Poetry of Sheikh Mohammed and Crown Prince Hamdan


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???????Why a beautiful poem written by him to his mother is a rebellion against his father?:ermm: I do not understand. Can someone explain to me????????

No,no not directly against his father but he wrote that poem to his mother when S.Mohammed wanted to marry Haya,so in a way he was siding with his mother.
In that way he was critisizing his fathers decision to marry again and take another wife,that´s all.
He didn´t say anything negative about his father,only tried to say something that would comfort his mother.
 
Seems like poor Hamdan was a little bit lovesick or heavily affected by hormones when he wrote those lines...

If I will die
I want that my eyes will close on your image
Because only like that I will rest in peace forever…..

:):):):):):) If you write poetry, you will be always influenced by your hormones. Without these hormones no feelings incur, and with no inner feelings you can not write poems.

Love this lines above......:heart:
 
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Oh,I know,it makes all girls go dreamy-eyed and say "whooo-he´s so romantic ..."
I liked such kind of poems when I was between 13 and 15,but now they seem too kitschy to me,but that´s only my personal opinion and I don´t mean to offend anyone:)
 
Another love poem to a Muslim girl (and no,we don´t know her identitiy ;-) S.Hamdan wrote recited this poem in 2007

She wears a hijab so she is covered and he can’t see her........He asks the other women to help him find his true love.....

:whistling: means: he is seeking a bride - but he hasn´t found someone......miskeen (poor Hamdan)! Since it is from 2007, well, there is hope ....
 
No,no not directly against his father but he wrote that poem to his mother when S.Mohammed wanted to marry Haya,so in a way he was siding with his mother.
In that way he was critisizing his fathers decision to marry again and take another wife,that´s all. He didn´t say anything negative about his father,only tried to say something that would comfort his mother.

Again ????? appear to me. It wasnt the first time, that his father married a other woman. There were several women on the side of his father and he has a number of half-siblings. I´m sure, never he will critisizing his father in this public form. Rather, he will accept the decisions of his father.

Without any outer circumstances (multiple marriages), the love by a son to his mother can be regarded as the first love of a man to a woman.

Oh,I know,it makes all girls go dreamy-eyed and say "whooo-he´s so romantic ..."
I liked such kind of poems when I was between 13 and 15,but now they seem too kitschy to me,but that´s only my personal opinion and I don´t mean to offend anyone:)

;) Is that so - do you think love poems are kitschy? Maybe we should write one for you, in the hope that change your attitude. There is nothing better than when a man put his love and passion into words. ;)
 
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Again ????? appear to me. It wasnt the first time, that his father married a other woman. There were several women on the side of his father and he has a number of half-siblings. I´m sure, never he will critisizing his father in this public form. Rather, he will accept the decisions of his father.

Without any outer circumstances (multiple marriages), the love by a son to his mother can be regarded as the first love of a man to a woman.

Well, poems are open to interpretations and everyone reads and understands them differently depending on cultural background,gender,your life story and education.So that´s just my way of seeing it but there´s no wrong or right in poetry.

;) Is that so - do you think love poems are kitschy? Maybe we should write one for you, then change your attitude. There is nothing better than when a man put his love and passion into words. ;)

I believe in the West we are less ,I don´t know how to say it-well,we are more serious and less emotional in the public and we don´t talk or write so much about love.Doesn´t mean that we are not feeling anything or we are immune to romantic passions,but we don´t show it so openly as Arabs do.
Of course in a private circle ppl do share love letters,poems or little kitschy presents and weddings are always overly emotional (handkerchiefs for the ladies!):flowers:
 
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I believe in the West we are less ,I don´t know how to say it-well,we are more serious and less emotional in the public and we don´t talk or write so much about love.Doesn´t mean that we are not feeling anything or we are immune to romantic passions,but we don´t show it so openly as Arabs do.
Of course in a private circle ppl do share love letters,poems or little kitschy presents and weddings are always overly emotional (handkerchiefs for the ladies!):flowers:

That is why it is always so cold and rainy in Europe :doh:.... I'm joking!
:author:This short poem is written for you by me today. Maybe it will make your day warm and bright!:

My angel, your gentle wings graze my soul
and contributes me to a sun of passion,
in which I burn.
My stars are the mysterious sheen of your blue eyes,
and in the darkness, the thought of you
is my heartbeat.
My longing tearing me apart,
torturing everything in me until to the infinity,
without you, death is a gift.

:flowers: Majid
 
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That is why it is always so cold and rainy in Europe :doh:.... I'm joking!
:author:This short poem is written for you by me today. Maybe it will make your day warm and bright!: :flowers: Majid

-> this is not a joke,it´s true that in colder countries with less sun (Vitamin D!) people have more mental issues like depression and also more alcohol is consumed. If you live in a country with lots of rain and very little sunshine everyone gets a little bit melancholic.
But when you go to Spain,Italy or Greece you will see that they are much more happy & relaxed than on the continent,but they also have a weaker economy than Germany or UK.(I am sure that is co-related!Or if you go to South America,Brazil and Africa you see a lot of smiles and people dancing &celebrating life!) In Austria we have good food & lots of sweets to help us brighten up our mind and our winter is not that long as in Russia or Norway.

Thank you for your sweet poem,it´s lovely! I hope I don´t keep you away from work :)
When I say a poem from Hamdan sounds too kitschy it might also be the translation,some words and expressions can´t be translated in another language properly.
 
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-> this is not a joke,it´s true that in colder countries with less sun (Vitamin D!) people have more mental issues like depression and also more alcohol is consumed. If you live in a country with lots of rain and very little sunshine everyone gets a little bit melancholic.

Random hit by me!

Thank you for your sweet poem,it´s lovely! I hope I don´t keep you away from work :)
When I say a poem from Hamdan sounds too kitschy it might also be the translation,some words and expressions can´t be translated in another language properly.

Thanks God, you like it! Don´t worry. You don't keep me from something. It´s a pleasure for me and I like it to write poems. You are welcome! :flowers:

So did your opinion about emotional poems changed a little? But I agree with you. Translations devour a part of the meaning.
 
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Well,I am not completely ignorant to romantic songs and poems,but I find most of them rather exaggerated or chintzy.

Blaise Pascal said that there are reasons of the heart that the mind cannot comprehend,but in some cases romantic images/language are just used to sell.

For instance if you go to a market they will shout "beautiful woman,I give you good price" or in a clothes shop "oh,you look so great,it´s so cute" or as happened to me in a cake shop the saleswoman told me "Oh,I had to look at your big blue eyes" and I think to myself "Hey,what´s the matter with you"?

There is also a special genre of films that almost always have a very similiar plot,they are called "chick flicks",Katherine Heigl does a lot of such movies,I am sure your sister knows her ;-)
If you take Valentine´s day-it is a nice event and giving flowers is always nice,but it has become such a huge business!They are doing special offers and special editions for Valentine´s or Mother´s day and it is overly commercialised in my opinion.

(By the way-giving flowers on VD is not an invention of flower-shops,Valentin who gave his first name to that day married couples secretly and afterwards he gave them flowers from his own garden.That time the ruler believed that unmarried soldiers were better fighters and so marriage was not allowed for a lot of men.)

Back to poems:
I do like UA Fanthorpe,she is not very well-known but her poems are very delicate and thoughtful,her books are on sale & I´m sure also available in UAE libraries,here´s what Telegraph wrote in her obituary:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obi...es/books-obituaries/5252820/UA-Fanthorpe.html
 
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For instance ...... as happened to me in a cake shop the saleswoman told me "Oh,I had to look at your big blue eyes" .......

:D Since I know now that you have blue eyes, I've modified my poem to you above.

......but in some cases romantic images/language are just used to sell........For instance if you go to a market they will shout "beautiful woman,I give you good price" or in a clothes shop "oh,you look so great,it´s so cute" or as happened to me in a cake shop the saleswoman told me "Oh,I had to look at your big blue eyes" and I think to myself "Hey,what´s the matter with you"?

......giving flowers is always nice,but it has become such a huge business!They are doing special offers and special editions .........and it is overly commercialised in my opinion.

:) In the oasis of the heart is no place for the sale of love. If someone really loves you and it shows - for instance via poems -, this is wonderful.

.........That time the ruler believed that unmarried soldiers were better fighters and so marriage was not allowed for a lot of men.)

The best soldier is the man who fights for his love........and such a battle can have many ways to reach the heaven of passion. ;)

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I do like UA Fanthorpe,she is not very well-known but her poems are very delicate and thoughtful,her books are on sale & I´m sure also available in UAE libraries,here´s what Telegraph wrote in her obituary:
UA Fanthorpe - Telegraph

Thanks for the tip. I will try it out. :flowers:
 
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No,no not directly against his father but he wrote that poem to his mother when S.Mohammed wanted to marry Haya,so in a way he was siding with his mother.
In that way he was critisizing his fathers decision to marry again and take another wife,that´s all.
He didn´t say anything negative about his father,only tried to say something that would comfort his mother.

I've heard this said a lot, but wasn't Sheikha Hind the 2nd or 3rd wife of Sheikh Mohammed and he already had children when he married her? He also added new wives and had children with those women while he was having children with Sh. Hind. It seems that she would not be surprised by his behavior. That's why I don't understand the assumption that his marriage to Haya was so upsetting to her.

:whistling: means: he is seeking a bride - but he hasn´t found someone......miskeen (poor Hamdan)! Since it is from 2007, well, there is hope ....

I imagine that being attractive, wealthy and well-known would make it difficult for Hamdan to find the "right one". There are many beautiful women throwing themselves at him because of his money and status. It's hard for many men to say no to these temptations. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? ;) The problem is that when a nice girl does come along, she may not be so inclined to be involved in a relationship with a man who could be seen as a womanizer. Hamdan himself even wrote a poem where he said that he had "many roses in the bush". :whistling: He also wrote a couple of poems about a woman that he loved who left him. Maybe this is the reason why....
 
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I've heard this said a lot, but wasn't Sheikha Hind the 2nd or 3rd wife of Sheikh Mohammed and he already had children when he married her? He also added new wives and had children with those women while he was having children with Sh. Hind. It seems that she would not be surprised by his behavior. That is why I do not understand why the assumption that his marriage to Haya was so upsetting to her.

Well, Sheikh Mohammed had married several wives beside Sheikha Hind. However, before Sheikh Muhammeds marriage with the Jordanian princess, Haya was a public figure and Sheikh Mohammed could not hide this marriage from public eyes. So it wasn´t longer a private matter. That made the difference. All the other wifes of him - apart from Sheikha Hind and Princess Haya - are purely private marriages with ladies, who have no public significance in terms of a particular rank or special status with the exception of maternity for young Sheikh's or Sheikha's.

We do not know , whether the marriage with Princess Haya provoked consternations with Sheikha Hind or not. But as I know, Sheikh Hamdan hasn´t written this poem to his mother to heal her discomfort because of the new marriage of his father. But I could be wrong.
 
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:D Since I know now that you have blue eyes, I've modified my poem to you above.

If you want to have an idea of the colour look at that cat,I only have a little bit more green in it:)
Stahlblaue Augen - Image & Photo de mucki44 de Katzen - Photographie (23734510) | fotocommunity

But in the darkness of the night all cats are grey,so than the line would not make much sense anymore :p
->My stars are the mysterious sheen of your blue eyes,
and in the darkness, the thought of you
 
But in the darkness of the night all cats are grey,so than the line would not make much sense anymore :p
->My stars are the mysterious sheen of your blue eyes,
and in the darkness, the thought of you

:D Only the cats coats are gray but their eyes have something mysterious in the night. Maybe this is true with your eyes in the same way. I insist!
 
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No,it´s a very common phrase/proverb that we use to say:)
"During the night all cats are grey."
Means that during the night everything looks very similiar or another interpretation is that during the night because you can´t see it you can overlook little flaws.
 
Arrrg, a "cold, neutral and emotionless European/Austrian view" about the night punish my passionate poem with contempt.....:headache: (pls don´t take it serious, I know there are a lot of differences between people with the same nationality and origin).

The Emirati point of view is: If you can not see anything, then that's the charm and the mystery, which brings you up to a inner quake of emotions. ;)

Back to the topic: What do you think about the style of Sheikh Hamdans poetry? Do you like?
 
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Well,there are not many poems available in English so I can´t say.I haven´t read enough of his writing that I would feel comfortable to give an opinion,but I do like the poem he wrote for Sheikha Hind.
The love poems...ahhem..I think you already know;-) They are not my cup of tea,but I believe most girls go crazy when they hear such poems and he has a beautiful way of reciting his poetry.

Arrrg, a cold "european view" about the night punish my passionate poem with contempt.....:headache:

I am afraid I have ruined your joy of writing poems in English,analyzing art makes it unattractive and boring & completely destroys its magical charm.

I think you misunderstand that proverb-for people who are not as attractive as Sheikh Hamdan or Aishwarya Rai, it means they can still snatch a good-looking,smart & nice partner-because in the dark of the night everything looks the same :D
 
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No,it´s a very common phrase/proverb that we use to say:)
"During the night all cats are grey."
Means that during the night everything looks very similiar or another interpretation is that during the night because you can´t see it you can overlook little flaws.

That phrase always makes me laugh because they attribute it to Benjamin Franklin because of a letter he wrote to a young man regarding advice about sexual urges and marriage. His whole point was that it didn't matter if the woman he married was young, old, pretty or ugly because you can't see her in the dark anyways. :ROFLMAO: It's not known whether he attempting to be humorous or not but the story always makes everyone laugh.

You can find an excerpt of the letter & the story here: Advice to a Friend on Choosing a Mistress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Thanks for sharing your knowledge,I didn´t know where that saying came from.
Anyway,it is sound advice: "His whole point was that it didn't matter if the woman he married was young, old, pretty or ugly because you can't see her in the dark anyways."

Haha,Benjamin Franklin had a very pragmatic view on life:)
 
Well,there are not many poems available in English so I can´t say.I haven´t read enough of his writing that I would feel comfortable to give an opinion,but I do like the poem he wrote for Sheikha Hind.
The love poems...ahhem..I think you already know;-) They are not my cup of tea,but I believe most girls go crazy when they hear such poems and he has a beautiful way of reciting his poetry.

I have to admit that I swoon a bit when I hear Hamdan read his poetry in Arabic. :wub: I have no what he's saying but it sounds lovely.
 
I think you misunderstand that proverb-for people who are not as attractive as Sheikh Hamdan or Aishwarya Rai, it means they can still snatch a good-looking,smart & nice partner-because in the dark of the night everything looks the same :D

I understand the meaning of the proverb well, but I was trying to look at it from another side.....from a poetic point. Sheikh Hamdan looks "gray" in the middle of the night, like anyone else of us. And we "carry the same color" like Sheikh Hamdan in the darkness. At the end, the inner values ​​count - and this is also true when you see it in brightness. :flowers:
 
Back to the topic: What do you think about the poetry style of Sheikh Hamdans poetry? Do you like?

The problem for us non-Arabic speakers is that his poems do not translate well into English. I think the problem stems from the fact the English language does not have as many descriptive words as Arabic so when they translate it, it comes out sounding strange. I will use this poem as an example to show what I mean:

To my mother

For all its vast ocean, Dubai seems small
Because its sun has disappeared

Weep, Dubai`s deserts and trees
And the birds have lost their will to sing

And Zabeel, its palace darkened
Only the echo replies

And stars seek their full moon
Which will illuminate the dark black night

Oh candle and light of our house
Oh mother,with yearning, I am burning

If my verses are not enough
My sighs show my yearning

She lends her fragrance to the breeze
Scented flowers are green with envy

The heart beats with with her memory
The vision of her in my eye sleeps

My Allah bestow long life upon her
To stay with us so long

And bring her soon from her travels
By His will she will return in good health

I love this poem, but in English it almost sounds as if he is writing to a lover and not his mother. Especially phrases like this:

Oh mother,with yearning, I am burning

If my verses are not enough
My sighs show my yearning

We would never use words like "burning" and "yearning" about our mothers because those words, when said to or about another person, are used to convey passion, romance or sexual desires. Of course, the other problem with the English language is that our words often have double meanings. For example, phrases like "my house is burning down" or "I am yearning to learn about Arabic culture" have nothing to do with love or romance. It can be very confusing unless someone explains the meaning behind it.
 
I understand the meaning of the proverb well, but I was trying to look at it from another side.....from a poetic point. Sheikh Hamdan looks "gray" in the middle of the night, like anyone else of us. And we "carry the same color" like Sheikh Hamdan in the darkness. At the end, the inner values ​​count - and this is also true when you see it in brightness. :flowers:

You are right, the inner qualities are the most important. I have found that a person's character can actually make them become more or less attractive then what they really are.

For example, Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian would be considered attractive women. However, their actions and attitudes are not always good so when you see them you become repulsed by them even though they might be considered attractive on a physical level.

Another example is this - my friends and I watched the movie "Sense & Sensibility" that starred the actor Alan Rickman. He is older and not someone that my friends or I would typically find attractive. However, his character was so nice and kind to Kate Winslet's character in the movie that we all fell in love with him and had to go and watch all his movies. :wub: Silly, I know. :lol: But it just shows how actions can change someone's perception of you.
 
Muhaha,two men discussing that inner values are more important than looks,I can´t stop myself from laughing!
If there is anyone who rather looks at inner qualities (kindness,intelligence,humour,empathy,experience,creativity etc.) than it would rather be females,how else can you explain that so many young & pretty women fall for older guys? I know it´s a clichee but if you look around you will find out that most men are judging women mainly by standards of appearance. (Not all of them-of course,but for the vast majority it´s true.) That also (partly) explains why divorced men do get remarried more often than divorced women-simply because a woman who has had several pregnancies or a difficult marriage will not look as fresh and cute as she did when she was a 20-something innocent,naive young girl.
I do have a lot of girlfriends my age who are crazy about Alan Rickman or Javier Bardem,they find that men with character and edges are more interesting than "babyfaces".I have never heard a man say that he wants to have a girlfriend with grey hair and wrinkles that tell her lifestory. (Of course,there are exceptions to the rule,but it is scientifically proven that men are looking for women who seem fertile-young-healthy while women rather look for security-character & father qualities.)

The problem for us non-Arabic speakers is that his poems do not translate well into English. I think the problem stems from the fact the English language does not have as many descriptive words as Arabic so when they translate it, it comes out sounding strange.
I love this poem, but in English it almost sounds as if he is writing to a lover and not his mother. Especially phrases like this:
We would never use words like "burning" and "yearning" about our mothers because those words, when said to or about another person, are used to convey passion, romance or sexual desires. Of course, the other problem with the English language is that our words often have double meanings. For example, phrases like "my house is burning down" or "I am yearning to learn about Arabic culture" have nothing to do with love or romance. It can be very confusing unless someone explains the meaning behind it.

That´s right,coming from a similiar cultural background I understand what you mean. "burning and yearning" are very strong,passionate words that would work well in a romantic poem but I would never write it to my mum or anyone I am not romantically linked to.
Maybe I would write that I am missing her,or that I anticipate her with joy & happiness-something like that.
It´s true-the double meanings are quite tricky and sometimes you need to know colloqial language or local gossip/sayings to understand the fun in a pun or the important point in a poem.
Nabati poems also use that double-meanings (there is a musical instrument-oud-that also has a different meaning as well) just like Robert Frost does to either cleverly mislead the reader,challenge his intelligence or say things which are not politically correct or would not be said openly in the public.
 
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Oh,sorry,i thought that Charlie stands for a male name like Charlie Chaplin or Charlie Sheene;-) So you are Charlene or Charlotte?
 
Oh,sorry,i thought that Charlie stands for a male name like Charlie Chaplin or Charlie Sheene;-) So you are Charlene or Charlotte?

No worries, I seriously had the best laugh over that. :lol: It's Charlotte. :)
 
(1)I imagine that being attractive, wealthy and well-known would make it difficult for Hamdan to find the "right one". There are many beautiful women throwing themselves at him because of his money and status. It's hard for many men to say no to these temptations. (2)Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? ;) The problem is that when a nice girl does come along, (3)she may not be so inclined to be involved in a relationship with a man who could be seen as a womanizer. Hamdan himself even wrote a poem where he said that he had (4)"many roses in the bush". :whistling: He also wrote a couple of poems about a woman that he loved who left him. Maybe this is the reason why....

I have highlighted the most interesting parts & numbered important sentences
(1)That is certainly true,money attracts a lot of bad people who only want superficial things and don´t have moral values.The Quran is warning believers from the dangers of too much wealth and that it might corrupt one´s character,just as well as it is expected that every muslim gives at least 10% of his wealth to charity,it is one of the five pillars of Islam and people will look down on you if you are extremely wealthy and don´t give to the poor.
You will see that ALL Muslim royals have some charity and donate a lot of money-Sheikha Hind is very generous just like S.Mohammed,Haya and most of Mo´s kids have a foundation that serves a good cause.

(2)You have adopted Benjamin Franklin´s way of thinking-practical,pragmatic and prosaic. (Notice that alliteration,I love alliterations:D)

(3) That´s true,I would be very very guarded and careful if I meet Sheikh Hamdan or Rashid,they are followed by girls like bees follow honey:ROFLMAO:
It´s always creating traffic jams when Hamdan turns up somewhere and girls are shouting like groupies at a pop concert!Terrible,I really hope that doesn´t make him afraid of women,such gaudy girly behaviour would completely turn me off but maybe he enjoys that.
Queen Rania of Jordan said in an interview that when she first met Abdullah she thought he was just a womanizer and didn´t want a serious relationship because he´s a prince and has lots of money etc.

(4)Did he really write it with that words?I know it´s silly but I really can´t help myself-you know,we were discussing double meanings of certain words and what they might imply... it´s simply hilarious:w00t:
 
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Muhaha,two men discussing that inner values are more important than looks,I can´t stop myself from laughing!
If there is anyone who rather looks at inner qualities (kindness,intelligence,humour,empathy,experience,creativity etc.)

Maybe it is funny for you, but some men have a look at inner qualities by the ladies. I think, these qualities are more important than a beautiful outside with a empty content. Maybe this is the reason why Sheikh Hamdan wrote a lot of love-poems but didn´t find his soul mate.
 
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