Marius Borg Høiby News & Current Events Part 1: December 2023 -

[DukeOfWashington]

My guess is that the palace will say nothing about the MM accusations. They certainly wouldn't want to add fuel to the media fire, and they wouldn't want to risk inadvertently implicating her in all this.

Absent a chorus of members of parliament calling for a response, I'd bet they aren't going to say anything either. No reason to if she's not guilty of doing anything illegal. Just inaccurate reporting. And what could they say if she did do something illegal?

 

[Lori138]

I am curious as to why MM went to 'clean' house when the arrest was going to happen outside of Palace grounds? The only explanation I see is that she made sure her son's phone was inoperable and not able to be searched. She would have known that the Police would not be in the house.

 

[Muhler]

And Queen Sonja is still working, isn't she? Assuming her health remains good, perhaps she could continue as "lead queen" until Ingrid completes her education and starts a family.

The real problem would be if something happens to King Harald before the Marius situation has been settled and dropped off the radar. If Haakon had to take the throne now, while his sick wife is implicated in the mess, his children are still in school, and his sister is married to whatever that guy is, he'd have no support, other than his 87-year-old mother and his 92-year-old aunt.

My guess is that the palace will say nothing about the MM accusations. They certainly wouldn't want to add fuel to the media fire, and they wouldn't want to risk inadvertently implicating her in all this.

Yeah, it looks pretty dire, eh?

I believe this latest accusation, because that's basically what it is, about MM is so serious that this time the NRF has to issue a statement denying it. Because for each day that pass without this being refuted it becomes more and more believable and finally a fact.
Also, people can perhaps forgive a devastated mother calling the girlfriend of her son, right after her son has been arrested for abusing that girlfriend, in order to smooth things out. - But this latest accusation. You really have to be a seriously diehard royalist to overlook that.

Absent a chorus of members of parliament calling for a response, I'd bet they aren't going to say anything either. No reason to if she's not guilty of doing anything illegal. Just inaccurate reporting. And what could they say if she did do something illegal?

The Norwegian politicians have been remarkably silent in all this.
My take is that they know that eventually the public searchlight will seek out what various government did or did not do for the past ten years. The governments are after all there to guide and advise the NRF, also when they do something stupid.
No one IMO wants to rock the political boat.

 

[LadyFinn]

Haakon this evening:
- I understand that there are many questions about this. It is a demanding situation. There is an ongoing police investigation, and I don't think it is right to say so much about individual elements. As a family, we try to look after each other, and in addition to that, we are keen to do our job.

- Vi prøver å ta vare på hverandre

Kronprins Haakon snakket om den vanskelige familiesituasjonen.

www.seher.no

 

[Mbruno]

The Constitution does not provide an official role for the monarch's spouse, and the monarchy has functioned in the past without having a monarch's consort performing duties (King Olav V was unmarried over the course of his reign from 1957 to 1991). So there would be no particular constitutional issues if, hypothetically, Mette-Marit retired permanently (and indeed, that possibility must have been in everyone's minds since her diagnosis of pulmonary fibrosis was announced).

Kongeriket Norges Grunnlov - Lovdata

Grunnloven (bokmål) - Grl.

lovdata.no

She may retire from public life entirely, but I suppose M-M would still be Queen when Haakon became King, because that is the title of the King’s wife. They would have to divorce for her to cease being the Queen.

 

[Prinsara]

Then Ingrid will have to step in. And basically take the glamorous role of "queen."

She has to go to school and do what she needs to to be an effective monarch herself. It’s not 1957 anymore. As Tatiana Maria pointed out, not only is a consort not required but there hasn’t been one for a good chunk of the post-1905 monarchy.

Perhaps Magnus should step in instead?

 

[Kataryn]

I personally decided that for me MM is a victim of her former life's consequences. The wish to better herself and have a better life for herself and her children is understandible. She did well in that. She obviously remainded Haakon's love. That her first child is, well, not within the expectations and she tries to help him, is nothing to point against her. She now seems to wait that the powers-to-be do what they were established to do. She seems to love her son and maybe did some wrong things: while he grew up and now. I understand this and I've always liked her. I don't care for Marius, I think I understand abit where he's come from but there could have been better decisions. Noone would have questions about his life or his finances if he lived quietly, married a nice lady and supported his stepdad and sister. But poor MM!

 

[DukeOfWashington]

I too have always like MM and do have much sympathy for her here. Perhaps only sympathy tbh.

 

[Prinsara]

That her first child is, well, not within the expectations and she tries to help him, is nothing to point against her.

No, unless she broke the law while doing so — which we really don’t know that she did. There’s got to be something more than speculation to condemn her.

So we wait and see. I’m guessing we’re not going to have a quick wait to find out what really happened, though.

 

[polyesco]

Haakon this evening:
- I understand that there are many questions about this. It is a demanding situation. There is an ongoing police investigation, and I don't think it is right to say so much about individual elements. As a family, we try to look after each other, and in addition to that, we are keen to do our job.

- Vi prøver å ta vare på hverandre

Kronprins Haakon snakket om den vanskelige familiesituasjonen.

www.seher.no

How nice. Haakon doesn't want to comment because it's an ongoing police investigation.
But destroying a phone's sim card, okay.
"Cleaning" out the house by the Crown Princess, okay.
Contacting the 3rd victim, okay.
But now he wants to be careful about interfering in a police investigation. Please

 

[Muhler]

She has to go to school and do what she needs to to be an effective monarch herself. It’s not 1957 anymore. As Tatiana Maria pointed out, not only is a consort not required but there hasn’t been one for a good chunk of the post-1905 monarchy.

Perhaps Magnus should step in instead?

Magnus is even younger and he is not destined to be a monarch. - And to be cynical, Magnus would look terrible in a dress and wearing a tiara.
Ingrid would simply have to work alongside her studies, as so many young people have to.

Ingrid is the last ace the NRF has. - King Harald, Queen Sonja are on their way out, to put it bluntly.

 

[DukeOfWashington]

More of Crown Prince Haakon's quote:

 

[kalnel]

More of Crown Prince Haakon's quote:

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Well, there's the answer. They won't be making any actual statements. And, really, what could he say anyway?

 

[Hans-Rickard]

She has to go to school and do what she needs to to be an effective monarch herself. It’s not 1957 anymore. As Tatiana Maria pointed out, not only is a consort not required but there hasn’t been one for a good chunk of the post-1905 monarchy.

Perhaps Magnus should step in instead?

That was my thought too… There is really not constitutionally neccessary to have someone showing up in any of the tiaras as long as the monarch is not a female… And for incoming state visits and the annual parliament dinner, even a studying Ingrid Alexandra can attend the these banquets if neccessary…

To order her to stop her education in her early 20:s and pack her full with royal duties that also can be undertaken by a man, would be a disaster in my opinion… She cannot be compared to Princess Astrid as she is about to become a monarch herself, and must be allowed to prepare herself…

It would be much better (but still not a good option) to ask Magnus to put his education on pause and start to help out with royal duties….. But for that to happen they need to change their current mindset that Magnus is a private citizen and not expected to do anything for the monarchy…

The ongoing situations with both Marius and Märtha Louise should be enough proof of why having ”official members” of a royal family that is not expected to do anything at all for the monarchy, is a bad idea..

More of Crown Prince Haakon's quote:

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The press will now try to milk anything they can out of him… Every word he says, every facial move, every movement of his eyes etc will be analyzed… But he knows that answering one question about Marius during a press conference about something else, would be like opening a can of worms with questions… The NRF doesn’t have much luck at the moment, but one luck they do have is that Haakon have nerves of steel and can handle media pressure…

If the NRF says anything at all collectively about Marius (wich i think they should, at least denying things that they know are not true), then it should come from a prepared statement, and not on an impromptu press conference where The Crown Prince is bombarded with questions..

 

[Prinsara]

This does beg the question of whether Harald’s remarks the other night were not in response to what’s been going on, but to what was about to break.

 

[victor1319]

I am curious as to why MM went to 'clean' house when the arrest was going to happen outside of Palace grounds? The only explanation I see is that she made sure her son's phone was inoperable and not able to be searched. She would have known that the Police would not be in the house.

"She would have known"... Yeah, if she was a cool headed person!

But under stress people do the strangest things! We do not know what and to what extent she knew about Marius' activities. Perhaps she knew... Or she simply got a strange feeling over time already about all her son's parties and actions and wanted to check and ended cleaning up?

 

[Somebody]

What was the exact question Haakon responded to? Was it about the Marius situation in general or about Mette Marit's possible involvement in the process towards the arrest? Because depending on which question was asked the 'this' might be interpreted differently as well as the specific reference on taking care of each other as a family.

 

[Snowangel]

What was the exact question Haakon responded to? Was it about the Marius situation in general or about Mette Marit's possible involvement in the process towards the arrest? Because depending on which question was asked the 'this' might be interpreted differently as well as the specific reference on taking care of each other as a family.

The question that was asked was :"would you mind sharing some of your thoughts about the difficult situation the family is in"

 

[Alondra]

I have noticed from time to time that there are suggestions that Marius should suffer some kind of personality disorder.
We of course don't know if he is and I certainly have no qualifications to even venture a guess.

If we are to sum up Marius personality:
He a bit of a risk-taker, (driving wild and crashing, that was fun! As well as jet-skiing with Ingrid.)
He likes to see himself a a rebel.
He shows very little respect for the norms and rules of the society.
He likes attention.
He likes to appear tough. Bad boy attitude.
He has next to no respect for other people, even those close to him.
He feels little if any remorse.
He blames other people. (Phone recordings with the third girlfriend, and accusing Snekkestad of abusing him.)
He has no qualms about stealing from other people, even those most close to him. Wine-cellar, gas-card, moped.
He has fits of uncontrollable anger.
Han can be very charming. Funny-Marius. Crazy-Marius.
He is however very protective of a few people, Marius and Ingrid.
(I probably left something out, but you fill in the blanks.)

I'm in no doubt that fits with a personality disorder or two.

However.... It also describes quite a lot very immature young men.
Especially if they are very entitled.
Haven been over-indulged.
Not overly-bright.
Have been spoiled rotten.
Selfish.
Have never really had to work to get anything.
Have always lived a life where they never lacked any necessities.
Have never experienced discipline and as such having been taught about boundaries.

- So in my most unqualified eyes, the verdict is still out as to whether Marius really has a personality disorder.

Perhaps someone who knows a lot more can enlighten us?

I have no idea if Marius have a personality disorder but the problems with him right now fall squarely under the responsibility of the Royal House.

Years ago in a documentary called "Princess in Exile", Raghnild said about Marius something like this ( just from memory): "I feel sad for the son Mette has. They have a new child who is the heir to the throne, and Marius is nothing. He's only 7 y.o. but will understand that there is a difference. And it will bring problems to them. I hope they've thought about that"

My impression is that the Royal House in Norway never made a plan for Marius to fully integrate him in the responsibilities of belonging to the institutional house and role. In a way, it was all very Scandinavian and tribal, thinking it will all work out in the end without doing the hard work. The reality is that societies change and royals need to change with them unless they want to become obsolete.

Having said this, I think it's important to say that I've never been to Norway and have no idea how Norwegians feel about what's going on with their royal family. Posting my own feelings from a different country, means nothing to how Norwegians feel, specially when the press can't be trusted to tell the truth because they have different agendas.