Marius Borg Høiby News & Current Events Part 1: December 2023 -


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Prinsara said:
Can’t do that if you can’t find an unbiased jury, can you?
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A jury is, I believe, a very UK-US type of thing. The Netherlands does not have a jury-system, but use the judges themselves. I do not know what the system is in Norway.

Edit: I found my answer in a further comment.
 
Nettavisen writes about arrest at the cabin:
In a decision from the District Court, the police received the court's approval to search Marius, but Nettavisen has been refused access to this by the Oslo District Court. In the refusal, it also appears that they have not dealt with the issue of arrest and that the prosecution has decided this itself.
At the same time, they confirm that a request for a search has been processed, without writing anything in the rejection letter about what they concluded. The refusal also states that the police believe the investigation could suffer if the decision is made public. This is what district court judge Einar Aas writes in the refusal of access.
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At Se og Hør
Marius' house gives him the opportunity to be by himself while being close to his family. Se og Hør knows that he has recently demolished the house and also on several occasions caused damage at Skaugum, which both the CP couple and the guards have known about. With recent revelations, as far as Se og Hør knows, security measures have been taken around Skaugum, and Marius' access to the property is said to have been restricted.
The CP couple must have had good reasons for having Marius living close to them. They can have control over him when he lives in Skaugum. While he lived in Oslo, there was wild partying and no control.
Sources tell that the CP couple have known about both the cocaine abuse and the violent behavior for a long time. In Marit-Marit's close circle people think that she has been naive in relation to her son and believed his explanations.
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Program host Fredrik Solvang wants to have Mette-Marit and/or Haakon to his program "Debatten" to discuss the ongoing case.
- Right now it would be fine if the crown prince couple came. We have a lot to talk about. I think the crown princess, the crown prince or both can come. Everything that has happened around Marius and the family, of course we should have them as guests to talk about it.
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Fredrik Solvang vil ta opp den pågående saken rundt Marius Borg Høiby i «Debatten».
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:previous:There is so much to digest. So the adorable red house on the grounds of Skaugum is demolished, as in no longer there in the state we see it in, in the pictures? If so where has Marius been living? And, why not new aerial photos showing us the demolished house. I initially took the reports to mean that the inside of the red house was damaged i.e. "demolished", not the entire structure of the house. As for Skaugum, it has been damaged by Maurius and his friends with theft of silver removed with attempts to be sold. I do understand how a gas card could be stolen and not detected right away. My father owned a business where he lent me one of the gas cards while I was at university. The card is paid monthly along with other operational costs. It most likely wasn't detected until it came up for renewal and was then scrutinized.

There are so many facets to Marius's sociopathic behaviors it boggles the mind. I do feel some compassion for Haakon, perhaps less so for Mette-Marit. Trying to rein in a drug addicted criminal like Marius is near impossible without committing him to a psychiatric facility or prison long term. I can see why Haakon and Mette-Marit are not commenting more than they have currently, "it is very serious". They are doing the right thing by keeping their mouths' shut and letting law enforcement and the justice system play out. I will say... what was Mette-Marit thinking taking Marius shopping. :oops:
 
Lady Daly said:
:previous:There is so much to digest. So the adorable red house on the grounds of Skaugum is demolished, as in no longer there in the state we see it in, in the pictures? If so where has Marius been living? And, why not new aerial photos showing us the demolished house. I initially took the reports to mean that the inside of the red house was damaged i.e. "demolished", not the entire structure of the house. As for Skaugum, it has been damaged by Maurius and his friends with theft of silver removed with attempts to be sold. I do understand how a gas card could be stolen and not detected right away. My father owned a business where he lent me one of the gas cards while I was at university. The card is paid monthly along with other operational costs. It most likely wasn't detected until it came up for renewal and was then scrutinized.

There are so many facets to Marius's sociopathic behaviors it boggles the mind. I do feel some compassion for Haakon, perhaps less so for Mette-Marit. Trying to rein in a drug addicted criminal like Marius is near impossible without committing him to a psychiatric facility or prison long term. I can see why Haakon and Mette-Marit are not commenting more than they have currently, "it is very serious". They are doing the right thing by keeping their mouths' shut and letting law enforcement and the justice system play out. I will say... what was Mette-Marit thinking taking Marius shopping. :oops:
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Thrashed is a more apt translation. The house is still standing but the interior has been thrashed by Marius at least once.
 
hereditarytitles said:
I am cynical, but that's probably why MM and her son went shopping in a furniture store.
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At least the press is going with the benign (or sympathetic) interpretation. also proposed by some TRF members here, that Haakon and MM let Marius live in the Skaugum estate so that they could better "control him".

Maybe it is true that his behavior would be even more problematic (and dangerous to himself and others) if Marius lived alone in Oslo, but "controlling him" at Skaugum didn't quite work, did it? And, furthermore, by keeping him in the estate, the CP couple indirectly allowed possible criminal activities to take place inside a royal residence guarded by the Norwegian armed forces and police, which is quite serious at a state level.
 
Mbruno said:
At least the press is going with the benign (or sympathetic) interpretation. also proposed by some TRF members here, that Haakon and MM let Marius live in the Skaugum estate so that they could better "control him".

Maybe it is true that his behavior would be even more problematic (and dangerous to himself and others) if Marius lived alone in Oslo, but "controlling him" at Skaugum didn't quite work, did it? And, furthermore, by keeping him in the estate, the CP couple indirectly allowed possible criminal activities to take place inside a royal residence guarded by the Norwegian armed forces and police, which is quite serious at a state level.
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I think that having more control over him was the reason why they let him stay in the pretty house on their estate. But, you are right it didn't work, which means that he is indeed "unctrollable". What I really cannot understand is the fact that the guardians of the estate, armed forces and police, didn't intervene a long time ago because his parents were helpless and unable to manage Marius. It will be very interesting to learn how such a situation could have been covered up by official personnel who are being paid by the state. The question remains if it will come to the surface at all .
 
hereditarytitles said:
I think that having more control over him was the reason why they let him stay in the pretty house on their estate. But, you are right it didn't work, which means that he is indeed "unctrollable". What I really cannot understand is the fact that the guardians of the estate, armed forces and police, didn't intervene a long time ago because his parents were helpless and unable to manage Marius. It will be very interesting to learn how such a situation could have been covered up by official personnel who are being paid by the state. The question remains if it will come to the surface at all .
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I think their aim may have been to contain the behaviour, rather than control it. If these reports are true, it would have become apparent quite quickly that Marius was out of control, at least some of the time. Haakon and Mette Marit may have decided it was better to have him out of control within the estate than out in public. By keeping him close they may have been trying to avoid situations like the one we’ve seen recently; Marius going on a rampage in his own space on their property is preferable to him assaulting his girlfriend and trashing her apartment. Clearly, that strategy isn’t working now, but it may have kept a lid on his behaviour for some time.

Which is all to say, as horrible as things are now, we don’t know how much worse they could have been if Marius’s parents had left him to his own devices and not tried to provide some level of protection.
 
LadyFinn said:
Nettavisen's royal expert Tove Taalesen's column, she writes among other things:
Let's hope little sister no longer looks up to big brother. If he is a dangerous role model, it can have major consequences. Especially for IA. It will be very difficult, if not impossible, to become Queen if you allow yourself to be influenced to not comply with Norwegian laws and regulations.
Marius is a privileged man with all the possibilities, but has chosen to give up in whatever role he has. (..)

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Norwegian's ( included me), are sick of Taalesen now. She need to stop. All she wants is stay relevant, by writing incredibly stupid things!
 
One of the reasons why Marius is out of control is because he is allowed to.
There are no consequences, probably never were.

If he thrashed his homes out in the real world, he'd soon be homeless. And perhaps that's what it takes. He'll soon run out of couches to crash on, and then he's on the street.

He's 27. If he need psychiatric care, then he needs to be committed, and that should be possible. Especially for the NRF. By force if need be.
If he on the other hand is an immature, entitled little piece of... I mean personage, who has never really been told no and never felt any real consequences then kick him out and let him fend for himself.
Mette Marit and Haakon can't shelter him for the rest of his life - in Mette Marit's case literally! Nor should they.

If he crashes, so be it. He may be able to climb back again and learn something on the way. He is already well on his way on a self-destructive path and if he doesn't get either a serious reality check or is committed by force, he's likely to end up in prison for many years, getting himself killed in an accident, die from an overdose or getting himself killed by someone else.

If he is getting totally out of control, that means he is getting dangerous and typically those you direct your anger towards are those closest to you - among other because they will tend to forgive you.
The gun Marius was photographed posing with that wasn't a prop-gun, that was the real thing. I'm now sure of that. I mean, come on, a tough gangster like Marius isn't going to pose with a prop-gun. That wouldn't fit his self-image.

And the argument about keeping hims at Skaugum to keep some control over him. I don't buy that.
They kept him at Skaugum in order for him not to embarrass the NRF and in an attempt to keep a lid on this.
If they wanted to keep him under control, why didn't they prevent his criminal friends from going there? Why didn't they tell the police officers on duty at Skaugum to subdue Marius whenever he felt like smashing up the place? Or a private security company? Why didn't they get him committed by force? A man who is smashing up his home in a fit of uncontrollable rage is obviously having a psychotic episode of some sort.
No, IMO, Mette Marit and Haakon did what they always do: nothing. Burying their heads in the sand and hoped it would pass. Well, it didn't and it won't.

I think it's now about time the Norwegian government (and by extension the Parliament) steps in and basically tell the NRF to fix this and provide help and guidelines to how that could be done - or ditch Marius altogether.

If Mette Marit for example can't accept that, she can move in with Marius somewhere, preferably an island far away from Oslo.
 
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The cocktail of drugs that Marius had in his blood can have major consequences.
Senior doctor Jelena Staalstrøm at the drug reception and detoxification at Oslo University Hospital says that it can be risky to mix narcotic substances.
- It can affect both circulation and respiration. It can cause major health damage. Some drugs can be deadly to mix.
She says also that many people don't have enough knowledge about the effects of mixing drugs, but that people try anyway. You have a certain expectation of what kind of effect you hope it will produce, and many tests to see what they achieve.
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They should have just let him hit rock bottom sooner, if they couldn’t manage the situation, to facilitate treatment or correction. Followed up by a swift statement expressing sadness and disappointment would make anyone, even those with a heart of stone very sympathetic. It’s hard to let your children fall, but if that’s what it, then I’m afraid there’s not much choice.
 
Muhler said:
One of the reasons why Marius is out of control is because he is allowed to.
There are no consequences, probably never were.

If he thrashed his homes out in the real world, he'd soon be homeless. And perhaps that's what it takes. He'll soon run out of couches to crash on, and then he's on the street.

He's 27. If he need psychiatric care, then he needs to be committed, and that should be possible. Especially for the NRF. By force if need be.
If he on the other hand is an immature, entitled little piece of... I mean personage, who has never really been told no and never felt any real consequences then kick him out and let him fend for himself.
Mette Marit and Haakon can't shelter him for the rest of his life - in Mette Marit's case literally! Nor should they.

If he crashes, so be it. He may be able to climb back again and learn something on the way. He is already well on his way on a self-destructive path and if he doesn't get either a serious reality check or is committed by force, he's likely to end up in prison for many years, getting himself killed in an accident, die from an overdose or getting himself killed by someone else.

If he is getting totally out of control, that means he is getting dangerous and typically those you direct your anger towards are those closest to you - among other because they will tend to forgive you.
The gun Marius was photographed posing with that wasn't a prop-gun, that was the real thing. I'm now sure of that. I mean, come on, a tough gangster like Marius isn't going to pose with a prop-gun. That wouldn't fit his self-image.

And the argument about keeping hims at Skaugum to keep some control over him. I don't buy that.
They kept him at Skaugum in order for him not to embarrass the NRF and in an attempt to keep a lid on this.
If they wanted to keep him under control, why didn't they prevent his criminal friends from going there? Why didn't they tell the police officers on duty at Skaugum to subdue Marius whenever he felt like smashing up the place? Or a private security company? Why didn't they get him committed by force? A man who is smashing up his home in a fit of uncontrollable rage is obviously having a psychotic episode of some sort.
No, IMO, Mette Marit and Haakon did what they always do: nothing. Burying their heads in the sand and hoped it would pass. Well, it didn't and it won't.

I think it's now about time the Norwegian government (and by extension the Parliament) steps in and basically tell the NRF to fix this and provide help and guidelines to how that could be done - or ditch Marius altogether.

If Mette Marit for example can't accept that, she can move in with Marius somewhere, preferably an island far away from Oslo.
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You are so right Muhler in so many points, sadly to say. As a woman with children, one of which is also a bit difficult (but by no means so as Marius) I always try to imagine to be in their shoes. Maybe that is the reason why I always try to understand their reactions. But you are probably right in the assumption, that they kept him at Skaugum to not to embarass the NRF. They simply didn't care enough to prevent his criminal friends from going there. And that again, puts the question to me: Why did they not give orders or instructions to the police officers on duty at Skaugum to simply not let any shady people enter their estate?
I totally agree about it's time that the Government and Parliament steps in. Are there any reactions so far?
That is something very strange to me, as this affair has been going on for so long now.
 
Sure, they had him at Skaugum to "control" him, certainly not to enable him and keep giving him all the entitlement he has grown use to. That's why they let him have free range to a diplomatic passport, and a little Italian holiday just recently. To control him.
He does damage to royal property, almost takes out a guard, and the Crown Prince Couple do nothing?? Does Haakon have blinders on? This is a college educated man with the best resources at his disposal. They "work" with all kinds of organizations that help the vulnerable, etc. and he couldn't check his notes on what to do?
It seems clear they were just hiding everything to keep up their perfect united family PR image. More afraid of some criticism then actually doing anything. The entitlement is not only with Marius.
 
hereditarytitles said:
You are so right Muhler in so many points, sadly to say. As a woman with children, one of which is also a bit difficult (but by no means so as Marius) I always try to imagine to be in their shoes. Maybe that is the reason why I always try to understand their reactions. But you are probably right in the assumption, that they kept him at Skaugum to not to embarass the NRF. They simply didn't care enough to prevent his criminal friends from going there. And that again, puts the question to me: Why did they not give orders or instructions to the police officers on duty at Skaugum to simply not let any shady people enter their estate?
I totally agree about it's time that the Government and Parliament steps in. Are there any reactions so far?
That is something very strange to me, as this affair has been going on for so long now.
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As far as I can tell the silence from practically all Norwegian politicians worth mentioning is deafening.
Noticeably silent in fact.

The government probably wont say a word unless forced to do so, because the current PM is friend of Haakon and MM and he has been PM for a few years. I.e. most of the worst things that appears to have happened in regards to Marius most have happened on his watch.
Normally one of the duties of a PM in any monarchy is to protect the royal family, also from themselves. And I suspect the PM were among the friends who tried to warn Haakon and MM about Marius. But certainly MM wasn't listening, or more likely went into denial. And as I also suspect MM of wearing the pants in that family, Haakon closed his ears as well.
Whatever. One thing is certain, as more and more is unveiled and there seems to have been a pretty wide cover up, or perhaps rather a general agreement of everybody closing their eyes to Marius, it will at some point be difficult for the government to come up with an answer to this question: If you knew about Marius, why didn't you do anything?
And that's a question the previous government will also have to face, because I very much doubt that Marius decided to go full gangsta the day after the last general election.
So right now you simply cannot find a sandbox anywhere near Oslo without anyone having buried their head in it.

It's so tribal. Tribal pride dictates that you present the best possible image to everybody else and if there are any problems, they are swept under the carpet and everybody pretends there is no bump in the carpet. But of course at some point the idyllic image cracks. And that's what's happening in Norway right now, and in particular over the next months.
It will in the end be a benefit I think, overall. Because the Norwegian establishment, and the Norwegians themselves perhaps, will come out of this more critical in regards to how things are presented - and as such become more proactive in regards to future problems.
But it hurts!! This seriously hurts the tribal pride.
 
Chimene said:
They should have just let him hit rock bottom sooner, if they couldn’t manage the situation, to facilitate treatment or correction. Followed up by a swift statement expressing sadness and disappointment would make anyone, even those with a heart of stone very sympathetic. It’s hard to let your children fall, but if that’s what it, then I’m afraid there’s not much choice.
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MM before her marriage made a full confession of her past , she held nothing back . This was well received . For me this makes it even more troubling ,, her covering up / enabling of Marius behaviour . She and Haakon now have to take responsibility for this . They are responsible , end of discussion , they have pandered to him , glossed over his behaviour , enabled him to abuse drink / drug's , his partners . I can find no excuse for their behaviour . Poor baby Marius , MM and Haakon are due a dose of reality .
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fabaunty said:
MM before her marriage made a full confession of her past , she held nothing back . This was well received . For me this makes it even more troubling ,, her covering up / enabling of Marius behaviour . She and Haakon now have to take responsibility for this . They are responsible , end of discussion , they have pandered to him , glossed over his behaviour , enabled him to abuse drink / drug's , his partners . I can find no excuse for their behaviour . Poor baby Marius , MM and Haakon are due a dose of reality .
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In all fairness, we don't know what their behavior has been, since they've made no public comments, and no one has reported anything "behind the scenes," either now or over the years.

If I were advising them, I'd urge them to avoid taking any responsibility. They'll be tainted by Marius forever if they do. If they stay silent, at least they won't say anything that comes back to bite them.
 
Just noticed that Marius made his Instagram account private. He’s surely not proud of himself. I hate to tell that he’s turning out like his bio dad, drugs and all. Don’t know about his father being violent.
I don’t like idea that the crown princely couple kept Marius close to monitor his behavior. He has been adult for long time and should be 100 % on his own.
 
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sunflowers said:
Just noticed that Marius made his Instagram account private. He’s surely not proud of himself. I hate to tell that he’s turning out like his bio dad, drugs and all. Don’t know about his father being violent.
I don’t like idea that the crown princely couple kept Marius close to monitor his behavior. He has been adult for long time and should be 100 % on his own.
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Interesting Marius has made his IG private. His attorney may have requested him to close it to the public and also make it more difficult for law enforcement to track him.
 
sunflowers said:
Just noticed that Marius made his Instagram account private. He’s surely not proud of himself. I hate to tell that he’s turning out like his bio dad, drugs and all. Don’t know about his father being violent.
I don’t like idea that the crown princely couple kept Marius close to monitor his behavior. He has been adult for long time and should be 100 % on his own.
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It was like that before this all broke
 
kalnel said:
In all fairness, we don't know what their behavior has been, since they've made no public comments, and no one has reported anything "behind the scenes," either now or over the years.

If I were advising them, I'd urge them to avoid taking any responsibility. They'll be tainted by Marius forever if they do. If they stay silent, at least they won't say anything that comes back to bite them.
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I guess that their advisors and maybe lawyers told them to be silent. In their position maybe that is the best advice to be given, until the day when Marius will be brought to court. Any lawyer will advise you to say nothing until the case is brought up .
Thinking a lot about their situation I can understand that MM and Haakon don't want to comment, but I can also understand that the Norwegian public is wondering about their silence. The government should at least publish something like " it is a difficult situation, we are aware of it and we are working to sort it out".
I also have wondered if Marius parents never tried to get him into therapy. It looks like he has had a long history of drug abuse and violence and that didn't start just yesterday. So it could be possible that they tried to push him in that direction but he refused or he went into a clinic to get clean and quit.
There might have been quite a history which we do not know. Who would make such things open to the public, even "normal" families would try to hide such problems from family and friends.
With all criticism that they might deserve I still feel for them, it must be horribly hurtful to have a son who is so lost.
 
According to Marius, he has had treatment and he was going to take it up again (and take it very seriously):

I have struggled with substance abuse for a long time, something I have been in treatment for in the past. I will now resume this treatment and take it very seriously.
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It clearly is some kind of out-patient treatment, otherwise he wouldn't be able to go to Italy, hunt with his questionable friends and go shopping for furniture with his mom.
 
hereditarytitles said:
I guess that their advisors and maybe lawyers told them to be silent. In their position maybe that is the best advice to be given, until the day when Marius will be brought to court. Any lawyer will advise you to say nothing until the case is brought up .
Thinking a lot about their situation I can understand that MM and Haakon don't want to comment, but I can also understand that the Norwegian public is wondering about their silence. The government should at least publish something like " it is a difficult situation, we are aware of it and we are working to sort it out".
I also have wondered if Marius parents never tried to get him into therapy. It looks like he has had a long history of drug abuse and violence and that didn't start just yesterday. So it could be possible that they tried to push him in that direction but he refused or he went into a clinic to get clean and quit.
There might have been quite a history which we do not know. Who would make such things open to the public, even "normal" families would try to hide such problems from family and friends.
With all criticism that they might deserve I still feel for them, it must be horribly hurtful to have a son who is so lost.
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Go look at the comments under the royal family official instagram no one is talking about this
 
PhillyMonarchist said:
Go look at the comments under the royal family official instagram no one is talking about this
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The criminal charges Marius is facing as well as a criminal trial are so serious there is no way an official Instagram or any other royal announcement will bring this up. Also, I believe Marius is no longer an official member of the royal family. Most likely the family has been instructed not to talk to the press or any one else publicly by Marius's legal team.
 
It's so tribal

It's not tribal Muhler. It's a political/economic system closing ranks with each other to maintain the status quo.

We've seen the same issues being played in many other monarchies in Europe, without the tribal component you think of as a Scandinavian.
 
He’s an addict. Neither his parents, nor the parents of the many millions of addicts in the world, stuffed substances up his nose, nor into his veins, or his lungs, or down his throat. He - and all the millions of other addicts- did it to himself.

Addicts can be very cunning, and it might be weeks or months or years before their families become aware. And surely most families take steps to address the problem, counseling, rehabilitation, hospitalization….What most families don’t do is call in the cops, or the newspapers, or the general world, to announce their son’s or daughter’s illness.

Many families do every thing they can to ‘cure’ their loved one, and to protect them, and to bring them to a state of healing so that the restored addict can go on with his/her life. They don’t need to be shamed and excoriated in the public square; they need to be protected, and ‘saved’. Until or unless events intercede, and then the whole thing explodes upon the public.

I can’t blame Marius’ (four) parents for doing what practically every other parent in the world would have done. Now he must face the consequences, but this sad story is far too common to be a huge morality play featuring the NRF. It’s a family tragedy, and surely there were outsiders who were only hoping to protecting all involved. It’s not an indictment of the NRF, or of the very human failings of their members.

It’s a sad story in which too many families find themselves involved.
 
As it relates to the NRF, we’re not discussing morality, although that train left the station when the addict decided to cause bodily harm and injury to another, it’s about the ethics. It’s already been acknowledged that it’s a family tragedy. As parents you can offer your love, support and care, but interfering or covering up criminal activities is out of question for a regular family, never mind this one. It doesn’t matter what the root of his problems are legally, plus not every addict behaves like Marius.
 
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