Without a doubt. But the Norwegian Royal Family also has to change its stance and realize that there are changes that they will have to make for the good of the monarchy.
and not to forget ML marrying a convicted criminal who will keep the attention on him in the forseeable future.
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I think they’ll be fine as long as Harald, Sonja, Haakon, MM, IA and SM behave correctly. What’s happening with Marius is unfortunate, but he has no title, isn’t in the line of succession, and, to be blunt, isn’t Haakon’s biological child, which counts for a lot when you’re talking about a hereditary monarchy.
Yes, I agree and your point is very well taken. Parents can do their best and still end up with children finding themselves in impossible situations. I know this very well from a friend’s experience, although in her case, her son was the victim. This is why I expressed sympathy for M-M. The feeling of guilt and even shame will not be easy. It’s just unfortunate for all involved in this case because of who they are and what they represent.
When was it announced that Durek Verrett would be granted membership of the Royal Family?
It really seems the Norwegian royal 'experts' are not aware of Shaman Durek's past. He was also accused of domestic abuse (but settled) and much, much more. So, I am not sure how this can be 'the worst' if the king already consented to the marriage of his daughter with a felon with much more (but including domestic abuse) on his criminal record.Experts opinions differ, four experts are interviewed:
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Peggy Simcic Brønn:
- This tops everything. Of everything wrong that has happened to this royal house - this is the worst. He does not apologize for the use of violence, Brønn calls the statement fire extinguishing.
- How you handle these matters is incredibly important. This damages the reputation of the royal house, it cannot be avoided.
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Kongehusekspert om Marius Borg Høibys uttalelse: – Åpen, direkte og gjennomtenkt
Kongehusekspert roser Marius Borg Høiby (27) for åpenhet og ansvar i sin uttalelse. – Brannslukking, sier professor.www.vg.no
Source: Durek Verrett - Wikipedia
Haven't they already done so by limiting the royal house (and the style of majesty or royal highness) to the king, queen, crown prince, crown princess and hereditary princess? I don't think a three-tier system would add much:
Yes, I know. That's why I presented the hypothetical 'three tier' system that you proposed and that seems unnecessarily complicated in my view. There is already a clear distinction between the royal house and the royal family. No need to further complicate things and split up the 'royal family' category - and if they truly would want to, the more logical distinction would be between those in line to the throne and those not in line to the throne imho.
I understand what you mean, but my point is creating more separation between any official position and family. People like Marius and the Behn sisters would have more freedom to live their lives without the connection to the royals, and the royal court would not have to worry about their activities.
But isn't that exactly the point of making an distinction between the royal house and the royal family? The ones belonging to the royal house are the ones that officially represent the monarchy; the others happen to be members of the royal family as they are closely related by birth or by marriage to the monarch - and only princess Astrid occasionally undertakes an official royal engagement these days.
That's what I've previously written in the Märtha and Durek thread!
Well, but it will make a difference in the media!
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But even if her title were taken away or renounced, wouldn’t people still see her as a princess (title or not) since she is the King’s daughter?
How are the people of Norway telling the king to keep ML titled? Are there polls? Thanks in advance!There is actually another thing the King can do: not grant his Article 36 constitutional consent to Princess Märtha Louise and Durek Verrett's marriage. That would remove her entitlement to the throne when they marry. (Yes, he claimed he already granted his consent, but nothing in Article 36 bars him from changing his mind before the marriage takes place.)
I know you have conveyed that the public would be more or less aghast if the King did so. But frankly (and to be clear, this is directed at the general public, not at you; it is not my wish to "shoot the messenger"
general public can say all they like that they are fed up and appalled with Princess Märtha Louise and Durek Verrett. But their actions speak louder than their words. If the public are putting pressure on the King to keep Princess Märtha Louise and Durek Verrett legally entitled to automatically become Head of State and First Gentleman of Norway (which would take effect if just three people either die or become disqualified!), then the public are granting their approval and blessing to Princess Märtha Louise and Durek Verrett and their actions and marriage, and the public should accept their responsibility for that choice.
If her succession rights to the Crown are not that important, then what is the problem with cleanly and easily removing them through Article 36, thus removing one connection between her (and Durek) and the monarchy? Clearly, maintaining her rights to the crown is important to someone or some people, or the King would not have wasted his breath granting his Article 36 consent to their marriage.
Even if she were to lose her entitlement to the throne, the King could decide that she would retain her Princess title. Or he could remove her title of Princess while leaving her in line to the throne, like her daughters.I understand that King Harald V has expressed his opinion in the past that Article 36 is a personal prerogative of the monarch, but, frankly, that opinion is odd in a constitutional monarchy.Marius Borg Høiby being untitled since birth has not spared the royal house from being affected by his actions, and unlike his stepaunt, he is not even in line to the throne.
Just to be clear, my previous comment was referring to Princess Märtha Louise's rights to the throne, not to her Princess title.
My comment that "I know you have conveyed that the public would be more or less aghast if the King [withdrew his Article 36 consent to Princess Märtha Louise and Durek Verrett's marriage]" is based on what Royal Norway said a few months ago: "I mean, this is Norway in 2024, there is no way that the King or the government would go anywhere near Article 36!"
(Though to be pedantic, the King did "go near" Article 36 by granting his Article 36 consent to the couple's marriage. Not going near Article 36 (i.e., taking no action) would mean no consent and no right to the throne after marriage for Princess Märtha Louise.)
That said, I too would like to see polling data on the issue, and preferably a poll which clearly explains Article 36 to the respondents prior to asking for their opinion (because I suspect at least some of the opposition to withholding Article 36 consent might stem from a misguided "How dare a father deny his full-grown daughter the right to marry?" – even though the reality is that King Harald V withholding consent would not deny her the right to marry at all, but only deny her the right to become Queen of Norway).
Prime minister Jonas Gahr Støre:
- I will not comment on the details of what we have now followed over the last few days, but it is a family with some very clear challenges, which also applies to a good number of other families in Norway. This family, unlike them, has to endure full floodlights on it. I can imagine that is a big burden. This is a moment where we stop and get to know that this is a family. And in families there are also challenges and problems, also in this family, says Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre to NTB.
The party leaders find the situation sad and praise the work the royal family is doing.
Støre om kongefamilien: - Helt klare utfordringer
Statsminister Jonas Gahr Støre (Ap) og de andre partilederne slår ring om kongehuset. De mener at monarkiet står støtt selv om det har stormet i det siste.www.dagbladet.no
