Pre-Wedding Information for Victoria and Daniel's Wedding


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According to Expressen, both king Carl Gustaf and Olle Westling are giving a speech at the wedding dinner:
Pappornas tal till Victoria och Daniel - Bröllopet - Allt om kronprinsessan Victorias och Daniels bröllop | Expressen
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30 dagar kvar till vigseln! | Posh24.se

Photo gallery:
Photo galleries - Crown Princess Victoria of Sweden and Daniel Westling: a royal love story

A great interview at Svenska Dagbladet, the couple speak about their wedding and their relatioship:
SvD-intervju med kronprinsessan Victoria och Daniel Westling | SvD
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The informationschef ot the court, Nina Eldh, says, that Victoria and Daniel must have the right to decide about their wedding, referring to the message from the priests.
Nina Eldh: Victoria måste få välja själv | Expressen
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Victoria´s and Daniel´s wedding interview at Göteborgs-Posten (only in the paper version)
Intervju med Victoria och Daniel - gp.se

A wedding interview with some nice photos:
Daniel: Victoria är en varm person - gp.se
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An Ockelbo artist and painter Tony Warren received an audience with Crown Princess Victoria and Daniel Westling on the 3rd June to give them a wedding gift.
Överlämnar tavlan själv på audiens -GD
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Nina Eldh, the informationschef of the swedish court, says that Victoria will be escorted to the altar by her father, king Carl Gustaf. The royal family wishes it and the decision has been made.
Kungen för kronprinsessan till altaret | Inrikes | SvD
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Nu är det klart: Kungen överlämnar Victoria | Bröllopet | Aftonbladet

Scanpix is the official photo agency for the wedding
Scanpix official photo agency for Crown Princess Couple's wedding - Sveriges Kungahus

Journalists attend a briefing regarding the Royal wedding of the Swedish crown princess Victoria and her fiance Daniel Westling at the Bernadote library of the Royal Castle.
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Håkan Pettersson, chief of staff of King Karl Gustaf, delivers a speech during a press briefing regarding the Royal wedding
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Souvenirs featuring crown Princess Victoria and her fiance Daniel Westling are for sale in a souvenir shop near the Royal Castle
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And now - obviously the decision of how Victoria will go to the altar hasn´t been made, there was a misunderstanding? Nina Eldh has managed to mess things again.
"Det är inte klart" - Bröllopet - Allt om kronprinsessan Victorias och Daniels bröllop | Expressen
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CriEnglish - Swedish Royal Wedding Preparation Under Full Swing
 
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CrownPrincess5 said:
The King is handing over his daugher, who was fully his for 32 years. Now he's giving her to her husband.
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This is what the church (and so many other Swedish people) react to... That a father is giving his daughter to another man
 
That makes it sound like he's handing over a set of china. A father is a daughter's security and support from her infancy until her adulthood. To consider the act of his escorting her down the isle to her husband to be, and a new life, as his handing over property is overreacting and rather silly. She is leaving the confines of her family to start one of her own, and to have the head of her family there to support her at that joyful time is not something to get all up in the air about. If this is what Victoria wants, then I think those opposing for supposedly "modern feminist" reasons should simply allow her to decide what she wants for her wedding. I mean isn't that being rather two faced of the Clergy? Demanding that she show she's equal to Daniel and then telling her she can't make her own choices about her own wedding?
 
rop81 said:
This is what the church (and so many other Swedish people) react to... That a father is giving his daughter to another man
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The father is escorting his daughter, a single woman, to the altar and she leaves together with her husband as a couple. She is not "given" away, she is being escorted. Women can be escorted by other family members if their father is not able or no longer living, a brother or even her mom.
 
ruthieviews

I am amazed at the amount of discussions about how CP Victoria will walk down the aisle and with whom. It is her wedding and it is Daniel's wedding. It is their decision. I don't care if she comes down the aisle doing cartwheels, if that is what they truly want.:lol: We should all back off and let them make this decision based on their wishes.
 
To be fair, ruthieviews, I doubt they'll be consulting TRF for opinions. I think it's okay to speculate about what might happen during the wedding -- we've all got to do something in the waiting period before June 19!
 
PetraHel said:
I am very surprised by the Swedish tradition, that a bride isn´t escorted down the aisle by her father. I have never heard about this. Actually I thought it is common everywhere. However, if it is their tradition, then they should do like they are used to. But to understand the fact, that a bride is walked down the aisle by her father, like some display of gender discrimination, is a silliness, to put it mildly. The father acts there like her support and representative of her family, not an owner of his daughter. Grooms (at least in my country) go with their mums, and no one thinks they are their mothers´ property.
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In Sweden we never had this tradition of the father - as a support or representative of the brides family ("owner")- to walk the bride into the church... Here the wedding is a common act based of a common decision between the woman and the man who are getting married (not their familys)- and therefore they walk together into the church! And that was the case even in those days women were minors until they were 21 years and did not have the pomission to vote in the elections and everything else... and as far as I know its been the tradition at least as long as Sweden been a christian country... from the years between 800-900 (after Chist of course :D)...

And if we go back and take a look at the service books of Church of Sweden, there is no such thing as give the bride away from Laurentsius Petri´s 1571 until 2010...(and same thing in the other churches in Sweden, but they are of course younger :) ) . Until 1521 Sweden was a chatolic country so I dont have info from that time... But I find it not too likely that they changed the tradition of marriage in the reformation, when Sweden became a Lutheran country...

So this is why many Swedes are upset and don´t want their crown princess to be hadled over by her father....
And if you ask me I feel sorry for those grooms standing alone in the church and everybody are turning their heads FROM him to look at the bride and her old father (father in law) coming down the aisle... Its such a joy to walk that walk together as sign of a common decision and a beginning of a life together. So I definitly dont want to change theat tradition! (and since I am a pastor of one of the churches in Sweden I can actively contribute to keep the old Swedish tradition)
 
I do believe there are strong arguments onwirher side, but at the end of the day, it is for Victoria and Daniel to decide - whilst they have duties, it is their wedding!
 
ruthieviews said:
I am amazed at the amount of discussions about how CP Victoria will walk down the aisle and with whom. It is her wedding and it is Daniel's wedding. It is their decision. I don't care if she comes down the aisle doing cartwheels, if that is what they truly want.:lol: We should all back off and let them make this decision based on their wishes.
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LOL :D
I agree. I don't really care about that either. I hope for her sake she gets her wedding as she wants it to be but I'm just filled up with everything else.
If this is what they both want then let them.
 
Prince Joachim and Princess Marie will apparently not attend, as Joachim has to stay as regent in Denmark.
 
lumutqueen said:
Prince Joachim and Princess Marie will apparently not attend, as Joachim has to stay as regent in Denmark.
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oh, that is sad news! i thought since the danish and swedish families were close that we would see them all there. besides, marie never attended a royal wedding. it's a shame. i believe that everyone in the dutch royal family attended the wedding of the danish couple? i wonder who was left as a regent... maybe it can be benedikte?
 
carlota said:
oh, that is sad news! i thought since the danish and swedish families were close that we would see them all there. besides, marie never attended a royal wedding. it's a shame. i believe that everyone in the dutch royal family attended the wedding of the danish couple? i wonder who was left as a regent... maybe it can be benedikte?
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I'm not sure why you said Benedikte was left as regent when The Dutch came to Denmark. :ermm:

Btw the list you posted has been known for a long while.
 
Well I think it's a shame to walk down the aisle together, the bride and groom. It's so much more wonderful to have the father escort her. I hope Victoria gets what she wants. I love to see the King escort her.
 
CrownPrincess5 said:
Well I think it's a shame to walk down the aisle together, the bride and groom. It's so much more wonderful to have the father escort her. I hope Victoria gets what she wants. I love to see the King escort her.
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Well, on any other day I'd agree. However, am I correct in saying that on her ascention to the throne she will be head of the Church? If so she needs to be seen to support the Church, not create division.

Sorry, but it's because she is who she is and if the people of Sweden expect her to uphold their traditions then she needs to be listening. It seems that even the secular people of Sweden are getting up in arms and, to be honest, the Monarchy doesn't need the wedding of the heir to the throne to be a cause of contention.

However, I sometimes wonder if we are all getting angst ridden for nothing as the whole topic may be merely deflecting the eye from something else possibly even more contentious.
 
I don't think she will be head of there church.
Not like QEII is head of the church in the UK.
 
the swedish church is seperated from the state, so Victoria will not be head of the church
 
Soli Deo Gloria said:
In Sweden we never had this tradition of the father - as a support or representative of the brides family ("owner")- to walk the bride into the church... Here the wedding is a common act based of a common decision between the woman and the man who are getting married (not their familys)- and therefore they walk together into the church! And that was the case even in those days women were minors until they were 21 years and did not have the pomission to vote in the elections and everything else... and as far as I know its been the tradition at least as long as Sweden been a christian country... from the years between 800-900 (after Chist of course :D)...

And if we go back and take a look at the service books of Church of Sweden, there is no such thing as give the bride away from Laurentsius Petri´s 1571 until 2010...(and same thing in the other churches in Sweden, but they are of course younger :) ) . Until 1521 Sweden was a chatolic country so I dont have info from that time... But I find it not too likely that they changed the tradition of marriage in the reformation, when Sweden became a Lutheran country...

So this is why many Swedes are upset and don´t want their crown princess to be hadled over by her father....
And if you ask me I feel sorry for those grooms standing alone in the church and everybody are turning their heads FROM him to look at the bride and her old father (father in law) coming down the aisle... Its such a joy to walk that walk together as sign of a common decision and a beginning of a life together. So I definitly dont want to change theat tradition! (and since I am a pastor of one of the churches in Sweden I can actively contribute to keep the old Swedish tradition)
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Thanks for a great post :flowers: really explaining the reasons of the debate.
 
ruthieviews

It is indeed a shame that H.K.H Prince Joachim and H.K.H. Marie cannot attend the Swedish Royal Wedding. It appears that all of the other Scandinavian Royal Families will attend. Isn't there someone else who could be regent? How about Princess Benedikte? Are there any other Danish royals who could do this? Since Denmark is so close to Sweden, it would not be difficult for one or more of the royals to return auickly in case of a crisis. Prince Joachim and Marie are such a beautiful couple. Marie is usually the most beautifully dressed of the group. She often upstages H.K.H Mary. Is that perhaps the reason she has been pulled from the original invitation list and replaced by another minor royal in the Danish attending group? Just wondering.:whistling:
 
She hasn't been replaced on any list, she is still there. IMO she doesn't often upstage Mary, Marie often looks like a hollywood starlet or as if she is wearing a nighty. Her day clothes aren't much better.
Joachim has obviously decided that he will stay in Denmark on behalf of the Danish Royals.
We don't know who will attend until the day.
 
Soli Deo Gloria said:
In Sweden we never had this tradition of the father - as a support or representative of the brides family ("owner")- to walk the bride into the church... Here the wedding is a common act based of a common decision between the woman and the man who are getting married (not their familys)- and therefore they walk together into the church! And that was the case even in those days women were minors until they were 21 years and did not have the pomission to vote in the elections and everything else... and as far as I know its been the tradition at least as long as Sweden been a christian country... from the years between 800-900 (after Chist of course :D)...

And if we go back and take a look at the service books of Church of Sweden, there is no such thing as give the bride away from Laurentsius Petri´s 1571 until 2010...(and same thing in the other churches in Sweden, but they are of course younger :) ) . Until 1521 Sweden was a chatolic country so I dont have info from that time... But I find it not too likely that they changed the tradition of marriage in the reformation, when Sweden became a Lutheran country...

So this is why many Swedes are upset and don´t want their crown princess to be hadled over by her father....
And if you ask me I feel sorry for those grooms standing alone in the church and everybody are turning their heads FROM him to look at the bride and her old father (father in law) coming down the aisle... Its such a joy to walk that walk together as sign of a common decision and a beginning of a life together. So I definitly dont want to change theat tradition! (and since I am a pastor of one of the churches in Sweden I can actively contribute to keep the old Swedish tradition)
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During the catholic periode, Sweden had the bride give away tradition and this tradition did change slowly after the reformation. But it is mostly due to changes in the Law of Marrige when Sweden introduced the Ban of Forced Marriage some during 17th century naivly thinking that would change anything as women were still minors. Walking together to the altar were suppsed to symbolise a freedom to enter marrige on your own accord but that freedom did not exist and if you had on opportunity to ask those women if they had choosen their groom themselves, if their fathers/brothers/fathers-in-law had any influence, you would probably find a minority saying it was their decision and theirs alone.

Sweden was mainly an agricultural society at that time and the preservation of the land and farm were important and neighbours all to often married their children regardless.

For me personally, this is not big issue. I respect whatever decision Victoria and Daniel take. I grow up in Sweden but married in Norway and according to Norwegian tradition, my father escorted me to the altar. It was a very special moment for both of us and I certainly did not feel supressed or unequal in any way, on the contrary, it was a nice way of saying good bye to single life and hello marrige life and I never regretted.

I certainly would like to change to a freedom of choice, it is their marrige and ceremon and not the priest's, pastor's or archbishop's.
 
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Regardless of Swedish tradition, this is more in keeping with Victoria's personality.

IMO, Victoria has never come off as this strong, independent feminist. She appears somewhat docile and this having her father give her away suits her personality.
 
Really good interview with serious and interesting questions for once.
They are so adorable as a couple, not only they look so good together but they have love written all over their foreheads.
Such respect for each other.
This wedding will be magic. :)
 
I think it's unfortunate - and unprofessional - that the Archbishop openly criticized the Crown Princess' decision to walk down the aisle with her father. While it may no longer be tradition - and though the tradition may have originally looked upon females as chattel - in western society a female today would not consider the tradition to hold the same meaning, i.e., they would likely look upon it as their parents giving their blessing (i.e., a sign of support). The fact that CP Victoria chose to do this emphasizes that she is not being given away, i.e., she is not a possession, but rather it shows her father's support. This is a great moment in her life. If she chooses to have her father walk with her down the aisle, fine. There is absolutely no need to for the Church to speak on this, and I think the Archbishop should apologize for commenting publicly in such a manner.
 
For those who can receive german TV

The Wedding will be broadcasted live by ZDF from 14h30 until 19h00
It will be moderated by Norbert Lehmann and Karen Webb. Commentors will be Norbert Loh, Julia Melchor
and Archduchess Walburga, Countess Douglas
http://www.tvinfo.de...ung+einer+liebe

and by NDR (as ARD is showing the Soccer-WM) from 14h30 until 17h30
It will be moderatedbyJulia Niharika Sen and Commentor wil be Rolf Seelmann-Eggebert
http://www.tvinfo.de...aniel+im+glueck
 
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cant we watch the wedding on the internet?
 
That's what I'm saying. they should be free to choose what they want, how they want their wedding. Wasn't Diana, Fergie, Marie, Mary, Mette-Marit escorted by their fathers down the aisle?
 
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