Pre-Wedding Information for Victoria and Daniel's Wedding

[Sisi]

--- it was a nice way of saying good bye to single life and hello marrige life ---

Surely it is not a single life you are leading when you are engaged to be married?

Nowadays people could live together for many years before marriage, so I think it is silly to have someone escort this kind of bride down the aisle. Of course, if you really have lived with your parents whole time before the wedding, then it is a different thing. Here in Finland it is quite a new custom to give away the bride, adopted from Hollywood-movies mainly.

I walked down the aisle with my fiancé, because we jad decided to get married together, and so we went to the church together. Here women have been independent for such a long time that it is a normal thing to do. I think Victoria should also respect Swedish traditions and go together with Daniel.

 

[laduchesse]

Keeping that in mind the Archbishop that is the Head of the church said he was being critical as Victoria is well aware of the church's teachings on equality and marriage. Therefore they have the tradition of both the bride and groom walking together as equals into the church. The Swedish Lutheran church was one of the first churches to ordain women and a female bishop will be one of the bishops officiating at Victoria's wedding.

If one chooses to marry in a religious ceremony in a particular church, temple, synagogue, mosque, then I believe one must be prepared to follow the tenets and traditions of that particular faith. Otherwise marry civilly. Not to follow the traditions of the church etc and yet marrying in their sacred spaces is both disrespectful and insulting.

CP Victoria's desire to have her father walk her down the aisle is not disrespectful, nor insulting, because there is no sin being committed. While it may be a tradition, she is not breaking Scriptural teachings or Church doctrine (which is based on Scripture). The role of traditions relates to manners in which God is glorified. To break a tradition does not automatically mean God is being offended. With regards to emphasis on equality, she is choosing to do this and if Daniel has no issue, neither should the Church, nor should the Church try to create divisiveness by publicly criticizing the CP as this is not violation or slander against God.

 

[SwedQueen]

Broadcast update:
There was a pressconference for media and it has been revealed that 25 other countries will air the wedding between CP Victoria and Daniel.
They didn't give out any specific details on which they are yet.

 

[grevinnan]

Both Aftonbladet and Expressen in Sweden today have written that CP Victoria will be escorted by her father. I hope the information is correct.

 

[Lumutqueen]

Hallejuah. I am glad she wishes to be given away by her father.

 

[Sister Morphine]

Nina Eldh, the informationschef of the swedish court, says that Victoria will be escorted to the altar by her father, king Carl Gustaf. The royal family wishes it and the decision has been made.
Kungen för kronprinsessan till altaret | Inrikes | SvD
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Nu är det klart: Kungen överlämnar Victoria | Bröllopet | Aftonbladet

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Journalists attend a briefing regarding the Royal wedding of the Swedish crown princess Victoria and her fiance Daniel Westling at the Bernadote library of the Royal Castle.
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Håkan Pettersson, chief of staff of King Karl Gustaf, delivers a speech during a press briefing regarding the Royal wedding
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YAY! How romantic. We'll get to see the King in his best walking his beloved daughter down the aisle. I'm so happy she got her wish.

 

[queenofthelight]

Photo galleries - Photo 1 - Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden and Daniel Westling: a royal love story (24/05/2010).

 

[CrownPrincess5]

CP Victoria's desire to have her father walk her down the aisle is not disrespectful, nor insulting, because there is no sin being committed. While it may be a tradition, she is not breaking Scriptural teachings or Church doctrine (which is based on Scripture). The role of traditions relates to manners in which God is glorified. To break a tradition does not automatically mean God is being offended. With regards to emphasis on equality, she is choosing to do this and if Daniel has no issue, neither should the Church, nor should the Church try to create divisiveness by publicly criticizing the CP as this is not violation or slander against God.

Amen!! Laduchesse. And another thing, we can't help if our movies are so influential.

It's a wonderful thing to have your father escort you. I'm happy for her and I'm glad she got her way!!! Thank God. It will be so romantic. I can't wait.

 

[angieuk]

I notice sometimes Daniel is seen without glasses .. does he wear contact lenses?

 

[Boris]

Thank you for posting this, LadyFinn.

"I have said that there is a wish for it to be like this."
What an answer from Eldh to the question if it's final now that The King will lead his daughter up to the altar.
Therebye she contradicts the latest news that he definitely will, and starts the discussion all over again...
Apart from being very unpopular with the media for her cold and brusque manner - a great characteristic for a PR chief -, Nina Eldh has messed up so many things big and small during the last two years that I wish that the Bernadottes would fire her already.

 

[SwedQueen]

They need to get rid of Nina ASAP
It's like she's doing the mess ups on purpose!

 

[Princess_Beatrix]

Gosh this goes back and forth.

 

[snowflower]

I ve been away from TRF for a few days and only now I found out about the dispute with the Archibishop. I ve just finished reading the posts bout this. The first I really don't understand is why this was made public - it should have been discussed behind close doors IMO. Nevertheless , I feel this is kind of a delicate situation - Victoria wants thing done her way. the Archibishop the other way. Although I live in a country where women are not giving away in the altar by their father and this thing always looked
a little strange to me ,I can get Victoria's point - she wants to be escorted by her father to the altar for sentimental reasons I guess and - who knows - she may even be viewing it as a statement that the King is trully and wholeheartely approving of Daniel. However , the Archibishop also has some valid points - it is his church after all and wants things done the traditional way. Victoria is not after all just a miss Bernadotte who decided to get married to her man. She is the Crown Princess of the country which means two things, first that amonf other things , she is a representative of Swedish traditions in a way and secondly, that her wedding will be televised all over the country. So if the Crown Princess is allowed to se given away to her marriage, why should other girls wishing to do the same be denied by the priests? . Other brides of the family didn't have some much coverage on their wedding and they had more freedon - she (unfortunately for her) will be on the spotlight that day and that complicates things a lot.

 

[CrownPrincess5]

Okay this Nina lady needs to be demoted to housecleaning because my little brother can release better statements than she does! She should get it right the first time. This is going in cirlcles.

 

[rop81]

This is very confusing! On SVT:s site it says that the descission is made that the King will escort Victoria down the aile - but at expressen it says that they are still discussing it Can they quote Nina Eldh from her interview in tv4 sunday morning? - there she was a guest and said that discussions where taking place and that nothing was descided...

Anyway i think that as soon as the wedding is over they should fire her - she is definatly not good at her job

 

[MarNoe]

In reading the Google Translation of the announcement, further down the page there is a reference that the priests want to refuse Victoria when she arrives at the altar!

I cannot believe the fuss that is being made over this! Is it a LAW that brides cannot be escorted by the fathers? If it is a tradition does this mean NO ONE is allowed to do differently? CP V is a young woman who obviously adores her father. Is she the ONLY woman in Sweden who has ever made this decision?

 

[crm2317]

In reading the Google Translation of the announcement, further down the page there is a reference that the priests want to refuse Victoria when she arrives at the altar!

I cannot believe the fuss that is being made over this! Is it a LAW that brides cannot be escorted by the fathers? If it is a tradition does this mean NO ONE is allowed to do differently? CP V is a young woman who obviously adores her father. Is she the ONLY woman in Sweden who has ever made this decision?

I seriously hope that it not true I don't think they would dare to refuse her.

To me this debate is silly and while the archbishop can support tradition this is not his decision.

Tradition or not, every young girl dreams about their big day and what it will be like. Princess or not, Victoria has worked hard for her country for years and continues to do so and if the people begrudge her this one happiness I think it is disgraceful.

 

[CrownPrincessJava]

Is it me, or does this sound like severe media spin? Not being in Sweden and knowing very little of Swedish culture and traditions, but this whole ruckus on her father walking her down the aisle sounds like the Royal Family wanting to bring some kind of "suspense" to the whole day.

It's pretty clear the whole day will be filled with love, joy and romance, but now it sounds like they want to spice things up by making a mountain out of a molehill regarding the entrance procession and the Crown Princess and the King.

If, indeed, this is a contentious issue, perhaps the Church should see it in the manner that this is the first future Swedish regent Queen in a) modern times who is b) marrying for love and c) holds a close relationship with her Regent Father, the King of Sweden. It has nothing to do with ownership, but rather the strong bond between a father and his daughter.

I am from an Italian heritage, and in my parents' village, the bride and groom arrive at the church and walk down the aisle together. When my mother and father were married, it was in Australia, and my mother walked down the aisle with my grandfather. Traditions are what you make them.

 

[jonc93]

I'm glad to hear CP Victoria will be given away by her father, as to her wishes! Maybe she'll start a new trend in Sweden.

 

[windsorgirl]

Does anybody know where we might purchase official wedding souvenirs online?

 

[lilnana]

The church (or at least one of the priest that will be marrying them) must have brought the issue public in hopes that public opinion and pressure will force them to change their minds, and it seems to be working since court seems to have back tracked saying it hasn't be decided yet. The issues isn't just confined to the Swedish press, so it may make them want to rethink the issue.

 

[CrownPrincess5]

Well Expressen is saying the wish hasn't been granted. Svenskdam is congratulating Victoria on getting her wish. Kind of confusing...

 

[grevinnan]

This issue has turned into a powerplay. The swedish church has lost much of its influence since the separation of church and state. They are finally in an important position again thanks to the wedding and are capitalizing on it. I have had several occassions to deal with the church in the last year and to assume they are suddenly concerned about the "proper" way to do a ceremony rings very hollow. A year ago in my former home town there was a six weeks waiting period in order to conduct a funeral. Six weeks to wait to bury a family member is simply cruel but the church said they were very backlogged and could not speed it up. To assign priests from other parishes to help out or to conduct more funerals in a day was not an option. So the church's sudden concern about following protocol and tradition sounds insincere.

 

[snowflower]

How awful grevinnan! You are right priests should look more in the essence of things, not to mention that ,when it comes to Victoria, she is marrying in free will the one she trully wants and not her family's choice, so I gather that in essence , she is doing what the Church wants

I'm glad to hear CP Victoria will be given away by her father, as to her wishes! Maybe she'll start a new trend in Sweden.

That's the very thing the priests are afraid of, Victoria starting a new trend IMO and that's why they have been fighting about it so hard.

 

[Sisi]

In Finland, if you don't want to do as the priests and church say, you can always get married elsewhere! I don't see why Victoria should have her own way if all the other brides don't.. never mind she is the crownprincess, in this matter.

 

[crm2317]

In Finland, if you don't want to do as the priests and church say, you can always get married elsewhere! I don't see why Victoria should have her own way if all the other brides don't.. never mind she is the crownprincess, in this matter.

She should have her own way because no matter what all other brides so this is her and Daniel's day and she should have her perfect wedding. And if that means having her father, who she loves and respects, escorting her then thats the way it is. If other brides wanted to walk up the aisle with their father they should be allowed too.

 

[Harald]

A year ago in my former home town there was a six weeks waiting period in order to conduct a funeral. Six weeks to wait to bury a family member is simply cruel but the church said they were very backlogged and could not speed it up. To assign priests from other parishes to help out or to conduct more funerals in a day was not an option. So the church's sudden concern about following protocol and tradition sounds insincere.

That's disgusting!! And they simply get away with that? Doesn't the law require them to conduct the funeral within a certain priod of time?

 

[MarNoe]

Whatever the outcome of this is, I feel sorry for CP V. Planning a wedding is stressful enough but the Swedish Lutheran Church is making this an ordeal for her. Her whole life has been dedicated to Sweden and it's people and the church is making a circus out of her wedding. I hope that as the wedding day gets closer all parties involved will realise that in the end this is a wedding between two people who love each other very much.

 

[crm2317]

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the UK is one of the 25 countries that will broadcast this wedding

 

[CrownPrincess5]

In Finland, if you don't want to do as the priests and church say, you can always get married elsewhere! I don't see why Victoria should have her own way if all the other brides don't.. never mind she is the crownprincess, in this matter.

So the couple has to do what the priest says or else? This is bulll. Nobody, not a priest or archbishop, would be telling me what to do. I think it's right for Victoria to have what she wants. She has to marry in Sweden, so suggesting she should do it elsewhere is wrong. Victoria works way too hard for the country. Give her some leeway.