Charles III: Coronation Information and Musings - Part 1


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wartenberg7 said:
What do you mean? There was no coronation in Greece so they could not challenge any custom...?
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They apparently wanted to go to the coronation in London, but weren't invited because of them being monarchs. That's the custom that they unsuccessfully challenged.
 
SirGyamfi1 said:
I don’t think the coronation numbers of the nobility will reduce because of the fact that nobles are no longer politically prominent previously. The peers who weren’t politically active still went to coronations
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In accordance with the post-1999 situation, I think it makes sense to invite only peers that are actual members of the House of Lords (and, therefore, part of "official Britain").
 
JR76 said:
They apparently wanted to go to the coronation in London, but weren't invited because of them being monarchs. That's the custom that they unsuccessfully challenged.
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Still I don´t get, if that was really the case, what the then Queen od Sweden should had to do with this..
 
Gawin said:
Queen Louise wanted to attend Queen Elizabeth's coronation but couldn't because her husband was a sovereign.

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Queen Louise of Sweden was born a HSH Princess Louise of Battenberg, aunt of HRH Prince Philip, The Duke of Edinburgh. In 1917, when the royal family lost their German titles, she was made Lady Louise Mountbatten. I presume, she wanted to attend the coronation of her nephew’s wife, not to mention she was also an offshoot of the British royal family.
 
Count langley said:
Queen Louise of Sweden was born a HSH Princess Louise of Battenberg, aunt of HRH Prince Philip, The Duke of Edinburgh. In 1917, when the royal family lost their German titles, she was made Lady Louise Mountbatten. I presume, she wanted to attend the coronation of her nephew’s wife, not to mention she was also an offshoot of the British royal family.
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While all of that is true, it doesn't matter. The sovereign being crowned must (or should be) the only king or queen in the Abbey, aside from the sovereign's spouse. That's how it always was until QEII's coronation when both Queen Mary and the Queen Mother attended. Since there are no living dowager queens consort, that won't be an issue for Charles. The only queen who will be present is Camilla.
 
Gawin said:
In his book about Queen Elizabeth's coronation, Hugo Vickers writes: "royal guests who were heads of their countries could be invited as long as they came from British colonies." This included Queen Salote and the Sultans of Zanzibar, Johore, Selangor, Kelantan, Perak, Brunei, and Lahej.

King Paul and Queen Frederika of Greece unsuccessfully challenged the custom of not inviting fellow sovereigns and Prince Philip's aunt Queen Louise of Sweden was furious she couldn't attend.

Source: Hugo Vickers, Coronation (2013), pp. 63-64.
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Thank you for that, I have often wondered why Queen Salote was there. As for King Paul, Queen Frederika and Queen Louise, I know they were family but they must have known the custom. It isn't just the custom in the UK, no fellow monarchs attended the inauguration of King Willem Alexander or Queen Beatrix. Or even Queen Louise's husband for that matter.
 
Sister Morphine said:
While all of that is true, it doesn't matter. The sovereign being crowned must (or should be) the only king or queen in the Abbey, aside from the sovereign's spouse. That's how it always was until QEII's coronation when both Queen Mary and the Queen Mother attended. Since there are no living dowager queens consort, that won't be an issue for Charles. The only queen who will be present is Camilla.
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I think you meant to say Queen Mary broke with tradition when she attended George VI's coronation. She died a few months before Elizabeth's.

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Sister Morphine said:
While all of that is true, it doesn't matter. The sovereign being crowned must (or should be) the only king or queen in the Abbey, aside from the sovereign's spouse. That's how it always was until QEII's coronation when both Queen Mary and the Queen Mother attended. Since there are no living dowager queens consort, that won't be an issue for Charles. The only queen who will be present is Camilla.
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Queen Mary didn't attend Queen Elizabeth's coronation as she died three months before it took place. She did attend the coronation of her son, George VI, although that was a break with tradition. Normally Queen Mothers didn't attend the coronation of their children, but Mary attended to give support to George who was terrified of the whole thing, especially having to take the oath with his stammer. When it came to Queen Elizabeth's coronation, her mother attended because she thought that if her mother in law ccould do it, so could she. Incidentally, Queen Mata'aho, the late Queen Mother of Tonga, attended the coronations of two of her sons.
 
Iain said:
Thank you for that, I have often wondered why Queen Salote was there. As for King Paul, Queen Frederika and Queen Louise, I know they were family but they must have known the custom. It isn't just the custom in the UK, no fellow monarchs attended the inauguration of King Willem Alexander or Queen Beatrix. Or even Queen Louise's husband for that matter.
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Sovereign Prince Albert of Monaco attended King Willem-Alexander's inauguration. And both the emir of Qatar and the king of Morocco sent their wives (although not 'majesties').
 
Iain said:
Queen Mary didn't attend Queen Elizabeth's coronation as she died three months before it took place. She did attend the coronation of her son, George VI, although that was a break with tradition. Normally Queen Mothers didn't attend the coronation of their children, but Mary attended to give support to George who was terrified of the whole thing, especially having to take the oath with his stammer. When it came to Queen Elizabeth's coronation, her mother attended because she thought that if her mother in law ccould do it, so could she. Incidentally, Queen Mata'aho, the late Queen Mother of Tonga, attended the coronations of two of her sons.
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I can see George VI wanting her support.

I thought a larger reason was the abdication mess in general- ie- she’d have wanted to support any one of her sons given the circumstances.
 
Sister Morphine said:
While all of that is true, it doesn't matter. The sovereign being crowned must (or should be) the only king or queen in the Abbey, aside from the sovereign's spouse. That's how it always was until QEII's coronation when both Queen Mary and the Queen Mother attended. Since there are no living dowager queens consort, that won't be an issue for Charles. The only queen who will be present is Camilla.
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Queen Mary didn't attend QEII's coronation. She died in March 1953. One of the last things she said was that she didn't want the death of a Queen Consort to mar the coronation of a full Queen Regnant. Normally full court mourning for a Queen Consort would have been six months so everyone should have been wearing black or white.
 
Didn't Queen Maud also attend George VI's coronation as well (in this case she's a very close family member though, being the aunt of the new king).
 
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Sister Morphine said:
While all of that is true, it doesn't matter. The sovereign being crowned must (or should be) the only king or queen in the Abbey, aside from the sovereign's spouse. That's how it always was until QEII's coronation when both Queen Mary and the Queen Mother attended. Since there are no living dowager queens consort, that won't be an issue for Charles. The only queen who will be present is Camilla.
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In 1937 Queen Maud of Notrway also attended. But then she was also a british Princess. Not sure if she also attended to coronation of her brother in 1911.
 
This is still speculation.

We don't know who will be invited other than the safe guesses of William and Catherine, Edward and Sophie and Anne and Tim.

We simply have no information about when, what will be changed, how long it will be, who will be invited, what the dress code will be etc etc.

The media is simply speculating.

Until BP actually tells us something all we know is that The Duke of Norfolk will be in charge of the plans.
 
Blog Real said:
I'm very curious to see Charles III's coronation. When will the coronation date be announced?
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I suspect towards the end of the year or early in the new year.
 
Sometime later this year or early next year I would assume.

It hasn't been a month since the late Queen died and normally the coronation is at least a year after the death of the previous monarch. Normally as well the date for the coronation wouldn't be announced until at least six months after the death of the previous monarch.

Of course that was when the public actually observed decency and didn't expect the BRF to comfort them when the royal died while trying to grieve for their parent or grandparent. Note that QEII hardly did any engagements in the month after her father died (and nor did anyone else) while the King and other royals have been expected to be meeting and greeting total strangers and be on full view in front of the public.

King Charles is close to 100 engagements since his mother died. In the same period the late Queen did about 30 and NONE of them in public - even the funeral was a largely private event as it wasn't televised and she didn't walk behind the coffin but drove in a car with darkened windows.
 
Somebody said:
Sovereign Prince Albert of Monaco attended King Willem-Alexander's inauguration. And both the emir of Qatar and the king of Morocco sent their wives (although not 'majesties').
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I wonder if Prince Albert went because at the time he had no heir.
 
Iain said:
I wonder if Prince Albert went because at the time he had no heir.
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He could well have sent Caroline, who has deputised for him from time to time.

My broader point is that these things matter a little less these days. I would not be surprised if either Sophia / Letizia or Beatrix / Maxima represented Spain and the Netherlands respectively.
 
Oh how interesting to chose the day after the anniversary of his mothers coronation AND to make it on a Saturday. My guess is the King, and government, don't want to upset the economy with an extra bank holiday. I expect them to move forward the late Spring bank holiday then to that Friday for a three day weekend.
 
I think we have been expected for this date, it remains to be confirmed by the Palace.
 
Saragli said:
Oh how interesting to chose the day after the anniversary of his mothers coronation AND to make it on a Saturday. My guess is the King, and government, don't want to upset the economy with an extra bank holiday. I expect them to move forward the late Spring bank holiday then to that Friday for a three day weekend.
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I do not think the bank holiday will be moved, the Coronation just take place on Saturday without any other disruption.
 
what about Charles' birthday? Will that become a bank holiday or will we retain the holiday for the queen's birthday in the summer
 
Denville said:
what about Charles' birthday? Will that become a bank holiday or will we retain the holiday for the queen's birthday in the summer
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It would make more sense, given the weather in June vs. November, to keep the sovereign's official birthday for the summer. Otherwise, Trooping the Color won't be nearly as nice.
 
Denville said:
what about Charles' birthday? Will that become a bank holiday or will we retain the holiday for the queen's birthday in the summer
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We do not have a holiday for the birthday of the monarc.h. Trooping of the Colour, which marks the official birthday of the monarch, takes place in June.

It is not known what the plans for the Trooping are, but I can see the 2nd Saturday in June being retained. Perhaps no Trooping next year as it will be so close to the rumoured date of the coronation.
 
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