Jean, Comte de Paris, Head of the Royal House of France, Wife & Family 1, Feb 2019 -


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:previous: Does Princess Antoinette and Princess Louise-Marguerite's matching dresses indicate they attend a school which has students wear uniforms?
 
It is difficult to understand what exactly the problem is. I believe the Fondation St Louis denies an intention to have the princely family removed but wants Jean d'Orléans to sign a lease and demand from him a monthly rent.

The Fondation seems to claim that the right of use of the Philidor house was granted exceptionally to Maria Theresia von Württemberg formerly d'Orléans when she found herself abandoned by her husband. The lawyer of the Fondation relies on an injunction from the late Henri d'Orléans to his son, Prince Jean, "to remove his furniture from Maison Philidor and leave Dreux".

Prince Jean however points to the Will of his grandfather, the Founder-President of the Fondation St Louis, to ensure the presence of the Orléans family in Dreux by right of usufruct of the properties.

It is good that the Tribunal ordered mediation but it is sad it has come this far.
 
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In comparison:

The King of the Belgians is not paying rents for the Royal Domain of Laeken as the gift (of Léopold II) had the condition of usufruct by the royal family.

The King of the Netherlands is not paying rents for the Crown Domains as the gift (of Wilhelmina) had the condition of usufruct by the royal family.

So Jean d'Orléans equally can claim he is not bound to pay rents to the Fondation St Louis for the use of the Royal Domain of Dreux. The gift (of his grandfather Henri d'Orléans) had the condition of usufruct by the famille d'Orléans.

We will see how it unfolds.
 
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Not the same, they are reigning Kings.... Jean d'Orléans is only in regard of the law an ordinary citizen.
 
If he has paid his rent as a normal Citizen , Nothing has happen ! A stupid Affair
 
Very nice. And the kids are always pictured on the land, in the forest, with animals, etc. They seem to love countryside life and wear foresters' trousers, so to see.
 
It is nice to see that the French Royal Family continues to use the title of Duke of Angouleme.
One Royal who had the title was Louis Antoine, the son of King Charles X of France. He was referred to as King Louis XIX.
 
But the late Prince Henri Junior should never never have given to his nephew the title of Duc d' Anjou.
 
Here's a gallery of the the memorial mass for King Louis XVI and for Prince Henri of Orleans, Count of Paris, at the Church of Saint-Germain l Auxerrois in Paris on Friday:


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It seems that the supporters of Don Luis Alfonso de Borbón were at the Place de la Concorde (where King Louis XVI was beheaded) but their demonstration was forbidden by the Prefecture because of COVID-measures. This group was led by Prince Charles Emmanuel de Bourbon de Parme and his daughter Princess Elisabeth. The Prince is Honorary President of the Association Louis XVI and supports the claim of Don Luis Alfonso.

When this group (60-70 persons) was barred, part of it decided to go to the Church of Saint-Germain l'Auxerrois, situated close to the former royal palace at the Louvre. Prince Charles Emmanuel sought his far cousin Prince Jean d'Orléans whom welcomed him. In the end around 400 royalists were assembled together in the old parish church of the Kings of France, again crumbling a bit of the sectarism which plagued the Bourbon cause for so long.
 
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maria-olivia said:
But the late Prince Henri Junior should never never have given to his nephew the title of Duc d' Anjou.
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Why? Because of Luis Alfonso de Borbón?

None of those titles are recognized by the French Republic anyway. Only titles that were bestowed in the past by a reigning French monarch can be used with the legal French name and are protected and transmitted according to their original Letters Patent.
 
Mbruno said:
Why? Because of Luis Alfonso de Borbón?

None of those titles are recognized by the French Republic anyway. Only titles that were bestowed in the past by a reigning French monarch can be used with the legal French name and are protected and transmitted according to their original Letters Patent.
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There was a sort of "mutual understanding" between the two branches that Anjou was reserved for the Spanish Branch, as they all are descendants of Philippe, Duc d'Anjou whom became the first Bourbon King of Spain.

The Orléanist creation of an "own" Duc d'Anjou was an unnecessary sectarist provocation. It is the same as that impossible idiot of a Henri d'Orléans creating his 8th child Duc d'Orléans.

So now we have an actual House of Orléans in which the premier title is bestowed on the fourth junior son of the current Chef's grandfather....

:ohmy: Leave it to the Bourbons to mess it all up. What would the reaction have been of Luis Alfonso created his son Duc d'Orléans?

My advice would be: no more fantasies like Duc de Bourgondie, Duc de Vendôme, Duc de Guise, Duc de Touraine, and all these fantasies, only the Chefs

Duc d'Anjou (Borbón-Anjou)
Rey de España (Borbón-España)
Duca di Parma (Borbone-Parma)
Duc d'Orléans (Bourbon-Orléans)
Etc.
 
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Mbruno said:
None of those titles are recognized by the French Republic anyway.
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But, according to press reports about and interviews with Louis Alphonse (one of which I posted earlier in his own thread), "Duke of Anjou" appears on his French Republic-issued passport.
 
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iceflower said:
Here's a gallery of the the memorial mass for King Louis XVI and for Prince Henri of Orleans, Count of Paris, at the Church of Saint-Germain l Auxerrois in Paris on Friday:


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Saint-Germain l'Auxerrois has royal connections and is situated across from the Louvre.
Louis XVI and his family attended Mass here when they were forced to reside at the nearby Palais des Tuileries.
The annual Mass also for the assassinated Charles-Ferdinand d'Artois , Duke of Berry was held here up until 1831.
 
Tatiana Maria said:
But, according to press reports about and interviews with Louis Alphonse (one of which I posted earlier in his own thread), "Duke of Anjou" appears on his French Republic-issued passport.
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How so if the French courts said that "the legal existence of the title could not be proven" when they rejected the lawsuit by the Count of Clermont against Luis Alfonso's late father?
 
A few years ago Prince Charles Emmanuel de Bourbon de Parme requested to have the form of address Son Altesse Royale.

His lawyer, Maître Rosny Minvielle de Guilhem de Lataillade, explained: "The Republic abolished the monarchy, but not the nobility. It is normal for my client to be designated by the qualification of a Royal Highness. President M Nicolas Sarkozy, in his written response to the letter from the Prince de Bourbon de Parme, who asked for the exhibition (a much provoking exhibition by Jeff Koons) to be closed, named him 'Monseigneur'.

Baron Hervé de Pinoteau, historian and, among others, member of the International Academy of Heraldry, was for twenty-six years the private secretary of the late Don Alfonso de Borbón (father of Don Luis Alfonso de Borbón): "In 1986, the prefect of Hérault [M Yves-Jean Bentegeac], received a letter from the Palais de l'Elysée which ordered him to award all titles of nobility, including the qualification of a Royal Highness to Prince Alphonse".

This qualification on identity papers has no legal existence. "HRH is not a strictly legal statement. It is a qualification, not a title,” he explains. Unlike titles of nobility (Duke, Baron, Count...), which have retained a legal basis. Which means that 'HRH' accompanies the title of nobility - one is a Royal Highness and Duke of Anjou at the same time.

“It is an administrative friendliness, a deference towards the three dynasties, the three families which once reigned over France, even if legally, it is not founded. Let us not forget that France is, above all, a country of customary law.

Only princes of blood the blood of the Houses Bourbon, Orléans, and Napoléon, can obtain it, and from birth."

Baron de Pinoteau: "It is, in a way, the recognition of royal dignity. This distinction depends on the goodwill of the prefect or the competent minister. It is, neither more nor less, a kindness of the Republic."

“President M Valéry Giscard d’Estaing, who wanted to play both the man of the people as well the grand seigneur, made the titles of nobility disappear from the protocol of the Republic”, remembers Baron Hervé de Pinoteau. With the exception of the Duke of Orléans (Count of Paris) and the Duke of Anjou, who continued to be designated by their title within the walls of the Palais de l'Éysée. 'I think governments say to themselves: these princes are not dangerous people, so why make fun of them?'

Certainly, but then, why add it to identity papers, if it is simply a matter of protocol? In the Bourbon-Parme case against expo Koons, the prince's lawyer attached a copy of the passport (with HRH) to the investigation file, as did M Nicolas Sarkozy's letter. Two documents supposed to give credibility to his client's request.

Around 90 royal blooded people are said to have the qualification of HRH on their identity papers today. They do not all reside in France, dynastic confusion oblige.


Source: https://www.nouvelobs.com/rue89/rue...rivileges-pour-princes-de-sang.html#modal-msg
 
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The portrait of the Countess of Paris by Florence Remy is currently exhibited at the Salon des Artistes Français in Paris where it received the silver medal from the jury.

The Princess in the portrait is pregnant with Princess Jacinthe.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CaICQruMMRy/
 
Fun photo shoot! Looks like a loving family,
 
Justice has decided: the Count of Paris is condemned to leave the Philidor house.

The Duchess of Montpensier, the Countess of Paris and Princess Marie attends to the court of Dreux, on 15 March to hear the verdict:

"It is a setback for the Count of Paris and his wife, who had gone to the Dreux court with her mother-in-law, the Duchess of Montpensier, on 15 March . Justice condemns the head of the house of France to leave the Philidor house.

The court has decided. In the dispute which has been opposing, for several months, the Saint-Louis Foundation to Jean and Philomena d'Orléans, the protection litigation judge of the Dreux local court, Aurore Docquincourt, after having noted that "Mr Jean d' Orléans is the occupant without right or title of the Philidor house located on the domain of the royal chapel of Dreux", ordered "its expulsion and that of all occupants of its head […] by all legal ways and means and if necessary with the assistance of the public force". It orders him to pay a sum of 5,000 euros to the Saint-Louis Foundation, in respect of damages, and to "pay a monthly occupancy allowance of 1,300 euros plus charges, and this from the present judgment and until the effective release of the premises characterized by the handing over of the keys"."

https://www.pointdevue.fr/royal/france/cinglante-defaite-judiciaire-pour-la-famille-de-france
 
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What a humiliating spectacle.
 
This story is not over, they intend to appeal against the judge decision.
 
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