Prince Harry: Relationship Suggestions and Musings 2016-2017

[Lady Marmalade]

While people adore Harry for his down to earth grace and his support and love for his charities....when it comes to her... I am not so sure. Hollywood with Grace Kelly - born and bred Main Line family - compared to this person in of today's Hollywood... I predict it will not go down well or end well.

Catherine, Camilla and Diana all come from Great Britain, they grew up in this culture.

This person with her attitude on her social media not too long ago would need to shut up and conform right away as the British press would eat her alive. The aristocracy, long known for proving blood and breeding count, not celebrity and money, aka the Beckhams would probably turn their noses on this person. Her family, to say the least, is interesting....

We shall see what happens. As I said before, should he marry this person I will choose not to watch and will ignore them and focus on the rest of the family in my adoration.

My right to my view and opinion.

 

[moby]

I'm not a British royals historian but it would be interesting if somebody could compile a list of British princes in history who've had acknowledged and or rumored affairs with stage and screen actors, and opera singers. I'm sure it's a long list. Harry is the latest in that line but with the difference of him being born in an age where a Prince marrying an actor is possible.

 

[Alisa]

While people adore Harry for his down to earth grace and his support and love for his charities....when it comes to her... I am not so sure. Hollywood with Grace Kelly - born and bred Main Line family - compared to this person in of today's Hollywood... I predict it will not go down well or end well.

Catherine, Camilla and Diana all come from Great Britain, they grew up in this culture.

This person with her attitude on her social media not too long ago would need to shut up and conform right away as the British press would eat her alive. The aristocracy, long known for proving blood and breeding count, not celebrity and money, aka the Beckhams would probably turn their noses on this person. Her family, to say the least, is interesting....

We shall see what happens. As I said before, should he marry this person I will choose not to watch and will ignore them and focus on the rest of the family in my adoration.

My right to my view and opinion.

Well in all fairness Catherine too has some guilty family members.
Even Diana though born and bred aristocracy was guilty of celebrity-like behavior.
The failed Windsor marriages that ended in divorce are proof that a woman's background and culture does not guarantee a happy and successful marriage.

 

[Dman]

Stop looking for perfect princesses and perfect in laws for an imperfect royal family. It makes no sense.

 

[royaldreams]

Well, a lot of people will be upset when Harry marries Meghan, but a lot more will be very happy for the couple. For those who don't want to watch the festivities, that is fine as tens of millions of people will, and I will be one of them.

It's my belief that Meghan has been prepped for the potential next step and it's evident in her change of tone in posting on her personal twitter and Instagram accounts, as well as The Tig. For a woman who is a Hollywood celebrity, she has been respectful and low keyed since the story of her romance with the Prince has broken. I respect that Meghan has not flaunted herself, and has managed this new attention with dignity, especially in light of the unprecedented harsh attitude towards her because of her mixed parentage, being American, and a TV actress. Such a shame in 2016-17, but not a shock.

In the end, she will prevail and all things are pointing in the direction that she'll become a permanent member of the BRF in due time.

Mark my words.

 

[DeeT]

i totally agree with your posts Dman and royaldreams!
I just read an article at the Guardian UK website that describes "how the monarchy learned to love social media". It goes on to describe how the Senior members of the Royal Family "have been quick to realise the power of social media to boost popularity". So who knows perhaps the RF are impressed with what Meghan has done using social media with her resources, considering the RF is looking to fill a job for a social media position.

 

[Cocoasneeze]

Stop looking for perfect princesses and perfect in laws for an imperfect royal family. It makes no sense.

This so much.

At this day and age, Harry will be lucky, if he gets a woman like Meghan to marry him. Many would be put off by the 24/7 security already, or the 'The royals are public property' attitude surprisingly many peoole have. Meghan or any woman with any kind of career will have to give that up. A few questionable relatives she hasn't been in contact with in years are a very small negative in Meghan's book, when you look ate all the changes she's have to do in her life.

 

[ladongas]

I think this relationship seems right in many ways, and I hope it turns out to be a real happily ever after story. I do think they'll have to deal with some racism on the part of the public...

 

[Osipi]

I hope so too.

For me, the public opinion on whether she is right for Harry or not doesn't mean a hill of beans as what really matters is if they both think they're right for each other. If they have a strong, loving relationship, there is nothing that the two of them can't face together.

We just sit on the sidelines and watch.

 

[royaldreams]

I couldn't agree more. Especially where Prince Harry is concerned, if he really found the right woman, those in the public, (i.e., mere commoners), have no say in who he marries. As long as they both are happy and in love and support each other, that's all that matters.

It's a sad state for anyone to be in who doesn't support LOVE.

I hope so too.

For me, the public opinion on whether she is right for Harry or not doesn't mean a hill of beans as what really matters is if they both think they're right for each other. If they have a strong, loving relationship, there is nothing that the two of them can't face together.

We just sit on the sidelines and watch.

 

[Macrobug]

Harry has the right to choose the life partner that is right for him, not right for the media or for the RF or for the public. Whoever that person is does not have to met some arbitrary checklist made up by the public.

 

[Mbruno]

Harry has the right to choose the life partner that is right for him, not right for the media or for the RF or for the public. Whoever that person is does not have to met some arbitrary checklist made up by the public.

No, but the marriage has to be approved by the Queen and the British government (at least as long as Harry is one of the first six persons in line to the throne; he is currently 5th). The government, being made of politicians, most certainly takes public opinion into consideration, and so does the Queen to a certain extent.

 

[Rudolph]

Succession to the Crown Act 2013 states its the consent of Her Majesty that is required.

Once consent has been obtained, it must be declared in council under the great seal.

In this case, The Privy Council justs rubber stamps The Queen's approval.

 

[Mbruno]

Succession to the Crown Act 2013 states its the consent of Her Majesty that is required.

Once consent has been obtained, it must be declared in council under the great seal.

In this case, The Privy Council justs rubber stamps The Queen's approval.

My interpretation of "consent declared in Council" is that the Privy Council must agree to it. It is the same as the consent given in a Council of State in Denmark (or in Sweden prior to 1980). In both cases, it was understood that the monarch must consult the council.

 

[Osipi]

I do agree that the Queen's consent and stamped with approval by the Privy Counsel will be necessary. Its the way things are done and will not be bypassed.

Does anyone really think that there would be any reason why HM, The Queen and her Privy Council would have any objections to Meghan should he wish to marry her? As his grandmother, I think HM would want to put his happiness first and foremost when granting approval.

 

[Rudolph]

My takes is, its The Queen's personal consent that is required. She then declares her consent to The Privy Council.

Consent of Sovereign required to certain Royal Marriages

A person who (when the person marries) is one of the 6 persons next in the line of succession to the Crown must obtain the consent of Her Majesty before marrying.

Where any such consent has been obtained, it must be—

(a) signified under the Great Seal of the United Kingdom,

(b) declared in Council, and

(c) recorded in the books of the Privy Council.

 

[royaldreams]

As I understand it, I believe that Prince Harry is the Queen's favorite grandchild, and perhaps she is very happy that at the moment, he appears to have found the perfect girl. The Queen won't be around forever, so I presume that she will give her approval this year at the time that is most appropriate for all.

I can't imagine after all this fanfare, that Meghan is not the one and they split up. I can't see this happening, it's going all the way, regardless if some like it or not.

I do agree that the Queen's consent and stamped with approval by the Privy Counsel will be necessary. Its the way things are done and will not be bypassed.

Does anyone really think that there would be any reason why HM, The Queen and her Privy Council would have any objections to Meghan should he wish to marry her? As his grandmother, I think HM would want to put his happiness first and foremost when granting approval.

 

[Pranter]

All her grandchildren have been said, at some point or another, have been her 'favorite' grandchild. The media changes who depending on what's happening.


LaRae

 

[Osipi]

All her grandchildren have been said, at some point or another, have been her 'favorite' grandchild. The media changes who depending on what's happening.


LaRae

One thing we do know though is that Harry is very, very good at soft soaping his grandmother into things. I loved the video they made for the Invictus games with the Obamas and just recently he's talked her into opening the private grounds of Balmoral for Balmoral Challenge 2017 benefiting Walking with the Wounded.

I think that if the Queen saw and knew how much in love Harry was and met his future bride, she'd give her consent in a Buckingham Palace minute*.

*(similar to a New York minute with a British royal flair to it)

 

[AmberG]

This so much.

At this day and age, Harry will be lucky, if he gets a woman like Meghan to marry him. Many would be put off by the 24/7 security already, or the 'The royals are public property' attitude surprisingly many peoole have. Meghan or any woman with any kind of career will have to give that up. A few questionable relatives she hasn't been in contact with in years are a very small negative in Meghan's book, when you look ate all the changes she's have to do in her life.

She would be lucky also... much more...

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

While people adore Harry for his down to earth grace and his support and love for his charities....when it comes to her... I am not so sure. Hollywood with Grace Kelly - born and bred Main Line family - compared to this person in of today's Hollywood... I predict it will not go down well or end well.

Catherine, Camilla and Diana all come from Great Britain, they grew up in this culture.

This person with her attitude on her social media not too long ago would need to shut up and conform right away as the British press would eat her alive. The aristocracy, long known for proving blood and breeding count, not celebrity and money, aka the Beckhams would probably turn their noses on this person. Her family, to say the least, is interesting....

We shall see what happens. As I said before, should he marry this person I will choose not to watch and will ignore them and focus on the rest of the family in my adoration.

My right to my view and opinion.

Here is my 2 cents.... more than likely in the old days of the British Raj she would have been warned off for being 1. biracial, 2. divorced, 3. an actress, 4 catholic, etc. But in the last 10-15 years there has been such a sea change in standards ( which one can debate whether it is a good or bad thing) of what is considered an acceptable royal bride. You have Mette Marit with an illegitimate child who was involved with a drug dealer. You have Sofia Hellqvist with her nude picture/porn star make out/'reality tv' back ground. You have Camilla who was not only divorced but also the major player in her husband's prior marriage. You have Letizia who was divorced and a television news personality. I dont think Meghan has done anything eggregious enough to be declared unacceptable. If Harry's father, the future Defender of the Faith and Head of the Church of England can marry a divorced woman then why shouldn't his son be allowed to? I think she would have to nominally convert to C of E, should he wish to remain in the succession.

 

[Moonmaiden23]

All her grandchildren have been said, at some point or another, have been her 'favorite' grandchild. The media changes who depending on what's happening.


LaRae

True. I have read on more than one occasion that HM's favorite was either Princesses Beatrice or Eugenie...the children of her pet child Prince Andrew.

They reportedly call her "Super Gran" which is rather sweet.

 

[eden_candy]

So the Queen gives her consent and then the Privy Council votes on it? So the asker is basically left in limbo waiting to see if he has to take back his engagement?

 

[Pranter]

More than likely all of her grandchildren can talk her into things...we just don't hear about it!

Any talk about the Queen not allowing him to marry Meghan is silly. The last thing she's going to do is stand in the way of who they marry. The person would have to be a level of unsuitable that we haven't even seen yet.

So anyone thinking the Queen will stop him marrying Meghan is going to be disappointed.


LaRae

 

[Emme]

Well, a lot of people will be upset when Harry marries Meghan, but a lot more will be very happy for the couple. For those who don't want to watch the festivities, that is fine as tens of millions of people will, and I will be one of them.

It's my belief that Meghan has been prepped for the potential next step and it's evident in her change of tone in posting on her personal twitter and Instagram accounts, as well as The Tig. For a woman who is a Hollywood celebrity, she has been respectful and low keyed since the story of her romance with the Prince has broken. I respect that Meghan has not flaunted herself, and has managed this new attention with dignity, especially in light of the unprecedented harsh attitude towards her because of her mixed parentage, being American, and a TV actress. Such a shame in 2016-17, but not a shock.

In the end, she will prevail and all things are pointing in the direction that she'll become a permanent member of the BRF in due time.

Mark my words.

I couldn't agree more. I actually had a feeling, way back at the beginning, that Meghan would end up Harry's bride. However, my predictive timeline was probably off. I thought an engagement over the holidays (perhaps not announced until early 2017), and a wedding in the spring.

I think they make a lovely couple, and would love to see it go all the way to a marriage.

 

[jacqui24]

No, but the marriage has to be approved by the Queen and the British government (at least as long as Harry is one of the first six persons in line to the throne; he is currently 5th). The government, being made of politicians, most certainly takes public opinion into consideration, and so does the Queen to a certain extent.

I can't see this being justified if they deny the marriage based on the fact that she's biracial or American. People be up in arms about racism, as they should. And the US alliance will be important to Britain, so best not to shun someone based on this, especially since it's likely she'll be relinquishing her US citizenship even though by law it's not required.

Then the divorcee part. If Charles can marry Camilla after all that, I really don't see Harry not being able to marry Meghan because of this detail.

 

[royaldreams]

LOL! That's sweet you were that optimistic about an engagement and spring wedding. My initial thoughts were a spring engagement announcement, and a fall 2017 wedding, but now it may be a summer engagement and a spring 2018 wedding - due to Pippa's wedding and I think Beatrice is engaged too.

I couldn't agree more. I actually had a feeling, way back at the beginning, that Meghan would end up Harry's bride. However, my predictive timeline was probably off. I thought an engagement over the holidays (perhaps not announced until early 2017), and a wedding in the spring.

I think they make a lovely couple, and would love to see it go all the way to a marriage.

 

[Rudolph]

If Harry seeks The Queen's approval to marry Meghan, it will be granted. Period.

Some of us are just geeking on the statute regarding consent

 

[hel]

So the Queen gives her consent and then the Privy Council votes on it? So the asker is basically left in limbo waiting to see if he has to take back his engagement?

No.

If the government and CoE were opposed to the marriage, it would never get so far as consent being declared. See what happened to Margaret; a lot of backroom discussions and negotiations and positions being laid out well before it got anywhere close to the Privy Council meeting.

One thing that seems to be missing in this Privy Council discussion is that the the Privy Council != the government and the government is != to the Privy Council. Members of the government do, with Civil Servants, make up the bulk of the PC, but it's made up of several groups:

• members of the BRF and Royal Household (e.g. the Dukes of Edinburgh and Cambridge, Charles and Camilla)
• members of the Civil Service (e.g., Sir Robert Fellowes, Sir John Chilcot)
• members of the Clergy (e.g., Justin Welby, George Carey)
• members of both the UK and Commonwealth judiciary
• Conservative, Labour, Liberal/LibDem politicians, past and present
• Commonwealth politicians
• "Other" politicians (e.g., Baroness D'Souza, Nigel Dodds, Nicola Sturgeon)

The PC is a formal body of advisors. Some of these people's voices (e.g., Theresa May, Justin Welby) will have more weight than others (e.g., Owen Arthur, Stephen Dorrell). But it's not a matter of "the government will decide who Harry can marry". The members of the government and church will have discussions with each other and with the Queen if they have any concerns.

With that said, the only way that a sitting government would advise the Queen that a marriage was insupportable was if there were demonstrations against Meghan. And there aren't, and there won't be. The comments section of the Daily Fail is not going to be a factor in this decision.

Also, too, remember that the quorum of for the Privy Council is 3. HM could, if I'm reading correctly, literally call Charles, Camilla, and William into the drawing room at Sandringham over Christmas and give her consent in council. Would it be wise? No, if she hasn't already discussed it with the Prime Minister and clergy. Would she do it? No. But it doesn't, from my quick research, seem to be outside of the rules.

It's worth noting that the example of the Canadian Privy Council meeting to "approve" (read cheer on) the marriage of Charles and Diana seems to be because Canada is the only Commonwealth country without any representation on the Privy Council. None of the current or former PMs of Canada are on it, nor any members of its judiciary.

 

[miss whirley]

LOL! That's sweet you were that optimistic about an engagement and spring wedding. My initial thoughts were a spring engagement announcement, and a fall 2017 wedding, but now it may be a summer engagement and a spring 2018 wedding - due to Pippa's wedding and I think Beatrice is engaged too.

I doubt Beatrice is engaged. As far as the public knows, she's single. Beatrice and mystery beau would be a bigger whirlwind shock than if Harry-Meghan were to marry in the near future.

Also I can't see how Pippa's wedding would have any impact on preventing Harry from proposing. They aren't relatives, and they don't seem to be close friends, either. If blood cousins William and Zara can be engaged at the same time. Then non-blood acquaintances wouldn't have any problems both being engaged.

So if Harry and Meghan aren't engaged yet, it's because they themselves aren't ready. And that's perfectly understandable given that they've only been together about 8 months.