Queen Margrethe II & Prince Henrik, Current Events Part 4: Jan. 2013 - November 2015


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:previous: Thanks. There are always someone in the know, no matter how strange the subject. :cheers:

I add my thanks and am grateful for the wide ranging knowledge on this forum! The walking stick is indeed (I can't help use the word:lol:) striking. A few weeks ago I was on a plane to Chicago and I saw a large-ish person carrying this stick and I immediately said 'Margaret Mead!' even though this famous anthropologist died in 1978. The person turned and said 'yes'. but I doubt I was talking to Margaret Mead's ghost: perhaps it was HRH Prince Henrik:flowers:
 
A video from BT showing Prince Henrik at the royal hunt at Grib Forest today. (Located near Fredensborg): Få timer efter bisættelsen: Her er Prins Henrik på jagt | www.bt.dk

He bid the hunters welcome then went to the funeral, before returning to the hunt later on. ... Well, personally I consider this inappropriate. .

Muhler, I promise I won't be gloating too much :flowers:!, but somehow, my unscientific and inexplicable female intuition told me it was going to happen!

viv
 
:previous: And you sure were right. :)

And I still find it inappropriate.
 
Some trivia about Prince Henrik from Billed Bladet #3, 2014.
Written by Annelise Weimann.

As you know PH attended the funeral of Countess Anne Dorte at the same time as he hosted a royal hunt.
Fourteen had been invited to the hunt and they were transported to the site in horse-drawn carriages.
Here they were welcomed by PH, wearing his funeral attire beneath a green hunting cape.
It was pouring down which wasn't ideal weather for a hunt.

Having attended the funeral PH returned to the hunting ground just in time for the soup, served on site and here he told our reporter about his birthday which will be celebrated in France: "I look forward to celebrating my 80th birthday in France, surrounded by my family. That'll be lovely and just as I want it. But whether I look forward to turning 80? No, that I do not".

M&f as well as J&M will be thare at Chateau Cayx.

Due to the weather, the hunt had a modest outcome, only eleven pieces of game were shot.

Thanks for the details Muhler.

If all the family are attending the party in France who will be Rigsforstander ( I think this is correct) for that period? I can only think Princess Benedikte as Princess Elisabeth has not been well this may rule her out.
 
Thanks for the details Muhler.

If all the family are attending the party in France who will be Rigsforstander ( I think this is correct) for that period? I can only think Princess Benedikte as Princess Elisabeth has not been well this may rule her out.

You're welcome. :)

That's a good question.

Perhaps they'll take turns?

Say Joachim is Rigsforstander (you got that absolutely right, only Frederik can be Regent) before the main celebrations in France.
Benedikte is there during the main celebrations. It would be only natural that PH's sons would be there.
And Frederik return to man the fort afterwards, while Joachim and our Marie also visit her relatives in France.

I don't think Elisabeth will be Rigsforstander, she's not well and she has not done that before, so why start now?



And now for something many of you may be familiar with.

Summary of a Q&A in Billed Bladet #04, 2014.

Where a Line Kristiansen would like to know something about the Margrethe Bowl.

Jon Bloch Skipper replies that the in Denmark almost universal bowl, because it's virtually impossible to wear out, was designed 60 years ago by the Danish designer Jacob Jensen, working for the design bureau Sigvard Bernadotte and Acton Bjørn.
It was designed in two days and with the permission of the DRF named after Sigvard Bernadotte's niece, Princess Margrethe.

Until now some 45 million bowls have been sold by the company Rosti.

You can see it here: https://app.box.com/s/kkwenwxev2mplhzr9x9w

Like I said, it's to be found in virtually every home here in DK. There are of course cheaper copies, because a genuine Margrethe Bowl is not cheap, but they are simply not as durable.

ADDED: Here are the bowls from Rosti: http://www.rosti-mepal.dk/tilberedning/margrethe-skaale.aspx
And here in DK, where things admittedly are not cheap, a genuine Margrethe Bowl can easily cost more than 15€.
 
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Thank you so much for this insight into Danish domesticity! Of course I am wondering how the Margrethe bowl is used: it being a queenly thing, is it given a place of honour and bowed to when necessary or, being a practical addition to the family, is it used as a mixing bowl (my first impression!):flowers:
 
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:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:Of course I am wondering how the Margrethe bowl is used: it being a queenly thing, is it given a place of honour and bowed to when necessary

Gerry:
I must say you have a really great sense of humor, lolololololo!
Elizabeth
 
Thank you so much for this insight into Danish domesticity! Of course I am wondering how the Margrethe bowl is used: it being a queenly thing, is it given a place of honour and bowed to when necessary or, being a practical addition to the family, is it used as a mixing bowl (my first impression!):flowers:

You can place it on your head for that matter and use it as a chrash helmet - or alternatively as a template for a haircut. :p
 
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Yesterday, January 23, Prince Henrik attended a performance of the poetry-music-theatre piece "Your lips whisper in my ear" (Opus 2) at The Court Theatre in Copenhagen.



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Jyllands Posten informs us that the Regent Couple will attend the finals in the European Championships in handball in the town of Herning on Sunday. Where the Danish team will fight against France.

Some of the grandchildren will also be present.

Dronningen tager børnebørn med til guldkamp - Håndbold - Sport

It is not known why M&F nor M&J will not attend.
 
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You're welcome. :)

That's a good question.

Perhaps they'll take turns?

Say Joachim is Rigsforstander (you got that absolutely right, only Frederik can be Regent) before the main celebrations in France.
Benedikte is there during the main celebrations. It would be only natural that PH's sons would be there.
And Frederik return to man the fort afterwards, while Joachim and our Marie also visit her relatives in France.

I don't think Elisabeth will be Rigsforstander, she's not well and she has not done that before, so why start now?

Thanks for the information Muhler, sorry for being so late in replying however I have been a little busy.
Is it a possibility that for the first time they have no Regent or Rigsforstander?

Also Prince Henrik's birthday is on the 11th June, I presume that the celebrations will be around this date, does Denmark have school holidays in June?
 
:previous: No I can't imagine that would happen. We have seen before that no matter how big an event is, someone always stay home in DK.

The school holidays start at the end of June. That means that Felix and Nikolai and perhaps Christian as well, will most likely only attend during weekends.
 
Henrik is currently traveling to Indonesia as patron of the WWF

"HRH Prince Consort participates as President of WWF Denmark in travel to Indonesia on 30 January 6th February .

Prince Consort accompanied on the journey of director general of WWF Denmark Gitte Seeberg and partners who provide support for WWF's work in the Coral Triangle in Indonesia. On the tour visited various WWF projects , including a turtle center in Bali. The center is working to increase awareness of sea turtles and their habitats and tries including through information and monitoring of the turtles to stop the illegal trade in animals.

On the journey visiting the Prince Consort additionally islands Komodo and Rinca , which is part of the Komodo National Park. The national park was established in 1980 to protect komodovaranerne , the world's greatest living øgleart . The National Park protects today also the islands' other wildlife, and WWF work in the park to protect havnaturen and ensure sustainable harvesting of fish.

Additionally, visited the village Cecer of Flores , where WWF works to protect the rainforest.

In 1972, the Prince Consort took the initiative to found the World Wildlife Fund in Denmark ."
Rejse til Indonesien - Kongehuset
 
:previous: Thanks Polyesco. :flowers:

Summary of article in Billed Bladet #7, 2014.
Written by Annelise Weimann.

Yes, while his sons and their families went to the Alps and QMII is going to Norway, Prince Henrik had more sense and went to Bali.
PH founded the Danish chapter of the World Wildlife Foundation 40 years ago and it was in this capacity he went to Indonesia along with general secretaty in WWF, Gitte Seeberg.
One of the stops wat to the turtle-centre Serengan, where PH let lose 100 turtles into the sea that had been bred at the centre .
Then it was off to see monito lizards at a reservation esatblished in 1980. The several meter long lizards can be dangerous so rangers as well as PH were armed with long sticks and maintained a safe distance.
After this little experience it was time for some snorkling. A not unwelcome duty, as the temperature inBali is 30 degrees C.
He and the entire delegation, numbering 21 people dived to see corals. Unfortunately these corals are in danger, not from pollution but from anchors, so buoys are being dropped to mark areas off bounds for anchoring boats.

PH said afterwards: "I have yet once more been very pleased to take part in a trip with WWF. In that way I can with my own eyes see how important the work is. And it's always nice to be with others who are motivated in supporting nature".

BB is up.
 
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BB informs us that Prince Henrik will be patron of the Tunø Festival, a jazz music festival, which take place every year on a very small island off the coast of East Jutland called Tunø = Tuna Island.
Tunø Festivalen får kongelig protektor | Billed Bladet

In fact PH has on several occasions visited the festival incognito with a few friends when the Regent Couple have been on holiday in Aarhus. He simply hitch a ride on a boat from Dannebrog and sail to the island.
As the population on the island during the festival increases few a few thousand percent I guess he can mingle with the crowd.

- In recent years we have seen PH passing on a number of his protections on to younger members of the DRF as he is increasingly going on retirement. However, I think it's safe to say that this is not as much a duty as a pleasure, which I believe is why he has become patron.
That also means that we will see him at the festival this year.
 
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British Museum ‏@britishmuseum 26 mins
Queen Margrethe II of Denmark is now giving a speech featuring Sweyn Forkbeard, one of her forebears...

http://t.co/JChplAxCLv
 
VIDEO Dronning Margrethe begejstret for kæmpe vikingeskib | Nyheder | DR

And here is an excerpt from an interview to DR1, where QMII is talking about the exhibition and about the Viking age and let me make it absolutely clear: this is QMII on her homeground! She knows exactly what she is talking about.

The only thing that annoys her slightly is the continuous and popular depiction of Vikings with horned helmets, but that's because she's a bit of a nerd she admits.
(Vikings never wore horns on their helmets, that's a Keltic and partly Germannic costum. The Vikings wore state of the art conical helmets which are much better at deflecting a sword blow. Horns would be a downright danger in that respect).

I should love to hear her give a lecture about Svend Tveskæg = Swein Forkbeard, who is indeed her direct ancestor and the third (official) King of Denmark. His father was Harald Bluetooth, who is claimed (for political reasons) to have Christened the Danes. His son, Svend, took a somewhat different view.

Let's have a look at Vikings as they actually looked at the time of Svend Tveskæg/Swein Forkbeard.

https://app.box.com/s/vkk5i1oor0vea5bec4ry
First we have a group of Viking Raiders. As you can see they are well suited for their role, which is basically highly mobile marine infantry.
Well equipped and very well armed, combined with a culture where combat and dying in combat was something you sought as that determined your status in Valhalla and also determined your memory in this world, local millitias were rarely a match for the raiders. Especially as Viking warriors lived and was hardened in a world of constant small scale warfare. Being free men who lived on a good diet they were also generally physically bigger than their Western European adversaries who often came from peasant stock in a feudal society where only the wealthy ate protein rich meat on a regular basis.
As you can see they were also very vain. Every self respecting Viking was most careful about his appearance, especially the beard and the hair. But also clothes.
It is said that English women found Vikings attractive because they, in contrast to English men, took a bath every week. On Saturdays in fact. A thing that was common up until less than a hundred years ago.

https://app.box.com/s/q8ylnjyow5s25j62xq5l
This is life!
Plunder, honor, a good good drink and comeraderie - and a good bargain.
In fact as QMII also points out Vikings were eminent at adapting to the local conditions. If it was more profitable to trade, they did so. Was it better to raid the next town, they did so.
England, Ireland, Iceland and so on (I'll leave the East for another time, but that's equally fascinating) were lands of opportunity. A place you could settle as a free man, whack the locals on their heads if they didn't behave and make a fortune for yourself. Often as merchants or slavetraders or mercenaries.
It didn't take long before they got fully assimillated into the local area and indeed present day English and not least the eastern dialects of full of Scandinavian words and ways of speech. And that went both ways.

But the Vikings also settled in Normandie, intially as a buffer colony. It takes a Viking to beat a Viking was the logic. They very soon adopted a French dialect, adopted the feudal way of life and developed the most formidable heavy cavalry in Europe of the period. And they kept their opportunistic lifestyle.
As you know the Normans conquered England and changed the course of history.
Had that not taken place who knows what would have happened? An American historian has suggested in an alternative version that backed by a North European empire the Viking expeditions to America could have been larger and better organised and perhaps, just perhaps, we would have seen Viking longboats on the Great Lakes, manned by a mix of Vikings and Iroquis. Perhaps we might have seen Aztec ambassadors in Constantinople as well.
Because there would not have been a European conquest of the Americas, the technological edge wasn't big enough.

https://app.box.com/s/pwlr6c0ht2ktyoii4t51
Viking women.
Being the wives of men who were away for months at a time each year, often twice a year and often not knowing if their husband ever returned, they had to be independent and resourceful. And also capable to pick up the sword if need be, because raids in Scandinavia were common.
The woman to the left, is the mistress of the farm. You can tell from her tools and keys hanging visibly from her belt, a symbol of her status. As a married woman she wear a head scarf.
The young woman in the middle is unmarried, signified by keeping her haid uncovered. You will notice that they wear short sleeves. Bare forearms were sexy.
The third elderly woman to the right is also a member of the family, probably a widow. And pretty well of. Their men have been good providers in regards to plunder and/or trade.
And the women were just as vain as the men.
A Viking farm consisted of an extended family. A few adult males (old men were rare, they were expected to and indeed wished to die before growing old), a number of adult women. Perhaps ten adults alltogether and a similar number of children and young teenagers. And a handfull of slaves as well.
The slaves, thralls, were not free and they had few rights, but they were generally not mistreated for the simple reason that within such a small community everybody relied on everybody else. And often they became an accepted part of the family.
When the husband was away the whole thing, including security, rested on the shoulders on the mistress of the farm. Even when the husband was at home, he rarely intervened in the daily running of the household, that was the sole responsibillity of the mistress or alternatively a widow appointed as mistress, what would in later centuries become a matron.

Finally. The Vikings were not a people but a class of free warriors, mechants, adventures and mercenaries. To go out on such an adventure was to go "Viking". The rest of the population, slaves, minor farmers, laboures, specialists, priests and so on mainly stayed at home.
 
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:previous:thank you so much for the background info Muhler:flowers:
always appreciate it.

You can tell the Queen is in her element
 
Mange tak Muhler! I had read about this exhibit and am delighted that HM Queen Margrethe came to open it with a speech that I do hope will be broadcast and posted somewhere on youtube! Wonderful publicity for Denmark; I am reminded of John Donaldson's wedding speech to his daughter where he specifically mentions the Vikings and their marauding tactics; no doubt an extra reason for Queen Margrethe's smile:flowers:
 
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Your reminder of pirates eating good food and growing in leisure make me want to do one of the many things that one can do by joining the guard or armed forces where you can be infantry and be amongst the elements in the world's vast environmental landings. I've read of various adventures through reading such as Jack London's travails in the Klondike and other author's ventures into the unchartered and parasitic like Treasure Island or Gulliver's Travels or Robinson Curusoe or even in adventure in Bram Stoker's Dracula. But nothing can beat possibly joining the adventurous armed forces of one's country or origin and training in different terrain. Your meant to be unstoppable as a cadet or soldier and it feels they go over and beyond expectations and cultural norms. I recommend it to anyone. You may never regret it. Peace George. Nice read Muhler.
 
This is from the Court Circular - I was wondering if a member of BRF was present


6th March, 2014
The Duke of Gloucester, Royal Patron, the British Museum, and The Duchess of Gloucester this evening attended the opening of an Exhibition entitled “Vikings - Life and Legend”, followed by a Dinner at the British Museum, Great Russell Street, London WC1.
 
You are welcome Polyesco & gerry :)

Your reminder of pirates eating good food and growing in leisure make me want to do one of the many things that one can do by joining the guard or armed forces where you can be infantry and be amongst the elements in the world's vast environmental landings. I've read of various adventures through reading such as Jack London's travails in the Klondike and other author's ventures into the unchartered and parasitic like Treasure Island or Gulliver's Travels or Robinson Curusoe or even in adventure in Bram Stoker's Dracula. But nothing can beat possibly joining the adventurous armed forces of one's country or origin and training in different terrain. Your meant to be unstoppable as a cadet or soldier and it feels they go over and beyond expectations and cultural norms. I recommend it to anyone. You may never regret it. Peace George. Nice read Muhler.

I'll look it up, Penny Royalty. :)

The food and living conditions of soldiers (and Vikings), was especially evident during WWI, where it was time and time again noticed how Australian and American soldiers were in general taller and bigger than their European counterparts, who had more often than not grown up in industrial slum in heavily polluted areas or lived an existance in poverty as farmhands or tenants.
While the Australians and Americans had a more protein rich diet than Europeans, they also often had a rural background as well, which meant they were fit. But more crucially because they lived on farms owned by themselves and on much bigger lands, the surplus generated went to themselves, which meant they could afford to slaughter more animals for food and they had better opportunities for fishing and hunting as a supplement to their diet.

Around 1850 general conscription was introduced in DK and from then on statistics regarding the height of potential recruits have been kept. In 1850 the average recruit was around 1.64 cm = 5'5'' and the vast majority had a rural background, was fit and had had a reasonable good diet.
Nowadays the average (male) recruit is around 181 cm = 5'11'' and it has remained so for the past 20 years.
The average height for a Viking warrior was some 173 cm = 5'8''.
People from the hunter-gather-fishing societies in the Stoneage appeared to even taller than the Vikings, but there is too little material for statistics.
 
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Interesting appraisal or assessment Muhler. It's particularly apparent if one is sociated with physical affinity of the not so distant hereditary traits of a populace of the past where humans were masters of their domain and contributed to living fitted as if they were kings of their terrain and kind. There are many examples of courage filled men in historic times where the different nations or kingdoms battled, fought or pursued different eventual endings to ascertain a result from conflict, and trouble to enbetter the sake of all's well being. The respect the ancestor's continue to relay upon study or investing of one in historical documentation is where I hope we don't get it wrong, for then we are to follow what was or may not have been actual. It's a dear crime to fathom a misrepresentation of actual placing of one's revealing reguard for who we are or may eventually be. It's good to be just in knowing what is true in judgement for fairedness in the way mankind may play. Nice writing to you Muhler. It's interesting who you relay. Soldiers and even Vikings or pirates are another world from another day. Let's hope they don't get torpedoed by aliens that can time travel battleships from our nowadays. :lol: Cheers, good bye.
 
I love watching the show "Vikings" on the History channel. The stuff just fascinates me.
 
Indeed, Penny Royalty, indeed. :)

I love watching the show "Vikings" on the History channel. The stuff just fascinates me.

Yes, no wonder QMII was absolutely electric. :D

I've seen the first, how many were there? Four or six episodes? Of that series as well. It's surprisingly good and pretty accurate in regards to costums, clothing, women's roles and tactics.
There are a couple of mistakes however. Local kings/chieftains at that time (late 700's) were elected and did not wield that much power and it certainly wasn't a semi-feudal society. The feudal society didn't come to DK until well into the 1100's. Only national kings were able to excersize that power (and only when they were strong enough) and they were constantly on the move.
There is no way a free man like Regnar Lodbrog would consider the local king a "lord". He might become a follower, to death and beyond, but he would not be subserviant.

The ship-burial and the communal daily-grooming is historically accurate and faithfully depicted in every detail.
There were human sacrifices in DK at that time. Usually thralls (slaves) being hanged. But the gathering at the Swedish holy site and having free men sacrificed is new to me, perhaps a mainly Swedish costum?

The legend of Kraka having to come naked yet dressed, fasting but not with a full stomach, alone nor on her own, is very wellknown here. But in the legend Kraka and Regnar got married on the spot.

I think you can also call it "go beserk" :whistling:

You've awakened the nerd, FasterB.

That's a common misconception.

Berserkers were a specific group of warriors often in bands, who were considered to be particularly ferouscious. They appear to have worked themselves into a psycotic state, either through religion or drugs. Some actually considered them quite mad!
In that state they were practically unstoppable. They had also worked themselves up so much that they were in a frenzy and pumped with adrenalin they went beyond the normal physical boundaries for human beings.
Basically they kept on killing or just slashing away at poor innocent trees until they burned themselves out or got killed (and with difficulty! The Black Knight in Monty Python would have been a chicken in comparison).
They also tended to dress in animal skin, simply to enhance the psycological effect, because they were genuinely feared. Hence the name berserker.
The state they were in, when they were high, was called "going berserk".
Normal hardworking people who sailed out to raid, loot, kill and burn were "going viking".

Mind you it may also have had something to do with their upbringing. There is a story about such a berserker, who at the age of five, got slightly agitated and killed an adult thrall. His mother beamed with pride it was noticed! Now, that's a good son.
Of course because berserkers were, to put it mildly, irrational, they tended to die young, so there may have been a limit to how much trouble they caused in the daily lives of ordinary people.
But the berserkers were by no means unique. Such mad cults were common among warrior-peoples all over the world.
 
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