Charles III: Coronation Information and Musings - Part 1

[Durham]

I hope they don’t water it down too much. It’s a coronation. Lounge suits and ordinary hats like some sort of 1950s church fete won’t really cut it.

I agree. Lots of opportunities to wear hats at weddings, Ascot etc. But a coronation is about as significant as it gets in the monarchy.

 

[Denville]

Cut it down, i say. I hope it wont be too big an affair

 

[Durham]

It won't be compared to any coronation since William iv.

 

[Mbruno]

I agree. Lots of opportunities to wear hats at weddings, Ascot etc. But a coronation is about as significant as it gets in the monarchy.

I think tiaras will be worn, but I was pointing out that an acceptable alternative could be the dress code at the Dutch inauguration, which was also used at the Japanese enthronement, i.e., long dress with orders and hats for the ladies, and military uniform or white tie with orders for men.

Having the British and foreign royals in white tie (or uniform) and MPs in morning dress will look strange, but that is again what happened at the Dutch inauguration. At the Japanese enthronement, I believe all men were in white tie (including the members of the Japanese cabinet), which looked like a better fit.

 

[Toledo]

6,000 invites cut down of the celebration? Okay, I can live with that, but I still wanted KCIII to keep the gold ingots moment.


Humor aside, any news or mentions if there would be some sort of lottery for people in the UK to have a chance for an invitation or a seat in any part of the event? I believe is done in the USA but might be related to charity groups getting seats at President/Governors Inaugurations.

 

[Stefan]

I think tiaras will be worn, but I was pointing out that an acceptable alternative could be the dress code at the Dutch inauguration, which was also used at the Japanese enthronement, i.e., long dress with orders and hats for the ladies, and military uniform or white tie with orders for men.

Having the British and foreign royals in white tie (or uniform) and MPs in morning dress will look strange, but that is again what happened at the Dutch inauguration. At the Japanese enthronement, I believe all men were in white tie (including the members of the Japanese cabinet), which looked like a better fit.

In Japan we then got tiaras and Orders at the Gala Dinner in the evening and in in the Netherlands at the farwell Dinner of Queen Beatrix the evening before (altough the dresscodewas blacjk tie)

 

[Somebody]

I think tiaras will be worn, but I was pointing out that an acceptable alternative could be the dress code at the Dutch inauguration, which was also used at the Japanese enthronement, i.e., long dress with orders and hats for the ladies, and military uniform or white tie with orders for men.

Having the British and foreign royals in white tie (or uniform) and MPs in morning dress will look strange, but that is again what happened at the Dutch inauguration. At the Japanese enthronement, I believe all men were in white tie (including the members of the Japanese cabinet), which looked like a better fit.

The Dutch inauguration dresscode was the same as the dress code for Prinsjesdag. Which make sense as both the inauguration and the king's speech at Prinsjesdag are official meetings of the joined chambers of parliament (called: the United Assembly of the States General - in Dutch: De Verenigde Vergadering van de Staten-Generaal).

So, the analogy would be for the attendees to wear the same type of dresses they would normally wear to the Opening of Parliament. However, as this will not be an inauguration in a parliamentary meeting but a crowning in a religious meeting - a different dress code may apply.

 

[CyrilVladisla]

I would like to see the 1937 route used and 40,000 schoolchildren waiting at the Victoria Embankment.

 

[Denville]

I would like to see the 1937 route used and 40,000 schoolchildren waiting at the Victoria Embankment.

what on earth for? Children would pretty certianly get bored standing around all that time.. no point in it whatsoever.

 

[Denville]

6,000 invites cut down of the celebration? Okay, I can live with that, but I still wanted KCIII to keep the gold ingots moment.


Humor aside, any news or mentions if there would be some sort of lottery for people in the UK to have a chance for an invitation or a seat in any part of the event? I believe is done in the USA but might be related to charity groups getting seats at President/Governors Inaugurations.

I doubt it, possibly some charities might be invited, rather than just all peers and the great and the good but I can't see them being able to cope with security for randomly selected people. Too dangerous.

 

[An Ard Ri]

That seems to suggest that the BRF prefers a coronation somewhere between May and September (because of the weather I assume).

Yes the weather ,but that's not always a guarantee .It poured with rain on June 2nd June 1953!

 

[wartenberg7]

what is soul less about a republic?

Virtually everything. Interchangeable grey coloured bureaucrats doing boring stuff. No traditions, no representation of ones country´s identity. You can take it from me - I live in such a dull country - and dread it!

 

[wartenberg7]

what on earth for? Children would pretty certianly get bored standing around all that time.. no point in it whatsoever.

Never heard in any of the many documentaries about the coronation in 1953 that anyone of these then children felt boredom...! On the contrary they were super excited and thrilled to watch everything happening around them and many claimed it was a day they could never forget.
But, if it is true what some said, that this next coronation will be lacking some of what was essential for hundreds of years, I doubt it will stay in everyone´s mind for a lifelong period...

 

[wartenberg7]

I would prefer that the Gold Coach carry The King but if that doesn't happen then transporting the crown(s) might be the best alternative. At least it would then have a role & be seen.

I don´t see why the Golden State coach would not be used?! They even brought it out for this year´s jubilee.

 

[wartenberg7]

I think i read somewhere that the Crown jewels are brought to the Abeby the day before the Coronation and keept there in some special place.

Exactly. That´s an ancient custom, too!

 

[Denville]

Virtually everything. Interchangeable grey coloured bureaucrats doing boring stuff. No traditions, no representation of ones country´s identity. You can take it from me - I live in such a dull country - and dread it!

Seems a bit odd to stigmatise all republics, I wouldn't say the USA is a dull Soviet block grey country, with no traditions.

 

[Denville]

Never heard in any of the many documentaries about the coronation in 1953 that anyone of these then children felt boredom...! On the contrary they were super excited and thrilled to watch everything happening around them and many claimed it was a day they could never forget.
But, if it is true what some said, that this next coronation will be lacking some of what was essential for hundreds of years, I doubt it will stay in everyone´s mind for a lifelong period...

That was a long time ago, and their memories are probably hazy. Besides, after years of war and poverty and horror, at a time when there wasn't much entertainment, a day out was a day out, and was probably more welcomed than it would be now.

 

[wartenberg7]

Seems a bit odd to stigmatise all republics, I wouldn't say the USA is a dull Soviet block grey country, with no traditions.

Well, it is no coincidence I regard a Monarchy the best form of government. Claiming it, I´m feeling it very strongly. There is no place in my heart for republics at all...

 

[wartenberg7]

That was a long time ago, and their memories are probably hazy. Besides, after years of war and poverty and horror, at a time when there wasn't much entertainment, a day out was a day out, and was probably more welcomed than it would be now.

So...?! That means children of today must automatically be bored?!

 

[tihkon2]

I guess you mean 6.000


What i wonder.We know that in 1953 about 7000 people attenmded but what about the Coronation in 1902, 1911 and 1937

Yes. That was the joke. The poster was showing how weirdly that newspaper article stated the numbers.

 

[FigTree]

That was a long time ago, and their memories are probably hazy. Besides, after years of war and poverty and horror, at a time when there wasn't much entertainment, a day out was a day out, and was probably more welcomed than it would be now.

Given it’s likely to be a holiday and schools wouldn’t take responsibility for the children on such an occasion. Also given they are likely to have coronation parties at their schools…so long as it’s not August. I think in modern times it’s highly unlikely to happen. Security considerations alone would be enough for parents to say no.

 

[Sister Morphine]

Seems a bit odd to stigmatise all republics, I wouldn't say the USA is a dull Soviet block grey country, with no traditions.

It isn't. There's nothing soulless about not having a monarchy. Many great countries in this world don't have one, and they're doing just fine.

So...?! That means children of today must automatically be bored?!

You're not going to get 40,000 schoolkids to stand around for hours without their iPhones. Sorry. I'm a 40-year-old grown woman, and I'D be bored standing around for hours. Imagine how much worse it would be for a kid.

The kids can stay home and watch it on TV.

 

[Mirabel]

I really hope they don't dispense with all the pomp and pageantry.
Though I do agree a four-hour ceremony is excessive.
Perhaps a compromise is called for?

 

[Denville]

Given it’s likely to be a holiday and schools wouldn’t take responsibility for the children on such an occasion. Also given they are likely to have coronation parties at their schools…so long as it’s not August. I think in modern times it’s highly unlikely to happen. Security considerations alone would be enough for parents to say no.

well exactly. Seems a strange idea to me.

 

[Denville]

I really hope they don't dispense with all the pomp and pageantry.
Though I do agree a four-hour ceremony is excessive.
Perhaps a compromise is called for?

4 hours is hardly a lot.

 

[Denville]

Well, it is no coincidence I regard a Monarchy the best form of government. Claiming it, I´m feeling it very strongly. There is no place in my heart for republics at all...

I take it you mean constutiional monarchies.

 

[Denville]

So...?! That means children of today must automatically be bored?!

Yeah they are bored a lot of the time. They are used to constant stimulation from their phones and tablets. In 1953, there was no TV hardly, just radio and films as entertianment, or the odd football match. A day out standing in teh rain watching for a coach would probalby rate as more fun than it will do today, but even so the odds are that the kids back then were bored too....

 

[suztav]

Why the argument about how bored people would be waiting in line when we all just witnessed entire families -- mothers, fathers, and children -- waiting in line 24 hours to pass a coffin.

Really? This conversation needs to move on ...

 

[duchessrachel]

I am an American and certainly am not affected in any financial or national way by the coronation, and what I want does not matter. What matters is what the people in the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth want. But, as a royal watcher and admirer of the British Royal Family, a very slimmed down and more casual Coronation is seriously going to disappoint me. This is a once in a lifetime event, and although I imagine some slimming down will be done, I sincerely hope it won't be much. I want pomp and circumstance!!! (stomps feet ) I want a golden coach, fancy robes, tiaras, fancy dresses, pledging fealty to the King, etc, etc, etc. I want all the pomp and circumstance that Britain does best. I just love British tradition. For those of you who are citizens or the United Kingdom and the Commonwealth, how do you think the general population of the UK and Commonwealth feel about it? I am wondering if this has been leaked to the Daily Mail to get a pulse from the people on how they feel about how the Coronation should be? I just can't imagine the Daily Mail would be the first to get this information and not the Telegraph.

 

[FigTree]

Why the argument about how bored people would be waiting in line when we all just witnessed entire families -- mothers, fathers, and children -- waiting in line 24 hours to pass a coffin.

Really? This conversation needs to move on ...

It isn’t about that, it’s about the logistics of it. Today it just wouldn’t happen, schools are not run like in 1937 - corporate and business like, there is no way they would either get children in on a bank holiday or risk the health and safety nightmare this would be…not to mention expense.