General News about the Sussex Family, Part Two: April-August 2020

[Pranter]

It will be interesting to see what charities they get involved with after the C.V. quarantines etc are lifted. I'm looking forward to seeing that work...and of course I am hoping a pic of Archie when he turns one!



LaRae

 

[Alisa]

But the call was private. The couple did not violate BP's request by releasing details of the call. All they said was that the family had a zoom call with the Queen.

For now the couple does not have a social media platform (they need one) to release things pertaining to the royal family such as birthday wishes so they must use a spokesperson.

I guarantee you if nothing was known you would see the vitriolic Daily Mail writing how Harry and Meghan didn't have the decency to send the Queen a card or call to say Happy Birthday.

BP said last week that any calls from family for the Queen’s birthday would be kept private, so I do find it a bit odd that Meghan and Harry announced that they called her. Don't think it was at all necessary.

The couple doesn't want obscurity, nor do they want only positive and glowing reviews. They just want to be treated fairly by the press and not to be castigated by the media with fictious articles and downright lies.

Apparently that is too much to ask for....

Great post but I seriously doubt that obscurity is what they actually want..

They have done nothing to prove that they want to get less attention. [...]

Their biggest failure is in not realizing that "all publicity is not good publicity" for the rarefied strata that they wish to occupy. As a C-list actress, all publicity was good publicity because it got Meghan noticed and acting roles but she is now A-list and the same publicity rules do not apply.

 

[poppy7]

With regard to the recent Sussex announcement on tabloids this article in The Guardian attempts to take a reasoned look at the decision.

For clarity:

The Guardian is a left wing/liberal publication (republican leaning).
The author would self identify as a progressive most likely with much the same world view as the duchess.
The Guardian does not like (despises really) tabloid newspapers.

Always helpful to understand context.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/23/harry-meghan-tabloids-sussexes-newspapers

I liked that article. Balanced and quite clear sighted.

 

[Durham]

The Guardian may despise the tabloids but they allow their commentators a lot of leeway when it comes to the other things they despise: loud celebs claiming to have a right to be better than others. This comment is against both, with the author putting Harry & Meghan firmly in the celeb place.

And when it comes to attacks against the media, once they are from the outside, I feel they all feel threatened.



I'm a journalist from Germany who learned her job 35 years back and back then, we as "real journos" were shocked about how the German tabloids (Bild, Express, Super-Illu and the like) treated people and have been thinking that this is simply not done. But nowadays it is done and not many journalists think it is not okay, while the readers have no idea at all that what they read is not "news" but bias.

So yes, maybe I am old-fashioned but my bad feelings about the tabloids don't goi away, even when I think that Harry & Meghan had let their hand being forced by leaks from inside the palace. It doesn't make right what happened and it doesn't give a good idea about what will happen in the future. Harry & Meghan lived in Harry's hometown and were not happy, now they are in her birthtown and we'll have to see what will come out of it.But I honour their fight and hope that on fighting the tabloids they can win a more dignified life for themselves!

Different perspectives are always good. I mustn't go off topic but my own views on the tabloids would be fairly unprintable. I would agree that the press needs to be able to scrutinise public figures but in a fair & dignified way.

You do make a very good point about the temptation for the press to close ranks.

 

[poppy7]

Different perspectives are always good. I mustn't go off topic but my own views on the tabloids would be fairly unprintable. I would agree that the press needs to be able to scrutinise public figures but in a fair & dignified way.

You do make a very good point about the temptation for the press to close ranks.

It is inevitable that will close ranks. They all know each other and have more in common with one another than the Sussexes.

 

[Kataryn]

It is inevitable that will close ranks. They all know each other and have more in common with one another than the Sussexes.

That is what makes me very sad! All my life I have tried to be a decent Journalist and not lower myself to write about gossip or invent any lies and now here people think that way and IMHO they are mostly right.

I was once so proud of my job but now I am glad I am retired.

 

[poppy7]

That is what makes me very sad! All my life I have tried to be a decent Journalist and not lower myself to write about gossip or invent any lies and now here people think that way and IMHO they are mostly right.

I was once so proud of my job but now I am glad I am retired.

No one said they did write gossip and lies. The Guardian certainly don't when they wrote about the Sussexes. It is just they are going to defend a person doing the same job as them at times they think are warranted.

 

[Sandy345]

I like the couple and never had any negativity. I am rooting for them. If they are truly attention seekers they would IMO have never left the UK and being senior royals.

 

[TLLK]

I liked that article. Balanced and quite clear sighted.

I agree. It's an excellent piece.

 

[Denville]

It is inevitable that will close ranks. They all know each other and have more in common with one another than the Sussexes.

It does not seem overly favourable to the Sussexes..

 

[Osipi]

We really don't have much of any tangible evidence of just what the Sussexes plans are, their aims and goals and what they hope to accomplish going forward into the future. We do have sightings and blips and pieces of insight into their recent activities such as moving to LA, volunteering and such. They've hardly been "in our faces" via social media. Most we know of has been gleaned from a "middleman" painting a picture showing what light they want to show them in. The pictures have painted 1000 words and most of those words, negative ones.

Much has been focused on their finances or rather, the lack of them at this time because of a lock down due to the coronavirus. Much has been focused on that if they live in LA, they most surely must be gearing towards the celebrity glitz and glitter fame of Hollywood and self promotion. Much has been focused on how they've dissed Harry's family and gave them ye olde Bronx cheer (LA style of course). Much has been focused on what "seems to be" and very little backup from actual credible sources are to be found.

In actuality, very little credible "general news" has come our way and probably won't for a while yet. What we do know is that they plan on opening the Archwell Global Foundation sometime in the near future. We know they are still in close contact with family back in the UK. We know that they've not totally abandoned their interests, charities and organizations in the UK. We know that Meghan's court case against the MoS is up before the judge tomorrow. These are the facts we have at this time.

Personally, I see absolutely no reason to look at this couple negatively. Their private life and all that entails is none of my business. They're not doing much of anything really right now just like the rest of us staying in place because of a pandemic. The fact that they actually did get "spotted" doing something to help during this pandemic (volunteering, BBC/Sussex donation to Feed Britain), to me, is doing more than a lot of us are able to do at this time. They're trying to do what they can where they can.

In short, we really don't have the complete picture of the Sussex family, their hopes and aspirations and goals. its an incomplete jigsaw puzzle right now with too many pieces missing to show the full picture. I'll wait till the puzzle is completed before passing any kind of a judgment on these people.

 

[Betsypaige]

I liked that article. Balanced and quite clear sighted.

Agreed...well-written and well-argued.

 

[Erin9]

General News about the Sussex Family, Part Two: April 2020-

I liked that article. Balanced and quite clear sighted.

Agreed. It was fair and balanced imo. Very well written.

 

[EllieCat]

That article was good. Especially the end bit:

The privacy they desire would be more achievable if they undertook a period of extended silence.

 

[Curryong]

The article is not balanced or fair IMO but then I didn't expect it to be. Journalists will stick up for their own profession and for fellow journalists.

 

[Eskimo]

It is inevitable that will close ranks. They all know each other and have more in common with one another than the Sussexes.

That is the part a lot of people fail to understand. The entire media are going to come out against the Sussexes on this-because this is an attack on all of them. What is going to stop them from issuing such a statement against the BBC and others in the future?

 

[poppy7]

That is the part a lot of people fail to understand. The entire media are going to come out against the Sussexes on this-because this is an attack on all of them. What is going to stop them from issuing such a statement against the BBC and others in the future?

The Guardian in fairness are not part of the royal rota and they themselves have relatively low levels of royal coverage. I see nothing wrong with this article. She spoke the facts and I know she moved quickly through the January stuff but that is old news.

The article is not balanced or fair IMO but then I didn't expect it to be. Journalists will stick up for their own profession and for fellow journalists.

She spoke the facts and the Guardian have been relatively objective and removed with their Harry and Meghan coverage.

In fairness, everything has turned I to bad timing for them. (......) But they wanted to leave. So leave and do your thing.

 

[rominet09]

I have noticed that their Instagram account has lost 100 k followers.

 

[Betsypaige]

[...]

I don't think it has anything to do with bad timing. H and M's choices were their own. They chose to dump Canada without a fair thee well and head off to La La Land before lockdown. It's not like one day everything was normal and the next, boom, everyone's quarantined; this was building for a long time. (.....)

 

[Ista]

A reminder that any discussion comparing the Sussexes to the Cambridges is off topic, and posts containing those references have been edited. In the future, posts comparing the two families will be deleted without notice.

 

[QueenMathilde]

With regard to the recent Sussex announcement on tabloids this article in The Guardian attempts to take a reasoned look at the decision.

For clarity:

The Guardian is a left wing/liberal publication (republican leaning).
The author would self identify as a progressive most likely with much the same world view as the duchess.
The Guardian does not like (despises really) tabloid newspapers.

Always helpful to understand context.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/23/harry-meghan-tabloids-sussexes-newspapers

I thought this was a good article. I remember when The Guardian had a royalty tab on their site with a link to the Royal Archives, a now defunct site discussing the royals.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Harry and Meghan risk losing more respect each time they voice a complaint.
They would be better to live well, do good and say naught.
They arrogantly assume people want to know, in advance, any of their plans.
If they behaved as if they were private citizens then they would stay quiet and be grateful if any media ever report any of the positive things they might end up doing..

I like them but in the World today no person is large. Significant people are those family and friends whom we miss.

I see good things in Harry and Meghan but realistically their family values them most; they don't need to appeal to the masses. Instagram followers have a load on their minds.

 

[Denville]

She spoke the facts and the Guardian have been relatively objective and removed with their Harry and Meghan coverage.

In fairness, everything has turned I to bad timing for them. (......) But they wanted to leave. So leave and do your thing.

The Guardian usually take a "superior" attitude to coverage fo the RF, and don't do it very much themselves. THey leave that to the more popular papers...
However they are usualy leftist and not in favour of a RF.. so they're not likely to support H and Meg because they are royal.

 

[poppy7]

The Guardian usually take a "superior" attitude to coverage fo the RF, and don't do it very much themselves. THey leave that to the more popular papers...
However they are usualy leftist and not in favour of a RF.. so they're not likely to support H and Meg because they are royal.

I am aware.

But I think that is not fair on them. They have questioned the treatment of H and M at times when it was warranted.

Not that I consider the Guardian a bastion of enlightenment and their political coverage can be irritating at times but they have a non invested attitude to the royal family and as a result they often write the most clear sighted articles.

 

[Kataryn]

I am aware.

But I think that is not fair on them. They have questioned the treatment of H and M at times when it was warranted.

Not that I consider the Guardian a bastion of enlightenment and their political coverage can be irritating at times but they have a non invested attitude to the royal family and as a result they often write the most clear sighted articles.

We should see the difference between Guardian articles and Guardian opinion, written by a single journo. While I laude the way the Guardian articles are trying to be fair and neutral, even those on the Royal family, which is not a POV shared by all of their readers, this is an opinion piece and has it's own stance when it comes to the fight Sussexes vs. "media" (as they made clear they are only against tabloids).

 

[Curryong]

Harry and Meghan have sent a message of sympathy to the family of a desperately ill girl who died during the lockdown. Harry had met her before. Her family say the message of support 'means the world to them.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...thy-message-family-girl-18-died-lockdown.html

 

[Jacknch]

As per the directions given at the beginning of this thread, the media, journalists, journalism, paparazzi, photographers, reporters etc are off-topic.

However, the Moderation team has recently allowed some limited discussion about the Media as far as it related to the recent letter that the Sussex's sent to some sections of the Media.

Since that discussion seems to have moved on to talking about a specific newspaper, it has gone beyond the topic of the thread and some posts have therefore been removed or edited. Let's move the discussion on now please under the guidance of the directions previous mentioned. Thank you

 

[King of the Jungle]

It was nice of Harry and Meghan to send a message of sympathy.
And nice that it helped.

 

[Jacknch]

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[Lumutqueen]

We can expect a new picture of Archie on May 6th, their spokespeople kindly tell us.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1254321169207083009