Marius Borg Høiby News & Current Events Part 1: December 2023 -

[PhillyMonarchist]

Is no one talking about this or are comments being restricted or removed?

No one talking about it

 

[blooms_rulers]

No one talking about it

How can you know that for sure? Unless you’re monitoring their SM 24/7.

By the way, a quick perusal of a few posts show that there are existing comments that criticize how this is being handled by the NRF.

 

[Lady Daly]

How can you know that for sure? Unless you’re monitoring their SM 24/7.

By the way, a quick perusal of a few posts show that there are existing comments that criticize how this is being handled by the NRF.

I reviewed this post on IG and almost all the other comments were very supportive of the Crown Prince & Princess.

The point is the NRF isn't officially commenting.

Det Norske Kongehuset on Instagram: "Ved Lysakerelven i Oslo ligger Fåbro hage🧑‍🌾🍎 Her dyrker anleggsgartnere fra U.reist spiselige vekster, og trekker nabolaget inn i driften. Sammen med Fåbro hages egen bybonde Anna Andersen og elever fra 5. trinn

7,711 likes, 49 comments - detnorskekongehus on September 26, 2024: "Ved Lysakerelven i Oslo ligger Fåbro hage🧑‍🌾🍎 Her dyrker anleggsgartnere fra U.reist spiselige vekster, og trekker nabolaget inn i driften. Sammen med Fåbro hages egen bybonde Anna Andersen og elever fra 5. trinn ved Lilleaker...

www.instagram.com

 

[blooms_rulers]

I reviewed this post on IG and almost all the other comments were very supportive of the Crown Prince & Princess.

PhillyMonarchist is stating that no one is talking about this. That’s inaccurate. Whether the posts are supportive or not supportive, comments are being made about the situation itself and/or how it’s being handled by the NRF.

 

[LadyFinn]

Dagbladet writes about the case:
Dagbladet is informed that after a party it was discovered that valuable silverware had been taken from the CP couple's residence. An attempt was made to sell it via an auction house, but was stopped. Dagbladet asked the Oslo police if the theft was reported, but hasn't received an answer.
The police investigation into Marius is ongoing at full strength. Dagbladet has tried to get in touch with his defender, Øyvind Bratlien, without success.
Experts on organized crime and security have previously said that Marius' circle of friends poses a security risk. At the recordings with the police Marius said:
- My friends have stood up for me and never involved me in any nonsense. They have their jobs and I do mine. We are good friends and they have been there for me when I've needed it, without there being anything dangerous that I couldn't have told you in a way. My circle of friends has been the same for the past ten years, and that's just the way it is. My parents know it, and so do my friends, and I can't do anything about that.

Oppdaget tyveri etter fest

Verdifullt sølvtøy ble stjålet fra kronprinsparet på Skaugum, får Dagbladet opplyst.

www.dagbladet.no

 

[Muhler]

It's so tribal

It's not tribal Muhler. It's a political/economic system closing ranks with each other to maintain the status quo.

We've seen the same issues being played in many other monarchies in Europe, without the tribal component you think of as a Scandinavian.

Hmm, I'm not quite sure we talk about the same thing.
Yes, there are plenty of examples of the establishment/leading elite of the society or whatever you want to call it, covering up, also for royals.
I'm talking about the people agreeing to close their eyes to something in this case. And that's a pretty common thing in small countries with a small fairly homogeneous population. We tend to think and as such also act alike or in agreement and view things alike. That very much reminds of the mentality of a village or tribe.

He’s an addict. Neither his parents, nor the parents of the many millions of addicts in the world, stuffed substances up his nose, nor into his veins, or his lungs, or down his throat. He - and all the millions of other addicts- did it to himself.

Addicts can be very cunning, and it might be weeks or months or years before their families become aware. And surely most families take steps to address the problem, counseling, rehabilitation, hospitalization….What most families don’t do is call in the cops, or the newspapers, or the general world, to announce their son’s or daughter’s illness.

Many families do every thing they can to ‘cure’ their loved one, and to protect them, and to bring them to a state of healing so that the restored addict can go on with his/her life. They don’t need to be shamed and excoriated in the public square; they need to be protected, and ‘saved’. Until or unless events intercede, and then the whole thing explodes upon the public.

I can’t blame Marius’ (four) parents for doing what practically every other parent in the world would have done. Now he must face the consequences, but this sad story is far too common to be a huge morality play featuring the NRF. It’s a family tragedy, and surely there were outsiders who were only hoping to protecting all involved. It’s not an indictment of the NRF, or of the very human failings of their members.

It’s a sad story in which too many families find themselves involved.

I don't think anyone can disagree with what you say.
The problem is of course that the NRF is not a normal family. In contrast to the vast majority of other Norwegian families the NRF live their entire lives as public as possible and being the leading family of the country, that comes with both responsibility and scrutiny.
The major problem is that while most other Norwegian families can be pretty powerless in knowing how to deal with an addict within the family, the NRF, or at least the CP couple (we don't know yet to what extent if any King Harald was involved) were both warned and informed. And also had the resources at their disposal to act, up to and including the point of committing Marius by force - or at least keep him under some sort of house arrest at Skaugum and restrict his movements as much as possible while providing him with the best help Norway can offer.
Yet, Marius was allowed to exhibit worse and worse behavior and act more and more aggressive towards his surroundings, including smashing up his home, probably more than once.
They also had the option of keeping Marius away from his criminal friends as much as it was possible, by simply giving him a police escort each time he left Skaugum, with free hands to intervene. That alone should make Marius undesirable to his criminal friends.

In other words: The CP couple had options at their disposal that other Norwegian families in a similar situation can only dream of.

And Marius had victims. Four victims. - The three girlfriends his abused, probably several times each. And the man who was threatened on his life.

So there comes a point, also for normal families, where you have to intervene drastically, if you can. Or let your family-member sail on his own sea. Yet, the CP Couple did no such thing. So when would they have done something drastic? When he had killed or hospitalized a girlfriend? When he had run someone over? Killed himself?
I mean if we take this to the extreme Marius could very well at some point, because nothing was done and he was (well still is perhaps) getting worse, have beaten up his mother or Haakon, or hurt Magnus or Ingrid or for that matter have pushed King Harald over and given his age and frailty that could be pretty serious!
In normal Norwegian families if you hurt your grandfather you have a serious problem on your hands! If Marius had hurt his bonus-grandfather, Norway would have a serious problem!

The irony is that while it is indeed very shameful to have a Marius in your family and not knowing what do do and preferring to hide that to the public. The NRF in contrast would have been showered in sympathy by going public with their problems and being a role-model in how to deal with such an issue and as such being even more relatable had they gone public earlier.

I think what irks people, and indeed also disappoint people, it certainly irks me, is that the CO Couple not only did next to nothing, but allowed Marius to run more and more wild and it appears, did their best to cover it up - beyond the extent where Marius had become a real threat to other people.

It boils down to this: Your rights and your behavior don't trump my rights to feel safe.

Dagbladet writes about the case:
(...)
- My friends have stood up for me and never involved me in any nonsense. They have their jobs and I do mine. We are good friends and they have been there for me when I've needed it, without there being anything dangerous that I couldn't have told you in a way. My circle of friends has been the same for the past ten years, and that's just the way it is. My parents know it, and so do my friends, and I can't do anything about that.

Oppdaget tyveri etter fest

Verdifullt sølvtøy ble stjålet fra kronprinsparet på Skaugum, får Dagbladet opplyst.

www.dagbladet.no

That's a load of bulldust!!

Your have a moral obligation to the society you are a part of.

Marius friends are not people who do a little insurance fraud, or is moonlighting or do a little shoplifting. These are hardcore criminals who has done time for serious crimes, not just once. And there are victims of their crimes!

So Marius is basically not only thumbing his nose at the Norwegian society, the laws, the system and the police, he is also thumbing his nose at the victims and he is openly saying that he doesn't give a hoot about them.

Marius, like everybody else has a choice:
If your friends are hardcore criminals you can either dumb them or stick to them.
If you choose to stick with them, don't say that what they do has nothing to do with you. It has. Because you accept and condone their behavior by remaining friends with them. And you put your own social needs above the victims of the crimes your friends commit.

 

[kalnel]

That's a load of bulldust!!

Your have a moral obligation to the society you are a part of.

Marius friends are not people who do a little insurance fraud, or is moonlighting or do a little shoplifting. These are hardcore criminals who has done time for serious crimes, not just once. And there are victims of their crimes!

So Marius is basically not only thumbing his nose at the Norwegian society, the laws, the system and the police, he is also thumbing his nose at the victims and he is openly saying that he doesn't give a hoot about them.

Marius, like everybody else has a choice:
If your friends are hardcore criminals you can either dumb them or stick to them.
If you choose to stick with them, don't say that what they do has nothing to do with you. It has. Because you accept and condone their behavior by remaining friends with them. And you put your own social needs above the victims of the crimes your friends commit.

I was pretty horrified as his description of his criminal friends as doing "their jobs." Is "criminal" a job in Norway?

 

[PhillyMonarchist]

Hmm, I'm not quite sure we talk about the same thing.
Yes, there are plenty of examples of the establishment/leading elite of the society or whatever you want to call it, covering up, also for royals.
I'm talking about the people agreeing to close their eyes to something in this case. And that's a pretty common thing in small countries with a small fairly homogeneous population. We tend to think and as such also act alike or in agreement and view things alike. That very much reminds of the mentality of a village or tribe.

I don't think anyone can disagree with what you say.
The problem is of course that the NRF is not a normal family. In contrast to the vast majority of other Norwegian families the NRF live their entire lives as public as possible and being the leading family of the country, that comes with both responsibility and scrutiny.
The major problem is that while most other Norwegian families can be pretty powerless in knowing how to deal with an addict within the family, the NRF, or at least the CP couple (we don't know yet to what extent if any King Harald was involved) were both warned and informed. And also had the resources at their disposal to act, up to and including the point of committing Marius by force - or at least keep him under some sort of house arrest at Skaugum and restrict his movements as much as possible while providing him with the best help Norway can offer.
Yet, Marius was allowed to exhibit worse and worse behavior and act more and more aggressive towards his surroundings, including smashing up his home, probably more than once.
They also had the option of keeping Marius away from his criminal friends as much as it was possible, by simply giving him a police escort each time he left Skaugum, with free hands to intervene. That alone should make Marius undesirable to his criminal friends.

In other words: The CP couple had options at their disposal that other Norwegian families in a similar situation can only dream of.

And Marius had victims. Four victims. - The three girlfriends his abused, probably several times each. And the man who was threatened on his life.

So there comes a point, also for normal families, where you have to intervene drastically, if you can. Or let your family-member sail on his own sea. Yet, the CP Couple did no such thing. So when would they have done something drastic? When he had killed or hospitalized a girlfriend? When he had run someone over? Killed himself?
I mean if we take this to the extreme Marius could very well at some point, because nothing was done and he was (well still is perhaps) getting worse, have beaten up his mother or Haakon, or hurt Magnus or Ingrid or for that matter have pushed King Harald over and given his age and frailty that could be pretty serious!
In normal Norwegian families if you hurt your grandfather you have a serious problem on your hands! If Marius had hurt his bonus-grandfather, Norway would have a serious problem!

The irony is that while it is indeed very shameful to have a Marius in your family and not knowing what do do and preferring to hide that to the public. The NRF in contrast would have been showered in sympathy by going public with their problems and being a role-model in how to deal with such an issue and as such being even more relatable had they gone public earlier.

I think what irks people, and indeed also disappoint people, it certainly irks me, is that the CO Couple not only did next to nothing, but allowed Marius to run more and more wild and it appears, did their best to cover it up - beyond the extent where Marius had become a real threat to other people.

It boils down to this: Your rights and your behavior don't trump my rights to feel safe.

If they came out with this earlier they be called even confirmed the republicans would jump at the chance!

 

[Muhler]

If they came out with this earlier they be called even confirmed the republicans would jump at the chance!

Well, they sure have a bigger problem now!

Everybody, even royals, can have issues within the family. That's what makes them relatable and that's the big strength of a monarchy.
Admitting and dealing with that makes them role-models. Even if they fail.
Not admitting that and not dealing with these issues, makes them questionable. And that's where the republicans come in for real.

Republicans are after all not bogeymen, most are sincere in their convictions.
In fact I suspect quite a few royals of being republicans deep down, because they of all people know the flaws and the personal price of a monarchy. They of course also know they have an opportunity, few will ever get, to really make a difference by being royals.

 

[polyesco]

Well, they sure have a bigger problem now!

Everybody, even royals, can have issues within the family. That's what makes them relatable and that's the big strength of a monarchy.
Admitting and dealing with that makes them role-models. Even if they fail.
Not admitting that and not dealing with these issues, makes them questionable. And that's where the republicans come in for real.

Republicans are after all not bogeymen, most are sincere in their convictions.
In fact I suspect quite a few royals of being republicans deep down, because they of all people know the flaws and the personal price of a monarchy. They of course also know they have an opportunity, few will ever get, to really make a difference by being royals.

Agree. Not dealing with the issue is much worse than having the issue itself. No kids are perfect and parents can do everything "right" and still have a problem child. But its the enabling that is the issue.
3 victims have been abused physically and emotionally, the previous two were very close to the CP family.
One guard almost got seriously injured or even killed.
Property was stolen, taxpayer money in the form of the gas card was stolen.
all these things and not dealing with them??
I mean minimum, the diplomatic passport should have been taken away years ago?

the CP couple have responsibilities

 

[kalnel]

Agree. Not dealing with the issue is much worse than having the issue itself. No kids are perfect and parents can do everything "right" and still have a problem child. But its the enabling that is the issue.
3 victims have been abused physically and emotionally, the previous two were very close to the CP family.
One guard almost got seriously injured or even killed.
Property was stolen, taxpayer money in the form of the gas card was stolen.
all these things and not dealing with them??
I mean minimum, the diplomatic passport should have been taken away years ago?

the CP couple have responsibilities

I agree with the idea that the CP couple should have taken steps to deal with Marius, but it sounds to me like they have been trying. After all, Marius himself says he has been to rehab in the past, so they must have confronted him about this previously and tried to get him help.

For all we know, perhaps the reason he has been living at Skaugum was their (failed) attempt to keep him a little closer and, hopefully, out of harm's way.

The fact that MM called one of the victims suggests that they are involved with Marius's life and know his friends. That could be a very concerning thing, since some of his friends allegedly are criminals, but it is a sign that they are engaged with him. (Her call still strikes me as a terrible lapse in judgment, but it's consistent with her other lapses in judgment.)

I'm not concerned about the supposed incident with the guard, since that comes from Marius, who would not be a very credible reporter in my mind. It doesn't take a big leap to imagine him blowing this up to try to seem cool.

The story about the gas card is concerning, because it shows that really bad people are moving freely around the CP family home. The fact that it went undetected for a year isn't surprising, since it could be a card that many have access to. But, we don't know what steps, if any, Haakon or his household manager took once they uncovered the incident.

There's a lot to criticize in terms of how they have or haven't reacted so far, but unless they speak out, we won't know their perspective. (And, I'd still be advising them to remain silent until the whole thing is wrapped up in court.)

 

[Toledo]

I don’t understand if Marius maintains that he isn’t guilty, why the reticence in talking to the police? And they’ve already interviewed others many times. Does Marius get to say “ I don’t wanna” and that is acceptable? Wow!

He is so spoiled probably thinks he could get away with this by denying any wrongdoing.
Is this case going to be heard in court someday?

 

[LadyFinn]

It September 2023 two police detectives talked with Marius about drug use and his friends' shady activities. Se og Hør published a recording that documents that Marius' friends were investigated for dealing large quantities of drugs.
In January, just over three months later, a convicted friend of Marius moved to Dubai. The emirate has no extradition agreement with Norway, and has been revealed as a popular hangout for people from the West who are in the police's spotlight.
The man was in 2018 sentenced to two years in prison for defrauding several banks of millions, in a case complex in which his own father and a drug trafficker convicted many times were convicted. Dagbladet has revealed the man's connections to several people convicted of serious crime. The man, together with a 46-year-old with a gang past, has been involved in selling used luxury watches. But the accounts of the companies state a turnover of NOK 0.
Lawyer Øyvind Bratlien has not answered Dagbladet's questions and the police have no comments.

Marius-kompis forlot landet

Kort tid etter at politiet advarte Marius Borg Høiby om vennene hans, flyttet en straffedømt venn av ham til Dubai.

www.dagbladet.no

 

[Ghost]

What a nightmare!

 

[Lady Daly]

It September 2023 two police detectives talked with Marius about drug use and his friends' shady activities. Se og Hør published a recording that documents that Marius' friends were investigated for dealing large quantities of drugs.
In January, just over three months later, a convicted friend of Marius moved to Dubai. The emirate has no extradition agreement with Norway, and has been revealed as a popular hangout for people from the West who are in the police's spotlight.
The man was in 2018 sentenced to two years in prison for defrauding several banks of millions, in a case complex in which his own father and a drug trafficker convicted many times were convicted. Dagbladet has revealed the man's connections to several people convicted of serious crime. The man, together with a 46-year-old with a gang past, has been involved in selling used luxury watches. But the accounts of the companies state a turnover of NOK 0.
Lawyer Øyvind Bratlien has not answered Dagbladet's questions and the police have no comments.

Marius-kompis forlot landet

Kort tid etter at politiet advarte Marius Borg Høiby om vennene hans, flyttet en straffedømt venn av ham til Dubai.

www.dagbladet.no

These are bonafide criminals. Yikes! A court date for Maurius can't come soon enough.

 

[Marengo]

He really has dragged himself and by extension the NRF into the depths of the gutter, hasn't he? How on earth it is possible to sink this low when so many opportunities have been given is beyond comprehension.