Katariina
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Royal family on the balcony of Buckingham Palace:
The boys being exited over the planes was cute.
Royal family on the balcony of Buckingham Palace:
After seeing how prominent a place the pages had throughout the ceremony and on the balcony, the exclusion of girls from that role is even more conspicuous, especially after the various royal press releases highlighting inclusiveness.
(In case anyone says that "page" is a male term: Even if true, that is obviously not the reason why girls were not allowed to serve as child attendants; note also that Penny Mordaunt was called the Lord President of the Council.)
It could be interpreted as "the Word of the Christian Lord", perhaps.
I found it satisfying to see a non-Christian prime minister being treated as equal to a Christian prime minister in (I am quoting from the Church of England commentary) "read[ing], as has become modern custom seen at other State Ceremonies, by virtue of his public office, being the Prime Minister of the nation in which the Coronation takes place", but I thought it was amusingly ironic for a believer in the Hindu gods to read a passage saying that "he [the Christian god] is before all things". I suppose it's no more ironic than adding elements to the order of service to display inclusiveness of religious minorities in the same ceremony where the king swears an oath to defend the Anglican church's special privileges against the threat of religious equality and to do his best to ensure no non-Protestant ever becomes head of state.
In the case of England though the King is also the head of the church, a position I guess no other royal has to fulfill.
Princess Anne's hat has been a huge hit on social media!
Honestly I am not a fan of screen actors, pop singers and TV personalities replacing peers and peeresses, but I understand they were people who had been inducted into the order of the British Empire or held similar decorations.
In 1953, where did those people sit? They had seating in front where they had a great view. Today, even George saw more than Will.
How many people are going to go home and see what they couldn’t see? Maybe they even snuck a look on their phones during
Queen Margrethe II of Denmark, Europe's longest-serving head of state, is also the supreme authority of the Church of Denmark.
I have no need for any of the York ensemble any more than their Montecito first cousin. The people in the balcony are there to be remembered in a positive light for King Charles, not a photo op focusing on who's not there.
Beatrice and Eugenie have done nothing to embarrass the royal family. They can't help what their father and cousin have done.
After seeing how prominent a place the pages had throughout the ceremony and on the balcony, the exclusion of girls from that role is even more conspicuous, especially after the various royal press releases highlighting inclusiveness.
(In case anyone says that "page" is a male term: Even if true, that is obviously not the reason why girls were not allowed to serve as child attendants; note also that Penny Mordaunt was called the Lord President of the Council.)
It could be interpreted as "the Word of the Christian Lord", perhaps.
I found it satisfying to see a non-Christian prime minister being treated as equal to a Christian prime minister in (I am quoting from the Church of England commentary) "read[ing], as has become modern custom seen at other State Ceremonies, by virtue of his public office, being the Prime Minister of the nation in which the Coronation takes place", but I thought it was amusingly ironic for a believer in the Hindu gods to read a passage saying that "he [the Christian god] is before all things". I suppose it's no more ironic than adding elements to the order of service to display inclusiveness of religious minorities in the same ceremony where the king swears an oath to defend the Anglican church's special privileges against the threat of religious equality and to do his best to ensure no non-Protestant ever becomes head of state.
He was reading from the King James version.For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness; Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light; Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Thanks.
I guess that even if the Church of England is “downgraded” in the future, the monarch will always have a religious coronation ceremony of some sort, in order to mark the beginning of a new reign.
Why would there be a religious ceremony to mark the beginning of a new reign if for example the monarch would not longer be the Supreme Governor of the Church of England, and the CoE wouldn't have a special place anymore? Other monarchies also mark the beginning of a new reign but do so with a civil ceremony (that can also be made to look rather majestic - but won't have the same feel of partaking in an old and holy ritual) instead of a religious one.
While I very much appreciated the symbolism and focus on servanthood in this ceremony, I am a bit uncomfortable with the perception of Charles having some kind of priestly role "reflecting the two natures of Christ" and representing "humanity restored to its full dignity and glory in Christ" (see page 4 of the Order of Service).
As a fellow Roman Catholic, I noticed the same today. Mentally I was giving the responses too.I wonder if those crown princes and especially presidents seating in the back could actually see anything. I have always found the seating plan at Westminster Abbey very inadequate for the congregation.
On a more "liturgical" note, as a Catholic, I can't help saying how surprised I am to see the consecration of the bread and wine being made in high Protestant churches with the minister facing the altar and turning his back to the congregation as it used to be the case in the past in the Roman Catholic Church, but has since been long abandoned.
I believe there was a Thanksgiving Mass before King Philippe's enthronement, but I don't think it was televised. King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia famously had a public enthronment mass too, but the tradition was discontinued by King Felipe. According to the Spanish posters, King Felipe attended a private mass later on.
I think it is natural for monarchs who are sincerely religious like the Belgians to attend a church ceremony prior to their enthronement. The question is to what extent that should be private or public. Royal weddings and funerals are public, even though they are also religious ceremonies of a confessional nature, so I am unsure about that.
Regarding Louise and James on the Balcony, I think that its fine. They are still young, live at home and not set up in households with Spouses and Children.
I think that The Edinburgh's are finally in the last 3 years getting the recognition deserved as dignified, dependable and solid Senior Royals. Without fanfare too.
Their Children are in a "kinda* different position to their much older cousins, Peter, Zara and The York Girls. I doubt the Cousins really cared. Hope not anyway.
The now Edinburgh Family all seem appear to be great favorites with The Wales Family too. And Louise is attending St Andrew's University too. Where William and Kate met.
I believe there was a Thanksgiving Mass before King Philippe's enthronement, but I don't think it was televised.
Hi!
Does anyone know the family in the photo sitting in the front row across from the Royal family?
There was no gapping whole. It is very usual only two people facing the horses sitting in a carriage! All seats taken in a carriage is more unusual.James and Louise were not supposed to be in the Procession - they were literally added yesterday to aviod two gapping holes in the carriage caused by the lack of the Duke of Kent and Princess Alexander. I guess it was easier to place them in the carriage then selecting the York sisters or Andrew. Or leaving it open and have the press say it was meant for the Sussex;s.
I think it was just easier from then to allow then on the balcony. They could have waited with the Ladies in Waiting.
Off topic - but there is definitely something going on there with the Edinburgh's and Charles - from the titles to the change. We will just to wait and see.
Does anyone know why the Wales family were behind Charles and Camilla in the entrance procession - I’ve read varying accounts of whether it was planned to be like that vs a last minute change.
Why would there be a religious ceremony to mark the beginning of a new reign if for example the monarch would not longer be the Supreme Governor of the Church of England, and the CoE wouldn't have a special place anymore? Other monarchies also mark the beginning of a new reign but do so with a civil ceremony (that can also be made to look rather majestic - but won't have the same feel of partaking in an old and holy ritual) instead of a religious one.