Royal Families of France 1: Ending 2021

[Marengo]

I didn't realize it eather.... who did their grandchildren marrie??

well they did not marry anybody from a reigning house. Marie of France (Henri and Marie-Therese's daughter married prince Gundakar of Liechtenstein, Philip of Wurttemburg married princess & Duchess Marie of/in Bavaria and Frieddrich of Wurttemberg married princess Marie zu Wied. The other grandchildren did not marry people form mediatised houses, nobility or commoners.

 

[Warren]

One more!

well they did not marry anybody from a reigning house. Marie of France (Henri and Marie-Therese's daughter married prince Gundakar of Liechtenstein, Philip of Wurttemburg married princess & Duchess Marie of/in Bavaria and Frieddrich of Wurttemberg married princess Marie zu Wied. The other grandchildren did not marry people form mediatised houses, nobility or commoners.

Not forgetting Princess Maria Paloma, daughter of Princess Anne of France and Carlos, Duke of Calabria, Head of the Royal House of Bourbon-Two Sicilies. She married Archduke Simeon of Austria. Not reigning, but certainly glittering!
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[Marengo]

Not forgetting Princess Maria Paloma, daughter of Princess Anne of France and Carlos, Duke of Calabria, Head of the Royal House of Bourbon-Two Sicilies. She married Archduke Simeon of Austria. Not reigning, but certainly glittering!
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you are right Warren! And they are one of my favourite royal couples of this moment, so very silly to forget! And another mistake I made: the Liechtenstein family is of course still reigning.

Does anybody know where the Duchess of Montpensier lives? I believe she is taking care of her handicapped children herself? An admirable woman!

 

[Sancia]

Philippe Delorme on Regalis Genealogia made known that a little princess is born to prince Charles-Philippe of Orléans, duke of Chartres, and Ileana Manos: Isabelle, born on may 12th.

Source: http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/regalisgenealogia/message/6927

 

[tiaraprin]

OT- The SS really disliked royalty, didn't they? Of course some were involved (most notably the Waldeck Pyrmonts, Oldenburgs and Mecklenburgs) but most of them kept a distance. I remember Louis-Ferdinands story on his interigation by SS officers & how he gave them so much drinks that they became drunk and left him alone. A tricky thing as LF was, I believe slightly involved on the attack on Hitlers life in 1944. They also put Mafalda of Hesse-Kassel, nee Italy and Antonia of Bavaria, nee Luxembourg in concentrationcamps I believe. Mafalda died there and Antonia died in the 50-ties as a result of this. (I believe she was escorted to the concentrationcamp by the Prince of Waldeck-Pyrmont).

How ironic it is that Norwegian skater Sonia Henie escaped having her house taken over by the SS by prominently placing an autographed pic from Hitler from the 1936 winter Olympics in her living room.

 

[Warren]

d'Orléans Princes

...a little princess is born to prince Charles-Philippe of Orléans, duke of Chartres, and Ileana Manos: Isabelle, born on may 12th.
Source: http://fr.groups.yahoo.com/group/regalisgenealogia/message/6927

Thanks for the update Danielane, but I think that should be Charles-Louis. Charles-Philippe d'Orléans is the "other" duc d'Anjou, grandly titled but still unmarried, and a cousin of Charles-Louis (their fathers are brothers and twins).

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[Marengo]

Didn't Charles-Louis date a sister of the Duchess of Brabant for a while, I believe it was Countess Elisabeth d'Udekem-d'Acoz?

 

[Warren]

Didn't Charles-Louis date a sister of the Duchess of Brabant for a while, I believe it was Countess Elisabeth d'Udekem-d'Acoz?

Yes, he was seen out-and-about with her for a while. But he's still unmarried at 32. No spare Bavarian Princesses or Austrian Archduchesses to be found?
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[Marengo]

well, Marie-Anna of Bavaria is still single... But he will probably marry a french socialite.

 

[Sancia]

Thanks for the update Danielane, but I think that should be Charles-Louis. Charles-Philippe d'Orléans is the "other" duc d'Anjou, grandly titled but still unmarried, and a cousin of Charles-Louis (their fathers are brothers and twins).

W

Yes, I realized my mistake. It's of course Charles-Louis d'Orléans.

 

[Sancia]

The full name of the little girl is Isabelle Roxane Christine d'Orléans.

 

[bananarama]

Hi I realise there is some contention about who is the legit royals of France, but why is this man and woman in the running (if you can put it that way) ? I tried to look around for information on the net before, and I read just above that he calls France his land, but he wasn't born in France, and neither was his wife...were his parents? their parents? how long has he lived in France for? I thought he was Spanish so how if France his land?

From my veeeeeery little understanding I think he isn't the most superior but that the ones in Paris are... but I have only a vague understanding.
I recognise he has french royal ancestors, but what do you guys think? could he be more right in claiming the throne than any other french so called royal family?
I find this whole debacle very interesting, but there isn't a lot of information on it on the net. Some people say his claim is not legit, others don't. What of the royal family who lives in Paris?

also, do you think France will ever have a royal family again?

sorry for all the questions, but thanks if anyone answers them

 

[Warren]

Hi I realise there is some contention about who is the legit royals of France...

For a list of contenders for the Throne of France see post #20.

 

[Elsa M.]

Do you know anything about the fiancé of the youngest son of Princess Chantal, Alexandre Sambucy de Sorgue? I believe her named is Anne Cécile Berteau.

 

[Sancia]

Do you know anything about the fiancé of the youngest son of Princess Chantal, Alexandre Sambucy de Sorgue? I believe her named is Anne Cécile Berteau.

I'll try a research but her ancestors are not known for the moment.
In Point de Vue today, we learn she met her future husband at the university, and that she will be teacher, after having studying mathematics.

 

[Elsa M.]

Thank you, Danielane!

 

[tanya]

first of all those pictures of Princess Clothilde are not Princess marie clothidle Marie clothilde has brown eyes not blue. MC was a childhool friend of mine and i saw her when she was twenty and she had brown eyes then. I belive she would still have brown eyes i have no idea who that girl is but it is not Marie Clothilde. I have never seen her husband so i dont know who that guy is.

 

[Sancia]

first of all those pictures of Princess Clothilde are not Princess marie clothidle Marie clothilde has brown eyes not blue. MC was a childhool friend of mine and i saw her when she was twenty and she had brown eyes then. I belive she would still have brown eyes i have no idea who that girl is but it is not Marie Clothilde. I have never seen her husband so i dont know who that guy is.

Which princess are you referring to? I don't understand.

 

[Warren]

first of all those pictures of Princess Clothilde are not Princess marie clothidle .

We need some context here, or a post number so we know what you are referring to.

 

[Sancia]

We need some context here, or a post number so we know what you are referring to.

And there's no princess Marie-Clothilde of Orléans.

 

[tanya]

princess clothilde

In post 23 are links to wedding pictures of a princess called clothilde and a princess called adelaide. the link to princess clothilde is not the correct princess. the real princess clotilde has brown eyes not blue so that girl is mis named she is NOT princess clothilde. Ihave no idea who she is. if you go to the web page royal brides it has the picture under france of the real princess marie clothilde.commonly known has princess clothilde. tanya

 

[Warren]

The real deal

In post 23 are links to wedding pictures of a princess called clothilde and a princess called adelaide. the link to princess clothilde is not the correct princess. the real princess clotilde has brown eyes not blue so that girl is mis named she is NOT princess clothilde. Ihave no idea who she is. if you go to the web page royal brides it has the picture under france of the real princess marie clothilde.commonly known has princess clothilde. tanya

I have just checked Point de Vue issue #2356 dated 28 September 1993. The cover story is the wedding of Princess Clotilde d'Orléans and Edouard Crépy. The phographs are identical to those posted in the Clotilde wedding thread via the link at post 23. Her full name is Clotilde Jacqueline Charlotte Marie.

This is no imposter Princess. This is Clotilde d'Orléans.

 

[Iwona]

Is there only one male from Bonapart family?
And Also what happened to the French Bourbons? Are there decendents of this family who are still living in France?

 

[Warren]

Bonapartes and Bourbons

Is there only one male from Bonapart family?
And Also what happened to the French Bourbons? Are there decendents of this family who are still living in France?

There are three male Bonapartes living: Charles, Prince Napoleon (b 1950), his son Jean Christophe (b 1986), and Charles's brother Jerome (b 1957).

The current Bourbon-Orléans family is quite large and many members live in France, including the Head of the Royal House, Henri (VII), Comte de Paris.

 

[Sancia]

There are three male Bonapartes living: Charles, Prince Napoleon (b 1950), his son Jean Christophe (b 1986), and Charles's brother Jerome (b 1957).

The current Bourbon-Orléans family is quite large and many members live in France, including the Head of the Royal House, Henri (VII), Comte de Paris.

Please don't call them Bourbon-Orléans unless you want one more fight between the two branches. They are Bourbons, but theur family name is Orléans.

 

[Warren]

Please don't call them Bourbon-Orléans unless you want one more fight between the two branches. They are Bourbons, but their family name is Orléans.

And I was worried that if I just called them Bourbons, I would be corrected for not being specific!

 

[Sancia]

And I was worried that if I just called them Bourbons, I would be corrected for not being specific!

I imagine! Legally, the count of Paris is Henri d'Orléans. So one side there's the Bourbon (with Luis-Alfonso), on the other side the Orléans (with Henri).

 

[Iwona]

I don't know what the difference between Orlean and Bourbons is.Are they branches of bigger family or they are different?

Also I wonder about Bonapart family, Napoleon had many sisters and brothers, who had also children, but today there are only three male from that family.So what happened to the desendent of Napoleon's sisters?

 

[Sancia]

I don't know what the difference between Orleans and Bourbons is.Are they branches of bigger family or they are different?

The Orléans are descendants from the late king Louis-Philippe Ier of the French, who belonged to the branch of the dukes of Orléans (descendants of the youngest brother of king Louis XIV) but are from the Bourbons family. Their legal name since 300 years (and more) is Orléans.
The Bourbon branch is a descendant of the spanish Bourbon (kings of Spain). Don Luis Alfonso (Louis XX) is a great-grand-son of King Alfonso XIII of Spain.

 

[Toledo]

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