Prince Carl Philip of Sweden and Sofia Hellqvist: June 13, 2015


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Winnie said:
Most weddings today do not have the traditional 5 beautiful layers on their cakes with sweet bride and groom standing on top. Most now even have childish cupcakes. A new fad but the young like it and we older ones just like to eat them!!! Only kidding. All really new and rather delightful designs that bridal couple pick out as it is their own personal special look. Didn't I read that this groom actually drew exactly how he wanted them to look? Nice.
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I agree. The idea behind the design of the wedding cake was clearly to be an unusual, artistic centrepiece, just to add some interest and be something different from the norm.

I think it was a clever way to arrange the cakes, but we have seen something along these lines before with Princess Martha-Louise's wedding cake and Felipe and Letizia's. Swedish design is renowned for being a little ahead of its time.
 
Could someone supply a clip of 'the gospel music' that so many are talking about. :ermm: I didn't watch the wedding and only saw a short video compilation that ended with the vows and ring-exchange. I did hear the music she entered with and thought the musical choice was inspired. I loved it. :flowers:
 
Music critic Gunilla Brodrej in Expressen:
But one should not underestimate the impact that a public wedding of a Prince has in it's repertoire. And if the royal family is going to represent Sweden so it would be more than fair to do that also at the wedding.
Carl Philip and Sofia walked in with Enya's sentimental wallpaper music "Athair ar Neamh" ("Father in heaven"). It fits well to a yoga class. Rihanna's "Umbrella" translated into parodic Swedish ("Paraply-ply-ply") had worked on a wet hen party. Salem Al Fakir's version of Coldplay's "Fix You" would have been enough as an Anglo-Saxon element in the church.
Weren't there any advisers surrounding the Royal couple who could have enlightened about Lena Willemark's existence, singing on the peculiar and beautiful Älvdal language? During the finale rocking gospel who got the most rigid eminences to wiggle discreetly on the butt swung also a truth straight into the soul. In this country we are, despite the music miracle, really bad in music. When it comes down to it it is not swedish.
Gunilla Brodrej_ Låt svensk musik trona på prinsdopet _ Kultur _ Expressen
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She has a point.
 
:previous: Love it! :flowers: Anyone who frequents an African-American church will be singing Hallelujah! Such fun! In one fell swoop - all is forgiven, Sofia (regarding Emma ;) ). I want an invitation to one of Sofia's parties! Of which I'm sure she will be having many regularly.

P.S. Thank you for posting the video clip, TortillaChips. :flowers:
 
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The whole 9 hours and 50 minutes is still on the web site, or is back up there, since earlier today it seemed to have been replaced with a shorter version. But right now the whole lot is there from the church to the carriage ride around Stockholm to getting a peek at everyone at the reception at their tables chatting, and the commentators interviewing the chefs and pictures of all the dishes, descriptions and photos of all the food, cutting the cake, and the speeches and the waltzing.

Prinsbröllopet (hela sändningen) - teckenspråkstolkat | SVT.se

The cake cutting is at about 8.35.00; the speeches at 5.24.00, the food discussion at about 7.35.00 which seems to lead to cake talk, and the waltzing is at about 9.22.00.
 
As a church organist, I have played for more weddings than I care to remember! And I have had to deal with some unusual requests. My policy is always to let the officiating clergy have the last word, so if the clergy approved, I went along with it, sometimes reluctantly. If the tradition in Sweden is to be more liberal in the choice of music, then so be it. I have often played ''Hymn to Joy'' for the recessional so I was interested to see the clip of it. when the soloist sang the words ''melt the clouds of sin and sadness, drive the dark of doubt away'' I thought of the controversy around the couple, and hope all that is now past. May they have a long and happy life together. :flowers:

Queen Margrethe seemed to be in pain, and I wish someone had escorted her into the church instead of her having to walk in alone. Both of her sons were there, after all. But it was sweet of Frederik to escort her down the steps. No doubt we'll see more of that as time goes on.
 
xenobia said:
I understand your point, but I think you underestimate the guests. They didn't have to clap if they didn't want to, and clapping your hands to a song is hardly the most embarrasing thing a royalty has done. Especially senior royals who has been around for a while. Most of them are familliar with the different traditions of each others countries, and even if they don't like them, they respect them.
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I agree I think the older royals they're probably more accepting of new things than we realize. In the capacity of their "work" they exposed to a lot more than
folks realize.
 
Dear Midwest Mom: As a soprano soloist, I have sung for weddings. And, most often, the requests were: "The Lord's Prayer" and others such as this. I did once have the bride request a kind of cowboy ballad. I couldn't do it. I told her I was honored to be asked, but mine was the wrong voice for the song.

Danica: I appreciated your explanation re: the purpose of marriage and am in harmony with you.

Overall, it was a lovely wedding with two people who love each other and who made a public commitment. May God bless them.

And, the ROSES! As a lifelong gardener, I wanted to smell those roses!

Sancia: The message above was to you. But, spell check made Danica!
 
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MidwestMom said:
As a church organist, I have played for more weddings than I care to remember! And I have had to deal with some unusual requests. My policy is always to let the officiating clergy have the last word, so if the clergy approved, I went along with it, sometimes reluctantly. If the tradition in Sweden is to be more liberal in the choice of music, then so be it. I have often played ''Hymn to Joy'' for the recessional so I was interested to see the clip of it. when the soloist sang the words ''melt the clouds of sin and sadness, drive the dark of doubt away'' I thought of the controversy around the couple, and hope all that is now past. May they have a long and happy life together. :flowers:

Queen Margrethe seemed to be in pain, and I wish someone had escorted her into the church instead of her having to walk in alone. Both of her sons were there, after all. But it was sweet of Frederik to escort her down the steps. No doubt we'll see more of that as time goes on.
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She did seem to be in paiin. I notice when they went outside to greet the couple Her Majesty was seated in chair while everyone else was standing. Mary and Marie were talking with her.

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Lady Nimue said:
:previous: Love it! :flowers: Anyone who frequents an African-American church will be singing Hallelujah! Such fun! In one fell swoop - all is forgiven, Sofia (regarding Emma ;) ). I want an invitation to one of Sofia's parties! Of which I'm sure she will be having many regularly.

P.S. Thank you for posting the video clip, TortillaChips. :flowers:
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An African American the inclusion of little gospel made me smile. I'm not
religious but I LOVE gospel music. I thought it was a lovely touch.
 
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Dear Midwest Mom and MissByrd:
As a singer and formerly emplyed by the Church of Sweden (although not as a musician/singer), I've sung at many church weddings. I have also turned down requests, but not because they were inappropriate. One time it was a song that no one could find the sheet music to, and it was really tricky to do the song without it. Another time, the song didn't work well with just a soloist and piano player. But I've never turned down a song for other reasons. If the couple wants it, and they've discussed it with the priest in charge of the ceremony, I have no objections. And if they would every object to anything, I seriously doubt that it would be a gospel, with lyrics that praise the Lord :)
 
I thought "Joyful, Joyful" was a very nice touch and it got everyone up to join in and praise the Lord. It was nice and different from the usual royal weddings.
 
LadyFinn said:
Music critic Gunilla Brodrej in Expressen:
But one should not underestimate the impact that a public wedding of a Prince has in it's repertoire. And if the royal family is going to represent Sweden so it would be more than fair to do that also at the wedding.
Carl Philip and Sofia walked in with Enya's sentimental wallpaper music "Athair ar Neamh" ("Father in heaven"). It fits well to a yoga class. Rihanna's "Umbrella" translated into parodic Swedish ("Paraply-ply-ply") had worked on a wet hen party. Salem Al Fakir's version of Coldplay's "Fix You" would have been enough as an Anglo-Saxon element in the church.
Weren't there any advisers surrounding the Royal couple who could have enlightened about Lena Willemark's existence, singing on the peculiar and beautiful Älvdal language? During the finale rocking gospel who got the most rigid eminences to wiggle discreetly on the butt swung also a truth straight into the soul. In this country we are, despite the music miracle, really bad in music. When it comes down to it it is not swedish.
Gunilla Brodrej_ Låt svensk musik trona på prinsdopet _ Kultur _ Expressen
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She has a point.
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Well, it's the land of ABBA after all !
 
Muhler said:
Thanks. :flowers:

I noticed neither the King, nor QMII clapped.
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Nor Chris... but QMII has problems with walk and stand so I think with vigorous body movements also.
Queen Mathilde, who is Catholic clapped, Queen Maxima, CP Mary, CP Frederik, CP Haakon and CP MM also, Prince Daniel and Princess Madeleine also and other royal who sat behind them. So what is the problem? It was lovely accent of this wedding and this song is gospel (gospel is very popular in the USA, in Catholic churches). I like this wedding more than boring wedding of K & W from Great Britain.
It was a joyous day for them and for their families, so this joyous song was appropriate.
 
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marta19pl said:
Nor Chris...
Queen Mathilde, who is Catholic clapped, Queen Maxima, CP Mary, CP Frederik, CP Haakon and CP MM also, Prince Daniel and Princess Madeleine also and other royal who sit behind them. So what is the problem? It was lovely accent of this weeding and this song is gospel (gospel is very popular in the USA, in Catholic churches).
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Aside from Chris (who didn't clap) and Queen Sonja (who did), I see a generation divide. I wouldn't expect Queen Margrethe and King Carl Gustaf to clap anyway. As I said in another reply to Xenobia, I suspect Queen Sofia or Queen Beatrix would not have clapped either if they were present. What about Edward and Sophie ? Do they appear clapping on the video ?

Mathilde BTW is a patron of music (through the Queen Elisabeth competition) and a pianist herself. I suspect she enjoys experimentation with music as most trained musicians do.
 
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Mbruno said:
Aside from Chris (who didn't clap) and Queen Sonja (who did), I see a generation divide. I wouldn't expect Queen Margrethe and King Carl Gustaf to clap anyway. As I said in another reply to Xenobia, I suspect Queen Sofia or Queen Beatrix would not have clapped either if they were present. What about Edward and Sophie ? Do they appear clapping on the video ?

Mathilde BTW is a patron of music (through the Queen Elisabeth competition) and I suspect she enjoys experimentation with music as most trained musicians also do.
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I didn't see because they sat behind King CG, I think that they don't clapped. I think that clapping in church was not bad, and it isn't inappropriate.


I think that the King consented and priests who conducted the ceremony also so I don't understand this "problem".

One issue which I had it was with new version of "Umbrella": / But other songs were okay!

In Polish churches people often clap during a wedding when the groom and bride kiss. It is normal :)
 
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xenobia said:
Dear Midwest Mom and MissByrd:
As a singer and formerly emplyed by the Church of Sweden (although not as a musician/singer), I've sung at many church weddings. I have also turned down requests, but not because they were inappropriate. One time it was a song that no one could find the sheet music to, and it was really tricky to do the song without it. Another time, the song didn't work well with just a soloist and piano player. But I've never turned down a song for other reasons. If the couple wants it, and they've discussed it with the priest in charge of the ceremony, I have no objections. And if they would every object to anything, I seriously doubt that it would be a gospel, with lyrics that praise the Lord :)
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Dear Xenobia and MidwestMom:
Always a pleasure to know the other musicians! I grew up in a very musical family. Everyone sings and plays an instrument. I was 7 when I did my first solo before the whole congregation. I sang yesterday in church as well. I think my brother would have liked that African-American gospel rendition of Joyful, Joyful; and, my son, too.
And, by the way, there is African-American gospel and there is Southern gospel. I like gospel, too. It's cheerful.
But, I confess, my favorite music is with a full orchestra and a wonderful voice or voices soaring to the ceiling. That to me is Joyful, Joyful.
This wedding certainly has us talking. Smile.
 
Frelinghighness said:
Wow this wedding has really brought out certain opinions but maybe they have been there all along and have never changed? These two people who will most likely have no place in the Swedish line of su cession have really created a lot of black ink. Like a swimmer, or an actress, or another actress or an unwed mother...and I am talking about those in the line of succession. No class, come now, we cannot all be grace kelly, daughter of a bricklayer who was not allowed to participate in the Olympics because he was not a
gentleman
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...and his daughter certainly was no lady...
 
MissByrd said:
Dear Xenobia and MidwestMom:
Always a pleasure to know the other musicians! I grew up in a very musical family. Everyone sings and plays an instrument. I was 7 when I did my first solo before the whole congregation. I sang yesterday in church as well. I think my brother would have liked that African-American gospel rendition of Joyful, Joyful; and, my son, too.
And, by the way, there is African-American gospel and there is Southern gospel. I like gospel, too. It's cheerful.
But, I confess, my favorite music is with a full orchestra and a wonderful voice or voices soaring to the ceiling. That to me is Joyful, Joyful.
This wedding certainly has us talking. Smile.
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A pleasure to get to know you too :flowers:
I can enjoy both classical and modern music - for me, it's a matter of the right time for the right song. I enjoyed Joyful, Joyful very much. Although as a singer, it's great to be part of a big choir and sing songs like "Ode an die freude" with a big orchestra.

And on topic: I think they chose exactly what they wanted. Kudus to them for that. I'm not one of their biggest fans, but after watching their wedding, I have no doubt that they love each other very much. And when all is said and done, that's what really matters.
 
Sancia said:
I will try to answer. No offence intended, and I apologize by advance if my words sound offending.

A catholic, I believe wedding is a sacrament. A christian, I believe religious wedding is not only the couple's matter but equally God's matter. A religious wedding is not only the union of a couple, it is the union of the couple with God. That is why I am not in favour of letting a couple choosing texts and songs that are not religious. The center of a wedding service should not be the projects for life of the marrying couple but God and what place will have God in their future marrying life.
What I am saying here does apply for my own church as, even if catholic liturgical guidelines forbid the use of non-biblical texts and non-religious hymns, their use is still frequent. I don't know the swedish situation, but here, we have numerous hymns that can be used by couples who wish a religious wedding and are still uncertain of their faith's depth. I have worked with parents before a child's christening and even those who are not firm believers do understand these requirements, which are the same for a christening mass or service.
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You have said it beautifully, Sancia. For whatever it's worth, I am Anglican (Episcopalian in the United States), and for us it is the same as for you.
 
Is it traditional in Sweden for the Bride and Groom to have a Honeymoon?

Or have they just gone on a private holiday together now?
 
So Sofia has received the full batch of titles - Her Royal Highness, Duchess of Värmland, Princess of Sweden. She is now Sofia (Kristina) Bernadotte and has her own monogram, awesome.
I have never seen a more in love and warm couple, it was a perfect wedding.
 
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