Charles III: Coronation Information and Musings - Part 1

[W.Y.CII]

I think where the heirs are not just ready to attend such events on their own (Elizabeth, Leonor, C-A), they may attent with their respective mothers or grand mothers. Alternatively, the countries could be rrepresented by the consorts, or the previous Queen.

Leonor still won't be 18 at that time, I think we can completely rule her out. As much as I wish to see her in this occasion it'll be a big surprise if she does attend. IMO the possibility of Ingrid Alexandra attending with her parents is greater (though still very low) than Leonor attending, if Wikipedia is correct Astrid has tagged along with her parents to QEII's coronation.

 

[Iain]

In Monaco Prince Jacques obviously couldn't go so it would be Caroline. On the other hand Albert isn't a King, he's a Sovereign Prince, so it may be that he would still qualify to attend himself as he wouldn't be senior to Charles. I think he attended the Dutch inauguration for the same reason.

A monarch is a monarch regardless of whether they are styled King, Prince, Grand Duke. Emir etc. etc. Therefore Albert is senior to Charles. When Albert's father, Prince Rainier, was on the throne of Monaco, for the last 23 years of his life he was the longest reinging monarch in the world. As such, he was regarded as the most senior monarch.

 

[sophie25]

A monarch is a monarch regardless of whether they are styled King, Prince, Grand Duke. Emir etc. etc. Therefore Albert is senior to Charles. When Albert's father, Prince Rainier, was on the throne of Monaco, for the last 23 years of his life he was the longest reinging monarch in the world. As such, he was regarded as the most senior monarch.

I'm not sure that is correct. Didn't Albert attend the Dutch inauguration because he wasn't a monarch and therefore couldn't outrank the new King?He is a sovereign but not a monarch as Monaco is a principality not a monarchy.

 

[Dantheman]

According to news.com.au (and I’m not suggesting that this is the most reliable source) - there’s an article on there yesterday that claimed Anne princess royal and prince Edward don’t want Harry and Meghan at the coronation as they are worried about what may be repeated in the future by them

 

[kimebear]

I'm not sure that is correct. Didn't Albert attend the Dutch inauguration because he wasn't a monarch and therefore couldn't outrank the new King?He is a sovereign but not a monarch as Monaco is a principality not a monarchy.

He also attended the enthronement of Emperor Naruhito, but then so did the King of Bhutan, so the rules are not always so hard and fast.

 

[MonacoRoyalFan]

Albert Sovereign Prince of Monaco confirms he plans to attend the coronation, along with Princess Charlene. His grandfather Prince Pierre attended Queen Elizabeth II’s coronation representing Monaco.

https://t.co/GarB4HUMGr

 

[MonacoRoyalFan]

I'm not sure that is correct. Didn't Albert attend the Dutch inauguration because he wasn't a monarch and therefore couldn't outrank the new King?He is a sovereign but not a monarch as Monaco is a principality not a monarchy.

Monaco is a monarchy. It’s not a kingdom but rather a principality. But it is a monarchy with a monarch as head of state.

 

[Curryong]

Yes, but is Pr Albert a monarch as such, or a ruling Prince?

 

[CrownPrincessJava]

I'm not sure that is correct. Didn't Albert attend the Dutch inauguration because he wasn't a monarch and therefore couldn't outrank the new King?He is a sovereign but not a monarch as Monaco is a principality not a monarchy.

A monarchy is a kingdom, empire, principality, Grand Duchy etc, where the leader, i.e. monarch, performs functions as the head of state. In most cases, the monarch is a leader by means of heredity.

Prince Albert is the monarch of Monaco, thus head of state. He holds the same rank as all other monarchs around the world.

Has other European Royal households announced who will attending the coronation?

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

I'm not sure that is correct. Didn't Albert attend the Dutch inauguration because he wasn't a monarch and therefore couldn't outrank the new King?He is a sovereign but not a monarch as Monaco is a principality not a monarchy.

The Sovereign Prince (the name itself says it) is a monarch. He decided to represent Monaco and the Maison Princier by his own attendance. It is a tradition indeed, but no hard rule, that a Sovereign does not attend another Sovereign's Investiture.

For an example, King Albert II of the Belgians and Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands were Sovereigns attending the Investiture of Grand-Duke Henri of Luxembourg.

 

[Denville]

Albert does most of the work as prince in MOnaco. The family is small, with only Caroline and Charlene to help as the twins are too young by far. ANd Charlene, even before her health problems last year, did not do much, so presumably, it was expected that Albert would attend things on his own as Prince, even when in most countries it would be another representative of the family.

 

[Curryong]

To be fair though, Monaco is a very small country, smaller than many capital cities. Albert’s schedule is hardly hectic every week, and if he simply can’t attend an event then Caroline steps in, I suppose.

 

[Denville]

I think Albert is quite busy as he has a more active role as Head of state.. he is not a figurehead like most European monarchs. However his Family is a very small one as I dont think Steph does any work and Charlene has never done much.

 

[CyrilVladisla]

Has a Queen Mother from another monarchy attended a previous British coronation?

 

[Elektra]

Seeing Princess Charlene attending would be great!

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

Has a Queen Mother from another monarchy attended a previous British coronation?

That would be former Queen Sofía of Spain, former Queen Paola of the Belgians, former Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands. I doubt it, a Coronation is different from weddings, christenings, jubilees and funerals.

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

I think Albert is quite busy as he has a more active role as Head of state.. he is not a figurehead like most European monarchs. However his Family is a very small one as I dont think Steph does any work and Charlene has never done much.

Prince Albert has a Cabinet which does daily management of the principality while he is globetrotting the world. The water flows from taps, the carabiniers fight crime, the Port Authority gives admission to dock, etc. In daily practice the Prince is aa much a figurehead as his European colleagues.

 

[sophie25]

Seeing Princess Charlene attending would be great!

Well Albert says they both definitely are so I will look forward to it. We can now speculate about what jewels she will wear LOL!

 

[MonacoRoyalFan]

Prince Albert has a Cabinet which does daily management of the principality while he is globetrotting the world. The water flows from taps, the carabiniers fight crime, the Port Authority gives admission to dock, etc. In daily practice the Prince is aa much a figurehead as his European colleagues.

This is quite wrong but we can leave that to another proper thread.

 

[Denville]

well is it true? MY impression was that Albert had a much more hands on role, albeit Monaco is a tiny place, since he is an absolute monarch

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

This is quite wrong but we can leave that to another proper thread.

Let us assume that the Mayor of neighbouring Nice, which has 11 x more residents than Monaco, will have a fuller operational management agenda than the Sovereign Prince ?

Ergo: Prince Albert will have plenty of time to attend the Coronation of King Charles III.

 

[An Ard Ri]

Prince Albert is a stalwart on the royal scene with his attendance at Royal events be with Weddings/Funerals and other Royal Events.

 

[Minister of Court]

Albert Sovereign Prince of Monaco confirms he plans to attend the coronation, along with Princess Charlene. His grandfather Prince Pierre attended Queen Elizabeth II’s coronation representing Monaco.

https://t.co/GarB4HUMGr

I guess they are inviting republican heads of state too to the coronation, so it would be weird to invite only heirs from monarchies.

 

[An Ard Ri]

Prince Pierre,Count de Polignac represented Monaco at the Coronation of Queen Elizabeth II.

 

[valeas]

Yes, but is Pr Albert a monarch as such, or a ruling Prince?

He is like the Prince of Liechtenstein much more of a monarch than Charles
it depends on the differences, if there is a parliament....

Many peiple do not guess that Vatican is a (absolute) monarchy along with only a few others. What Europe and Us consider a monarchy is figureheads cutting ribbons, while real monarchs still rule their countries.

 

[sophie25]

Prince Pierre,Count de Polignac represented Monaco at the Coronation of Queen Elizabeth II.

Yes it wasn't the ruling Sovreign from Monaco in 1953. I wonder if Charles really is doing away with the rule that it must be heirs who come.

 

[An Ard Ri]

Yes it wasn't the ruling Sovreign from Monaco in 1953. I wonder if Charles really is doing away with the rule that it must be heirs who come.

And Prince Pierre was the father of the Sovereign Prince.

 

[Stefan]

I guess they are inviting republican heads of state too to the coronation, so it would be weird to invite only heirs from monarchies.

But then would have to invite a lot because where to begin and where to stop. Could be difficult as they want to reduce the numbers on people attending. And the not sure but i don't think Presidents attended previous Coronations.

 

[Denville]

He is like the Prince of Liechtenstein much more of a monarch than Charles
it depends on the differences, if there is a parliament....

Many peiple do not guess that Vatican is a (absolute) monarchy along with only a few others. What Europe and Us consider a monarchy is figureheads cutting ribbons, while real monarchs still rule their countries.

that is not the case. A constituional monarchy is a monarchy just as a more absolute monarchy is.

 

[Denville]

Let us assume that the Mayor of neighbouring Nice, which has 11 x more residents than Monaco, will have a fuller operational management agenda than the Sovereign Prince ?

Ergo: Prince Albert will have plenty of time to attend the Coronation of King Charles III.

The Mayor of a city, whether large or small, isn't the same as the ruler of a coutnry, even if it is a very small one.