Charles III: New King. New Court. The Inside Story


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You wonder what will be true and what will be their truth.
I have come to believe that any report of a verbal conversation, such as that describing how she felt about her grandson naming her greatgrandchild after her affectionate nickname and how she was devasted by it is best taken with a large jar of salt.

There is, as per usual, a dearth of reputable sources and yet Harry and Meghan have been mercilessly lambasted, harangued and possibly even libelled. I put this virtual bombardment of nasty headlines down to Harry's relationship with the legacy media.

I was listening to the recent judgement in his favour and the commentator opined that from the moment he started down this path against the media along with many, many others, the wrath of the media would become unrelentingly negative, incurring reporting on him in much the same as one would an axe murderer. The fact there are two more cases with one having as many as fifty plaintiffs yet to come, smacks of playback. And the "Lillibet" incident reflects that.
 
King Charles is on his way and should be here later today! ?

I am happy to share chapter structure, pertinent points (and my thoughts thereon) as and when - although whether they will be of the calibre of HRH Hermione's splendid recaps is open to debate! I will also be taking a short holiday starting Sunday and will not have access to my laptop for a few days, but I am more than willing to make a start ?
 
King Charles is on his way and should be here later today! ?

I am happy to share chapter structure, pertinent points (and my thoughts thereon) as and when - although whether they will be of the calibre of HRH Hermione's splendid recaps is open to debate! I will also be taking a short holiday starting Sunday and will not have access to my laptop for a few days, but I am more than willing to make a start ?

Likewise, but as I have been unwell the last few days I might just be on the sofa with the King for the remainder of the week.
 
Likewise, but as I have been unwell the last few days I might just be on the sofa with the King for the remainder of the week.

Get well soon! :flowers:

Unfortunately I've now been informed the book is not coming until next week :sad: never mind! Perhaps it has sold so many copies they've run out of stock ?
 
Get well soon! :flowers:

Unfortunately I've now been informed the book is not coming until next week :sad: never mind! Perhaps it has sold so many copies they've run out of stock ?

I am the same, received an e mail earlier today, but disappointed but like you not sure if over subscribed or just a hitch somewhere.
 
I am sorry that your copies are arriving late Hall Girl and shady lady.
 
I am five chapters into this book and so far, it’s great. It’s such a relief after the last few I’ve read to get to something properly sourced that focuses more on the interesting historical and ceremonial aspects of the monarchy rather than the gossip. I especially love the parts where the Princess Royal is interviewed. Getting her perspective on the events around her mother’s passing and her brother’s reign make this a worthy read.
 
Although I’m enjoying the book and the “insider perspective”, it does have a distinctly uncritical feel, to my way of thinking.
 
Although I’m enjoying the book and the “insider perspective”, it does have a distinctly uncritical feel, to my way of thinking.

I agree, but I’m ok with that. I don’t think everything ever written about monarchy should have to include arguments against the institution for balance.
 
Listening to it. It is just a historical record. Very positive. Brushes the negatives.

I am a bit tired of the Queens funeral.
 
I agree, but I’m ok with that. I don’t think everything ever written about monarchy should have to include arguments against the institution for balance.

There’s a difference between “arguments against the institution” versus rosy character portraits that if done by someone of Scobie-level talent would invite great scorn and skepticism. Even when things like Charles’s temper and whingeing are mentioned, it’s not done in a negative or critical sense.

It’s nice to read a positive, cheerful work with nothing bad to say about anyone on one hand; on the other, it can come off as faintly anodyne and hagiographic compared to other cracks at the subject.
 
There’s a difference between “arguments against the institution” versus rosy character portraits that if done by someone of Scobie-level talent would invite great scorn and skepticism. Even when things like Charles’s temper and whingeing are mentioned, it’s not done in a negative or critical sense.

It’s nice to read a positive, cheerful work with nothing bad to say about anyone on one hand; on the other, it can come off as faintly anodyne and hagiographic compared to other cracks at the subject.
What critical things do you think it should be addressing? People who know of him already know about his temper, his demanding ways, etc. some criticisms have been over exaggerated or twisted in books by authors so that’s old news. The things that people already know have been regurgitated and told in many ways, so there’s no need over analyse or go into much depth about that.
 
There’s a difference between “arguments against the institution” versus rosy character portraits that if done by someone of Scobie-level talent would invite great scorn and skepticism. Even when things like Charles’s temper and whingeing are mentioned, it’s not done in a negative or critical sense.

It’s nice to read a positive, cheerful work with nothing bad to say about anyone on one hand; on the other, it can come off as faintly anodyne and hagiographic compared to other cracks at the subject.

I suppose it depends on perspective. I think the way Charles’s temper is being described is fairly close to how Philip’s was always described. It’s acknowledged as a characteristic, but not one that really causes many problems and doesn’t impede his ability to work. Given that the last Scobie book had an entire chapter where Charles being frustrated with pens revealed deep character flaws, I’m fine with seeing Charles being frustrated by pens treated as a fairly harmless character quirk.
 
My book has now arrived, I hope to get in to it this weekend, Glad to compare notes with anybody who has read it.
 
So I have read two chapters of the book so far, focusing on Charles and then Camilla. I have to say the book is a very pleasant read. It's written in a very mature, non-sensational style. I found the chapter on Camilla particularly insightful. She comes across as very down to earth and friendly - someone you'd enjoy a chat with. Looking forward to the next chapter (London Bridge) although it will obviously be a sad read in places.
 
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The Daily Mail is reporting that Charles has 'cut off Andrew's cash', by terminating his seven-figure annual personal allowance. The claims are made in Robert Hardman's updated biography of the King, which the DM is serialising.

 
The Daily Mail is reporting that Charles has 'cut off Andrew's cash', by terminating his seven-figure annual personal allowance. The claims are made in Robert Hardman's updated biography of the King, which the DM is serialising.


Thank you! The excerpt on the Duke of York from the new chapters of Mr. Hardman's book can be read at this link:


Quoting from the excerpt:

'Had she lived another year, he would have been out [of Royal Lodge],' says a former adviser to Elizabeth II firmly.

'It was her plan to move him out, to end the lease for the Sussexes at Frogmore Cottage and to move Andrew in there. It was mainly a money thing, as she could see it was becoming unsustainable.'

[...]

'No one felt guilty about taking over his office because he and his people had become bullies by the end. They would tell the security people that no one needed clearance to come in if they were 'a personal friend' of the Duke,' says one [member of Elizabeth II's staff]. 'That is how he got Newsnight in there without people knowing. He'd told us he wasn't doing a TV interview and then said he wouldn't do one during an election. Then he did both.'

[...]

In the late summer of this year [2024], that [King Charles III's] patience ran out. The Duke informed the monarch that, regardless of any ultimatum, he was going to stay put at Royal Lodge anyway. At which point, the Keeper of the Privy Purse (the monarchy's finance director) was instructed to sever his living allowance.

'The Duke is no longer a financial burden on the King,' confirms one familiar with the situation. 'He claims to have found other sources of income related to his contacts in international trade, sufficient to cover all his costs – which would be a welcome outcome for all parties if that turns out to be the case. But as to whether this funding can be relied upon in the long term is another matter.'

[...]

And what if the money then runs out?

'Let's just say that if that moment comes, and the Duke needs to call on the King's resources once more, the range of options available to him may be more limited and rather less appealing,' says one insider drily.

'This was never about 'punishing' the Duke for past misdeeds, or freeing up the property for another member of the family,' insists the source. 'It was about his long-term welfare and security – and that of the house. Alas, that advice has gone unheeded, which is frustrating for all those nearest and dearest to him.'

The Duke's lack of common sense comes as no surprise to veterans of life in the Royal Household. They point to an incident in 2016 when, upon his return to Royal Lodge after an outing, the electric sensors on one of the gates failed to work.

Rather than make a five-minute detour to another entrance, he simply rammed the gate with his Range Rover, causing considerable damage to both the gate and the £80,000 car. 'It could have been easier to understand if he'd been drunk,' said one Palace staffer at the time. 'But he is teetotal.'​


I wonder what the Duke's alleged "other sources of income related to his contacts in international trade, sufficient to cover all his costs" are, and whether they might be problematic in the eyes of the public.

Was the 2016 gate-ramming incident reported on at the time?

The sources who briefed Mr. Hardman on behalf of the King are, by the standards of the palace briefings, harsh in tone.
 
I'm surprised that Charles waited this long to cut off the cash flow.
He was never going to indulge Andrew the way the Queen did.

Anyway, it's not like Charles is about to throw Andrew into the street! He'll simply be given a smaller, easier to maintain residence.
 
An excerpt from new chapters in the updated edition of the book "Charles III: New King. New Court. The Inside Story" by Robert Hardman features a "senior constitutional expert and adviser to the [royal] family" discussing King Charles III's alleged views on the Duke of Sussex's court cases.


The real reasons for the apparent remoteness between father and son – though unspoken by either side – were pragmatic and, it turns out, understandable. [...]

'Here you have the infelicitous situation where the King's son is suing the King's ministers in the King's courts,' points out one senior constitutional expert and adviser to the family. 'That is pulling the King in three directions. You also have the situation where the King's son publishes accounts of private conversations, some of which have been, shall we say, wrong.'

The adviser points, by way of example, to the section of Spare in which his account of being told of the Queen Mother's death was a fabrication.

Harry had painted a forlorn picture of a lonely Eton schoolboy being told, by a lackey, of the death of his adored great-grandmother: 'I took the call. I wish I could remember whose voice was at the other end: a courtier's, I believe. I recall that it was just before Easter, the weather bright and warm, light slanting through my window, filled with vivid colours. 'Your Royal Highness, the Queen Mother has died.' '

Harry was actually in Switzerland, skiing with his father and brother, when all three received the news.

'So imagine the situation,' says the adviser, 'if the Prince were to talk to his father about his court case and then later to describe that conversation – or, worse, a conversation which was not entirely accurate. There would be serious legal jeopardy.'

Nor is that a hypothetical situation. The adviser points to the acute embarrassment of the 2002 court case involving Paul Burrell. The former royal butler was standing trial for theft after police discovered hundreds of items belonging to the late Diana, Princess of Wales at his home.

After the Queen's private recollection that Burrell had told her he was looking after Diana's things for safekeeping, the prosecution pronounced its case 'no longer viable' and the trial was abandoned.

'Harry would only have to say, 'My father said this' and a court case could collapse,' says the adviser. 'That's not just awkward. That's bad. That is deep legal and constitutional jeopardy when you are head of state and of the judiciary and it is His Majesty's Government.'

 
...The adviser points, by way of example, to the section of Spare in which his account of being told of the Queen Mother's death was a fabrication.
Harry had painted a forlorn picture of a lonely Eton schoolboy being told, by a lackey, of the death of his adored great-grandmother: 'I took the call. I wish I could remember whose voice was at the other end: a courtier's, I believe. I recall that it was just before Easter, the weather bright and warm, light slanting through my window, filled with vivid colours. 'Your Royal Highness, the Queen Mother has died.' '​
Harry was actually in Switzerland, skiing with his father and brother, when all three received the news...​

I recall we discussed this specific subject already, that Harry did not write the book but memorized lines for the interviews, after the discrepancies started to show all over. Harry had a ghost writer hired, like all ghost writers to make the book both readable and marketable placing embellishments all over it.

And since the 'author' Harry has never been known for his smarts and wits, on interviews and press quotes he seemed to spit out sections of the book as in normal conversation. As if he came up with that extremely dramatic literary approach on delivery. My take on this is he read the book and seen his name on the cover made him believe those were his lines. Like he came up with those lines on the interview with the ghost writer and, later on press meetings, ran with them as if they were his own lines.

I mean, this is Harry we are talking about, I don't recall a single interview where in conversation he has quoted material from books he has read in his life. Unless we count Auntie Sarah of York children's books collection. Quite frankly, I won't even consider quotes or events on his book as facts but more of a poor ghost writer's talent after being hired to piece together a book on Harry's memories alone.
 
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I have the feeling five years from now we will still be waiting for Andrew to leave the Royal Lodge. They seriously need to stop making extended leases to the royals and the king should have a clause if you start trouble or embarrass The Firm start packing.
 
The DM reported Andrew crashing into the gates at Royal Lodge Windsor at the time (March 2016.) He wanted to avoid a one mile detour apparently, and caused a lot of damage, to the gate and to his car.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3496876/Prince-Andrew-WON-T-investigated-police-ramming-park-gates-80-000-Range-Rover.html#:~:text=The%20Queen's%20son%20has%20been,avoid%20a%20one%2Dmile%20detour.

As for Andrew’s unofficial sources of income, these have long been a source of mystery and several broadsheet newspapers tried to investigate them over the years but were stymied by FOI laws.
My guess is that while the King’s withdrawal of all moneys and subsidies are probably a great inconvenience to Andrew, he is far from having to pass around a begging bowl.

He had many years as a Trade Ambassador in which to build up relationships with oligarchs of various kinds and also those in banking and finance circles. They may well be giving him investment advice even now, or even a ‘loan’ or two.

IMO it won’t be easy getting Andrew out of Royal Lodge to move anywhere as he obviously feels entitled to stay put. And I believe that is what he’ll do until it is absolutely impossible to remain.

The damage done to the relationship between the two brothers because of all this will continue to deteriorate, I expect.
 
Thank you! The excerpt on the Duke of York from the new chapters of Mr. Hardman's book can be read at this link:


Quoting from the excerpt:

'Had she lived another year, he would have been out [of Royal Lodge],' says a former adviser to Elizabeth II firmly.​
'It was her plan to move him out, to end the lease for the Sussexes at Frogmore Cottage and to move Andrew in there. It was mainly a money thing, as she could see it was becoming unsustainable.'​
[...]​
'No one felt guilty about taking over his office because he and his people had become bullies by the end. They would tell the security people that no one needed clearance to come in if they were 'a personal friend' of the Duke,' says one [member of Elizabeth II's staff]. 'That is how he got Newsnight in there without people knowing. He'd told us he wasn't doing a TV interview and then said he wouldn't do one during an election. Then he did both.'​
[...]​
In the late summer of this year [2024], that [King Charles III's] patience ran out. The Duke informed the monarch that, regardless of any ultimatum, he was going to stay put at Royal Lodge anyway. At which point, the Keeper of the Privy Purse (the monarchy's finance director) was instructed to sever his living allowance.​
'The Duke is no longer a financial burden on the King,' confirms one familiar with the situation. 'He claims to have found other sources of income related to his contacts in international trade, sufficient to cover all his costs – which would be a welcome outcome for all parties if that turns out to be the case. But as to whether this funding can be relied upon in the long term is another matter.'​
[...]​
And what if the money then runs out?​
'Let's just say that if that moment comes, and the Duke needs to call on the King's resources once more, the range of options available to him may be more limited and rather less appealing,' says one insider drily.​
'This was never about 'punishing' the Duke for past misdeeds, or freeing up the property for another member of the family,' insists the source. 'It was about his long-term welfare and security – and that of the house. Alas, that advice has gone unheeded, which is frustrating for all those nearest and dearest to him.'​
The Duke's lack of common sense comes as no surprise to veterans of life in the Royal Household. They point to an incident in 2016 when, upon his return to Royal Lodge after an outing, the electric sensors on one of the gates failed to work.​
Rather than make a five-minute detour to another entrance, he simply rammed the gate with his Range Rover, causing considerable damage to both the gate and the £80,000 car. 'It could have been easier to understand if he'd been drunk,' said one Palace staffer at the time. 'But he is teetotal.'​


I wonder what the Duke's alleged "other sources of income related to his contacts in international trade, sufficient to cover all his costs" are, and whether they might be problematic in the eyes of the public.

Was the 2016 gate-ramming incident reported on at the time?

The sources who briefed Mr. Hardman on behalf of the King are, by the standards of the palace briefings, harsh in tone.
Just a question, because I would like to buy the book, but am not sure if it has already been published (kindle) and what the title of the book would be. I found one about King Charles III which came out in January 2024 but am not sure if it's the one that you are mentioning here.
 
I believe we have heard that the late Queen was also going to "suggest" Andrew move out of Royal Lodge, how true that is I don't know, it is rather convenient to the case in some ways but IMO likely true. It sounds more and more to me that Andrew has only really been able to stay there because his mother was happy to pay out for the upkeep, security etc. I suspect the security is a big point, especially if as stated there are items from the Royal Collection etc in the house - they won't be insured and ordinarily they are in highly secured buildings. I think the late Queen was probably more happy to let it rumble on without making any decisive decision but likely agreed long term it wasn't sustainable - especially if it meant Andrew, via the need to be at Royal Lodge, was having more spent on him that any of her other children.
The book's points about Harry's legal cases are very valid. Harry shown he is a) not afraid to air private conversations b) well, diplomatically, "recollections may vary" about what was said
Harry going to court and saying 'but my father said X Y Z about it" would lead to legal problems, likely ones that could only be solved with Charles 0 the Sovereign and where all justice is meant to stem from (and whom has immunity in the eyes of the law) - going to court as a witness. That wouldn't be ideal, for anyone.
 
I have the feeling five years from now we will still be waiting for Andrew to leave the Royal Lodge. They seriously need to stop making extended leases to the royals and the king should have a clause if you start trouble or embarrass The Firm start packing.
Andrews's lease is a private lease, secured on commercial terms, on an arms length basis, between the Crown Estate and the Duke of York. The terms, including its duration, can be agreed by any member of the public. So I am not sure you can "stop making extended leases".
 
I hadn't heard the story about Andrew and the security gates. That sound you hear is my mind boggling about what a pissy man-child he is. I can't imagine ever feeling so entitled that you view causing thousands of pounds of property damage as an acceptable alternative to driving for one more mile.
 
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