The Future of the British Monarchy 1: 2018 - 2022

[muriel]

Don't know where to put this but has anyone ever been to royal events or planning on going in future, I might go to trooping the colour next year but what is the best place to stand

YOu may want to reach out to @royalmusing on Twitter. She visits from the US for all the big royal events.

 

[RoyalHighness 2002]

I've been thinking about their situation for awhile and I've realized especially due to the Jubilee weekend that Beatrice and Eugenie have this special middle status between the working royals and regular members of the Queen's family. Generally, the way they were not called upon to be full time working members was seen as a demotion, which is fair, but I think it could be alternatively painted as a trailblazing status, because I predict they will be the first who initiated it as the norm.

In the future, they and those in their position will be used when needed, as is already the case. Especially when the 'family aspect' is to be highlighted, like garden parties, receptions and hopefully state banquets. And alongside this, these members have the benefit of catching the eye of charities and organizations who want a 'royal' patron. And something that is not often recognized with the York girls is that they do take part in more duties than non titled grandchildren of monarchs, attending events where the family rotates a representative each year (Big Curry Lunch, National Scout's Service).

I used to be upset for them but honestly their situation isn't quite bad and will be a normal standard, I think the only thing is that I wish they would get more recognition for the charity work done.

 

[Iluvbertie]

The Yorks aren't the first though to have that non-working status - Prince Michael of Kent has had it all his life and it was the expected path for the current Duke of Gloucester until the death of his older brother. He had actually qualified and was working as an architect when he had to give that up as the heir to his father's dukedom.

 

[RoyalHighness 2002]

The Yorks aren't the first though to have that non-working status - Prince Michael of Kent has had it all his life and it was the expected path for the current Duke of Gloucester until the death of his older brother. He had actually qualified and was working as an architect when he had to give that up as the heir to his father's dukedom.

Oh, you are definitely right but I consider them a part of the Queen's old system, where the older(est) grandchildren were called upon to work while the younger were given that part time position. However as we see with the York's, both girls are part time and in the future, that will probably remain the case with other grandchildren and who knows, may extend to children of the monarch as well.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

Charles and William would be crazy and short sighted not to utilize the York princesses at least occasionally.

They are both effortlessly warm and engaging...quite natural at the "job" as the Jubilee events showed.

If the idea is to further punish Andrew by neutralizing his blameless daughters during the reigns of Charles and later William, the real losers won't be Beatrice and Eugenie.

 

[Somebody]

Oh, you are definitely right but I consider them a part of the Queen's old system, where the older(est) grandchildren were called upon to work while the younger were given that part time position. However as we see with the York's, both girls are part time and in the future, that will probably remain the case with other grandchildren and who knows, may extend to children of the monarch as well.

In the 'old system' Beatrice would still not be a royal duke. It were the royal dukes that were expected to work for the royal family. Because of a scarcity of people the queen also requested her cousin's Alexandra's help but that's the only exception I can think of.

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

The Spanish monarchy shows that with effectively only two "fulltime" working royals they manage to be everywhere. From inaugurations of nearly every president in the gigantic Spanish-speaking world to watching Rafael Nadal on Roland Garros. From opening a Spanish exhibition in Amsterdam to a sailing regatta in the Baleares. They are omnipresent and show there is no need for a dozen of royals.

The same counts for another big monarchy: Japan, where effectively only the Emperor himself is a "fulltime" working royal.

Not to mention the presidents of France, Italy, Germany, Poland who represent their country mostly without a barely visible First Lady even.

Given that: Charles, Camilla, William, Catherine, Anne, Edward, Sophie and close after them, in a dozen of years, George, Charlotte, Louis. I would say: more than plenty for a slimmed-down monarchy anno 2030, with Beatrice, Eugenie, Louise and James as stand-ins.

 

[Alison H]

Members of the public wishing to watch are advised to stand on The Mall or on the edge of St James's Park overlooking Horse Guards (their view may be somewhat obscured by troops in this position) .

Or you can buy a ticket, if you want a seated view.

 

[Queen Claude]

[...] I consider them a part of the Queen's old system, where the older(est) grandchildren were called upon to work while the younger were given that part time position. [...]

This is my take as well. The expectation was for Beatrice, as Prince Andrew's oldest child, to be a full-time working royal, while Eugenie was free to pursue her own interests, yet available to be called upon as needed. At some point, probably when Beatrice was a pre-teen / teen, the decision was made that children of spares would not be called upon to be full-time working royals. I suspect that it was not accepted as a fait accompli in certain quarters.

What intrigues me is the money part. Right now the BRF is funded by the Sovereign Grant, the Duchy of Lancaster and the Duchy of Cornwall. The funding scheme for the Sovereign Grant is 15% of the Crown Estate income (it is temporarily 25%) and my rough calculation has it trending at £50 million. The funding scheme for the Duchy of Lancaster and the Duchy of Cornwall is that their respective beneficiaries get paid the net income from the duchies which has been trending at about £20 million per year for each duchy.

Technically, the income from the duchies is available for their respective dukes to use as they please, but Queen Elizabeth and Prince Charles have used the income to fund BRF activities and needs that presumably are not covered by the Sovereign Grant and other sources, but I have no doubt that they have been able to amass considerable personal fortunes from their duchy incomes. So fast forward 30 years and instead of a BRF of 10-15 working royals being funded by 2052 equivalent of £90 million, you are going to have 2-4 working royals being funded by the 2052 equivalent of £40 million plus the Sovereign Grant, and if the Sovereign Grant remains 15% of the Crown Estate income, then that is 2-4 working royals being funded by the 2052 equivalent of £90 million. If it plays out that way, I boldly predict that there will be a bit of an optics problem.

Of course reasonable arguments can be made that, at most, the working royals should be the monarch, consort, adult heir and spouse. However I can see there being other royals being tagged in to "provide services" to the UK and the Commonwealth, and implicitly to justify the funding that the BRF receives.

What I think should be happening is that children of spares should be raised with the expectation that they are free to pursue her own interests, which is pretty much happening, Princess Beatrice is the last royal who was probably raised that way and she seems to have adapted. However that does not mean that if there is a need and mutual agreement that one of these royals cannot be conscripted to become a part-time or full-time working royal, rather the point is that their upbringing should not be geared that way.

The toughest nut in all this is what about non-heir apparent children of monarchs / heirs apparent, e.g., Charlotte, Louis. Presumably they are being raised to hold the monarchy and service in high regard, but I don't think that they should feel duty-bound to become working royals, however as noted above, if there is a need and mutual agreement, I don't have a problem with them being working royals, and I think that a benefit to having a small bench of working royals carrying out duties, in addition to the monarch, heir apparent and their spouses, does help justify the tens of millions of pounds that the BRF gets from the Sovereign grant and duchy income.

 

[Excalibur]

What intrigues me is the money part. Right now the BRF is funded by the Sovereign Grant, the Duchy of Lancaster and the Duchy of Cornwall. The funding scheme for the Sovereign Grant is 15% of the Crown Estate income (it is temporarily 25%) and my rough calculation has it trending at £50 million. The funding scheme for the Duchy of Lancaster and the Duchy of Cornwall is that their respective beneficiaries get paid the net income from the duchies which has been trending at about £20 million per year for each duchy.

Technically, the income from the duchies is available for their respective dukes to use as they please, but Queen Elizabeth and Prince Charles have used the income to fund BRF activities and needs that presumably are not covered by the Sovereign Grant and other sources, but I have no doubt that they have been able to amass considerable personal fortunes from their duchy incomes. So fast forward 30 years and instead of a BRF of 10-15 working royals being funded by 2052 equivalent of £90 million, you are going to have 2-4 working royals being funded by the 2052 equivalent of £40 million plus the Sovereign Grant, and if the Sovereign Grant remains 15% of the Crown Estate income, then that is 2-4 working royals being funded by the 2052 equivalent of £90 million. If it plays out that way, I boldly predict that there will be a bit of an optics problem.

Bear in mind that the Sovereign Grant differs from the previous Civil List in that the money from the Sovereign Grant also covers upkeep of Royal properties. As these properties continue age, a good portion of the SG money could presumably be earmarked for maintenance and modernization (if/where appropriate) rather than covering expenses incurred while performing royal duties. This could help alleviate, at least in part, the optics problem. ?

 

[FigTree]

This is my take as well. The expectation was for Beatrice, as Prince Andrew's oldest child, to be a full-time working royal, while Eugenie was free to pursue her own interests, yet available to be called upon as needed. At some point, probably when Beatrice was a pre-teen / teen, the decision was made that children of spares would not be called upon to be full-time working royals. I suspect that it was not accepted as a fait accompli in certain quarters.

What intrigues me is the money part. Right now the BRF is funded by the Sovereign Grant, the Duchy of Lancaster and the Duchy of Cornwall. The funding scheme for the Sovereign Grant is 15% of the Crown Estate income (it is temporarily 25%) and my rough calculation has it trending at £50 million. The funding scheme for the Duchy of Lancaster and the Duchy of Cornwall is that their respective beneficiaries get paid the net income from the duchies which has been trending at about £20 million per year for each duchy.

Technically, the income from the duchies is available for their respective dukes to use as they please, but Queen Elizabeth and Prince Charles have used the income to fund BRF activities and needs that presumably are not covered by the Sovereign Grant and other sources, but I have no doubt that they have been able to amass considerable personal fortunes from their duchy incomes. So fast forward 30 years and instead of a BRF of 10-15 working royals being funded by 2052 equivalent of £90 million, you are going to have 2-4 working royals being funded by the 2052 equivalent of £40 million plus the Sovereign Grant, and if the Sovereign Grant remains 15% of the Crown Estate income, then that is 2-4 working royals being funded by the 2052 equivalent of £90 million. If it plays out that way, I boldly predict that there will be a bit of an optics problem.

Of course reasonable arguments can be made that, at most, the working royals should be the monarch, consort, adult heir and spouse. However I can see there being other royals being tagged in to "provide services" to the UK and the Commonwealth, and implicitly to justify the funding that the BRF receives.

What I think should be happening is that children of spares should be raised with the expectation that they are free to pursue her own interests, which is pretty much happening, Princess Beatrice is the last royal who was probably raised that way and she seems to have adapted. However that does not mean that if there is a need and mutual agreement that one of these royals cannot be conscripted to become a part-time or full-time working royal, rather the point is that their upbringing should not be geared that way.

The toughest nut in all this is what about non-heir apparent children of monarchs / heirs apparent, e.g., Charlotte, Louis. Presumably they are being raised to hold the monarchy and service in high regard, but I don't think that they should feel duty-bound to become working royals, however as noted above, if there is a need and mutual agreement, I don't have a problem with them being working royals, and I think that a benefit to having a small bench of working royals carrying out duties, in addition to the monarch, heir apparent and their spouses, does help justify the tens of millions of pounds that the BRF gets from the Sovereign grant and duchy income.

Beatrice and Eugenie are about a lot lately. As someone mentioned Spain. The UK isn’t Spain and there are currently so many engagements. A more flexible,working arrangements for this not in direct line would work though. They don’t need to be full time but somehow I can’t see them being able,to do without them permanently.

 

[muriel]

Beatrice and Eugenie are about a lot lately. As someone mentioned Spain. The UK isn’t Spain and there are currently so many engagements. A more flexible,working arrangements for this not in direct line would work though. They don’t need to be full time but somehow I can’t see them being able,to do without them permanently.

I really do think the number of engagements carried out by members of the BRF will decline in time. Technology allows them to reach out to a much wider audience without physically being present, and they will increasingly pick and choose their appearances. I do not see the York girls being used at all, or the children of Edward and Sophie.

 

[Alison H]

I think they do still need to see and be seen. William and Kate talking to someone over Zoom doesn't make front page headlines in the way that William and Kate meeting people (preferably cute children, or elderly people talking about the war) in person does. You can't really put up a plaque saying "This new hospital wing was unveiled by the Princess Royal over Zoom". And, if something bad's happened - unfortunately, bad things do happen - then people want to see a member of the Royal Family on the scene in person, comforting the injured.

 

[Iluvbertie]

There were and still are many things being opened by the royals 'over zoom'. I am not sure if the plaques actually say 'over zoom' or just 'opened by ...'

 

[Denville]

I think they do still need to see and be seen. William and Kate talking to someone over Zoom doesn't make front page headlines in the way that William and Kate meeting people (preferably cute children, or elderly people talking about the war) in person does. You can't really put up a plaque saying "This new hospital wing was unveiled by the Princess Royal over Zoom". And, if something bad's happened - unfortunately, bad things do happen - then people want to see a member of the Royal Family on the scene in person, comforting the injured.

I think there will be enough people to do some engagements where they meet people while leaving most of the RF to have private lives and do an odd charity thing if they are interested in a particular charity. But I think the days of a large family all doing engagments is gone. It looks like Make work to keep the royals looking busy and relevant. And I think that in today's world, its not that easy to be a general jack of all trades and master of none.. ie royals having a lot of different things that they turn up for but not having in depth involvement or knowledge of most of them. plus there is the issue of younger children. In bygone days, the younger royals led the same kind of life as the oldest one.. socialising, a bit of charity work, helping to run the familly estate etc... but nowadays, younger sons and daughters will probalby feel frustrated at being expected to lead a similar life with a lot of charity work to their older sibling, when they know that they have no chance ever of being monarch.. and many will want a proper career of their own.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

Beatrice and Eugenie are about a lot lately. As someone mentioned Spain. The UK isn’t Spain and there are currently so many engagements. A more flexible,working arrangements for this not in direct line would work though. They don’t need to be full time but somehow I can’t see them being able,to do without them permanently.

Indeed the UK is not Spain, just as Norway, Belgium, etc are not Spain, but all European royal houses have slimmed down to a greater or lesser extent, and out of similar concerns.

If the current number of engagements could not be altered, then the current system itself would not exist, as the British royal family has not always carried out its current number of public engagements.

In the 'old system' Beatrice would still not be a royal duke. It were the royal dukes that were expected to work for the royal family. Because of a scarcity of people the queen also requested her cousin's Alexandra's help but that's the only exception I can think of.

It will be interesting to see whether Louis will be treated as more important than Charlotte even though the latter is ahead of the former in the line to the throne.

[...]So fast forward 30 years and instead of a BRF of 10-15 working royals being funded by 2052 equivalent of £90 million, you are going to have 2-4 working royals being funded by the 2052 equivalent of £40 million plus the Sovereign Grant, and if the Sovereign Grant remains 15% of the Crown Estate income, then that is 2-4 working royals being funded by the 2052 equivalent of £90 million. If it plays out that way, I boldly predict that there will be a bit of an optics problem.

[...] I think that a benefit to having a small bench of working royals carrying out duties, in addition to the monarch, heir apparent and their spouses, does help justify the tens of millions of pounds that the BRF gets from the Sovereign grant and duchy income.

I'm not sure the optics problem will be resolved by maintaining a larger bench of working royals. From the viewpoint of the general public, the problematic occurrence is the quantity of funds spent on "the (wealthy, privileged) royals" as a whole, and not the per capita amount.

I've been thinking about their situation for awhile and I've realized especially due to the Jubilee weekend that Beatrice and Eugenie have this special middle status between the working royals and regular members of the Queen's family. Generally, the way they were not called upon to be full time working members was seen as a demotion, which is fair, but I think it could be alternatively painted as a trailblazing status, because I predict they will be the first who initiated it as the norm.

In the future, they and those in their position will be used when needed, as is already the case. Especially when the 'family aspect' is to be highlighted, like garden parties, receptions and hopefully state banquets. And alongside this, these members have the benefit of catching the eye of charities and organizations who want a 'royal' patron. And something that is not often recognized with the York girls is that they do take part in more duties than non titled grandchildren of monarchs, attending events where the family rotates a representative each year (Big Curry Lunch, National Scout's Service).

I used to be upset for them but honestly their situation isn't quite bad and will be a normal standard, I think the only thing is that I wish they would get more recognition for the charity work done.

The Yorks aren't the first though to have that non-working status - Prince Michael of Kent has had it all his life and it was the expected path for the current Duke of Gloucester until the death of his older brother. He had actually qualified and was working as an architect when he had to give that up as the heir to his father's dukedom.

As well as the Michaels of Kent, there are many royals in Europe who share the York princesses' half-in, half-out status in respect to public appearances (the Princes of Orange-Nassau, van Vollenhoven for instance). The difference seems to be that for the Yorks, it is cast by the public as the princesses having arrogant ambitions or "having their cake and eating it too", when in actuality these matters are generally decided by the head of the house and in the case of the York princesses, nothing supports the idea that they are not doing the queen's bidding.

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

Beatrice and Eugenie are about a lot lately. As someone mentioned Spain. The UK isn’t Spain and there are currently so many engagements. A more flexible,working arrangements for this not in direct line would work though. They don’t need to be full time but somehow I can’t see them being able,to do without them permanently.

The latest Caribbean Tour of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge was no success for friend and for enemy. It was seen as outdated, patronizing, colonial even.

This week's images of the Earl of Wessex and Forfar, never having been in the military, taking the parade in a crisp sparkling white tropical tenue of no less than a Commodore-in-Chief, with the Garter pontifically over his breast, overviewing marines passing by on the Rock: how much more theatrical clinging to a bygone "Empire" can it be?

I expect that Charles will make the transition all other monarchies have made: slimming down, focus on the the present, the future and the former monarch, the rest of the family have to pursue a private life and earn their own income.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

I expect that Charles will make the transition all other monarchies have made: slimming down, focus on the the present, the future and the former monarch, the rest of the family have to pursue a private life and earn their own income.

Do you mean to say all other monarchies or all other European monarchies? I follow the European monarchies most closely, but I see no sign of slimming down in, say, Dubai or Bhutan.

 

[Durham]

The latest Caribbean Tour of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge was no success for friend and for enemy. It was seen as outdated, patronizing, colonial even.

This week's images of the Earl of Wessex and Forfar, never having been in the military, taking the parade in a crisp sparkling white tropical tenue of no less than a Commodore-in-Chief, with the Garter pontifically over his breast, overviewing marines passing by on the Rock: how much more theatrical clinging to a bygone "Empire" can it be?

I expect that Charles will make the transition all other monarchies have made: slimming down, focus on the the present, the future and the former monarch, the rest of the family have to pursue a private life and earn their own income.

The Royal Fleet Auxiliary, of which Edward is the Commodore in Chief, is not the military. It’s members are civilian employees of the Department of Defence. So their job is to support the RN logistically.

The Earl of Wessex is therefore wearing a non-military uniform similar to those worn by senior officers in any merchant navy including the present Dutch one.

And Gibraltar remains an RN operational base so the presence of Royal Marines is entirely normal. And white uniform is standard practise by many armed & civilian forces depending on the location & season.

Gibraltar is similar in constitutional status to the Dutch Caribbean territories. Its inhabitants are both Gibraltarian & British. Its current status dates back to a European dynastic war very typical of the C18th. So not really colonialism or empire at all.

 

[Saragli]

The "slimmed-down monarchy" idea is one that I always find a little bit frustrating. The monarchy will be slimmed down from its current state regardless simply because there are less family members around. Once Charles is King, he will have the Princess Royal and Earl/Countess of Wessex plus the Cambridges. Once William is King, he will only have his children. However, I do think the royal family will continue to make some sort of role for the "spares". The public needs to be familiar with the siblings to some extent in the event they somehow succeed to the throne.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

The "slimmed-down monarchy" idea is one that I always find a little bit frustrating. The monarchy will be slimmed down from its current state regardless simply because there are less family members around. Once Charles is King, he will have the Princess Royal and Earl/Countess of Wessex plus the Cambridges. Once William is King, he will only have his children. However, I do think the royal family will continue to make some sort of role for the "spares". The public needs to be familiar with the siblings to some extent in the event they somehow succeed to the throne.

It is not that there are necessarily fewer family members, but fewer of them have been selected to serve as working royals, which is what most mean by slimming down. Prince William has a larger total number of siblings and first cousins than his father did, but fewer of them work for the monarchy.

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

They should make a sort of division between royal family and Royal House like they do -for example- in Spain (Casa Real) or the Netherlands (Koninklijk Huis).

In Spain the royal family are more or less all descendants of Juan de Borbón, varying from the Infanta Margarita to Juan Gómez-Acebo y Borbón. But the Royal House (Casa Real) are only a handful persons: the present royal couple, the former royal couple, the future Queen and her younger sister. All descendants of Juan de Borbón, the royal family, would barely fit on a palace balcony.

In the Netherlands the royal famil are all descendants of Juliana of Orange-Nassau, varying from the Duke of Parma and Piacenza to Willem-Jan van Vollenhoven. But the Royal House (Koninklijk Huis) are only a handful persons: the present royal couple, the former Queen, the future Queen and her younger sisters plus the King's younger brother and his spouse). All descendants of Juliana of Orange-Nassau would barely fit on a palace balcony.

It is inevitable to slim down and to give people the chance to pursue their own career and to make their own living out of the public eye.

 

[MARG]

I have to admit my faith in the BRF is totally lost and I no longer expect HM to remain our Head of State when the Queen dies.

I have always been an avid monarchist but these last few years have shown a degree of callous pragmatism that one would expect in a business, not a family. They seem to have become "The Firm" dealing ruthlessly with family members, strategically leaking from all three royal offices has left me wondering if they have forgotten their roots and their raison d'être so to speak.

However, it seems that Prince Charles has received a rude reminder of the difference between even 'family' and 'friends' with news clamouring that he has said he is against the government's move to send asylum seekers to Rwanda. There were no "Spider Letters" nor calls to MP's, merely someone reporting on "private conversations". Who those conversations took place with was not reported but must surely leave him both saddened by the betrayal and fuming about the diplomatic furore and a media happy to accuse him obliquely of "political" meddling.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/news...ant-plan-appalling/ar-AAYmDKK?ocid=uxbndlbing

 

[Tatiana Maria]

In Spain the royal family are more or less all descendants of Juan de Borbón, varying from the Infanta Margarita to Juan Gómez-Acebo y Borbón. But the Royal House (Casa Real) are only a handful persons: the present royal couple, the former royal couple, the future Queen and her younger sister. All descendants of Juan de Borbón, the royal family, would barely fit on a palace balcony.

No, Casa Real (Royal House) denotes the royal household. The Spanish king and queen, their children, and the king emeritus and queen emerita constitute the Familia Real (Royal Family).

https://www.boe.es/buscar/doc.php?id=BOE-A-1981-28756
https://www.casareal.es/

 

[tommy100]

I've said exactly the same - they need to "create" a "Royal House" which includes only the official working members of the RF. Royal House is rarely used in every day language in the UK so it would work better than trying to redefine the "Royal Family". It would give a clear sign of who officially represent the Crown and country and who is "just" a member of the family with their own lives.

At present "The Royal House" would consist of:
Her Majesty the Queen
The Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall
The Duke & Duchess of Cambridge
The Princess Royal, The Princess Anne
The Earl and Countess of Wessex
The Duke & Duchess of Gloucester
The Duke of Kent
Princess Alexandra


In the future it would likely consist of:
Their Majesties The King & Queen
The Prince & Princess of Wales
Prince George of Wales/Cambridge
The Princess Royal, The Princess Anne
The Earl and Countess of Wessex
The Duke & Duchess of Gloucester

Charlotte and Louis may be included as well depending on what is decided with them for the future.

 

[Biri]

I've said exactly the same - they need to "create" a "Royal House" which includes only the official working members of the RF. Royal House is rarely used in every day language in the UK so it would work better than trying to redefine the "Royal Family". It would give a clear sign of who officially represent the Crown and country and who is "just" a member of the family with their own lives.

At present "The Royal House" would consist of:
Her Majesty the Queen
The Prince of Wales and the Duchess of Cornwall
The Duke & Duchess of Cambridge
The Princess Royal, The Princess Anne
The Earl and Countess of Wessex
The Duke & Duchess of Gloucester
The Duke of Kent
Princess Alexandra


In the future it would likely consist of:
Their Majesties The King & Queen
The Prince & Princess of Wales
Prince George of Wales/Cambridge
The Princess Royal, The Princess Anne
The Earl and Countess of Wessex
The Duke & Duchess of Gloucester

Charlotte and Louis may be included as well depending on what is decided with them for the future.

And when William becomes King?

 

[tommy100]

Well I have packed away my crystal ball for the day

But possibly:

Their Majesties The King & Queen
The Prince and Princess of Wales (George and wife)
Princess Charlotte & spouse
Prince Louis & spouse
The Earl and Countess of Wessex (if still around)
The Princess Royal, The Princess Anne (if still around)

William may well choose to call in some of his cousins if needs be - just as Queen Elizabeth II did when she became Queen.

 

[Iluvbertie]

Well I have packed away my crystal ball for the day

But possibly:

Their Majesties The King & Queen
The Prince and Princess of Wales (George and wife)
Princess Charlotte & spouse
Prince Louis & spouse
The Earl and Countess of Wessex (if still around)
The Princess Royal, The Princess Anne (if still around)

William may well choose to call in some of his cousins if needs be - just as Queen Elizabeth II did when she became Queen.

Given the way the cousins have been treated by Charles and William I wouldn't be surprised if they told him to 'get lost' especially as they will be close to their 60s by then and ready to retire to enjoy their lives rather than starting a new career.

 

[Biri]

And if Prince Louis gets married while his father is already King [and his brother - a Prince of Wales] and Prince Andrew has already passed away - will then Louis and his newly wedded wife be conferred the title of the Duke and Duchess of York?

Through history it seemed to be the traditional title of the second son of the King.

P.S. It seems rather clear that Harry and Meghan will not receive this titles while Charles becomes King and William the Prince of Wales - at the moment King Charles III will pass away, Prince Andrew - as 12 years his junior - will for 99% be still alive.

 

[Tatiana Maria]

There is a thread for Questions about British Styles and Titles and a thread for Royal Dukes, Royal Duchies and Royal Ducal Titles.

See the previous discussions about the possibility of Louis becoming Duke of York:

https://www.theroyalforums.com/foru...d-royal-ducal-titles-7948-34.html#post2415658
https://www.theroyalforums.com/foru...sh-styles-and-titles-258-294.html#post2410079
https://www.theroyalforums.com/foru...sh-styles-and-titles-258-285.html#post2392109
https://www.theroyalforums.com/foru...sh-styles-and-titles-258-228.html#post2258227
https://www.theroyalforums.com/foru...sh-styles-and-titles-258-215.html#post2218754
https://www.theroyalforums.com/foru...sh-styles-and-titles-258-205.html#post2192264

Just as a clarification, dukedoms are typically conferred while a prince remains unmarried. Elizabeth is the only British monarch who has waited until the prince's marriage to confer a dukedom.