Was someone feeding Diana false information?

[ysbel]

In an earlier thread member skydragon posted a link to an article by Richard Kay in the Daily Mail that alleged that someone was purposely feeding Diana false information during her divorce proceedings.

Charles, Tiggy and the rumour about their affair that won't go away | the Daily Mail=

Members zhontella and georgiea wanted to explore the possibility that Diana was being fed false information. The purpose of this thread is to discuss the likelihood that the Royal Family or someone else would have fed Diana false information for any purpose at all.

As member georgiea described it:

The false information was given to Diana during the 1992-1995(6?) time and I think this information was from her psychics. You know psychics are about 50% correct in what they tell you.

If I had a topic for a new thread I would ask the question:

Do you believe Mr Kaye's article explaining Lord Michon's (sp) letter, that was read at the inquest, that a close friend to Princess Diana was giving her false information to make her mentally sick?

In hearing the discussion about the possibility that Diana was being fed false information I thought a likelier time period for the Royal Family to feed Diana false information would have been the time after the Morton book was published during a time when the Royal Family would have wanted to have firm knowledge whether Diana was collaborating with the press without their knowledge or not.

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[Roslyn]

I voted "Other". I think it's quite possible that, especially after the Morton book, she was fed inaccurate information by the RF to test her and just to see what she'd do with it. I think it would have been very tempting to do so, but I'm not sure one way or the other.

I doubt it would have been done with the intention of making her look unstable. Firstly, because I don't think the RF would stoop that low, and, secondly, because it wouldn't really be good for the image of the monarchy to have insanity in the blood so I think they'd want to downplay that aspect.

It's possible someone else might have done it at any time, of course, for a wide range of reasons and purposes. I just don't know.

 

[georgiea]

It's possible someone else might have done it at any time, of course, for a wide range of reasons and purposes. I just don't know.

I voted other, because Princess Diana's claims really did not come true except her claim of her death by a car accident. I believe she was getting her information from her psyhic. We all have tried them and usually if we are lucky their claims are 50% accurate. In the Kay article Diana would not give her sources and that is why I believe it was her psyhic. Before one of her trips with Dodi, they visited her psyhic and the psyhic warned Dodi to be careful, but did not warned Diana. Also a psyhic once told Diana that Prince Charles was going to die in a car crash, that never happen.

 

[tinkerbell1948]

I originally voted "No" thinking of the RF but then afterwards thought of her psychic. I'm not sure whether this would be classed as deliberate "false information" rather than Diana depending on the wrong sources for guidance just my personal opinion )

 

[Elspeth]

I voted other, because Princess Diana's claims really did not come true except her claim of her death by a car accident. I believe she was getting her information from her psyhic. We all have tried them...

Erm, no we haven't...

 

[tinkerbell1948]

Erm, no we haven't...

Me neither

 

[jcbcode99]

Sorry Georgia, I've not tried a psychic. I'm more of a cold, hard logic kind of person. 50% accuracy is not good enough odds for me to plunk down $$.

 

[Roslyn]

I haven't ever tried one either. Though I easily could if I wanted to, since my niece is now a psychic. Yes, she really is. She's done a course! She was originally trained as a counsellor, but changed direction!

 

[love_cc]

I chose others. Diana seemed to have a character to make own asserted judegments without thinking carefully about the facts and evaluated the reliablity of the information. I think her biggest problem was that she would never really listen to others: she always used her own ways to make things done which were wrong sometimes unfortunately.

I have to say this was the flaw in her character and she did not have much capacity to re-think about her own past mistakes or learnt to analyze things with depth.

 

[Jo of Palatine]

That's waht Lord Mishcon wrote down after he talked to Diana in 1995:

"HRH said that she had been informed by reliable
14 sources whom she did not wish to reveal (they would
15 speedily dry up if she broke her promise of
16 confidentiality) that (a) The Queen would be abdicating
17 in April and the Prince of Wales would then assume the
18 throne and (b) efforts would be made if not to get rid
19 of her (be it by some accident in her car such as
20 pre-prepared brake failure or whatever) between now and
21 then, then at least to see that she was so injured or
22 damaged as to be declared 'unbalanced'. She was
23 convinced that there was a conspiracy and that she and
24 Camilla were to be 'put aside'. She had also been told
25 that Miss Legge-Bourke had been operated on for

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1 an abortion and that she (HRH) would shortly be in
2 receipt of a 'certificate'.

From the Inquest at: Hearing transcripts: 15 January 2008 Morning session


I'm not sure about that talk of a "certificate" when it comes to the Legge-Bourke-claim. In december, Diana still had none, otherwise she would have seen to it that the media got it. Still she had enough trust in her sources to make a go at "Tiggy" at the christmas party. So I wonder
if she didn't make the certificate up (or the whole thing) in order to make sure that Lord Mishcon believed in her and her quest.

Just remember: she was already planning the Panorama-interview. IMHO she did that partly to force a decision about her marriage because things had pretty much stagnated during the last 3 years from the announcement of the separation till the Panorama-interview and they couldn't go on that way for Diana, because she obviously suffered from her isolation and strange limbo-existence (as described by her two lawyers, then assistents of Lord Mishcon, at the inquest).

What Diana needed in her divorce-proceedings was a lawyer who, while being firmly established in society, well-known and simply "good", would side with her no matter what. She had already learned that her family would not side with her, lost contact to her sister Jane Fellowes, because she sided with her husband and the RF, her brother let her down...

So presenting this lawyer with such a story could well lead to sympathy and help from Lord Mishcon. At least he would not let her down. But for a lawyer she needed quite strong arguments, wouldn't she?

While the Burrell-note, which was written at the same time, might have just been a kind of rehearsal of the story she was about to make up for Lord Mishcon. Like: let's see how Paul reacts to it.

 

[Skydragon]

I'm with jcbcode99 on the psychic, although I did have the Tarot done!

As Roslyn has pointed out, the last thing the Royal Family or their advisors would want, is a question mark over the sanity of a future king. Diana's claims were all proven to be false and it is, to me, far fetched to believe that they wouldn't be disproved.

HM didn't abdicate and most people would agree that to HM abdication is a dirty word.

Her allegations against 'Tiggy' were impossible for her to prove and easily provable as false by 'Tiggy', if it had gone to court.

Any accident involving Diana would be fully investigated and had the brakes been tampered with, easily picked up. Even the Paris accident was not due to brake failure or whatever, which covers a multitude of possibilities. If she was truly convinced that someone was out to incapacitate or kill her, surely she would have put a seatbelt on every time she got into a car.

I really think these allegations of a 'source' were designed to encourage Mishcon (an elderly 'gentleman') to come to the aid of a damsel in distress.

 

[ellenw]

I don't know enough about the situation to give a learned response, but I don't think it impossible, under the circumstances, that she might have been deliberately misled. If so, I would think it was in order to confirm whether she was leaking damaging info to the press. (That would certainly be a way of fingerprinting who was/were responsible for the dissemination of private information.) I do think, though, that it's important to keep in mind that the protection of the RF in this manner could have been undertaken by courtiers (not necessarily the royals themselves).

 

[georgiea]

I don't know enough about the situation to give a learned response, but I don't think it impossible, under the circumstances, that she might have been deliberately misled. If so, I would think it was in order to confirm whether she was leaking damaging info to the press. (That would certainly be a way of fingerprinting who was/were responsible for the dissemination of private information.) I do think, though, that it's important to keep in mind that the protection of the RF in this manner could have been undertaken by courtiers (not necessarily the royals themselves).

Would Diana, Princess of Wales take information from courtiers? I don't think she trusted the BFR or their courtiers. I still think she went to psychics. The information she was given was so false. Didn't Fergie introduce her to some psychics?

 

[karla64]

I vote ' other' I have no proof...

 

[anbrida]

I chose "other", because I don't have enough information to make me support any particular theroy. So I consider this as an open topic.

 

[crisscross1]

Me neither

Wouldn't go near one, I believe that what will be will be.

Anyway, I voted other because I believe the little voices in Diana's head may have been feeding her false information.

 

[georgiea]

I just went over Raine, Countess Spencer's testamony from the inquest. Here is a section from the inquest transcripts. Raine's answers I bolded.
I believe her answers back up my claim that the false information being given to Diana, Princess of Wales was probably by her psychics.

Q. But it is the obsession with accidents. By talking of
4 an obsession with accidents, I have assumed that you are
5 suggesting that she was saying to you that someone was
6 going to contrive an accident, rather than it being
7 a real accident, or is that not what you are meaning?
8 A. Your Lordship, it is a difficult thing to put this into
9 words but, you see, Diana was very interested
10 horoscopes -- I am too, I love reading my horoscope.
11 We all want the dark handsome gentleman to walk through
12 the door -- but there comes a time when, beyond fun, it
13 becomes too believable. Can I elaborate on this --
14 Q. Please do, yes.
15 A. -- to try and answer your question properly.
16 Now, to this end, I know -- and I think it is public
17 knowledge -- that she did go endlessly to these
18 different soothsayers, fortune-tellers -- and there was
19 one in particular -- to such an extent that she really
20 forced me to do it because she so believed in what was
21 being told her, which I did, to please her, you see.
22 But, you know, there comes a moment when you have to
23 make your own decisions and ignore what the soothsayers
24 say.
25 Also, your Lordship, it always makes me a bit

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1 surprised that if they were so good, why did not one of
2 them say "Beware the ides of March", as in Shakespeare?
3 Why did not one of them actually foretell the horror of
4 the accident?
5 So she was taken up with listening to what these
6 people said, and it is my feeling that one of them could
7 have enlarged -- I do not say put the idea in her
8 mind -- but enlarged on these fears and heightened them

 

[Claire]

I don't know.
I know that Buckingham Palace did tell a harmless story to members of staff slightly different to watch who would leak the story, but I think that was by senior staff to check confidentially, nothing more.
Diana was very naive and possibly believed all types of gossip and yes the palace is full of it. Some of it sounds like a plot from the Tudors. It is possible that she simply believed everything, including her own press.
I'm not saying that Diana had bad jugdment only that she had difficulty finding the facts. Horoscopes, fortunetellers of all types. And during and after the divorce, while noone has worse instincts than a woman angry with her husband. I still don't understand why Diana was collecting evidence - letters to take to handwritting analysis, photos and depositions about a raped servant, proof of this and that.

 

[Harry's polo shirt]

I don't know.
I know that Buckingham Palace did tell a harmless story to members of staff slightly different to watch who would leak the story, but I think that was by senior staff to check confidentially, nothing more.
Diana was very naive and possibly believed all types of gossip and yes the palace is full of it. Some of it sounds like a plot from the Tudors. It is possible that she simply believed everything, including her own press.
I'm not saying that Diana had bad jugdment only that she had difficulty finding the facts. Horoscopes, fortunetellers of all types. And during and after the divorce, while noone has worse instincts than a woman angry with her husband. I still don't understand why Diana was collecting evidence - letters to take to handwritting analysis, photos and depositions about a raped servant, proof of this and that.

I agree. She was naive and probaly believed people thinkin they were her friends. Many people like to cause problems and hurt people.

 

[Skydragon]

I agree. She was naive and probaly believed people thinkin they were her friends. Many people like to cause problems and hurt people.

Gossip is everywhere and there are those that believe and repeat it, forgetting to mention that it is gossip. After a while it is repeated as a fact. It is quite possible that Diana listened to the servants gossip and because she was troubled, took it all as the absolute truth.

 

[debzone]

No psychic visits here either. I am agree with Skydragon and others. None of us will probably never know for sure though.

 

[georgiea]

Again a portion of the inquest transcripts of COMMANDER PATRICK JEPHSON being questioned about Diana, Princess of Wales and how he thinks false information was given her.

Q. At page 82 of your book, please -- you have been asked
22 about this passage already -- this is the passage in
23 which the subject of astrology was discussed between you
24 and the Princess:
25 "It also undermined her sense of the ridiculous.

171

1 'Do you know', she said to me one day in June 1992, 'my
2 astrologer says my husband will never be king'. That
3 may have been exactly what she wanted to hear at the
4 time, but it did not appear to alter her husband's daily
5 routine one jot. Yet she continued to heed her
6 astrologer's predictions, the more dire, the better,
7 particularly where the Prince was concerned. Sure
8 enough she was rewarded with regular forecasts of
9 helicopter crashes, skiing accidents and other
10 calamities that obstinately refused to befall him, much
11 to her relief I have no doubt."
12 Then to 287, please. The paragraph just above the
13 halfway line:
14 "Her quest for personal growth took her into a whole
15 range of areas including astrology, reflexology, colonic
16 irrigation, massage, fitness training, soothsaying and
17 psychoanalysis. Advice of wildly differing quality
18 poured in. She was unrestrained in her appetite for it.
19 Apart from her children and her public duties,
20 I sometimes felt it took up the rest of her life.
21 "I am sure that in isolation many of the
22 practitioners she consulted were sources of
23 professional, honourable and valid advice, but in
24 combination they represented a bewildering cocktail of
25 emotional stimuli which robbed her of equilibrium at

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1 times of stress and dissipated her powers of
2 concentration. They fed the paranoia that never lurked
3 far below the well-groomed surface and they provided as
4 many opportunities for mischief as for wholesome
5 thoughts and actions."

To me this answers who fed the paranoid Princess false informtion.

 

[anbrida]

Again a portion of the inquest transcripts of COMMANDER PATRICK JEPHSON being questioned about Diana, Princess of Wales and how he thinks false information was given her.

Q. At page 82 of your book, please -- you have been asked
22 about this passage already -- this is the passage in
23 which the subject of astrology was discussed between you
24 and the Princess:
25 "It also undermined her sense of the ridiculous.

171

1 'Do you know', she said to me one day in June 1992, 'my
2 astrologer says my husband will never be king'. That
3 may have been exactly what she wanted to hear at the
4 time, but it did not appear to alter her husband's daily
5 routine one jot. Yet she continued to heed her
6 astrologer's predictions, the more dire, the better,
7 particularly where the Prince was concerned. Sure
8 enough she was rewarded with regular forecasts of
9 helicopter crashes, skiing accidents and other
10 calamities that obstinately refused to befall him, much
11 to her relief I have no doubt."
12 Then to 287, please. The paragraph just above the
13 halfway line:
14 "Her quest for personal growth took her into a whole
15 range of areas including astrology, reflexology, colonic
16 irrigation, massage, fitness training, soothsaying and
17 psychoanalysis. Advice of wildly differing quality
18 poured in. She was unrestrained in her appetite for it.
19 Apart from her children and her public duties,
20 I sometimes felt it took up the rest of her life.
21 "I am sure that in isolation many of the
22 practitioners she consulted were sources of
23 professional, honourable and valid advice, but in
24 combination they represented a bewildering cocktail of
25 emotional stimuli which robbed her of equilibrium at

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1 times of stress and dissipated her powers of
2 concentration. They fed the paranoia that never lurked
3 far below the well-groomed surface and they provided as
4 many opportunities for mischief as for wholesome
5 thoughts and actions."

To me this answers who fed the paranoid Princess false informtion.

To me, "Charles will never be the King", "Queen will abdicate next summer", "helicopter crashes, skiing accidents, car accidents will happen", all were kind of prediction, which were very likely come from psychis, but "Tiggy had an affair with Charles", "Tiggy had an abortion" these sounded like things had already happened. I think psychi would tell Diana what would happen in the future, but I doubt they would tell her what had happened already.

 

[Skydragon]

To me, "Charles will never be the King", "Queen will abdicate next summer", "helicopter crashes, skiing accidents, car accidents will happen", all were kind of prediction, which were very likely come from psychis, but "Tiggy had an affair with Charles", "Tiggy had an abortion" these sounded like things had already happened. I think psychi would tell Diana what would happen in the future, but I doubt they would tell her what had happened already.

Except they hadn't already happened. I am surprised that anyone would take anything told to them by psychics, without the statutory barrel of salt, now that is scary!

 

[anbrida]

Except they hadn't already happened.

I knew someone would got confused by my post .

Allegations like "Charles would never be the King," "Queen would abdicate next fall" or "Diana would have a accident" were kind of prediction.

But allegations like "Charles had a affair with Tiggy" and "Tiggy had a abortion" were not prediction. Diana saw these not as prediction, but some kind of fact which had already happened.

My point is, while the first three allegations sounded very much like words from a psychi, but "Charles had a affair with Tiggy" and "Tiggy had an abortion" didn't.

 

[pinkie40]

I don't think it was out of line for the Royal family to test Diana's loyalty. She betrayed them by not playing "the game" in knowing her "place" and just how far she could go with revelations of herself and of those around her. Diana did not understand the implications for both upstaging Her Majesty The Queen and the Prince of Wales and attempting to create her own court/powerbase.

We have to realize these "pyschics" were presented to her by people she trusted (Prince Andrew and Sarah) and in times of extreme stress (like Penny Thornton)....I think "psychics" use techniques and powerful suggestion leaving the client wanting more creating a dependence upon future predictions...

 

[selrahc4]

I think Diana was not a person skilled in critical thinking and tended to accept ideas and information which matched what she wanted to hear and to discard or discount things to the contrary.

 

[anbrida]

I think Diana was not a person skilled in critical thinking and tended to accept ideas and information which matched what she wanted to hear and to discard or discount things to the contrary.

I really don't think she would like to hear that she would died in an car accident or holicopter accident. And it seems that she was quite sure about that.

 

[selrahc4]

I really don't think she would like to hear that she would died in an car accident or holicopter accident. And it seems that she was quite sure about that.

But it seems she was willing to (or wanted to) believe, not that it would be an accident, but that there were people who actually would stage such things.

 

[georgiea]

I think Diana was not a person skilled in critical thinking and tended to accept ideas and information which matched what she wanted to hear and to discard or discount things to the contrary.

I believe that Diana, Princess Of Wales was a person who was guided by her emotions and not a critical thinker. If she was a critical thinker her life would have been different. I really believe she relied on her psychics' information to guide her. If you look at the videos in the Dr. Khan thread most of her friends talking in them are her former psychics.