Duke Carlos Javier and the Royal House of Bourbon-Parma 1: August 2010- 2022

[Netty]

The newest edition of the Danish Nobility Book, just published, has all daughters of Lensgreve Knud and his wife née Princess Marie Gabrielle of Luxembourg as "komtesse" by birth. No changes, so Wikipedia (as often) is wrong. It is Silvia, the fourth daughter, who took over the estate of Ledreborg.

 

[JR76]

Yes, you are actually right. However, on Wikipedia she is still referred to as the 8th Countess of Holstein-Ledreborg. But Lydia is called "Hereditary Countess of Holstein-Ledreborg".

The newest edition of the Danish Nobility Book, just published, has all daughters of Lensgreve Knud and his wife née Princess Marie Gabrielle of Luxembourg as "komtesse" by birth. No changes, so Wikipedia (as often) is wrong. It is Silvia, the fourth daughter, who took over the estate of Ledreborg.

Thanks Netty.
Unfortunately Wikipedia can be a fake friend when it comes to fact finding.

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

Interesting that the Danish Nobility allows the most senior female agnate to take over the title when there are no male agnates left. That means a Danish noble family seldom will become extinct? Or is this inheritance rule specifically for the Holstein-Ledreborg family only?

 

[JR76]

Interesting that the Danish Nobility allows the most senior female agnate to take over the title when there are no male agnates left. That means a Danish noble family seldom will become extinct? Or is this inheritance rule specifically for the Holstein-Ledreborg family only?

The Danish Nobility does not allow the most senior female agnate to take over the title when there are no male agnates left.
Even if that was the case there are still male agnates left in the Holstein-Ledreborg family who would carry the nonexistent title spoken about in previous posts.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

There is a difference between the House of Bourbon-Parma and the House of Bourbon de Parme: the House of Bourbon-Parma is the former Royal House of Parma and Piacenza.

Bourbon-Parma is the Anglicized variant of Bourbon de Parme, itself the French translation of Borbone di Parma. (I would personally favor Bourbon of Parma as a translation.)

Prince Carlos Duke of Parma and Piacenza had had an agreement with Birgitte Klynstra that their son would bear his mother's surname without titles, and the mother promised that it would be so. However, the pacts were not respected and that is why the Duke of Parma has initiated legal proceedings against his son. Because the pacts have not been respected.

Are you sure Prince Carlos de Bourbon de Parme initiated legal proceedings against his son? As Hugo's application for his paternal name and title was approved through the courts and in accordance with the law I have difficulty seeing what grounds the father would have to sue his son.

 

[Somebody]

Are you sure Prince Carlos de Bourbon de Parme initiated legal proceedings against his son? As Hugo's application for his paternal name and title was approved through the courts and in accordance with the law I have difficulty seeing what grounds the father would have to sue his son.

I'd say the fact that Carlos fought this decision in various courts wasn't because his son initiated legal proceedings.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

I'd say the fact that Carlos fought this decision in various courts wasn't because his son initiated legal proceedings.

Could you explain? I was under the impression that the son initiated the legal proceedings by applying to change his name, and the father's fights were in reaction to it.

 

[Somebody]

Could you explain? I was under the impression that the son initiated the legal proceedings by applying to change his name, and the father's fights were in reaction to it.

While the first 'application' to change his name was done by his son (and granted by the Minister), it was prince Carlos who initiated all subsequent fights in court. None of them would have happened had prince Carlos not opposed his son's rights under the Dutch nobility law.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Then that is probably what MarieAmelie_95 referred to, thank you for the explanation.

 

[MarieAmelie_95]

Answer

Then that is probably what MarieAmelie_95 referred to, thank you for the explanation.

Yes, I was referring to this.

 

[JR76]

Prince Amaury of Bourbon-Parma escorted Pëlagie de MacMahon, a daughter of the Duke of Magenta to the religious wedding of Prince Joachim and Princess Yasmine of Ponte Corvo today. Have they been seen together before?

https://histoiresroyales.fr/mariage-prince-joachim-princesse-yasmine-murat-invalides/

 

[MarieAmelie_95]

Answer

Prince Amaury of Bourbon-Parma escorted Pëlagie de MacMahon, a daughter of the Duke of Magenta to the religious wedding of Prince Joachim and Princess Yasmine of Ponte Corvo today. Have they been seen together before?

https://histoiresroyales.fr/mariage-prince-joachim-princesse-yasmine-murat-invalides/

It is the first time I see Prince Amaury with the noble Pëlagie Jeanne Marie Marguerite Charlotte Nathalie de Mac Mahon de Magenta (born 1990), even I do not know if they are engaged.

 

[JR76]

It is the first time I see Prince Amaury with the noble Pëlagie Jeanne Marie Marguerite Charlotte Nathalie de Mac Mahon de Magenta (born 1990), even I do not know if they are engaged.

If they indeed are dating they're an attractive couple and if they'll end up getting married it would be a great match. The Magentas are quite a new family, but they've married very well.

 

[MarieAmelie_95]

Answer

If they indeed are dating they're an attractive couple and if they'll end up getting married it would be a great match. The Magentas are quite a new family, but they've married very well.

Yes, it's true! Then the family is noble, so even better. In the picture they seem very close to me and if I'm not mistaken they are hugging. It would be great news if they got married. Princess Charlotte, Amaury's younger sister, married in June 2022.

 

[Gawin]

If they indeed are dating they're an attractive couple and if they'll end up getting married it would be a great match. The Magentas are quite a new family, but they've married very well.

Amaury and Pelagie are third cousins once removed through the Orleans family.

Prince Robert d’Orleans Duke of Chartres & Princess Francoise d’Orleans -> Marie d’Orleans & Prince Waldemar of Denmark -> Princess Margaretha of Denmark & Prince Rene of Bourbon-Parma -> Prince Michel of Bourbon-Parma & Princess Yolande de Broglie-Revel -> Prince Charles-Emmanuel of Bourbon-Parma & Constance de Ravinel -> Prince Amaury of Bourbon-Parma

Prince Robert d’Orleans Duke of Chartres & Princess Francoise d’Orleans -> Marguerite d’Orleans & Patrice de MacMahon 2nd Duke of Magenta -> Maurice de MacMahon 3rd Duke of Magenta & Comtesse Marguerite Riquet de Caraman Chimay -> Philippe de MacMahon 4th Duke of Magenta & Hon. Amelia Drummond -> Pelagie de MacMahon

 

[MarieAmelie_95]

Princess Marie-Gabrielle of Bourbon-Parma (1982), second daughter of the late Prince Erik and Countess Lydia of Holstein-Ledreborg, has recently married Martin Kjeldsen. He appears to be the father of Marie-Gabrielle's son, Mark (born 1999). Unfortunately I couldn't find anything on the internet about their wedding. I will try again. On this site I found a news. I'll send it to you. Descendants of King Christian IX of Denmark

New pics of Prince Amaury at the wedding of Prince Joachim Murat of Pontecorvo. She appears in the photos next to the noble Pélagie de MacMahon de Magenta.
Here is the link:
https://histoiresroyales.fr/gala-de...presence-membres-familles-royales-etrangeres/

 

[JR76]

New pics of Prince Amaury at the wedding of Prince Joachim Murat of Pontecorvo. She appears in the photos next to the noble Pélagie de MacMahon de Magenta.

Here is the link:

https://histoiresroyales.fr/gala-de...presence-membres-familles-royales-etrangeres/

They're suit each other. Any info on how long they've been dating?

 

[MarieAmelie_95]

They're suit each other. Any info on how long they've been dating?

Unfortunately it is not known how long they have been dating. 2022 is the year of engagements and weddings for the House of Bourbon-Parma!
In June 2022, Amaury's sister, Princess Charlotte, was married.
In October 2022, Amaury's cousin, Princess Marie-Gabrielle, was married.
And now it would seem that Prince Amaury is engaged. I hope to see an official engagement announcement soon!

Prince Joseph and Princess Anne Louise of Bourbon-Parma welcomed their first daughter, Princess Lily, these days. The couple already have a son, Prince Arthur, born in 2021.

Lily is the granddaughter of Prince Philippe and Princess Annette of Bourbon-Parma.

Link: Descendants of King Christian IX of Denmark

 

[SirGyamfi1]

New pics of Prince Amaury at the wedding of Prince Joachim Murat of Pontecorvo. She appears in the photos next to the noble Pélagie de MacMahon de Magenta.
Here is the link:
https://histoiresroyales.fr/gala-de...presence-membres-familles-royales-etrangeres/

if they are actually a couple, then they are a good-looking couple. Amaury is a carbon copy of his father.

 

[JR76]

Unfortunately it is not known how long they have been dating. 2022 is the year of engagements and weddings for the House of Bourbon-Parma!

In June 2022, Amaury's sister, Princess Charlotte, was married.

In October 2022, Amaury's cousin, Princess Marie-Gabrielle, was married.

And now it would seem that Prince Amaury is engaged. I hope to see an official engagement announcement soon!

They were pictured together at the Noto wedding last year. Notice Amaury's hand around Pëlagie's waist.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1443000358507270146

 

[MarieAmelie_95]

Answer

Website with an article dealing with the (possible) engagement of His Royal Highness Prince Amaury of Bourbon-Parma and the noble Highness Pelagie de MacMahon de Magenta.
Link: https://eurohistoryjournal.blogspot.com/2022/10/a-bourbon-parmamacmahon-romance-in.html?m=1

 

[CyrilVladisla]

They were pictured together at the Noto wedding last year. Notice Amaury's hand around Pëlagie's waist.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1443000358507270146

I did an enlargement of Photo 3 with Armaury and Pelagie. What an excellent observation!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1443000358507270146

 

[MarieAmelie_95]

Wedding

I found photos of the weddings of the various children of the Duchess of Parma Maria Antonia. They are rare photos that I struggled to find!
https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/184718022206435282/: Wedding of Prince Felix to the Grand Duchess of Luxembourg: in the front row, seated, we find the mothers of the spouses: the Grand Duchess Maria Anna and the Duchess Maria Antonia (sisters), the newlyweds and Princess Henriette-Anne of Bourbon-Parma, Felix's sister. Standing (from left), we find: Prince Gaetan of Bourbon-Parma, Prince François-Xavier of Bourbon-Parma, Princess Hilda of Luxembourg, Princess Isabelle-Marie of Bourbon-Parma, Princess Elisabeth of Luxembourg, Prince Renée of Bourbon-Parma, Princess Maria-Antonia of Bourbon-Parma, Princess Sophie of Luxembourg, Prince Louis of Bourbon-Parma and Prince Sixte of Bourbon-Parma

ETA:
https://www.pinterest.fr/pin/223843043964249345/ family reunion of the House of Bourbon-Parma in the year 1932. In the photo I do not know who the children are, but in the front row we can find (from left): Princess Isabelle-Marie of Bourbon-Parma, Princess Beatrix of Bourbon-Parma (the Countess Lucchesi-Palli), Prince Sixte of Bourbon-Parma, the Duchess Mother (Maria Antonia, née Infanta of Portugal), Princess Zita of Bourbon-Parma (the Empress of Austria), Princess Henriette-Anne of Bourbon-Parma and Prince Felix of Bourbon-Parma (the Prince consort of Luxembourg).
In the second row from left: Princess Margarete of Bourbon-Parma (née Princess of Thurn und Taxis; wife of Prince Gaetan of Bourbon-Parma), Princess Hedwige of Bourbon-Parma (née Princess de la Rochefoucauld; wife of Prince Sixte of Bourbon-Parma), three women whose identity I do not know, Princess Adelgundes of Bourbon-Parma the Dowager Countess of Bardi (née Infanta of Portugal; sister of the Duchess of Parma; wife of the late Prince Henry of Bourbon-Parma, Count of Bardi), Prince François-Xavier of Bourbon-Parma, Prince Renée of Bourbon-Parma, Prince Gaetan of Bourbon-Parma.
Third row, from left: Prince Robert Hugo of Bourbon-Parma (son of Elias I), Princess Marie-Françoise of Bourbon-Parma (daughter of Elias I), Princess Margaret of Bourbon-Parma (née Princess of Denmark; wife of Prince Renée of Bourbon-Parma), Grand Duchess Charlotte of Luxembourg, Princess of Bourbon-Parma (née Princess of Luxembourg; wife of Prince Felix of Bourbon-Parma, the Prince Consort of Luxembourg) and Princess Marie-Thérèse of Bourbon-Parma.
Fourth row, from left: two men and a woman whose identity I do not know and Princess Louise-Marie of Bourbon-Parma.
Even higher up we find three men (I think one is Duke Elias I of Parma and Piacenza, son of Princess Maria Pia of Naples and Sicily, first wife of Duke Robert I).

 

[iceflower]

Amaury of Bourbon-Parma attended the opening of the exhibition "Sur les Routes de Samarcande, Merveilles de Soie et d'Or" at the Arab World Institute in Paris on November 22:


** Pic ** gettyimages gallery **

 

[eya]

Merry Christmas from Duke Carlos and his family!

https://carlosdeborbon.com/mensaje-de-navidad-de-don-carlos-javier-de-borbon-parma/

 

[Toledo]

Nice message, I'm now checking his other links that contain a lot of historical and records he is now helping release to the public:

(right click over the page and select Translate to your language of choice)

https://carlosdeborbon.com/don-carlos-saca-a-la-luz-el-archivo-de-la-familia/

The Duke of Madrid has been "very satisfied" with the agreement signed with the Radboud University, "because it will allow to know more in depth, and with scientific criteria, the values and principles that have moved the Family for generations, its role in Spain and on the international scene in the convulsive periods of the European revolutions, their participation in the counterrevolutionary movements that have arisen as a reaction to them throughout the continent and the relations of the Family with the Catholic Church". "And it also serves for the present and the future, because this archive is part of the history of the Family and this history also determines the identity of its members," said Don Carlos.

...Although most of the archive has yet to be classified, among what Don Carlos Javier has identified so far there are unpublished documents of great historical value. Thus, for example, regarding Carlism, correspondence of the generals of the Third Carlist War, letters of Vázquez de Mella and of French Carlists and legitimists to Don Jaime III, correspondence of Carlos VII, or of Don Alfonso Carlos referring to his participation in the Battalion of Zuavos Pontificios, manifestos and diverse Carlist newspapers, and correspondence and diaries of Doña María de las Nieves on the Third War.

 

[MAfan]

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