The Public's Expectations of Kate as William's Girlfriend

[Avalon]

But we don't know what she does in her free time - her free time may be much more interesting then we are aware of.
Kate is a discreet person, which doesn't necessarily mean she is boring. I am not among her greatest fans but I prefer not to be unfair; we know almost nothing about her and for that she should say 'thank you' to her friends, relatives and other people, who are close to her.

 

[BeatrixFan]

Well, if she hasn't got a job then her whole life is free time. Surely she does something that might be of interest to us? I find her frightfully boring and dull and coupled with William, who is also boring and dull, we're in for some very tired years ahead.

 

[Skydragon]

Laviollette

No I am not saying that Catherine does not have a job or that she has done very little since she graduated and having read my post again, I wonder just where you see anything that suggests that.

Nobody has the right to judge another person just because they don't have any details of what they may or may not be doing. We are entitled to comment on facts and I am sure we have all thought about just what some of the people we meet on here are like in real life. Whether they are unemployed and living on benefits (I think you call it social), whether they are mean because they have an awful job and feel others should also suffer, or just plain mean.

Nobody knows whether the royal family 'ticked off' potential brides, all we do know is that for whatever reason the relationships failed. The Press like to influence public opinion and some people appear to fall for it.

 

[Skydragon]

Ah but there's a difference. There's nothing there for Kate. She gives nothing out, no personality, no flair, she sulks, she's boring and she's painfully dull. All I see her do is shop and sulk and okay so that's not all she does - but if it's not all she does, why don't we see her doing anything else?!

I just don't feel the 'need to know' what she does with her time. She could be galloping about the countryside, learning what will be expected of her, if she becomes Williams wife, she could be learning all the bl**dy useless lessons that 'gels' went to finishing school to learn, she could be learning caligraphy, she could be learning to draw, to paint, play the piano.

Camilla may not have been seen working but we knew about her. We knew she was a hard worker for causes she'd taken upon herself. We knew that she went to country fetes and we knew that she cooked and we knew that she generally lived. If Kate wants be unemployed, fine but she should be doing something to make her a little more interesting.

Nobody but her friends and family knew anything about Camilla after she married APB. Very little was know about what she did with her time. After her involvement with Charles was disclosed, the media dug around for any little snippet they could find. The very few photos they could find or take, showed a sullen, miserable woman, scowling at the photographers, who's only interest seemed to be hunting.

 

[Avalon]

Nobody but her friends and family knew anything about Camilla after she married APB. Very little was know about what she did with her time. After her involvement with Charles was disclosed, the media dug around for any little snippet they could find. The very few photos they could find or take, showed a sullen, miserable woman, scowling at the photographers, who's only interest seemed to be hunting.

Now, that's a fair point. Before marrying the Prince of Wales, hardly anyone knew anything about Camilla (except the myths created by the media, most of them unattractive and untrue). Thinking of it, Kate is in the same situation. No one knows (almost) anything about her.

 

[Skydragon]

But we don't know what she does in her free time - her free time may be much more interesting then we are aware of.
Kate is a discreet person, which doesn't necessarily mean she is boring. I am not among her greatest fans but I prefer not to be unfair; we know almost nothing about her and for that she should say 'thank you' to her friends, relatives and other people, who are close to her.

I don't have to go out to earn my living but, I am certainly not going to tell you what I do with my time.

That must make me seem boring, because nobody knows, I must be a lazy good for nothing, who has wasted her education laying in bed all day, shopping or watching the television!

 

[selrahc4]

I don't have to go out to earn my living but, I am certainly not going to tell you what I do with my time.

Awwww, can't we see you "cycling or swimming or writing an article or painting a picture or something" ?

 

[BeatrixFan]

I don't have to go out to earn my living but, I am certainly not going to tell you what I do with my time.

But you're not set to be the future Queen of Great Britain are you?

 

[CasiraghiTrio]

You know what would make Catherine really cool in my eyes?
If she plays a big joke on "us" and sets up a lemonade stand outside her flat, with a mega sign that says in bold black letters: "Support the Future Princess Fund!"
I bet she would make a killing! Imagine all the tourists and paparazzi would come swarming to buy some lemonade just to get close to her, get some good pics, and all. They'd probably pay like $10 for a little cup of lemonade, and Kate would be all set. She could make hundreds in a day!
The Lemonade Girl....Go to St. Andrew's, top Scottish university, get an art history honors degree, and sell lemonade for a living until you can get your prince to propose.... lovely!
She should do it as a joke, a sort of revenge on all the people that say she's lazy and all.

 

[Laviollette]

You know what would make Catherine really cool in my eyes?
If she plays a big joke on "us" and sets up a lemonade stand outside her flat, with a mega sign that says in bold black letters: "Support the Future Princess Fund!"
I bet she would make a killing! Imagine all the tourists and paparazzi would come swarming to buy some lemonade just to get close to her, get some good pics, and all. They'd probably pay like $10 for a little cup of lemonade, and Kate would be all set. She could make hundreds in a day!
The Lemonade Girl....Go to St. Andrew's, top Scottish university, get an art history honors degree, and sell lemonade for a living until you can get your prince to propose.... lovely!
She should do it as a joke, a sort of revenge on all the people that say she's lazy and all.

Too funny!

 

[Skydragon]

But you're not set to be the future Queen of Great Britain are you?

No comment! (annoyed look at the reporter/photographer)

 

[Avalon]

You know what would make Catherine really cool in my eyes?
If she plays a big joke on "us" and sets up a lemonade stand outside her flat, with a mega sign that says in bold black letters: "Support the Future Princess Fund!" ...

That would be hillarious and cool but I imagine her Majesty's and Prince Philip's faces when they read about it in the morning newspaper!
I guess if she did something 'cool' like that, it would be the end of any hopes to become future Princess.

 

[Madame Royale]

I just don't feel the 'need to know' what she does with her time.

Yeah, I agree Skydragon

 

[Skydragon]

No offense, but practically nothing that we know about these people is set in stone. This board is an opportunity for people to speculate on what they're doing with a few facts thrown in here and there. ...
... Facts are for the newspapers. Message boards are about opinions. That's what gives them their character

No offence taken but there is a world of difference between giving an opinion and stating something as absolute fact. Inventing or repeating malicious gossip and suggesting it is fact, is very 'below the belt', 'bad form', 'spiteful', whatever you want to call it.

Speculate, give an opinion but, it is dishonest, IMO, to pass it off as fact.

My opinion, based on real life experience, is that newspapers rarely print the facts.

 

[BeatrixFan]

I guess if she did something 'cool' like that, it would be the end of any hopes to become future Princess.

Do it Kate, do it!

 

[Skydragon]

Awwww, can't we see you "cycling or swimming or writing an article or painting a picture or something" ?

certainly not!

 

[Avalon]

Do it Kate, do it!

Are you urging her to do it, so that she would blow up all her chancec to become a Princess or because you would like her more if she did?

 

[BeatrixFan]

I wouldn't dare give her advice but I think converting to Roman Catholicism would boost her chances.

 

[Avalon]

I see now you have Kate's best interests in your mind.
I think starring in a few Hollywood (or Bollywood) movies would make a wedding all but certain.

 

[Laviollette]

Laviollette

No I am not saying that Catherine does not have a job or that she has done very little since she graduated and having read my post again, I wonder just where you see anything that suggests that.

Nobody has the right to judge another person just because they don't have any details of what they may or may not be doing. We are entitled to comment on facts and I am sure we have all thought about just what some of the people we meet on here are like in real life. Whether they are unemployed and living on benefits (I think you call it social), whether they are mean because they have an awful job and feel others should also suffer, or just plain mean.

Nobody knows whether the royal family 'ticked off' potential brides, all we do know is that for whatever reason the relationships failed. The Press like to influence public opinion and some people appear to fall for it.

I'm simply asking a question: are you trying to justify or explain why Kate doesn't work to support herself if in fact she does not? We have no evidence that she works but her supporters continue to say well we don't actually know if she does or not. So, if she's done nothing for the past year and a half, is that okay? After all she is being shoved down our throats by the media and the UK press in particular as the perfect princess for William while they ignore her lack of work ethic.

They also bombard the public with these imminent engagement and wedding predictions while also ignoring this couple's 2 break-ups at least while passing this relationship off as solid as a rock when it is not. Obviously the media clamour for a wedding is not the fault of Kate and William but it is still important to point out warning signals in this, at least on William's part, forced at gun point march down the aisle. A lot of warning signs were present before Charles and Diana got married but the giddy press and public and the royal family chose to ignore them. Bad idea.

And clearly the RF ticks off a list of potential royal wives as have the press who have decided Kate is perfect not because of some achievement but because she fits into their narrow definition of who they're looking for. We won't get an Alexandra (of Denmark) or a Charlotte Casiraghi. We'll see Diana and Sarah all over again who didn't work out the last time. Or we'll get another safe Sophie. All white bred and protestant. No color or excitement. Just doom, divorce and more disrepute.

 

[BeatrixFan]

Well, I think the RF are alot more savvy now. They know what works and what doesnt - more to the point, they know who works and who doesn't. I just think that it's a shame they won't go for the obvious answers - pick another Royal. They know what's expected and love can come later just as it always did.

 

[MARG]

I think what we are all looking for is evidence that she exists outside of the media spotlight. For all the 'proof of life' even the media has found we could almost be assured that in fact she does not exist at all.

Photographs of Princess Diana working/volunteering? at a Daycare Centre as well as well documented trips down Sloan Square with her fellow Sloan Rangers was at least 'something'.

Sophie had a job which, lets face it, was killed by her marriage into 'The Firm'. But at least she had a life.

Likewise photographs of Camilla in her role of country wife and mother were also 'something'. Wellies, headscarfs, children, who cares. She had a life before marrying the POW.

With Kate we have nothing except media fodder, which lets face it, may very well be total fabrication. We've all seen it.....old photos recycled to create new stories etc.

It's not whether or not she has a job..... it's whether or not she actually is!

 

[TonyaR]

It seems as if the point is being missed here.
Kate (Catherine) Middleton very well may not be employed at all. If she is not, she will not be the first nor the last young woman in her age group and financial status to live comfortably without working.

The point is that if she is currently living the life of a socialite, that's perfectly fine. Catherine Middleton does not have to answer to the public. Princess William (wife of Prince William) will most certainly be answerable to the public.

She can date prince William for 10 years, but until or unless they get engaged, her time is her own and her life is her own.

If they get engaged, that will be the time to watch her and see what she does. That's when she has to be accountable.

It seems that some people feel that she should either be gainfully employed or spending her time pursuing charitable endeavours. It's a great idea, and if she were a royal princess she should most certainly be expected to be doing something of that nature at this point in her life.

But she is not a royal princess. She isn't obligated to perform public duties or to serve the people. She is not obligated to be useful or to show herself to be a 'worthwhile' human being.

Also, we really don't know what she does with her time, and it's not our business anyway. We can postulate and speculate, but Catherine is entitled to her privacy.
Aside from the fact that it's none of our business, I think it's very silly for any reasonable adult person to assume that young woman spends every single day of her life either shopping or vacationing or sitting in a flat.

I don't believe there are people who actually think the only times she comes out of her home are the days which are documented in photos, and that she stays indoors all the other times. (as if she were a doormouse! )

If we subtract all of the days accounted for by photos or stories of her shopping and vacationing from the total days in this year so far, she would have been spending the equivalent of about 7 months sitting inside her apartment. Who believes something that silly?!!

 

[Jo of Palatine]

So you are admitting that Kate does not have a job and has not done much in the 17 months since she graduated from university? If she does not want to work and does not have to work, that is fine.

What if tomorrow a publisher gives out the press information that they are to publish a book by Catherine Middleton? Who's to say how long it takes to write a book? Or that it's not work? Skydragon simply stated that we don't know. And I want to add again that there are occupations which are "work" that can't be seen from outside the windows of a flat. Occupations that give you enough time to spend weekends as you want to spend them, to go out for shopping and parties and, and, and.... There are even university post-degree studies that can be undertaken via mail and email/internet.. So....

We don't know. That's the only fact here. Everything else is mere speculation and shows more of the person speculating and passing judgment than it says something about Catherine Middleton.

 

[Avalon]

I think what we are all looking for is evidence that she exists outside of the media spotlight. For all the 'proof of life' even the media has found we could almost be assured that in fact she does not exist at all.

Photographs of Princess Diana working/volunteering? at a Daycare Centre as well as well documented trips down Sloan Square with her fellow Sloan Rangers was at least 'something'.

Sophie had a job which, lets face it, was killed by her marriage into 'The Firm'. But at least she had a life.

Likewise photographs of Camilla in her role of country wife and mother were also 'something'. Wellies, headscarfs, children, who cares. She had a life before marrying the POW.

With Kate we have nothing except media fodder, which lets face it, may very well be total fabrication. We've all seen it.....old photos recycled to create new stories etc.

It's not whether or not she has a job..... it's whether or not she actually is!

I agree with all your points, all but the one about Kate. True, we have nothing with Kate, we know nothing about her, but why should we? If the gril is discreet (and smart) enough not to let any part of her personal life be shown to public and discussed, how could we possibly know what is going in her free time? She's got people around her, who obviously love her enough not to be tempted to be a 'close source' for the media. If we don't know anything about her personal life (apart from the fact she is dating Prince William), it doesn't mean she hasn't got one.

She may be helping in her family buisness, looking after an elderly relative, studying Latin, learning skydiving - she can be doing anything (which includes doing basically nothing), but as long as the people around her keep their mount closed, we are not going to learn about it.

 

[Skydragon]

I'm simply asking a question: are you trying to justify or explain why Kate doesn't work to support herself if in fact she does not? We have no evidence that she works but her supporters continue to say well we don't actually know if she does or not. So, if she's done nothing for the past year and a half, is that okay?

I don't know how much clearer I can make it for you.

I do NOT have a problem with Catherine even IF she has never had to go out to earn a penny to support herself.

I do NOT believe that she sits at home painting her toe nails, spends all her time shopping, going to polo matches etc, etc.

The only thing I find offensive and have a problem with is that some people keep stating as fact, that she does not work.
As I said before, unless you are privy to Catherines private life, or have checkable evidence, you should not pass this off as fact.

 

[Skydragon]

Likewise photographs of Camilla in her role of country wife and mother were also 'something'. Wellies, headscarfs, children, who cares. She had a life before marrying the POW.

With Kate we have nothing except media fodder, which lets face it, may very well be total fabrication. We've all seen it.....old photos recycled to create new stories etc.

It's not whether or not she has a job..... it's whether or not she actually is!

Very little was 'seen' or 'heard' about Camilla, in the media or by the general public, before the accusations started. We had a couple of grainy photos when they dated, for a short time, all those years ago.

It took the general public and the media by total surprise when the stories started to surface about Diana's accusations. Even after that, there were very few pictures about, the odd one of her hunting or riding out, shopping, at a polo match, all carefully chosen to show her scowling or looking unattractive. IMO.
They didn't get the ones of her beautifully dressed, at dinner parties, the opera etc, etc, they would not have served their purpose and of course they never knew about any of the events.

Catherine has a life apart from William and the only reason some people are attacking her, is because they can't stand the fact that she is able to live her life in private!

 

[Skydragon]

Aside from the fact that it's none of our business, I think it's very silly for any reasonable adult person to assume that young woman spends every single day of her life either shopping or vacationing or sitting in a flat.

I don't believe there are people who actually think the only times she comes out of her home are the days which are documented in photos, and that she stays indoors all the other times. (as if she were a doormouse! )

If we subtract all of the days accounted for by photos or stories of her shopping and vacationing from the total days in this year so far, she would have been spending the equivalent of about 7 months sitting inside her apartment. Who believes something that silly?!!

Marvelous piece of common sense!

Sadly some people clearly think that she is existing as a 'doormouse' and only comes out occasionally, to entertain them!

 

[CasiraghiTrio]

I see now you have Kate's best interests in your mind.
I think starring in a few Hollywood (or Bollywood) movies would make a wedding all but certain.

Yeah, about as certain as the Lemonade Plan! Hehe... I guess the Windsors do have a different idea of what's "cool" for their prospective members. It's a shame!

 

[Laviollette]

I don't know how much clearer I can make it for you.

I do NOT have a problem with Catherine even IF she has never had to go out to earn a penny to support herself.

I do NOT believe that she sits at home painting her toe nails, spends all her time shopping, going to polo matches etc, etc.

The only thing I find offensive and have a problem with is that some people keep stating as fact, that she does not work.
As I said before, unless you are privy to Catherines private life, or have checkable evidence, you should not pass this off as fact.

Maybe you don't have a problem with her doing absolutely nothing but some people do have a problem with it. She is being pushed down our throats as the perfect future queen of england. To say that no one is going to scrutinize her is so naive. She is dating Prince William of Wales! She's gotten a free ride so far and there's nothing wrong with saying that some of us do not want this "socialite" as princess, duchess or queen. We are entitled to our opinion!

And this business with calling her Catherine all of a sudden. She's the one who re-made herself into Kate at SA to be popular and cool and make friends. Now since she's being forced upon us all as future queen we have to endure the new reinvention of her back into Catherine? How convenient and manipulative!