Restoration of the Monarchy in Romania


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:previous: Interesting. I always thought that it was the Government's decision.
Cory said:
The biggest Marches were in Bucharest and Cluj but even in Timisoara and Craiova there were quite successful:
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That's promising news. Hopefully we'll know what the results of the marches were soon. If the monarchy is restored, I wonder who will assume the throne - King Michael or Prince Nicolae? I've read upthread that Nicolae is not as well known as King Michael in Romania, which I too am surprised about. You would've thought that a newly created Prince would have more recognition.

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Yes I was surprised by the numbers in the crowds,I wonder what the King & Royal Family make of it all?
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It would be interesting to know what the Romanian Royals think of all this. I know that if I were King Michael, I would want to assume the throne once more. Or maybe he doesn't want to reign again.
 
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There is no doubt the Royal Family is prepared to reign again.

The newspaper"Gandul" invited the Romanians at a poll in favour of Monarchy or Republic:

SONDAJ Gândul. Monarhie constituţională sau republică? - Gandul

There is a question that everybody really avoid to put: do Princess Margareta and her husband really support the restoration of Monarchy or they prefer the role they have now in the republican society?

It is hard to know the real feelings of Princess Margareta or of her husband regarding the Restoration of Monarchy.

On the 26th of April the royalists from the southern part of the country will participate at Galati (Hall "Nicolae Balceascu " of the Business Center "Dunarea") at a Conference with the title "The Constitutional Monarchy. A legitimate project for Romania"". The event is organized by ANRM and will be followed by a meeting of the leadership of the royalists'Association.

Events organized by the royalists of ANRM for the 10th of May:

Evenimentele organizate de Alianța Națională pentru Restaurarea Monarhiei pentru celebrarea zilei de 10 Mai | Casa Regală a României
 
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Cory said:
There is a question that everybody really avoid to put: do Princess Margareta and her husband really support the restoration of Monarchy or they prefer the role they have now in the republican society?
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Hmmm... Never thought about that. With HM in favor of a restoration (how wonderful it would be for the king to get the send off he deserves when the time comes), I would like to think the Crown couple would also be in favor of one. It's clear that Prince Nicolae is as he is quoted as saying, that he would not turn down the offer of being king if the people wished it.

At the Crown Princesses age, it might possibly be a thought in the back of her head to simply keep her current role rather than wording about becoming Queen in the event of a restoration.

But as I said, if the King is in favor and would like to see it (restoration), then I find it hard to think that the Crown Princess would feel differently.

Then again, those of is here at the forums, can't speak for her or read her mind.
 
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The leader of the main opposition party says Monarchy could be restored in the future if the people wants it because the republic does not really have legitimacy:

Antonescu: Republica noastră nu are destulă legitimitate. Monarhia ar putea fi un proiect | ActiveNews

The leader of the Romanian Orthodox Church is not too close to the Royal Family and the members of the royal Family should be allowed anyhow to profess the religion they want.

HM the King and the 5 Princesses are Orthodox but HM the Queen is obviously Catholic. To impose a certain religion to somebody is against the essential human rights.

in the Netherlands the Queen is Catholic and the King Protestant. In the UK the laws forbiding a member of the Royal Family to marry a Catholic will be changed.

Religion is very important at least in Romania.

For the moment there is not important political party in favour of the restoration.
 
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I feel a restoration should place King Michael on the throne with Princess Margareta assuming the same role that the Prince of Wales does in relation to Queen Elizabeth, taking on many of the duties of the King. With King Michael on the throne I feel it would a symbolic gesture to heal some of the wounds of the communist era and provide a sense of continuity.

I would like to see a religious crowning by the Patriarch of the Romanian Orthodox Church with participation of the other large Christian denominations. I feel this would provide a further sense of legitimacy and assist the Romanian people in further getting away from the cultural damage of the communist era.
 
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Cory said:
The leader of the Romanian Orthodox Church is not too close to the Royal Family and the members of the royal Family should be allowed anyhow to profess the religion they want.
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It doesn't matter if they are close, it is a matter of legitimacy and a matter of solemnity. Most of the world's monarchs are required to practice the faith of the majority of the nations people.
 
The Queen is Catholic ,but the rest of the family are Romanian Orthodox?
 
Cory said:
HM the King and the 5 Princesses are Orthodox but HM the Queen is obviously Catholic. To impose a certain religion to somebody is against the essential human rights.
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Then you better tell the British, Swedish, Dutch, Japanese, etc. governments they are violating the basic human rights of their royal families.
 
Yes, but the British Monarch must be in communion with the Church of England and a heir to the Throne can't be Catholic. Every single member of the Danish and Swedish Royal Families must be Lutherans. Not sure about the Norwegian Royal Family.
 
Regardless of the religion, the very thought that the monarchy could be restored is wonderful. It is the history of the people of Romania and to have their king back would help bring back the sense of history to the people. They really need to heal from the communists era and this is a way to do just that. I will be cheering them on when the time comes....sooner rather then later!
 
Cris M said:
Yes, but the British Monarch must be in communion with the Church of England and a heir to the Throne can't be Catholic. Every single member of the Danish and Swedish Royal Families must be Lutherans. Not sure about the Norwegian Royal Family.
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There is a huge difference between bulk of European monarchies, which typically do have provisions regarding their religion, and a non-reigning house that is seeking restoration in the way they treat religion.

The relationship between crown and church is a long established one that typically was forged well before the idea of freedom of religion, religious tolerance, and religious equality came into play. Now throughout Europe it's considered somewhat a given that an individual has a right to freedom of religion and that the state does not have the right to impose a religion on its people which means that two things happen when a monarch has an imposed religion - first of all the monarch (and the royal family) isn't being granted the same basic right that the citizens/subjects have, and secondly the state is saying "freedom of religion is good, but really this religion is the right one."

In Britain or Denmark or Sweden this continues not because its right or its decent, but because it's something that has gone on for so long it's become a part of the identity of the family, and therefore is likely to cause as many problems to change as it would to leave it - so the status quo remains, at least until someone forces a change.

In a monarchy facing restoration, forcing a relationship with the church can impose un-democratic values on the royal family and can alienate subjects who do not belong to that church, two things which you don't really want or need to do in the 21st century. If restored the Romanians could do a coronation without the church and have a succession that adheres to principles of equality - both of gender and religion - and be better for it.
 
İ think religion is not a big subject at the moment for balkan monarchiest. The main idea is this. How can be possible a monarchy or lots of monarchies in balkan? Obviosly it must be 'democratic' / constitunal, of course it's must be plural party system. After communism people want westernisation, freedom, morality and libertarian/individual rights. Of course since communist destruction to present this countries ruled by unliberal totalitarian parties. All of big protests against them and most of democratic, social, centrist or individualists on protest (bulldoser in ex-yugoslavia area, euromaiden in ukraine, liberal bektashi union in albania, liberty students in bulgaria etc...) wants 'democratic and elective monarchy'. There is no good state president but A lovely cute apolitic monarch :)

Lord Minister Evaoglou Captain Alexakis A. Ilker Sancak of Manahosz of Surmenia-Trabzon (Καπετανος Αλεχακις δο Ποντος
 
the idea of King Michael back on the throne, even at his advanced age is a lovely one. Not many things coming out of Romania have been all that lovely. The communists were worse than appalling.But the King is one decent and honorable and truly noble human being. His action in getting rid of the fascist regime at the end of World War II probably shortened the war by six months. He was in recognition of it awarded the Order of Victory by Joseph Stalin no less. So however you say it in Romanian "Long Live the King"
 
Having the monarch crowned by the Romanian Patriarch in no way diminishes anyone's freedom of religion, it does not diminish democracy or constitutionalism. I might point out that the Romanian government supports recognized religions and that 85% of Romanians are Orthodox. It would make the ceremony more solemn, more traditional, rather like a marriage. Even in the US the phrase "so help me God" is frequently used official swearings.
 
Admiral Horthy said:
Having the monarch crowned by the Romanian Patriarch in no way diminishes anyone's freedom of religion, it does not diminish democracy or constitutionalism. I might point out that the Romanian government supports recognized religions and that 85% of Romanians are Orthodox. It would make the ceremony more solemn, more traditional, rather like a marriage. Even in the US the phrase "so help me God" is frequently used official swearings.
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Absolutely, correct! I completely agree! Unification like such is important for the king and country!
 
Unlike in Georgia or Serbia the Romanian Orthodox Church does not support the Restoration of Monarchy and the Patriarch was not present in the Parliament when HM the King delivered His famous Speech three years ago.
 
Cory said:
Unlike in Georgia or Serbia the Romanian Orthodox Church does not support the Restoration of Monarchy and the Patriarch was not present in the Parliament when HM the King delivered His famous Speech three years ago.
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I don't understand... Why would they not support it?
 
Could next political elections change the current situation?
 
Cory said:
Unlike in Georgia or Serbia the Romanian Orthodox Church does not support the Restoration of Monarchy and the Patriarch was not present in the Parliament when HM the King delivered His famous Speech three years ago.
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One would assume that the Romanian Orthodox Church would support the king and his family. It's a shame that they do not!
 
USCtrojan said:
One would assume that the Romanian Orthodox Church would support the king and his family. It's a shame that they do not!
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The church probably supports the government. Supporting a restoration of a deposed monarch can be a tricky thing when the government doesn't openly do so either.

It is odd if there is no visible relationship between the Romanian Royal Family and the church, but not odd for the church to not be openly supporting a restoration.
 
The Romanian Orthodox Church always favours who is in power.
 
Cris M said:
Yes, but the British Monarch must be in communion with the Church of England and a heir to the Throne can't be Catholic. Every single member of the Danish and Swedish Royal Families must be Lutherans. Not sure about the Norwegian Royal Family.
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According to the Norwegian constitution, the King must necessarily be Lutheran, but there is no explicit religious test for other members of the Royal Family.

In Sweden, the Act of Succession mandates that the King and all "princes or princesses of the Royal House" be Lutheran. Any member of the Royal Family who does not profess the Lutheran faith is automatically excluded from the line of succession to the throne.
 
In Romania the Queen is Catholic and the King is Ortodox but in the Constitution of 1923 all the Princes of the Royal House were forced to be raised as Orthodox.

30% of the Romanians want the Constitutional Monarchy and 45 % have a good or very good opinion of the Royal Family:

SONDAJ Aproape jumătate dintre români ar vota împotriva monarhiei | adevarul.ro

In Russia and Germany the support of the Monarchy is lower than in Romania and Serbia.

In Romania there are the strongest possibilities of restoration of Monarchy.

In 1990 not even 10% of the population was in favour of Monarchy.

The real increase of support for Monarchy in Romania happened in the last three years after HM the Kings speech in the Parliament.
In Germany or Russia you would not see Marches for the Restoration of Monarchy as you see in Romania.

In the case of the restoration probably the choice will be between HH Prince Karl of Hohenzollern and Nicholas de Roumanie Medforth Mills.
 
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Serbian, Russian and (young) German support for monarchy is also around the 30% isn't it? Strange. But promising for the future, if we can assume that many people opposed to monarchy are from the older generation and still attached to twentieth century notions of socialist revolution and republicanism. Romanian support might increase once Prince Nicolae has learned the language, married and raised a family.
 
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