Marius Borg Høiby News & Current Events Part 1: December 2023 -

[PhillyMonarchist]

Is no one talking about this or are comments being restricted or removed?

No one talking about it

 

[blooms_rulers]

No one talking about it

How can you know that for sure? Unless you’re monitoring their SM 24/7.

By the way, a quick perusal of a few posts show that there are existing comments that criticize how this is being handled by the NRF.

 

[Lady Daly]

How can you know that for sure? Unless you’re monitoring their SM 24/7.

By the way, a quick perusal of a few posts show that there are existing comments that criticize how this is being handled by the NRF.

I reviewed this post on IG and almost all the other comments were very supportive of the Crown Prince & Princess.

The point is the NRF isn't officially commenting.

Det Norske Kongehuset on Instagram: "Ved Lysakerelven i Oslo ligger Fåbro hage🧑‍🌾🍎 Her dyrker anleggsgartnere fra U.reist spiselige vekster, og trekker nabolaget inn i driften. Sammen med Fåbro hages egen bybonde Anna Andersen og elever fra 5. trinn

7,711 likes, 49 comments - detnorskekongehus on September 26, 2024: "Ved Lysakerelven i Oslo ligger Fåbro hage🧑‍🌾🍎 Her dyrker anleggsgartnere fra U.reist spiselige vekster, og trekker nabolaget inn i driften. Sammen med Fåbro hages egen bybonde Anna Andersen og elever fra 5. trinn ved Lilleaker...

www.instagram.com

 

[blooms_rulers]

I reviewed this post on IG and almost all the other comments were very supportive of the Crown Prince & Princess.

PhillyMonarchist is stating that no one is talking about this. That’s inaccurate. Whether the posts are supportive or not supportive, comments are being made about the situation itself and/or how it’s being handled by the NRF.

 

[LadyFinn]

Dagbladet writes about the case:
Dagbladet is informed that after a party it was discovered that valuable silverware had been taken from the CP couple's residence. An attempt was made to sell it via an auction house, but was stopped. Dagbladet asked the Oslo police if the theft was reported, but hasn't received an answer.
The police investigation into Marius is ongoing at full strength. Dagbladet has tried to get in touch with his defender, Øyvind Bratlien, without success.
Experts on organized crime and security have previously said that Marius' circle of friends poses a security risk. At the recordings with the police Marius said:
- My friends have stood up for me and never involved me in any nonsense. They have their jobs and I do mine. We are good friends and they have been there for me when I've needed it, without there being anything dangerous that I couldn't have told you in a way. My circle of friends has been the same for the past ten years, and that's just the way it is. My parents know it, and so do my friends, and I can't do anything about that.

Oppdaget tyveri etter fest

Verdifullt sølvtøy ble stjålet fra kronprinsparet på Skaugum, får Dagbladet opplyst.

www.dagbladet.no

 

[Muhler]

It's so tribal

It's not tribal Muhler. It's a political/economic system closing ranks with each other to maintain the status quo.

We've seen the same issues being played in many other monarchies in Europe, without the tribal component you think of as a Scandinavian.

Hmm, I'm not quite sure we talk about the same thing.
Yes, there are plenty of examples of the establishment/leading elite of the society or whatever you want to call it, covering up, also for royals.
I'm talking about the people agreeing to close their eyes to something in this case. And that's a pretty common thing in small countries with a small fairly homogeneous population. We tend to think and as such also act alike or in agreement and view things alike. That very much reminds of the mentality of a village or tribe.

He’s an addict. Neither his parents, nor the parents of the many millions of addicts in the world, stuffed substances up his nose, nor into his veins, or his lungs, or down his throat. He - and all the millions of other addicts- did it to himself.

Addicts can be very cunning, and it might be weeks or months or years before their families become aware. And surely most families take steps to address the problem, counseling, rehabilitation, hospitalization….What most families don’t do is call in the cops, or the newspapers, or the general world, to announce their son’s or daughter’s illness.

Many families do every thing they can to ‘cure’ their loved one, and to protect them, and to bring them to a state of healing so that the restored addict can go on with his/her life. They don’t need to be shamed and excoriated in the public square; they need to be protected, and ‘saved’. Until or unless events intercede, and then the whole thing explodes upon the public.

I can’t blame Marius’ (four) parents for doing what practically every other parent in the world would have done. Now he must face the consequences, but this sad story is far too common to be a huge morality play featuring the NRF. It’s a family tragedy, and surely there were outsiders who were only hoping to protecting all involved. It’s not an indictment of the NRF, or of the very human failings of their members.

It’s a sad story in which too many families find themselves involved.

I don't think anyone can disagree with what you say.
The problem is of course that the NRF is not a normal family. In contrast to the vast majority of other Norwegian families the NRF live their entire lives as public as possible and being the leading family of the country, that comes with both responsibility and scrutiny.
The major problem is that while most other Norwegian families can be pretty powerless in knowing how to deal with an addict within the family, the NRF, or at least the CP couple (we don't know yet to what extent if any King Harald was involved) were both warned and informed. And also had the resources at their disposal to act, up to and including the point of committing Marius by force - or at least keep him under some sort of house arrest at Skaugum and restrict his movements as much as possible while providing him with the best help Norway can offer.
Yet, Marius was allowed to exhibit worse and worse behavior and act more and more aggressive towards his surroundings, including smashing up his home, probably more than once.
They also had the option of keeping Marius away from his criminal friends as much as it was possible, by simply giving him a police escort each time he left Skaugum, with free hands to intervene. That alone should make Marius undesirable to his criminal friends.

In other words: The CP couple had options at their disposal that other Norwegian families in a similar situation can only dream of.

And Marius had victims. Four victims. - The three girlfriends his abused, probably several times each. And the man who was threatened on his life.

So there comes a point, also for normal families, where you have to intervene drastically, if you can. Or let your family-member sail on his own sea. Yet, the CP Couple did no such thing. So when would they have done something drastic? When he had killed or hospitalized a girlfriend? When he had run someone over? Killed himself?
I mean if we take this to the extreme Marius could very well at some point, because nothing was done and he was (well still is perhaps) getting worse, have beaten up his mother or Haakon, or hurt Magnus or Ingrid or for that matter have pushed King Harald over and given his age and frailty that could be pretty serious!
In normal Norwegian families if you hurt your grandfather you have a serious problem on your hands! If Marius had hurt his bonus-grandfather, Norway would have a serious problem!

The irony is that while it is indeed very shameful to have a Marius in your family and not knowing what do do and preferring to hide that to the public. The NRF in contrast would have been showered in sympathy by going public with their problems and being a role-model in how to deal with such an issue and as such being even more relatable had they gone public earlier.

I think what irks people, and indeed also disappoint people, it certainly irks me, is that the CO Couple not only did next to nothing, but allowed Marius to run more and more wild and it appears, did their best to cover it up - beyond the extent where Marius had become a real threat to other people.

It boils down to this: Your rights and your behavior don't trump my rights to feel safe.

 

[Muhler]

Dagbladet writes about the case:
(...)
- My friends have stood up for me and never involved me in any nonsense. They have their jobs and I do mine. We are good friends and they have been there for me when I've needed it, without there being anything dangerous that I couldn't have told you in a way. My circle of friends has been the same for the past ten years, and that's just the way it is. My parents know it, and so do my friends, and I can't do anything about that.

Oppdaget tyveri etter fest

Verdifullt sølvtøy ble stjålet fra kronprinsparet på Skaugum, får Dagbladet opplyst.

www.dagbladet.no

That's a load of bulldust!!

Your have a moral obligation to the society you are a part of.

Marius friends are not people who do a little insurance fraud, or is moonlighting or do a little shoplifting. These are hardcore criminals who has done time for serious crimes, not just once. And there are victims of their crimes!

So Marius is basically not only thumbing his nose at the Norwegian society, the laws, the system and the police, he is also thumbing his nose at the victims and he is openly saying that he doesn't give a hoot about them.

Marius, like everybody else has a choice:
If your friends are hardcore criminals you can either dumb them or stick to them.
If you choose to stick with them, don't say that what they do has nothing to do with you. It has. Because you accept and condone their behavior by remaining friends with them. And you put your own social needs above the victims of the crimes your friends commit.

 

[kalnel]

That's a load of bulldust!!

Your have a moral obligation to the society you are a part of.

Marius friends are not people who do a little insurance fraud, or is moonlighting or do a little shoplifting. These are hardcore criminals who has done time for serious crimes, not just once. And there are victims of their crimes!

So Marius is basically not only thumbing his nose at the Norwegian society, the laws, the system and the police, he is also thumbing his nose at the victims and he is openly saying that he doesn't give a hoot about them.

Marius, like everybody else has a choice:
If your friends are hardcore criminals you can either dumb them or stick to them.
If you choose to stick with them, don't say that what they do has nothing to do with you. It has. Because you accept and condone their behavior by remaining friends with them. And you put your own social needs above the victims of the crimes your friends commit.

I was pretty horrified as his description of his criminal friends as doing "their jobs." Is "criminal" a job in Norway?