I have seen this child in his year of life. So yeah I am truly failing to see the issue here. It just comes across (to me) that people have an issue this this child being celebrated, in whatever way, by his parents.

At this point I feel we just going in circles, so I am leaving it there.

Celebrate and treasure their child. I would hope everyone does. This does not equate to public images though.

And yes not seeing royal children, as he was, in the first few years is very much the way at the moment.

 

[Denville]

Because they want to, why is any othe reason needed? they have that right and it isn't hurting anyone. Why would someone be so upset at the idea they may release a picture of their child?

Yep they left the UK to protect themselves and their child from bullying that doesn't mean they should have to lock themselves up in a home and never be seen or heard from again. Leaving the UK doesn't mean their left their freedom behind....they still have rights and should be able to live life as they see fit.

Nobody is stopping them from "Living life as they see fit".. but if you want to protect a child's privacy, you don't release photos of him, unless you really have to. [...]

 

[phss]

So the issue is them sharing an image of their son? People bringing up tours that aren’t happening and presenting a baby that doesn’t exist. So I’m failing to understand that. They do have a patronages. Unless they dropping them, then I don’t see the problem.

Public figures of all kinds have spokespeople. They also share their families or whatever tickles their fancy. I can pull up plenty of that now. So again I ask, what’s the issue? If they are not important then them posting a picture shouldn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things.

We have seen how much of Archie? I would say his privacy has been plenty maintained.

Of course they are entitled to release photographs whenever they like but I think we are also entitled to query their logic...

Harry has repeatedly stated that a big part of why he quit the BRF was to protect Archie, he didn't want Archie to grow up in the limelight... but then he goes ahead and releases pictures of him... not a crime at all and I am sure he will be adorable. However, how is Harry doing anything different to how Archie would have been treated if they had stayed a part of the BRF? All we would have seen of him would be a picture (the exact same one that will be released) on his birthday... which is exactly what Harry is STILL allowing (only now it helps his brand image instead)
I don't think we're evil for querying why he's doing something that will increase the media storm that he apparently doesn't want

 

[HereditaryPrincess]

So, would all the other royals who released photos of their children who had lockdown birthdays be attention seeking too?

 

[phss]

If they quit the BRF and their country for 'privacy'... sure.

 

[poppy7]

So, would all the other royals who released photos of their children who had lockdown birthdays be attention seeking too?

As the public pay for their homes, lives, stellar education, silver spoon I think you will find most do it under duress in a symbiotic relationship in that their family is our family.

You don't get public money. No need to do it.

 

[amaryllus]

They aren’t Royal anymore though. They chose to leave the Royal family and move to another country. They chose for their boy to have no Title from the get go and said they wanted him raised like a normal child, out of the limelight So why release a picture?

So then the question should be not what Royal parents or families do on Children’s birthdays because that’s moot.

 

[HereditaryPrincess]

My point was that it's a normal thing to do. Even celebrities who aren't royals post photos of their children on social media when it's their birthday or when they hit an important milestone. I just think it's ridiculous that the Sussexes are being critiqued for this when it's been going on for decades. If they would do so and promote one of their charities or organisations underneath the post, then that would be attention seeking, but some harmless birthday photos aren't. There's a difference.

 

[Pranter]

They aren’t Royal anymore though. They chose to leave the Royal family and move to another country. They chose for their boy to have no Title from the get go and said they wanted him raised like a normal child, out of the limelight So why release a picture?

So then the question should be not what Royal parents or families do on Children’s birthdays because that’s moot.

They are still Royals and they are still members of the BRF. Their 'boy' has a title they simply aren't using it.

Frankly why does it matter why they release pictures? Perhaps because they know they have a following that support them and they do it because they know ppl like to see him? Perhaps they think it will also help to release a pic here and there when it comes to at least some folks apparent need to see Archie?


It's ridiculous every decision they make is armchair quarterbacked.



LaRae

 

[HereditaryPrincess]

They are still Royals and they are still members of the BRF. Their 'boy' has a title they simply aren't using it.

Frankly why does it matter why they release pictures? Perhaps because they know they have a following that support them and they do it because they know ppl like to see him? Perhaps they think it will also help to release a pic here and there when it comes to at least some folks apparent need to see Archie?


It's ridiculous every decision they make is armchair quarterbacked.



LaRae

Precisely my point. The critiques wouldn't bat an eyelid if it were the Cambridges or another royal.

 

[amaryllus]

In your post you compared them to “Other Royals” not celebrities. One is no longer true and the latter is highly debatable.

Ridiculous? Really? Because if they want to be in public eye that’s what will happen. People will Have opinions not always favorable and not Excuse And adore every Action And choice they make like some people here apparently live to do.

 

[poppy7]

Precisely my point. The critiques wouldn't bat an eyelid if it were the Cambridges or another royal.

Not the same at all. They are obliged.

 

[HereditaryPrincess]

In your post you compared them to “Other Royals” not celebrities. One is no longer true and the latter is highly debatable.

I didn't compare; I was just saying that other royals post photos and they don't get criticised. That was the point...

Not the same at all. They are obliged.

Can't we just appreciate photos? The world has enough on its plate. Life is too short for petty criticism and as a result that's me out, as it seems this will go in circles.

 

[poppy7]

Can't we just appreciate photos? The world has enough on its plate. Life is too short for petty criticism and as a result that's me out, as it seems this will go in circles.

Everyone loves to see babies and young children. Royal,children on their birthdays. Beautiful treat. Of course we can enjoy the pictures. And it isn't really criticism as you are right they can do what they want but more a questioning of why they are doing it.

Archie himself is nothing but a baby full of hope and I wish him all the best.

Harry is a Prince. By virtue of the short straw at birth he was given every material comfort for a deal where he would serve his people. To be a public servants. To ask for nothing, and not to complain but to put duty before everything. Agree or disagree with that, that was his birth right. He reneged.m people took it badly because on a smaller scale we all,understand our duties to family, friends, community and it did fill people,with a bit of disgust and then to appear to be building your own brand on the back of, the birth role.

 

[Osipi]

In your post you compared them to “Other Royals” not celebrities. One is no longer true and the latter is highly debatable.

The basic fact remains. They are HRH, The Duke and Duchess of Sussex. Prince Henry is still the grandson of a monarch and the son of the heir to the throne and future monarch. That doesn't change. What has changed is that they are, at this time, no longer working members of the family "Firm" and with that decision, are not eligible to use their royal status for commercial business purposes.

 

[Alison H]

For anyone who's interested, and has access to British TV, the special episode of Thomas the Tank Engine is on this Saturday at 9:05am (apparently).


I very much doubt that anyone is going to start an argument over misuse of the Queen's image in Thomas the Tank Engine! I would think she'll be quite pleased to feature! Thomas is an icon .

 

[Betsypaige]

My point was that it's a normal thing to do. Even celebrities who aren't royals post photos of their children on social media when it's their birthday or when they hit an important milestone. I just think it's ridiculous that the Sussexes are being critiqued for this when it's been going on for decades. If they would do so and promote one of their charities or organisations underneath the post, then that would be attention seeking, but some harmless birthday photos aren't. There's a difference.

The celebrities didn’t quit their professional lives because they wanted to protect their children’s privacy. Harry and Meghan did. I don’t care if they publish a photo of Archie or not, but I do find it hypocritical.

 

[Pranter]

The celebrities didn’t quit their professional lives because they wanted to protect their children’s privacy. Harry and Meghan did. I don’t care if they publish a photo of Archie or not, but I do find it hypocritical.

Except that is not the reason they quit being full time royals. There are a lot more issues than that.


LaRae

 

[poppy7]

Except that is not the reason they quit being full time royals. There are a lot more issues than that.


LaRae

That's what they said. Media. Consistently. It's us and the press who gossip about other issues.

 

[Betsypaige]

Except that is not the reason they quit being full time royals. There are a lot more issues than that.


LaRae

That’s true, it is more complicated - though privacy issue has been a big deal. It doesn’t bother me enough that I’m going to be upset about it (I’m not). When they post the photo, I’m sure I’ll be going gaga over how adorable he is...

 

[Pranter]

It was the crossing of the line by the media ...sending drones to take pics into their house, the made up stories is another factor. Not to mention the death threats, the overt and not so over racist comments by media etc.

IF they do release a pic of Archie on his birthday I will be glad to see it too...I'm sure he's beyond cute right now!



LaRa

 

[BaiSoSo]

Nobody is stopping them from "Living life as they see fit".. but if you want to protect a child's privacy, you don't release photos of him, unless you really have to.

As private citizens they can do whatever they please, if it includes releasing a photo of their child that is their right. It may not be the same as what you would do but it's still their right.

They can still provide Archie with privacy...releasing a photo doesn't mean the media has any additional access to him. We have seen celebrity children, politician children etc... in photos but it doesn't mean a person can claim they own them, stalk them at school to name a few actions.

 

[rominet09]

I am so looking forward to see him now.
I especially Wonder if his hair looks like his mama's or his papa's !

 

[Curryong]

I'd say Archie will look very much like Harry, judging by what we've seen of him so far. Ginger haired like his father but with Meghan's dark eyes. I'm looking forward to seeing him on his birthday as well.

 

[Jacknch]

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Finally, since everyone now appears to have had their say on the fact that a photo of Archie will be released for his first birthday, we can move on from that debate.

 

[lirienn]

Can we talk now how outside RF disastrously everything is going for them? Loss, another loss. They embarrassed themselves so many times, the book would be published. I feel like not many people would want to be associated with them.

 

[Kataryn]

Can we talk now how outside RF disastrously everything is going for them? Loss, another loss. They embarrassed themselves so many times, the book would be published. I feel like not many people would want to be associated with them.

If you believe what the British tabloids say about them, you might get that picture. But if you try to go on according to what they really did, you might like them. I do. You have the choice.

 

[Fem]

Can we talk now how outside RF disastrously everything is going for them? Loss, another loss. They embarrassed themselves so many times, the book would be published. I feel like not many people would want to be associated with them.

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I worry about them, because being a part of BRF gave them an extra layer of protection, that is taken away now (or more like voluntary given up). We're seeing more and more paparazzi pictures of them, videos, and especially in light of some of the things Harry said, that worries me a lot.