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Snort. He has a whole bag of trauma and mistreatments and disabilities and causes he can pull from when he wants to be a SJW And/or act Woke when it’s suits him or his wifey of course.
 
Prinsara said:
So why not mention it? Why not give Bea a hand with her patronages in the past? Why not talk about how it's been a struggle for him? He's been willing to share his awful traumas and the mental health problems that came from that. He could have been hugely inspiring to kids who have trouble at school. But for some reason it's just been left ambiguous. Even now, when he seeks activism and sympathy, it's never brought up. It's puzzling.
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he doesn't have to mention it, and royals dont usually "join up" with other royals on their patronages. There are royals who are dyslexic and are willing to share their experiences, which may be a help to some people, so why should Harry mention it if he does not want to. It may be that they consider dyslexia is Bea's patronage and leave it to her
 
Denville said:
he doesn't have to mention it, and royals dont usually "join up" with other royals on their patronages. There are royals who are dyslexic and are willing to share their experiences, which may be a help to some people, so why should Harry mention it if he does not want to. It may be that they consider dyslexia is Bea's patronage and leave it to her
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And when Harry still chooses to mention nearly every other issue in his life, and Bea (to my knowledge) has never said "my cousin has the same thing", the suggestion is either that Harry has never been formally diagnosed, or that his learning issues and problems are something else, rather than "other royals talk about dyslexia but Harry doesn't want to".
 
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Prinsara said:
And when Harry still chooses to mention nearly every other issue in his life, and Bea (to my knowledge) has never said "my cousin has the same thing", the suggestion is either that Harry has never been formally diagnosed, or that his learning issues and problems are something else, rather than "other royals talk about dyslexia but Harry doesn't want to".
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Royals dont usually, as far as I know, mention each other's problems or jump in on each other's patronages. Harry HAS apparently said he's dyslexic.. whether he was formally diagnosed or he knows that he has difficulties with reading etc....and feels that he has got dyslexia.. But there's no need IMO for him to mention it any further. He has indeed talked about a lot of mental health issues - IMO he's shared rather a lot of stuff, so if his dyslexia isn't something he wants to talk about, why should he? There is no obligation to share all on'es problems with the world, and its quite possible to become a patron on some issue without sharing that issue oneself.
 
Iluvbertie said:
William didn't get the 'worst A levels' in his year. Harry did but not William.

William did get the A levels required for St Andrews that year. To get into History of Art now takes a higher level than he got 20 years ago but he did meet the standard required when he went there. He was absolutely insistent that he would go to a uni or do a course for which he didn't get the grades, unlike his father and uncle who both went to Cambridge although neither had the grades for that university.

William got 3 A levels - 2 As and a C

Harry got 3 A levels - 1 B and 1 D

Catherine got 3 A levels - 2 As and 1 B (although another site I have seen says it was 1 A, 1B and 1C)

Beatrice had 1 A and 2 Bs while Eugenie earned 2 As and 1 B.
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According to this Tatler article, their grades were as follows:
William: A in Geography; B in Art; C in Biology (12 GCSEs) - graduated from university with a 2:1 in Geography
Catherine: A in Maths; A in Art; B in English (11 GCSEs) - graduated from university with a 2:1 in History of Art
Harry: B in Art; D in Geography (11 GCSEs)
Beatrice: A in Drama; B in History; B in Film studies (9 GCSEs, including 2A*) - graduated from university with a 2:1 in History and History of Ideas
Eugenie: A in Art; A in English Literature; B in History of Art (9 GCSEs, including 2 A*s, 4 As, 3 Bs) - graduated from university with a 2:1 in English Literature, History of Arts and Politics (Combined BA Honours Degree)

Previous generation:
Charles: B in History; C in French (5 O-levels/GCSEs) - graduated from university with a 2:2 in History
Anne: 3 A levels in English, History and Politics; grades are unknown (6 O-levels)
Andrew: 3 A levels in English, History and Politics; grades are unknown (6 O-levels)
Edward: C in English; D in History; D in Politics (9 O-levels) - graduated from university with a 2:2 in History
 
Charles now speaks perfect French, despite the "C". Just goes to show that grades are not always necessarily reflective of a person's abilities.
 
Moonmaiden23 said:
Charles now speaks perfect French, despite the "C". Just goes to show that grades are not always necessarily reflective of a person's abilities.
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French conversation is not what the A-level consists of, at least not more than a part.
 
:previous: Pretty intense, no doubt about that! Thank you.
 
King George III was the first king to study science as part of his education. He had his own astronomical observatory.
 
Prinsara said:
And when Harry still chooses to mention nearly every other issue in his life, and Bea (to my knowledge) has never said "my cousin has the same thing", the suggestion is either that Harry has never been formally diagnosed, or that his learning issues and problems are something else, rather than "other royals talk about dyslexia but Harry doesn't want to".
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Also, Beatrice talking about her dyslexia and getting a patronage for it is separate because she’s not a working royal and her patronage’s are ones she’s earned.
 
Education and careers of Queen Elizabeth II's grandchildren:

Prince William:
In 2001, William enrolled at the University of St Andrews in Scotland. Similar to his time at Eton, the media agreed not to invade William's privacy, and students were warned not to leak stories to the press. He embarked on a degree course in Art History, later changing his main subject to Geography.

Prince Harry:
Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, also attended Eton; Harry does not have a university degree but completed ten months of officer commissioning training at the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst.

Princess Beatrice:
In September 2008, Beatrice started a three-year course studying for a BA in history and history of ideas at Goldsmiths, University of London. She graduated in 2011 with a 2:1 degree.

Princess Eugenie:
Eugenie began studying at Newcastle University in September 2009. She graduated in 2012 with a 2:1 degree in English Literature and History of Art.

Zara Philips:
She studied at the University of Exeter and qualified as a physiotherapist.

Peter Phillips:
He attended the University of Exeter and graduated with a degree in sports science.

Lady Louise:
Lady Louise started studying English at the University of St Andrews in September 2022.

James, Earl of Wessex:
As of 2020, James attended Eagle House School, a coeducational preparatory school near Sandhurst in Berkshire.

What do Eugenie, Beatrice, Zara and Peter do professionally?
 
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Blog Real said:
Education and careers of Queen Elizabeth II's grandchildren:

Prince William:
In 2001, William enrolled at the University of St Andrews in Scotland. Similar to his time at Eton, the media agreed not to invade William's privacy, and students were warned not to leak stories to the press. He embarked on a degree course in Art History, later changing his main subject to Geography.

Prince Harry:
Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, also attended Eton; Harry does not have a university degree but completed ten months of officer commissioning training at the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst.

Princess Beatrice:
In September 2008, Beatrice started a three-year course studying for a BA in history and history of ideas at Goldsmiths, University of London. She graduated in 2011 with a 2:1 degree.

Princess Eugenie:
Eugenie began studying at Newcastle University in September 2009. She graduated in 2012 with a 2:1 degree in English Literature and History of Art.

Zara Philips:
She studied at the University of Exeter and qualified as a physiotherapist.

Peter Phillips:
He attended the University of Exeter and graduated with a degree in sports science.

Lady Louise:
Lady Louise started studying English at the University of St Andrews in September 2022.

James, Earl of Wessex:
As of 2020, James attended Eagle House School, a coeducational preparatory school near Sandhurst in Berkshire.

What do Eugenie, Beatrice, Zara and Peter do professionally?
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Eagle House only goes to 13. James must have gone elsewhere by now?

Eugenie is a partner or director in a gallery. Beatrice is into business. Zara gas her sports career and Peter has his hand in business pies.
 
FigTree said:
Eagle House only goes to 13. James must have gone elsewhere by now?

Eugenie is a partner or director in a gallery. Beatrice is into business. Zara gas her sports career and Peter has his hand in business pies.
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I'm sure I've read before James is at Wellington College, but I can't find a source for it.
 
Blog Real said:
Education and careers of Queen Elizabeth II's grandchildren:

Prince William:
In 2001, William enrolled at the University of St Andrews in Scotland. Similar to his time at Eton, the media agreed not to invade William's privacy, and students were warned not to leak stories to the press. He embarked on a degree course in Art History, later changing his main subject to Geography.

Prince Harry:
Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, also attended Eton; Harry does not have a university degree but completed ten months of officer commissioning training at the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst.

Princess Beatrice:
In September 2008, Beatrice started a three-year course studying for a BA in history and history of ideas at Goldsmiths, University of London. She graduated in 2011 with a 2:1 degree.

Princess Eugenie:
Eugenie began studying at Newcastle University in September 2009. She graduated in 2012 with a 2:1 degree in English Literature and History of Art.

Zara Philips:
She studied at the University of Exeter and qualified as a physiotherapist.

Peter Phillips:
He attended the University of Exeter and graduated with a degree in sports science.

Lady Louise:
Lady Louise started studying English at the University of St Andrews in September 2022.

James, Earl of Wessex:
As of 2020, James attended Eagle House School, a coeducational preparatory school near Sandhurst in Berkshire.

What do Eugenie, Beatrice, Zara and Peter do professionally?
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Eugenie is director for Hauser and wirth in London. Many of the 'vacations' she has gone on over the years especially the US are actually business trips.

https://www.hauserwirth.com/

Beatrice has spent six years working in business with Afiniti.

https://www.afiniti.com/


And on top of her other patronages, she is also a founder and on the board for 'Big Change' a foundation she helped develop Holly and Sam Branson and other friends. Again some of her 'party vacations' as the DM called them were actually fundraiser trips for Big Change (marathons and such she did abroad).

https://www.big-change.org/about/who-we-are/trustees-and-founders/

Peter worked for Jaguar and a Formula 1 racing team for years over seas and then RBS. He now works for SEL UK (He has since 2012).

https://www.uk-sel.com/team/peter-phillips/

Zara has always been busy with riding and her paid sponsorships. But she also breeds and trains horses like her mom. And since 2020 has been a director for the Cheltenham racecourse.

https://www.thejockeyclub.co.uk/cheltenham/about/racecourse-committee/
 
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According to this Tatler article, their grades were as follows:
William: A in Geography; B in Art; C in Biology (12 GCSEs) - graduated from university with a 2:1 in Geography
Catherine: A in Maths; A in Art; B in English (11 GCSEs) - graduated from university with a 2:1 in History of Art
Harry: B in Art; D in Geography (11 GCSEs)
Beatrice: A in Drama; B in History; B in Film studies (9 GCSEs, including 2A*) - graduated from university with a 2:1 in History and History of Ideas
Eugenie: A in Art; A in English Literature; B in History of Art (9 GCSEs, including 2 A*s, 4 As, 3 Bs) - graduated from university with a 2:1 in English Literature, History of Arts and Politics (Combined BA Honours Degree)

Previous generation:
Charles: B in History; C in French (5 O-levels/GCSEs) - graduated from university with a 2:2 in History
Anne: 3 A levels in English, History and Politics; grades are unknown (6 O-levels)
Andrew: 3 A levels in English, History and Politics; grades are unknown (6 O-levels)
Edward: C in English; D in History; D in Politics (9 O-levels) - graduated from university with a 2:2 in History
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So, William's generation improved academically over the previous one. Or was it grade inflation? Academic requirements to get into university were also higher in William's generation (3 A-Levels and typically at least 9 GCSEs, with some royals doing 11-12 , compared to 2 A-Levels and 6 O-Levels in the previous generation).

Catherine in particular was a quite good pupil (AAB with an A in a tough A-Level subject such as Maths). It surprises me, however, how Charles and Edward got into Cambridge.
 
I'm not sure how to read these grades.
"William:
  • A in Geography;
  • B in Art;
  • C in Biology
(12 GCSEs) - graduated from university with a 2:1 in Geography.
Graduated from university with a 2:1 in Geography"

The first part makes me think William only did his final exams in three subjects. But then what do the 12 GCSEs mean?
And what is a 2:1 in Geography? Is that like an A, or a B? Or a percentage, like he got 2/3 correct?
 
SLV said:
I'm not sure how to read these grades.
"William:
  • A in Geography;
  • B in Art;
  • C in Biology
(12 GCSEs) - graduated from university with a 2:1 in Geography.
Graduated from university with a 2:1 in Geography"

The first part makes me think William only did his final exams in three subjects. But then what do the 12 GCSEs mean?
And what is a 2:1 in Geography? Is that like an A, or a B? Or a percentage, like he got 2/3 correct?
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From what I understand (the British members can explain better), GCSEs are exams that the students in England take at the end of Year 11. Normally a university-bound student takes at least 9 GCSEs (for example English Language, English Literature, Maths, Physics, Chemistry, Biology, History, Geography, and a foreign or classical language), but some may take more (12 in William's case).

In Years 12 and 13, they study only 3 or 4 subjects in greater depth culminating in the A-Level exams at the end of Year 13.Three A-Level exams are the standard to get into a university degree course, but some students take four. The choice of subjects might depend on your intended university course. For example, if you want to study Engineering, you normally have to take A-Level Maths and A-Level Physics, while A-Level Further Maths is strongly recommended. To get into a Medicine degree course, you normally need A-Level Chemistry plus two other Science (or Maths) A-Levels, preferably A-Level Biology among them too. There is greater flexibility in terms of choice to get into Humanities, or Social Sciences degrees although Economics for example also requires A-Level Maths.

The former PM Rishi Sunak wanted to change the system such that all university-bound students would have to take 5 subjects in Years 12 and 13 (including at least one English and one Maths subject) rather than 3 or 4, but, in Sunak's proposal, 2 of the 5 subjects would be studied at a lower level of depth than in the current standard A-Level. The Labour Party won, however, the July 2024 general election and buried Sunak's reform plans.

So basically GCSEs certify breadth of knowledge and you are expected to take exams in subjects from different knowledge areas. GCSE subjects would be equivalent to standard High School subjects in North America although they are studied in Years 10 and 11 (i.e., at a younger age than that of a U.S. High School senior for example). A-Level exams on the other hand certify depth of knowledge in specialist subjects. An A-Level subject course would be equivalent to AP courses in North America (perhaps a bit more advanced) or, more accurately, first-year university courses in the United States.
 
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Mbruno said:
From what I understand (the British members can explain better), GCSEs are exams that the students in England take at the end of Year 11. Normally a university-bound student takes at least 9 GCSEs (for example English Language, English Literature, Maths, Physics, Chemistry, Biology, History, Geography, and a foreign or classical language), but some may take more (12 in William's case).

In Years 12 and 13, they study only 3 or 4 subjects in greater depth culminating in the A-Level exams at the end of Year 13.Three A-Level exams are the standard to get into a university degree course, but some students take four. The choice of subjects might depend on your intended university course. For example, if you want to study Engineering, you normally have to take A-Level Maths and A-Level Physics, while A-Level Further Maths is strongly recommended. To get into a Medicine degree course, you normally need A-Level Chemistry plus two other Science (or Maths) A-Levels, preferably A-Level Biology among them too. There is greater flexibility in terms of choice to get into Humanities, or Social Sciences degrees although Economics for example also requires A-Level Maths.

The former PM Rishi Sunak wanted to change the system such that all university-bound students would have to take 5 subjects in Years 12 and 13 (including at least one English and one Maths subject) rather than 3 or 4, but, in Sunak's proposal, 2 of the 5 subjects would be studied at a lower level of depth than in the current standard A-Level. The Labour Party won, however, the July 2024 general election and buried Sunak's reform plans.

So basically GCSEs certify breadth of knowledge and you are expected to take exams in subjects from different knowledge areas. GCSE subjects would be equivalent to standard High School subjects in North America although they are studied in Years 10 and 11 (i.e., at a younger age than that of a U.S. High School senior for example). A-Level exams on the other hand certify depth of knowledge in specialist subjects. An A-Level subject course would be equivalent to AP courses in North America (perhaps a bit more advanced) or, more accurately, first-year university courses in the United States.
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Well put!

You do typically do about 10-11 GCSE's, taken around age 16.

For "A-levels", which are the school leaving exams that you take aged 18, you typically only study 3 subjects. Some do 4, but the requirement is only 3 subjects.
 
Re the 2:1 degree, there are five classes of university degree - a first (the highest class), a 2:1 (upper second), a 2:2 (lower second), a third, and a basic pass. The majority of people get a 2:1 - although again, with grade inflation, more people are getting firsts than they were when William was at university.
 
Grades have got higher and the system more pressurised. No real actual real world difference.

An easier way to read it would be: all three of the girls given their educational opportunities did well. Catherine perhaps a bit better. William was average. Harry didn’t do well.
 
FigTree said:
Grades have got higher and the system more pressurised. No real actual real world difference.

An easier way to read it would be: all three of the girls given their educational opportunities did well. Catherine perhaps a bit better. William was average. Harry didn’t do well.
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I'd say Eugenie probably did best. She had very high grades for her GSCE and did a combined honours degree for her Bachelor.

Eugenie: A in Art; A in English Literature; B in History of Art (9 GCSEs, including 2 A*s, 4 As, 3 Bs) - graduated from university with a 2:1 in English Literature, History of Arts and Politics (Combined BA Honours Degree)
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Interestingly, it seems none of them got a master's degree - which would definitely be expected in the Netherlands (as well as Belgium, Spain and Luxembourg?).
 
Somebody said:
I'd say Eugenie probably did best. She had very high grades for her GSCE and did a combined honours degree for her Bachelor.



Interestingly, it seems none of them got a master's degree - which would definitely be expected in the Netherlands (as well as Belgium, Spain and Luxembourg?).
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Kate would have done the best, getting an A in maths. There is nothing more or less about a combined degree. It’s just two or even three subjects. It makes no difference. No none of them did a masters. It wouldn’t be part of your degree and you would have to apply separately. Both Kate and William technically do have master degrees as that’s what it’s called in Scotland. However, that is just semantics.
 
Somebody said:
I'd say Eugenie probably did best. She had very high grades for her GSCE and did a combined honours degree for her Bachelor.



Interestingly, it seems none of them got a master's degree - which would definitely be expected in the Netherlands (as well as Belgium, Spain and Luxembourg?).
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William didn't get a psotgraduate master's degree, but he went intto the officer's commissioning course at the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst after St Andrew's and also had some training in the Navy and, of course, the Air Force, where he qualified as a helicopter pilot. None of the above leads to another academic degree, but I believe it is far to say that he had considerable specialist technical training in the military beyond his 4-year Scottish undergraduate master's degree in Geography.





Scottish university degree in Geography.
 
In the UK about 6% of graduates go on to a postgraduate course so the RF in this regard are not unusual.
 
Mbruno said:
It surprises me, however, how Charles and Edward got into Cambridge.
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Er, they are members of a privileged class, and this was slightly before we we are all became less deferential and didn’t particularly question things. From what I know Charles got a third but probably would have done better if he hadn’t gone to Wales and studied there.
 
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