Charles III: Coronation Information and Musings - Part 2

[Durham]

Calling on common citizens who do not hold an office under the Crown or an elected office to pledge allegiance to the King is, I think, unusual and somethinng that does not happen ordinarily in the UK

It is unusual. A bit weird really but not in a bad way.

 

[marty1978]

Is there a monarchy country that is not invited to the coronation??

 

[duchessrachel]

Yes. According to a palace briefing, her title will remain The Queen Consort until the coronation. When she is crowned, it will be changed to Queen Camilla (but not The Queen).

See here:

Thank you.

 

[Darius1]

Personally I think that the asking the general public to say the oath is a terrible idea. It is literally opening itself to abuse and protest. You can image that the whole internet of people yelling various versions of their protest towards an oath online, on twitter, youtube - everywhere.
By asking the public directly it became personal - and well you dont want a country and commonwealth that is so divided and uneducated (and yes - we are) to do something so partisan. It might seem trival to most - but it can have sever consequences in the relationship of the monarchy and its subjects going forward. YOu can image people refusing to go to court as it is His majesty's. There might be a whole movement of people requesting the CR be removed from their uniforms, their post stamps and money as they didnt take any oath - it opens up a crack that people will take advantage of.
The Coronation was supposed to be something that could unite all of the United Kingdowm and the Commonwealth - but the obvious forcing of religious inclusions and push towards diversity results in more people been alienated and excluded. Isnt that ironic?

These were my thoughts exactly. It gives a platform for anti-monarchists to mount some kind of anti-oath activity coinciding with the moment of the oath taking itself. The Coronation organisers have obviously meant well and have tried to make this moment inclusive and participative, but I think they miscalculated sadly.

 

[duchessrachel]

I am an American and I read the article titled "People Asked to Swear Allegiance" and in the first sentence it says this:

People watching the Coronation will be invited to join a "chorus of millions" to swear allegiance to the King and his heirs,

and further down in the article:

The order of service will read: "All who so desire, in the Abbey, and elsewhere, say together: I swear that I will pay true allegiance to Your Majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God."


No one is being made to do anything. I think it is a great way of including everyone who is watching and a way to make them feel a part of the Coronation and express their support of King Charles, if they so choose. Titles of articles can be misleading, sometimes purposefully.

As far as the pomp and circumstance of the Coronation, I LOVE it!! In a fast food generation, I am so looking forward to this service of tradition and formality.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Oaths of homage are not new (they have consistently been included in previous coronations), and not long ago, there were many comments on this forum which treated them as an unavoidable part of British coronations (for example, there were many discussions about the optics of the Dukes of York or Sussex paying homage, even though there was never any suggestion that either of them would). I am somewhat surprised that opinions here have moved so quickly from assuming that homage is a required part of coronations to calling for it to be dropped entirely, and would welcome being educated on the reasons for this rapid turnaround in opinion.

 

[Somebody]

People can do it if they want to. If they dont want to, they dont have to. What is the problem then?

I wonder whether it will be misused in the future by some stating that allegiance is apparently voluntary, that thry themselves chose not to swear allegiance, so thry don't feel bound by anything that might somehow suggest allegiance to the king (and country?).

 

[LauraS3514]

That's how all Latin words were traditionally pronounced in Britain. It's taught differently now but the old pronunciations have stuck around for some things.

I sing in a classical chorus, and we recognize "Church/Ecclesiastical Latin," "German Latin," and "British Latin" with their different pronunciations. ?

 

[Denville]

I wonder whether it will be misused in the future by some stating that allegiance is apparently voluntary, that thry themselves chose not to swear allegiance, so thry don't feel bound by anything that might somehow suggest allegiance to the king (and country?).

not at all sure what you mean. Certain people have to swear allegiance, such as MPs or members of the armed forces. Allegiance is not voluntary for everyone and people who undertake jobs where it is necessary have to pledge it.

 

[Mbruno]

I wonder whether it will be misused in the future by some stating that allegiance is apparently voluntary, that thry themselves chose not to swear allegiance, so thry don't feel bound by anything that might somehow suggest allegiance to the king (and country?).

Taking the oath or not is largely irrelevant in my opinion for an ordinary person. Whether one personally feels allegiance to the country or not, everyone who lives in the UK, other than representatives of a foreign government with immunity, is subject to the jurisdiction of the British Crown and the laws made under it. In a country with a voluntary army like the UK, no one is obligated to fight for King and country, but treason for example is still a criminal offense and punishable under the law upon conviction.

The oath makes sense only for people who are required to carry out a public role on behalf of the State (or "the Crown") and those are precisely the people who actually must take the oath and have no choice about it.

 

[FigTree]

Oh come on. It is two hours long. Most people will watch the arrivals and the procession up the aisle so to speak. Like some music. Have a nap. Wake up for crowning. Watch procession back to palace and look at the balcony. Done.

Who is going to proclaim an oath from their living room. Maybe those viewing the big screens. But weather forecast is bad so even that may be numbers down. Beginning of May wasn’t the best of choices weather wise.

 

[Adda]

A coronation would normally be an occasion for female members of the royal family to wear their most dazzling jewellery. However, the Princess of Wales plans to go against expectation at Westminster Abbey on Saturday by not wearing a tiara for the most spectacular royal occasion for 70 years.

Instead it is thought that she is planning to wear a floral headpiece.

Internally screaming.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...rs-in-her-hair-to-king-s-coronation-pwnts3brm


Also, it seems there'll be two receptions. One for the commonwealth leaders in the morning, then another in the evening for foreign heads of state.

The Telegraph understands that earlier on Friday, May 5, the King will host a reception for Commonwealth leaders before the evening’s events, after breaking with tradition by not organising a banquet like his late mother and grandfather.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-f...lty-guest-list-who-attend-charles-coronation/

 

[ACO]

So only Camila is wearing a tiara? Interesting.

 

[suztav]

I don't believe for one minute that Catherine won't wear a tiara! It's just a rumor ... and, frankly, click-bait material.

 

[Adda]

It has to be a rumour. Catherine has to show up in the Girls of Great Britain tiara.

 

[Curryong]

And I would say that with a reception for Commonwealth leaders, followed by the Coronation, then a reception for foreign Heads of State afterwards, the King and Queen’s day will be pretty exhausting, especially considering their ages. Let’s hope they have a full night’s sleep before it (might be doubtful) because after it they’ll probably be sleeping like tops!

 

[ACO]

Why two separate receptions though? Seems unnecessary. Commonwealth Leaders can mingle with HeadS of State. Hmmm.

As for the tiara? We have been hearing this might happen for a while now. I guess we will see come Saturday what really is the truth.

 

[Izzie]

So since the reception seems to be only for heads of state I guess the Crown Prince Couples of Denmark and Norway are not invited. And, their official calendars seem be the only ones that don't have the reception listed.

 

[suztav]

So since the reception seems to be only for heads of state I guess the Crown Prince Couples of Denmark and Norway are not invited. And, their official calendars seem be the only ones that don't have the reception listed.

I would have to think that the CP Couples will be invited because they are representing their “heads of state”.

 

[Sunnystar]

So since the reception seems to be only for heads of state I guess the Crown Prince Couples of Denmark and Norway are not invited. And, their official calendars seem be the only ones that don't have the reception listed.

Except that it's clearly NOT the case since we know that Princess Beatrix and the Princess of Orange will be attending the reception on Friday night and neither are heads of state.

 

[Izzie]

Except that it's clearly NOT the case since we know that Princess Beatrix and the Princess of Orange will be attending the reception on Friday night and neither are heads of state.

Princess Beatrix is a former head of state and the reason she is attending with Princess Amalia is because King Willem Alexander and Queen Maxima have an engagement must attend on May 5th. Well let's hope the invitation to the reception includes all.foreign royals. It would be quite bad form otherwise.

 

[wbenson]

The Lyon Court tweeted an image of the Stone of Scone inside the coronation chair. Behind it, there's also a hint of the work that's being done in the Abbey. It looks like the floor of the south transept has been raised up to the same level as the area where the thrones will go (that area can be seen in its early stages here). The floor is blue, but I think it's too far away to see if that's carpeting or some kind of protective covering.

 

[Sunnystar]

The Lyon Court tweeted an image of the Stone of Scone inside the coronation chair. Behind it, there's also a hint of the work that's being done in the Abbey. It looks like the floor of the south transept has been raised up to the same level as the area where the thrones will go (that area can be seen in its early stages here). The floor is blue, but I think it's too far away to see if that's carpeting or some kind of protective covering.

Pretty sure it's a covering. There's a visible separation between pieces that you can see just above knee level of the people standing behind the scaffolding.

 

[EllieCat]

A coronation would normally be an occasion for female members of the royal family to wear their most dazzling jewellery. However, the Princess of Wales plans to go against expectation at Westminster Abbey on Saturday by not wearing a tiara for the most spectacular royal occasion for 70 years.

Instead it is thought that she is planning to wear a floral headpiece.

Urrghhh. A better idea would be, if not a full-blown tiara, then the Queen Mother's Diamond Bracelet headband. Sort of like a diamond hat

 

[Marchesina]

Internally screaming.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...rs-in-her-hair-to-king-s-coronation-pwnts3brm


Also, it seems there'll be two receptions. One for the commonwealth leaders in the morning, then another in the evening for foreign heads of state.



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-f...lty-guest-list-who-attend-charles-coronation/

Not falling for this frankly, the wording is so odd that makes me think this pure projecting from the royal reporters part.
Moreover there's not a single thing reporters have gotten right in the last few months, I'd be so surprised if this turns out to be true.

 

[Hans-Rickard]

Internally screaming.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...rs-in-her-hair-to-king-s-coronation-pwnts3brm


Also, it seems there'll be two receptions. One for the commonwealth leaders in the morning, then another in the evening for foreign heads of state.



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-f...lty-guest-list-who-attend-charles-coronation/

I doubt the newspapers knows more about the dresscode than we do…

It was the same journalists that almost triumphantly wrote that the Coronation would take 1 hour at Most and have almost everything from the previous coronation scrapped or heavily scaled back (it will take 2 hours and we know now that it will be a much grander affair than what’s been reported all the time)

 

[VictoriaB]

I doubt the newspapers knows more about the dresscode than we do…

It was the same journalists that almost triumphantly wrote that the Coronation would take 1 hour at Most and have almost everything from the previous coronation scrapped or heavily scaled back (it will take 2 hours and we know now that it will be a much grander affair than what’s been reported all the time)

Agree. There have been so many reports about what is going to happen that have been proved untrue (and I admit i was taken in by Rev Richard Coles’ April Fool) I will believe
what is announced by the Royal Family or the Government.

 

[Stefan]

Information about the Throne Chairs and Chairs of Estate have been released.


They are reusing those of Queen Elizabeth II. and Prince Philip and from King George VI. and Queen Elizabeth
And 100 special chairs for the congregation have been made. Wonder who will get to be seated on them

https://www.facebook.com/majestymagazine/posts/pfbid02sm7sgA1bFXxfoNWm1kqPGYu6RiNRiqUtz4ouCy2VgW65w6G9zdTDZp7qb3LNFZ8nl

 

[Stefan]

The Lyon Court tweeted an image of the Stone of Scone inside the coronation chair. Behind it, there's also a hint of the work that's being done in the Abbey. It looks like the floor of the south transept has been raised up to the same level as the area where the thrones will go (that area can be seen in its early stages here). The floor is blue, but I think it's too far away to see if that's carpeting or some kind of protective covering.

Wonder if that is the part of the original floor or part of the special built coronation Theatre. They will have to cover that somwhow

 

[wbenson]

From the chair news, a detail I hadn't seen reported before was that the Queen will be crowned while she sits in her chair of estate, rather than with her kneeling on a stool.