The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 7: Oct. 2022 - Apr. 2023

[Erin9]

Well money needs to be made. Ouch that would be such an embarrassment. I feel a bit sore for them.

It would be embarrassing. Agreed. But- it hasn’t happened yet. They may get their documentary.

 

[HRHHermione]

As shared by TLLK:



https://www.newsweek.com/meghan-mar...al-no-deal-spotify-podcast-archetypes-1752662

I have to admit, I couldn’t even get all the way through the written transcript of this one. I listened to the first episode, read the full transcripts for the next three, and now I skim the intro and read the media reaction. It’s just all so incredibly self-indulgent.

I’ve come to believe Meghan’s biggest weakness professionally, both as a working royal and now as a media personality, is what seems a persistent lack of curiosity about other people’s inner lives. Superficially, this podcast is about that, but the guests always struggle to get a word in edgewise and the bulk of the episode is always about how the stereotype (not archetype) in question has affected her, Meghan, who is always the center of the narrative.

In this case, it seems very silly to look back fifteen years later and say that a job you willingly took and which paid well as a model on a game show didn’t respect your intellect enough. The job was to be one of 24 models holding a briefcase.

This honestly could have been a moment to talk about how beauty is both a privilege that helps women get ahead and a limitation, but that would have required a tad more thought and introspection than these episodes ever show.

 

[Erin9]

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 7: October 2022-

I have to admit, I couldn’t even get all the way through the written transcript of this one. I listened to the first episode, read the full transcripts for the next three, and now I skim the intro and read the media reaction. It’s just all so incredibly self-indulgent.

I’ve come to believe Meghan’s biggest weakness professionally, both as a working royal and now as a media personality, is what seems a persistent lack of curiosity about other people’s inner lives. Superficially, this podcast is about that, but the guests always struggle to get a word in edgewise and the bulk of the episode is always about how the stereotype (not archetype) in question has affected her, Meghan, who is always the center of the narrative.

In this case, it seems very silly to look back fifteen years later and say that a job you willingly took and which paid well as a model on a game show didn’t respect your intellect enough. The job was to be one of 24 models holding a briefcase.

This honestly could have been a moment to talk about how beauty is both a privilege that helps women get ahead and a limitation, but that would have required a tad more thought and introspection than these episodes ever show.

I don’t think this podcast is doing her any favors honestly. She clearly wants to come across as smart and as a deep thinker- but she absolutely is not imo. It’s superficial. A lot of her material is dated. She references movies/shows from 10-20 years ago, and Issues that were much more prevalent decades ago. And, as you said, she makes it about herself too much.

I find it somewhat amusing that in an episode where she emphasizes wanting to be appreciated for her brains- she, for the millionth time, uses the word “archetype” when she is talking about stereotypes. I mean- really? That doesn’t lead me to think much of her brains. It is such a distraction. (I’m sure she knows the difference, or at a minimum was told by someone at some point, but that doesn’t mean much when she constantly uses the wrong word.)

Yeah. Her complaining about Deal or No Deal was interesting. Some people would simply see it as an opportunity. The job was what it was. She chose to do it. And was well paid for it. She literally did the job she was specifically hired for. It wasn’t about brains. Now- she wants to complain about it. She did at least note it helped her pay bills. But- still.

Then- she had to reference her US embassy internship, which did respect her intellect, but went no where after that. (Because she didn’t pass the exam?) It sounds like she wanted a more serious career, but couldn’t get the one she wanted- and Option B was the entertainment industry. IDK- but it’s a guess.

And here we are- with her doing a podcast- trying to sound like a deep thinker, very smart, and doing something that really makes people sit up and take notice. I just don’t think it’s working. Note- she is smart and well educated, but I don’t think this podcast does her any favors if that’s the take away she wants.

 

[HighGoalHighDreams]

I guess this episode confused me a little. I'm such a fan of the idea behind this podcast and think the stereotypes Meghan has chosen have been excellent. But (perhaps in an attempt to insert herself in the narrative which, as people have noted since the podcast first aired, has become a theme) Meghan chose an example of something that isn't at all an example of this happening.

Women's remarkable qualities are downplayed all the time in the workforce and we have the intelligence, or bravery, or quick thinking, or whatever other qualities are relevant to the job overlooked due to stereotyping. Meghan gave about the only example a person can think of where this isn't the case. She was hired for the quality of her looks, and she was valued for the quality of her looks. It's wonderful and undoubtedly true that she and the other women were also very smart women, but it's not a bad or wrong thing that those producing the show didn't emphasize this because this wasn't the quality sought after in the job.

 

[HRHHermione]

Then- she had to reference her US embassy internship, which did respect her intellect, but went no where after that. (Because she didn’t pass the exam?) It sounds like she wanted a more serious career, but couldn’t get the one she wanted- and Option B was the entertainment industry. IDK- but it’s a guess.

Referencing that just made me remember that the uncle who got her that job didn’t get a wedding invite. Seems weird given that she clearly considered it an important experience.

https://metro.co.uk/2018/08/19/megh...e-wasnt-invited-to-royal-wedding-7856136/amp/

 

[Prinsara]

As a fan of vocabulary, the transposition of "archetypes" for "stereotypes" simply for the sake of their brand is incredibly irritating.

 

[yukari]

Well, two of former casts of the show hit back, directly via their social media, not through "sources".

Meghan Markle Says She Felt 'Objectified' Working on 'Deal or No Deal'

(...)

But on Tuesday two of Meghan's former castmates hit back on social media.*

"Deal or No Deal NEVER treated us like bimbos," wrote Claudia Jordan. "I'm especially protective of Howie Mandel who was nothing but kind and respectful."*

Patricia Kara, who appeared in every episode, also Tweeted, "Funny. I remember a group of hard-working, strong-minded, independent women."

(...)

She has gone this far in showbiz business so I don't doubt that she's intelligent woman, but I think she needs to learn about humility. I agree with other posters that this podcast has a good premise, but at this point my impression of this podcast is that this is a platform for Meghan to either complain or hit back to rumours about her. Which not a good look because it's like by each episode, she makes new adversaries instead of gaining new fans.

 

[Curryong]

Meghan stated on her podcast that she was ‘surrounded by smart women on the stage beside me’.

https://www.newsweek.com/meghan-mar...al-no-deal-spotify-podcast-archetypes-1752662

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[Erin9]

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 7: October 2022-

Meghan stated on her podcast that she was ‘surrounded by smart women on the stage beside me’.

https://www.newsweek.com/meghan-mar...al-no-deal-spotify-podcast-archetypes-1752662

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‘However, Meghan described the experience as "fascinating" but also shared some complicated feelings about it and said a woman who ran the show backstage would mispronounce her name and tell her: "Mark-el suck it in."
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Meghan said a lot of things in her podcast. I can see why some of the women who worked on that show decided to respond. One of them was very classy in what she said- very kind towards Meghan as well. She said what Meghan should have said imo.

Meghan can’t just say it was a good experience, it gave her opportunities, it allowed her to pay her bills, etc. She couldn’t just be nice. She had to complain about the job she chose to take not appreciating her brain.

I kind of wonder why she chose to act if this is so important to her. (Being appreciated for her brain.) Lots of actors are well educated and quite bright. But- an actor isn’t getting hired because they’re really good at math or science.

She’s probably burning some bridges with this podcast.

 

[Toledo]

In the USA news there is a slow chain reaction growing about Meghan's statement on her former employer. She was in around 57 episodes working as a model holding a briefcase. I don't watch game shows, they are too sugary and hyperactive for my taste.

But these shows follow a long tradition since the beginning of TV game shows, here and in any country, that they require models to balance out the host. Both host and models are selling the product, the show, to get ratings needed to survive. That's why you see when a host is hyper, funny and chatty the models around had to smile from wisdom teeth to wisdom teeth to continue the charm of the game when the camera pans away from the host. Is not rocket science, just marketing. Like when you work at a store or restaurant and are expected to be charming to the guests. Well, a game show is just like that, a store with happy employees.

And besides, it was just a modeling job that paid the bills, not a Shakespeare in the Park situation. So, I'm confused why now she is looking down on it in the same podcast she interviews Paris Hilton, who objectified herself for five years on TV in her show The Simple Life. If any, she should blame the agent that booked her the interview to the game show for not being more selective on her search to find her jobs on TV.

 

[Elenath]

And exactly what documentary is being delayed? Is it Heart of Invictus? Because as far as I know that is the only documentary/show involving the Sussexes that was ever confirmed by Netflix.
It seems to me people are making a lot of guesses without anything even remotely resembling facts to back it up.

 

[HRHHermione]

And exactly what documentary is being delayed? Is it Heart of Invictus? Because as far as I know that is the only documentary/show involving the Sussexes that was ever confirmed by Netflix.
It seems to me people are making a lot of guesses without anything even remotely resembling facts to back it up.

Meghan alluded to a show about “their love story” in her interview with The Cut and they’ve had camera crews following them at public events for a long time.

 

[Elenath]

Meghan alluded to a show about “their love story” in her interview with The Cut and they’ve had camera crews following them at public events for a long time.

You mean this?

“The piece of my life I haven’t been able to share, that people haven’t been able to see, is our love story,” she says, then quotes what she says was the end of a speech she gave at her wedding, in which she took comfort in the “resounding knowing that, above all, love wins.” She adds, “I hope that is the sentiment that people feel when they see any of the content or the projects that we are working on.”

None of this knows that this means. It could be anything. It could be a project about love stories that also talks about theirs. That doesn't mean it will be a reality show or a documentary about their private lives.
Especially since:

The couple has directly smashed rumors of a reality show

How do people know.. if it's a public event there are always camera crews. How do people know what camera crew belongs to the Sussexes or what those crews are there to film? To me it feels like people assume the worst will believe anything that confirms it and they will look for any kind of "evidence".

 

[HRHHermione]

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 7: October 2022-

You mean this?







None of this knows that this means. It could be anything. It could be a project about love stories that also talks about theirs. That doesn't mean it will be a reality show or a documentary about their private lives.

Especially since:





How do people know.. if it's a public event there are always camera crews. How do people know what camera crew belongs to the Sussexes or what those crews are there to film? To me it feels like people assume the worst will believe anything that confirms it and they will look for any kind of "evidence".

I suppose time will tell, won’t it? I just honestly can’t believe Netflix entered that kind of content development deal and had the only expected outcome be a documentary about a military veteran’s sporting event and other charitable endeavors.

There’s only one thing the Sussexes have to sell that content companies are interested in and it’s themselves.

Oh- and media have to display press passes at public events. It would be visible to other reporters who is there from which companies. That’s where the Netflix camera crew stuff comes from.

 

[JessRulz]

A new piece of news courtesy of Curryong:

The City of Uvalde, Archewell Foundation, and KABOOM! Unveil a New Playground to Bring Hope and Healing for Kids and Families in Uvalde

UVALDE, Texas, Oct. 18, 2022 /PRNewswire/ -- The City of Uvalde, Archewell Foundation, and KABOOM! recently partnered to support community unity and healing by creating a playspace for kids and the community to enjoy. The goal of the DeLeon Park playground project is to provide a sense of hope for the Uvalde community that has come together to recover after the tragedy at Robb Elementary School that impacted the lives of the entire community on May 24. The community has been leading the planning of the project to foster a sense of togetherness and healing through the creation of a vibrant space that honors the innocent lives lost and provides a place to play for kids in need of normalcy, restored childhoods, and joy.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...or-kids-and-families-in-uvalde-301652133.html

 

[Alison H]

In the USA news there is a slow chain reaction growing about Meghan's statement on her former employer. She was in around 57 episodes working as a model holding a briefcase. I don't watch game shows, they are too sugary and hyperactive for my taste.

The Deal or No Deal comments are making the news here as well. I take her point about being told to use spray tan and wear a padded bra, to project a glamorous image, but that's what those sorts of jobs are. As she said, it paid the bills at that time in her life.

 

[Heavs]

Meghan said a lot of things in her podcast. I can see why some of the women who worked on that show decided to respond. One of them was very classy in what she said- very kind towards Meghan as well. She said what Meghan should have said imo.

Meghan can’t just say it was a good experience, it gave her opportunities, it allowed her to pay her bills, etc. She couldn’t just be nice. She had to complain about the job she chose to take not appreciating her brain.

I kind of wonder why she chose to act if this is so important to her. (Being appreciated for her brain.) Lots of actors are well educated and quite bright. But- an actor isn’t getting hired because they’re really good at math or science.

She’s probably burning some bridges with this podcast.

That's what I thought when I read the transcript. A lot of famous actors have degrees from prestigious universities, some even have advanced degrees and doctorates or enormous knowledge about a particular thing but none of them are hired to act on a project because of their intelligence or because they're interesting people. There are people with PhDs or people who speak 4 languages etc in sitcoms and you'd never know it.

If it bothered her that much she could always have got a different job. There are things in between diplomat and actress. She clearly does like being famous -which is not necessarily a bad thing.

Perhaps it would have been more interesting if she had also acknowledged that she was hired because she was a beautiful woman and this job also enabled her to network, get better jobs and live the life she has now, whereas a smart but not beautiful person in Hollywood does not have as many opportunities?

It is interesting that she had returned to Hollywood and is producing content. She could hire writers and work with them to create projects that continue to challenge these stereotypes of women instead of just complaining about people thinking she's each of them. That would be something very good.

It's also strange that all her examples are at least 15 years old. Full Metal Jacket, Kill Bill, Austin Powers, HIMYM, Scrubs, Legally Blonde, Paris Hilton's career path. And most of them are deliberate or satire. Things have shifted so much culturally in that time as well.

And exactly what documentary is being delayed? Is it Heart of Invictus? Because as far as I know that is the only documentary/show involving the Sussexes that was ever confirmed by Netflix.
It seems to me people are making a lot of guesses without anything even remotely resembling facts to back it up

Netflix never officially announced it but Meghan did! Not to mention Deadline is a professional industry site and they announced that the "docuseries" reality show was being pushed back. Whether or not it actually happens is one thing but they wouldn't be talking about it if the project didn't exist or was just a rumour. Their info came either from Netflix or Archewell productions themselves. And we've seen cameras following them about for a year now.

 

[Alison H]

The Telegraph's reported that the documentary series *won't* be delayed (I'd post a link but it's behind a paywall), but other newspapers are picking up on the Deadline report that it *will* be delayed. Some of them are saying that Netflix want it delayed because of the backlash against The Crown, whilst others are saying that it's Harry and Meghan who want it delayed, because they're afraid that more nasty comments about the Royals will lead to a backlash against them. So no-one really seems sure - there are umpteen different versions of events being reported.

 

[intothesea]

Variety

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/meghan-markle-lets-her-guard-110000232.html

Variety also talks about a docuseries on “you and your husband” in an interview directly with Meghan.

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[Tatiana Maria]

I believe this is the direct link to the Deadline report being discussed: https://deadline.com/2022/10/prince...mentary-delay-the-crown-criticism-1235146831/

ETA: Here is another link to the Variety interview:
https://variety.com/2022/digital/fe...ing-queen-elizabeth-working-harry-1235407176/

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[Erin9]

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and Family, News and Events 7: October 2022-

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/meghan-markle-lets-her-guard-110000232.html

Variety also talks about a docuseries on “you and your husband” in an interview directly with Meghan.

I just couldn’t read the whole thing. I scanned it.

But- she was asked about- and responded directly to- a question about the docuseries. They absolutely were doing something about themselves. Whether that is still happening- IDK.

She also commented that she was the “smart” one. I personally wouldn’t recommend constantly talking about how smart she is.

She also talked about TQ’s death. She said she’d reflected on their first official engagement together. Emphasized their nice relationship.

According to her- Harry is an “optimist.” Can’t say he’s come across as one in recent years to me.

 

[Toledo]

...If it bothered her that much she could always have got a different job. There are things in between diplomat and actress. She clearly does like being famous -which is not necessarily a bad thing...

...It's also strange that all her examples are at least 15 years old. Full Metal Jacket, Kill Bill, Austin Powers, HIMYM, Scrubs, Legally Blonde, Paris Hilton's career path. And most of them are deliberate or satire. Things have shifted so much culturally in that time as well...

I disagree with her statement about Kill Bill, Austin Powers, Legally Blonde, etc. They are parodies of both exaggerated versions of men and women just like any episode in the RuPaul's Drag Race franchise in any country. Both men and women do exaggerated reactions on stereotypes for one purpose, to make the audience laugh.

FYI- Kill Bill is a dark comedy about a company that hires female hit(wo)men. I don't recall Viveca Fox complaining. Austin Powers is a parody of James Bond movies, I don't recall Queen B herself, Beyonce, ever complaining. Legally Blonde is a parody of sorority life and the upper-class silver spoon kids of rich people. I don't remember Reese Witherspoon being offended or outraged of being in this movie comedy.

--- Note --- I decided to self-edit myself and remove 75% of my post. It's one of those things where after reading what I wrote I thought, wow that's not nice.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

What I'd like to know is...did Paris Hilton get to do any talking at all?

I thought that the point of having these famous women on the podcast was hearing what they had to say as well.

But in each case...with Serena Williams, Mariah Carey and now with Paris Hilton, this podcast seems to exist solely to provide the DoS with a much desired platform.

 

[Marengo]

As forwarded to us by TLLK:

Meghan Markle makes bold statement as she makes unexpected appearance in LA
The Duchess of Sussex attended an event from Spotify

https://www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20221018154545/meghan-markle-important-message-t-shirt/

And another article forwarded by TLLK:

The City of Uvalde, Archewell Foundation, and KABOOM! Unveil a New Playground to Bring Hope and Healing for Kids and Families in Uvalde

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...or-kids-and-families-in-uvalde-301652133.html

And as forwarded by Alison H:

Meghan Markle finally breaks silence on Deal or No Deal role – and why she quit
The Suits actress opened up

https://www.hellomagazine.com/royal...n-markle-breaks-silence-deal-or-no-deal-role/

And a reaction by a former collegue, also forwardede by Alison H

Meghan Markle's co-star hits back at Duchess amid claims she was treated like a 'bimbo'
The Duchess of Sussex released her latest Archetypes podcast on Tuesday where she sat down with Paris Hilton to discuss ‘bimbo’ stereotypes and her role on Deal or No Deal

 

[angieuk]

Why is she the only member of the Royal Family who feels the need to keep giving interviews to magazines or news stations about how short life is among other things;[.....] Please delete this if it is deemed off-topic. As regards the Bimbo persona; she herself signed up for it.

 

[Leopoldine]

Why is she the only member of the Royal Family who feels the need to keep giving interviews to magazines or news stations about how short life is among other things; when she refuses to forgive her own father. Please delete this if it is deemed off-topic. As regards the Bimbo persona; she herself signed up for it.

She gets an extraordinary amount of snarky press attention. I think she's been trying to clap back with a combination of charm, sophisticated style and a personal narrative that defies pigeonholing. There's a lot of contrary notes being hit in these podcasts and interviews -- for instance, talking of her dismay over spray tans and bra padding for a "beauty" job, then posing in full makeup and couture for Variety, lolling around on a lawn tossing out sultry looks.

Also, giving an interview to Variety, of all publications, to announce that she's probably never going to act again is sort of amusing. If she's trolling the media, she's doing a good job. That Variety piece has all of her hallmark woke words and terms.

It might be working. People are talking about the podcasts and interview and have almost moved on from Valentine Low's book. He's kept his book in the news by doing countless interviews.

 

[Mbruno]

I just couldn’t read the whole thing. I scanned it.

But- she was asked about- and responded directly to- a question about the docuseries. They absolutely were doing something about themselves. Whether that is still happening- IDK.

She also commented that she was the “smart” one. I personally wouldn’t recommend constantly talking about how smart she is.

She also talked about TQ’s death. She said she’d reflected on their first official engagement together. Emphasized their nice relationship.

According to her- Harry is an “optimist.” Can’t say he’s come across as one in recent years to me.

The reference to Harry being "always the optimist" was in connection with him saying that the Queen "was now" reunited with Prince Philip. I take her comment to mean that Meghan is not a believer in the afterlife, or has a different interpretation thereof than Harry's. That is of course OK and to be expected as Meghan is a not a religious person and, in our secular society, increasingly fewer people take the concept of afterlife literally anyway.

 

[Biri]

The reference to Harry being "always the optimist" was in connection with him saying that the Queen "was now" reunited with Prince Philip. I take her comment to mean that Meghan is not a believer in the afterlife, or has a different interpretation thereof than Harry's. That is of course OK and to be expected as Meghan is a not a religious person and, in our secular society, increasingly fewer people take the concept of afterlife literally anyway.

If she wasn't, she wouldn't have agreed to be baptized and confirmed in the Church of England before marrying Harry.

If a Christian and atheist who are in love, engaged and want to marry - and the atheist agreed for them to have a religious wedding - the only requirement from the Church towards this person is that he/she agrees to for their eventual children to be raised by a Christian spouse in the Christian faith, nothing more.

This person doesn't have to say: "so help me God (and the Holy Cross and all the Saints)" after making a marital vow to a Christian.

 

[Heavs]

The reference to Harry being "always the optimist" was in connection with him saying that the Queen "was now" reunited with Prince Philip. I take her comment to mean that Meghan is not a believer in the afterlife, or has a different interpretation thereof than Harry's. That is of course OK and to be expected as Meghan is a not a religious person and, in our secular society, increasingly fewer people take the concept of afterlife literally anyway.

According to Finding Freedom she was religious and even lead prayer circles on the set of Suits. I can't say there's ever been much evidence of it elsewhere but that is what was claimed. Of course that was 100 relaunches of their brand ago.

It might be working. People are talking about the podcasts and interview and have almost moved on from Valentine Low's book. He's kept his book in the news by doing countless interviews.

True, but I don't notice them getting particular *good* press from it. Less terrible press for sure but not necessarily what they want yet. Especially as those that actually pay attention as opposed to those who don't care either way are noticing that she's distancing herself from their own show(!) and mostly talks about herself. - What would their ideal project be? A show about their love and their wedding!

 

[Sister Morphine]

If she wasn't, she wouldn't have agreed to be baptized and confirmed in the Church of England before marrying Harry.

Sure she would have. People do all sorts of things for love, you know. Being baptized and confirmed an Anglican doesn't mean she suddenly believes something she didn't before. It means she jumped through a hoop to marry someone.

I was baptized and confirmed a Catholic. I'm an atheist. I still attend mass with my family for Christmas and other important holidays because it's important to my father that we're all together for that, but the religious sentiments mean nothing to me and haven't meant anything to me in a long, long time. If I had to join my boyfriend's faith to marry him, I'd do it...but I'd be doing it in name only so that we could get married. I wouldn't suddenly find religious faith.

Anyway, we don't know what Meghan's beliefs on God/religion are, and it's useless to speculate about them. People's thoughts and feelings and views on that subject can change wildly as they grow and mature, or they can stay the same. None of us know her personally, so we don't know her story.