Duke Carlos Javier and the Royal House of Bourbon-Parma 1: August 2010- 2022


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I hope Princess Irene is well -- it does seem odd that Princess Beatrix was there and she wasn't.

Is Beatrix Carlos's godmother? She often seemed to include him on family vacation with her sons when they were children.
 
I hope Princess Irene is well -- it does seem odd that Princess Beatrix was there and she wasn't.

Is Beatrix Carlos's godmother? She often seemed to include him on family vacation with her sons when they were children.

No Princess Irene of the Netherlands is also her godmother and Prince Jaime, Count of Bardi is her godfather.
The absence of her grandmother is very strange.
 
The godparents of Prince Carlos Jr were the King of the Netherlands, the Duke of Bragança, Princess Marie-des-Neiges de Bourbon de Parme, Lodewijk Gualthérie van Weezel and Javier Lubelza Roca, Chancellor of the Royal Orders of the House of Bourbon-Parma.
 
I meant is Beatrix the godmother of her nephew Carlos the current Duke of Parma.
 
I meant is Beatrix the godmother of her nephew Carlos the current Duke of Parma.

No, in 1970 Prince Carlos sr. was baptized by Joseph-Charles Cardinal Lefèbvre, former Archbishop of Bourges, in the chapel of the Château de Lignières. The infant prince had two godparents: HM The Queen of the Netherlands (maternal grandmother) and HRH The Duke of Parma (paternal grandfather).
 
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Princess Beatrix was present as godmother of princess Cecilia. Most other godparents of the sisters were also present. Maybe princess Irene is in South Africa as she lives there part of the year.

Godparents of Luisa Irene Constance Anna Maria:
Princess Irene of the Netherlands (grandmother)
Prince Jaime de Bourbon de Parme (uncle)
Ank Gualtherie van Weezel (grandmother)
Constance van Weezel (aunt)
Princess Maria Theresia de Bourbon de Parme (greataunt)
Countess Franca Zanardi Landi di Veano (friend of parents)


Godparents of Cécilia*Maria Johanna Beatrix
Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands (greataunt)
Princess Cecilia de Bourbon de Parme (greataunt)
Johan Gualthérie van Weezel (grandfather)
Princess Margarita de Bourbon de Parme (aunt)
Véronique Kakebeeke-Gualthérie van Weezel (frist cousin once removed)
 
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Princess Beatrix was present as godmother of princess Cecilia. Most other godparents of the sisters were also present. Maybe princess Irene is in South Africa as she lives there part of the year.


But she is the grandmother. Most grandmother's would make it possible to attend such an Event in her granddaughters life.
 
But she is the grandmother. Most grandmother's would make it possible to attend such an Event in her granddaughters life.

Unless she was ill and couldn't attend the First Holy Communion Mass.
 
Prince Carlos and Princess Annemarie and their son Prince Carlos Enrique out in Piacenza - with Annemarie's parents at Chiesa San Sisto




"Every year Prince Carlos of Bourbon Parma tries to visit the Italian homeland - the former duchy of Parma and Piacenza. Corona, like so many things, caused an interruption, but this weekend Carlos is in Italy after all. The visit started Friday in Piacenza and will continue on Saturday in Parma."


https://t.co/ZMniHSv10J

More pictures for this weekend visit of the family in Parma

https://www.ppe-agency.com/show.php?zoektype=2&search=02-07-2022 Bourbon
 
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Explanation by the Raad van State (est. 1531 - the highest advisor of the Government as well the supreme Court of Adminsitraton - The King is president of this High College of State):

The Nobility Act
In 1996 Prince Carlos de Bourbon de Parme was incorporated into the Nobility of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. The title of Prince and the predicate Royal Highness and the surname De Bourbon de Parme were established to him and his male descendants. As a result, the Nobility Act is applicable to Hugo Klynstra and the title and the predicate proceeds automatically with the change of surname. The way in which the paternity of the child has been established does not matter for the Nobility Act, is confirmed by the Raad van State.

The Royal House De Bourbon de Parme
The change of surname does not mean that Hugo Klynstra is now also a member of the Royal House De Bourbon de Parme. That is a private matter of the House itself. The Nobility Act has no jurisdiction about that.

The Royal House of the Netherlands
Prince Carlos de Bourbon de Parme is no member of the Royal House of the Netherlands. The change of the surname of his extramarital son therefore has no effect concerning the Royal House of the Netherlands.

Background
Hugo Klynstra was born in 1997. He is an extramarital son of Prince Carlos de Bourbon de Parme. When he was born, he got the surname of his mother: Klynstra. When Hugo Klynstra came of age, he filed a request to the Minister of Justice for a change of the surname. The Minister agreed to this request in 2015.

Prince Carlos de Bourbon de Parme objected to this decision at the Court of Justice of The Hague. In November 2016 the Court ruled that the objections of Prince Carlos against the name change could not succeed. In today's ruling, the Raad van State confirms that judgment of the Court.

https://www.raadvanstate.nl/pers/pe...icht.html?id=1120&summary_only=&category_id=8
Prince Carlos Duke of Parma and Piacenza had had an agreement with Birgitte Klynstra that their son would bear his mother's surname without titles, and the mother promised that it would be so. However, the pacts were not respected and that is why the Duke of Parma has initiated legal proceedings against his son. Because the pacts have not been respected. The Dutch court has specified that Hugo is not part of the Royal and Ducal House of Bourbon-Parma (and rightly so). Not being a member of the royal house, Hugo will not be the head of the House de Bourbon de Parme in the Netherlands, the head will always be The Prince of Piacenza Heir, the Duke's last son. It is not right for the Netherlands to give titles to all illegitimate children. There is a difference between the House of Bourbon-Parma and the House of Bourbon de Parme: the House of Bourbon-Parma is the former Royal House of Parma and Piacenza. The court decided that Hugo is not part of the Royal House precisely because the laws of the House of Bourbon-Parma specify that an illegitimate child is not part of the royal family. The House de Bourbon de Parme is the Dutch branch: they have the title of Prince and Princess de Bourbon de Parme in the Netherlands as members of the enlarged Royal House. In conclusion, Hugo will not be the head. I have many books where the rules of the Royal House of Parma are written.
 
Prince Carlos Duke of Parma and Piacenza had had an agreement with Birgitte Klynstra that their son would bear his mother's surname without titles, and the mother promised that it would be so. However, the pacts were not respected and that is why the Duke of Parma has initiated legal proceedings against his son. Because the pacts have not been respected. The Dutch court has specified that Hugo is not part of the Royal and Ducal House of Bourbon-Parma (and rightly so). Not being a member of the royal house, Hugo will not be the head of the House de Bourbon de Parme in the Netherlands, the head will always be The Prince of Piacenza Heir, the Duke's last son. It is not right for the Netherlands to give titles to all illegitimate children. There is a difference between the House of Bourbon-Parma and the House of Bourbon de Parme: the House of Bourbon-Parma is the former Royal House of Parma and Piacenza. The court decided that Hugo is not part of the Royal House precisely because the laws of the House of Bourbon-Parma specify that an illegitimate child is not part of the royal family. The House de Bourbon de Parme is the Dutch branch: they have the title of Prince and Princess de Bourbon de Parme in the Netherlands as members of the enlarged Royal House. In conclusion, Hugo will not be the head. I have many books where the rules of the Royal House of Parma are written.


There are three different Houses de Bourbon de Parme:


A
The House of Bourbon-Parma (Dukes of Parma and Piacenza)


B
The family De Bourbon de Parme, incorporated in the Nobility of the Grand-Duchy of Luxembourg in 1919 (descendants of Prince Félix de Bourbon de Parme)


C
The family De Bourbon de Parme, incorporated into the Nobility of the Kingdom of the Netherlands in 1996 (descendants of Prince Carlos Hugo de Bourbon de Parme, Duke of Parma)


Carlos Klynstra belongs to C. That is: to the Dutch noble family De Bourbon de Parme. The Dutch Civic Code and the Dutch Nobility Act apply on this situation. The Raad van State acknowledged it had no jurisdiction about A.


The reason the 4 children of the late Duke of Parma requested incorporation into the Nobility of the Kingdom of the Netherlands: they would now belong to a legal established Nobility of a memberstate of the Europan Union, with legally recognized titles. Until then -officially- they were without any recognized title as neither Spain nor France nor Italy sees them as princes (princesses) with the prefix HRH.


But: with the incorporation into the Nobility of Luxembourg and into the Nobility of the Netherlands, the absolute autonomy over titles has gone. Carlos Xavier de Bourbon de Parme has no authority about the Dutch titles of Carlos Klynstra. It is the Civic Code and the Nobility Act which determined his extramarital son has the right to be Zijne Koninklijke Hoogheid Carlos Hugo Roderick Sybren prins de Bourbon de Parme.


But: I still have not see a Royal Decree admitting Carlos Klynstra into the Nobility. I do not know if Carlos indeed has requested his uncle, King Willem-Alexander, to do so. Usually a new Adelslijst (a list of additions or changes of titles and surnames into the Nobility) is published, as an annex to a Royal Decree.
 
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Hello everyone, does anyone have any information concerning who is in the line of succession to the former Parmesan throne?
 
Hello everyone, does anyone have any information concerning who is in the line of succession to the former Parmesan throne?

Assuming you accept Carlos as current head:

1. Prince Carlos Enrique (son of the current head)
2. Prince Jaime (brother of the current head)
3. Prince Sixte Enrique (estranged uncle of the current head)

Number 1 is a child, number 2 has only daughters and number 3 is unmarried. So, there will be a lot of pressure on the young Carlos to father a (legitimate) son.

After them it would be the Luxembourgian grand ducal family - as prince Felix was the next brother after Xavier (the grandfather of prince Carlos), so the male-line descendants of dynastic marriages of grand duke Jean (and prince Charles - but I doubt his marriage was considered dynastic given the standards applied in 1967).

And after them the dynastic male-line descendants of prince René, who married princess Margaret of Denmark. Not sure whether any of them still qualify - but they include some royal and noble marriages.

I doesn't look like the younger brothers had any sons with dynastic marriages.
 
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Hello everyone, does anyone have any information concerning who is in the line of succession to the former Parmesan throne?

Do you mean the headship of the family and position of pretender? In the unlikely event of Parma seceding from the Italian republic and reestablishing a throne of Parma, it is (even more) unlikely that the succession to the restored throne would be automatic in the case of the first monarch post-restoration. Whichever authorities were responsible for the restoration would probably discuss the suitable candidates and formally appoint the new monarch through a legislative process.
 
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Hello everyone, does anyone have any information concerning who is in the line of succession to the former Parmesan throne?

Hello. Originally the line of succession of the Duchy of Parma and Piacenza was based on noble marriages: a prince who married an ordinary woman could not guarantee his children the place in the succession and the title of Prince/Princess. So it was until Duke Carlos Hugo. In fact, he approved the marriages of the Princes:
- Prince Erik (1953-2021). Married to the Hereditary Countess of Holstein-Ledreborg Lydia. Their children will automatically become Counts/Countesses of Holstein-Ledreborg when their mother becomes the 9th Countess. Their children are Princes/Princesses of Bourbon-Parma with the predicate of Royal Highness.
- Prince Charles-Emmanuel (born 1961). He married Baroness Constance Elisabeth de Ravinel. Their children are Princes/Princesses of Bourbon-Parma with the predicate of Royal Highness.
- Prince Jean (born 1961). He married Virginia Roatta, a commune. However, thanks to a special permission from Duke Carlos Hugo, she was able to marry. Their children are Princes/Princesses of Bourbon-Parma with the predicate of Royal Highness.
- Prince Carlos Xavier (born 1970). Current Duke of Parma and Piacenza. He married the Dutch noblewoman Annemarie Gualtherie van Weezel. She was also created Countess of Molina. Their children are Princes/Princesses of Bourbon-Parma with the predicate of Royal Highness.
- Prince Jaime (born 1972). He married Viktória Cservenyák. She was created Countess of Montizòn. Their children are Princes/Princesses of Bourbon-Parma with the predicate of Royal Highness.
- Prince Alain (born 1955). He married Inge-Birgitte Vedel Andersen. The marriage was approved thanks to special permission from Duke Carlos Hugo.
The following marriages were approved by Duke Elias:
- Prince Michel (1926-2018). He married Princess Yolande de Broglie-Revel. Their children are Princes/Princesses of Bourbon-Parma with the predicate of Royal Highness.
- Prince Jacques (1922-1964). He married Countess Birgitte Alexandra of Holstein-Ledreborg. Their children are Princes/Princesses of Bourbon-Parma with the predicate of Royal Highness. His marriage was approved when Elias was regent for his mentally incapable brother Joseph.
The following marriages were approved by Duke Robert Hugo:
- Prince André (1928-2011). He married Marina Gacry. His marriage was approved by special permission granted by Duke Robert Hugo, as Marina was a commune. Their children are Princes/Princesses of Bourbon-Parma with the predicate of Royal Highness.
The marriages of Princes Remy and Guy were not approved by Duke Robert Hugo: however, they were recognized as valid by Duke Carlos Hugo. Since then the children of Princes Remy and Guy are Princes / Princesses of Bourbon-Parma with the predicate of Royal Highness.
Since Charles Xavier became Duke, marriages no longer require the permission of the Duke of Parma to be valid (the rule still applies, however, to the Duke's children. The marriages of Princes Louis Emmanuel, Tristan, Philipp, Joseph, Axel and Henri are all valid after Carlos Xavier becomes Duke. (Prince Henri married Archduchess Gabriella of Austria in 2020 and his marriage is valid, Prince Joseph also married in 2018 and Carlos Xavier gave his consent even though it is no longer needed for the weddings of the House of Bourbon-Parma: A prince who marries an ordinary woman grants his children inheritance rights.).
The line of succession is as follows:
Prince Carlos, the Duke of Parma and Piacenza
1. Prince Carlos, the Principe of Piacenza
2. Prince Jaime, the Count of Bardi
3. Prince Sixtus Henry, the Duke of Aranjuez
4. Prince Philip of Bourbon-Parma
5. Prince Jacques of Bourbon-Parma
6. Prince Joseph of Bourbon-Parma
7. Prince Arthur of Bourbon-Parma
8. Prince Alain of Bourbon-Parma
9. Prince Michael of Bourbon-Parma
10. Prince Henri of Bourbon-Parma
11. Prince Charles-Emmanuel of Bourbon-Parma
12. Prince Amaury of Bourbon-Parma
13. Prince Axel of Bourbon-Parma
14. Prince Côme Axel of Bourbon-Parma
15. Prince Louis-Emmanuel of Bourbon-Parma
16. Prince Guy of Bourbon-Parma
17. Prince Rémy of Bourbon-Parma
18. Prince Tristan of Bourbon-Parma
19. Prince Imri of Bourbon-Parma
20. Prince Jean of Bourbon-Parma
21. Prince Arnaud of Bourbon-Parma
22. Prince Christophe of Bourbon-Parma
23. The Grand Duke of Luxembourg
24. The Hereditary Grand Duke of Luxembourg
25. Prince Charles of Luxembourg
26. Prince Felix of Luxembourg
27. Prince Liam of Nassau
28. Prince Sébastien of Luxembourg
29. Prince Jean of Luxembourg
30. [His children and grandchildren]
31. Prince Guillaume of Luxembourg
32. [His children and grandchildren]
33. Prince Robert of Luxembourg
34. [His children and grandchildren]
 
Thank you! I was meaning the line of succession for the Headship of the House. Curious, why would the male lineage of the Grand Ducal House of Luxembourg be at the end when Prince Felix was the next brother?
 
Despite her well-sounding name Anne-Marie Gualthérie van Weezel is neither noble ("the red book") nor patrician ("the blue book").

The Dutch language still has the speaking "that is not according the book" (general meaning: that is not how it should be) and its origin was marrying "outside the book" (not marrying according standing).
 
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Thank you! I was meaning the line of succession for the Headship of the House. Curious, why would the male lineage of the Grand Ducal House of Luxembourg be at the end when Prince Felix was the next brother?

From the book "The Last Habsburgs and the Last Bourbons in Italy" it emerges that after Carlos Hugo did not approve the marriage of Grand Duke Henri to María Teresa Mestre y Batista, there was a split with the branch of the Bourbon-Parma family in Luxembourg and that Carlos Hugo had the descendants of Prince Felix placed at the end of the line of succession. Currently, however, the two branches have made peace.
 
From the book "The Last Habsburgs and the Last Bourbons in Italy" it emerges that after Carlos Hugo did not approve the marriage of Grand Duke Henri to María Teresa Mestre y Batista, there was a split with the branch of the Bourbon-Parma family in Luxembourg and that Carlos Hugo had the descendants of Prince Felix placed at the end of the line of succession. Currently, however, the two branches have made peace.

The Grand-Ducal House first sees itself as Nassaus and (of course) Luxembourgers. That there is also a historical link to Parma will most likely not be more relevant to them than their historical links to France and Spain: all of them under a thick layer of dust from history.

By my knowledge neither the former Duchess of Parma (Irene of Orange-Nassau) nor the current Duke and Duchess of Parma were at the wedding of their cousin the Hereditary Grand-Duke Guillaume & the comtesse Stéphanie de Lannoy.
 
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By my knowledge neither the former Duchess of Parma (Irene of Orange-Nassau) nor the current Duke and Duchess of Parma were at the wedding of their cousin the Hereditary Grand-Duke Guillaume & the comtesse Stéphanie de Lannoy.


Duke Carlos and Duchess Annemarie were present at the wedding in 2012 and also at the funeral of Grand Duke Jean in 2019.
 
Duke Carlos and Duchess Annemarie were present at the wedding in 2012 and also at the funeral of Grand Duke Jean in 2019.

Ah, I stand corrected. Indeed remember pictures of Anne-Marie with a diadem at a wedding but I thought this was in Potsdam, for the wedding of Georg Friedrich von Preußen and Sophie von Isenburg.

Then indeed the links between the Bourbon-Parmas are normal again.
 
The Grand-Ducal House first sees itself as Nassaus and (of course) Luxembourgers. That there is also a historical link to Parma will most likely not be more relevant to them than their historical links to France and Spain: all of them under a thick layer of dust from history.

By my knowledge neither the former Duchess of Parma (Irene of Orange-Nassau) nor the current Duke and Duchess of Parma were at the wedding of their cousin the Hereditary Grand-Duke Guillaume & the comtesse Stéphanie de Lannoy.

The wedding of the Hereditary Grand Duke Guillaume was attended by the Duke and Duchess of Parma and Piacenza, Princess Marie Françoise of Bourbon-Parma and Princess Lydia of Bourbon-Parma future Countess of Holstein-Ledreborg.
https://https//4.bp.blogspot.com/-y...A4/s1600/ebc95d9cf5507a58830d4b746459ff93.jpg
(Duke and Duchess with the Tsarina of Bulgaria).
https://https//i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/20/article-0-1597AFA5000005DC-409_964x644.jpg (The Duke and Duchess in the last row of the left side of the church)
https://https//1.bp.blogspot.com/-t...s+Wedding_Cour+Grand+Ducale+Vic+Fischbach.jpg (The Duke and Duchess of Parma and Piacenza standing next to the Duke and Duchess of Braganza)
I did not find photos of Princesses Marie Françoise and Lydia, although Princess Marie Françoise arrived at the wedding with her son, Prince Charles-Henri de Lobkowicz.

Ah, I stand corrected. Indeed remember pictures of Anne-Marie with a diadem at a wedding but I thought this was in Potsdam, for the wedding of Georg Friedrich von Preußen and Sophie von Isenburg.

Then indeed the links between the Bourbon-Parmas are normal again.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yhcILF4O...A4/s1600/ebc95d9cf5507a58830d4b746459ff93.jpg
https://https//1.bp.blogspot.com/-t...s+Wedding_Cour+Grand+Ducale+Vic+Fischbach.jpg
https://https//i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/20/article-0-1597AFA5000005DC-409_964x644.jpg
The Duke and Duchess of Parma and Piacenza at the wedding of the hereditary Grand Duke Guillaume in 2012.

https://https//i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/20/article-0-1597AFA5000005DC-409_964x644.jpg
https://https//1.bp.blogspot.com/-t...s+Wedding_Cour+Grand+Ducale+Vic+Fischbach.jpg
https://https//4.bp.blogspot.com/-y...A4/s1600/ebc95d9cf5507a58830d4b746459ff93.jpg

The Duke and Duchess at the wedding of the Hereditary Grand Duke Guillaume.

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The Duke and Duchess at the wedding of the Crown Prince of Luxembourg Guillaume.

Duke Carlos and Duchess Annemarie were present at the wedding in 2012 and also at the funeral of Grand Duke Jean in 2019.

https://https//i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/10/20/article-0-1597AFA5000005DC-409_964x644.jpg
https://https//1.bp.blogspot.com/-t...s+Wedding_Cour+Grand+Ducale+Vic+Fischbach.jpg
https://https//4.bp.blogspot.com/-y...A4/s1600/ebc95d9cf5507a58830d4b746459ff93.jpg

Duke and Duchess of Parma and Piacenza at the wedding of hereditary Grand Duke Guillaume

The Duke and Duchess of Parma and Piacenza attended the wedding of hereditary Grand Duke Guillaume in 2012 and the funeral of Grand Duke Jean. If I'm not mistaken, they were also there at Prince Felix's wedding.

Archduchess Gabriella of Austria released this photograph on the occasion of the 31st birthday of her husband, Prince Henri of Bourbon-Parma. The couple has two daughters: their Royal Highnesses Princesses Victoria and Anastasia. This is the first official photo I see of Princess Anastasia. https://https//instagram.fcia7-1.fn...7IF3VTg7OTLnPUmYrQ&oe=6352CD15&_nc_sid=4f375e

Have you ever wondered what the children of the late Prince Erik and Princess Lydia will be after she becomes Countess of Holstein-Ledreborg?
The House of Holstein-Ledreborg does not follow the criterion of Salic law, in fact the current head of the House is Countess Monica (who has no children) and therefore the title of Countess of Holstein-Ledreborg will pass to Countess Lydia. If I'm not mistaken, since Lydia got married, her children are in the line of succession. So I wonder now, will the head of the House after Lydia be her daughter Princess Antonia of Bourbon-Parma or will a male primogeniture be preferred? If a male primogeniture is preferred, the Head of the House will be Prince Michel, elder brother of Prince Henri (husband of Archduchess Gabriella of Austria). The House of Holstein-Ledreborg has titles recognized by the Danish crown, being the house from Denmark. ����
 
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Have you ever wondered what the children of the late Prince Erik and Princess Lydia will be after she becomes Countess of Holstein-Ledreborg?
The House of Holstein-Ledreborg does not follow the criterion of Salic law, in fact the current head of the House is Countess Monica (who has no children) and therefore the title of Countess of Holstein-Ledreborg will pass to Countess Lydia. If I'm not mistaken, since Lydia got married, her children are in the line of succession. So I wonder now, will the head of the House after Lydia be her daughter Princess Antonia of Bourbon-Parma or will a male primogeniture be preferred? If a male primogeniture is preferred, the Head of the House will be Prince Michel, elder brother of Prince Henri (husband of Archduchess Gabriella of Austria). The House of Holstein-Ledreborg has titles recognized by the Danish crown, being the house from Denmark. ����

I'm sorry, but your post puzzles me. Danish noble status and titles are inherited through the agnatic line.
There is no future "Countess of Holstein-Ledreborg" since all members of the family carry the titles Count, Countess (wife of a count) and Komtesse (Countess for unmarried daughters which they loose upon marriage). The headship of the house lies with the descendants of Count Carl of Holstein-Ledreborg who is (was?) the brother of the late Lensgreve (feudal count) Knud Holstein-Ledreborg and uncle to his daughter's Monica, Lydia, Silvia etc... I've seen Carl describe himself as the last lensgreve, but I haven't seen another reliable source for that.
Silvia, who is married to the Scotsman John Munro of Foulis, is the current owner of the family estate Ledreborg Castle and after her it will go to their son Alexander Munro.
A Lensgreve (feudal count) and a Lensbaron (feudal baron) held the highest titles possible for non-royals in Denmark and were the proprietors of extensive estates with very favourable conditions regarding taxation, inheritance and were often responsible for the healthcare, education of those living on these estates and had some legal jurisdiction over them. A law was passed to start the dissolution of them in 1919 but the premier male heirs for two generations got the right to carry their ancestral titles. After that they, like everyone else in their families, carried the titles greve or baron. This led to the len of Ledreborg being dissolved in 1926.
To my knowledge the len of Ledreborg was created for the agnatic descendants of Count Johan Ludvig Holstein in 1746 so even if it was still in existence it would pass to an agnatic, male heir of him.
To get to the point of my post the descendants of Prince Erik and Princess Lydia wil be Princes of Bourbon-Parma and nothing else. Their mother's ancestral titles (lensgreve) were inherited in the agnatic line and have since been abolished under terms that mean that they will die out very soon if that hasn't happened already. The titles that do remain in the Holstein-Ledreborg family are only inherited through the agnatic line according to the rules of the Danish nobility. Also the land that the lensgreve title was tied to now belongs to other relatives.
 
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Lydia's sister, Monica, is the current eighth Countess of Holstein-Ledreborg.
 
Lydia's sister, Monica, is the current eighth Countess of Holstein-Ledreborg.
Monica lost her title when she married Henrik de Dompierre de Jonquieres in 2003 as is the custom of the Danish nobility.
 
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Monica lost her title when she married Henrik de Dompierre de Jonquieres in 2003 as is the custom of the Danish nobility.

Yes, you are actually right. However, on Wikipedia she is still referred to as the 8th Countess of Holstein-Ledreborg. But Lydia is called "Hereditary Countess of Holstein-Ledreborg".
 
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