New Titles for Queen Margrethe's Descendants: 2008 & 2022, 2024

[Izzie]

Breaking:

https://www.bt.dk/royale/kongehuset...s-boerns-fremtid-der-er-fortsat-elementer-som

Now that Joachim's children soon won't be full members of the DRF anymore there are a number of questions:
Will they appear at DRF events in the future?
Will the children have last names and new passports?
Will they, in light of their new titles, be nobles and no longer royal?
Will they begin to vote in elections?
Will they lose their immunity?

The response from Lene Balleby at the PR office is:
"There are still elements that needs to be determined finally."

Alexandra's secretary has declined to comment on the latest response from the court.

ADDED:
https://www.billedbladet.dk/kongeli...lie-lukker-nu-helt-ned-slut-med-ord-om-krisen

Alexandra's secretary has said that Alexandra and J&M will no longer comment on this issue at present.

- I interpret that as talks taking place behind the scenes and a compromise regarding the chidlren is being worked out. - Well, I sure hope I'm right!

Wait wait...I thought QMII herself said this is something she's thought about for a long time. I thought good ol Lene said Joachim had been allegedly involved since May (which many are using to blame Joachim for the whole thing even calling him a bad parent). And NOW..AFTER the press release dropped and all he%* broke lose including the QMII getting bad press and poor Lene and her Comms Department getting ripped a new one...NOW all of a sudden there are STILL elements that need to be determined finally?!? Seriously?

Then WHY was a press released dropped about this important decision IF EVERYTHING was not already decided? What kind of lack of foresight is that? Did NO ONE think of the reactions, consequences, fallout? Apparently not. And NOW Lene comes out with well some things need to be finalized?!? Well, maybe Joachim's version is not as full of lies as some thought. Maybe there is something there. Maybe they were blindsided by a press release dropping. Maybe discussions were ongoing bts and then all of a sudden QMII decided arbitrarily to do this with zero counsel.

This just lends even more weight to my opinion that for some yet unknown/unexplained reason the Queen WENT ROGUE and no one could STOP her. And once she screwed up then the comms department were left with NO alternative than to back her up. Mary was put in a hugely awkward position as we saw the other day (and yes, I think she looked drained, tired, distressed).

Sounds to me like this was NOT anywhere near finalized. It was not well thought out and the terms had not been laid out for anyone (other than in the Queen's mind apparently) to fully review and approve.

And NOW this makes it looks like the DRF saying..yeah we know we screwed up so NOW we are going to throw this out there to make it all and QMII look better.

Honestly, if I was in the communications department right now I would be pulling my hair out at this debacle.

Interesting this happens today. Makes part of me wonder if Frederik came home yesterday and said...fix this mess!! NOW!! Maybe he reached out to Joachim and told him stop talking for now please.

You know what....maybe this SHOULD have been left to Frederik to handle in the near future...he probably would have done a much better job at cushioning any blow and mitigating any fallout.

 

[kimebear]

It is not a mistake but is only very logic and very wise that persons who have no role in the Royal House have no title of said Royal House. The example I gave a few posts earlier is illustrative: otherwise in 50 years, in 2072, there would be Princes or Princesses of Denmark walking around, who hold that title because a Queen, three Reigns ago, happened to be their Nan.

This is 2022. It is really not sustainable to continue as if it is still 1922.

You keep throwing the word sustainable around as if somehow the children of Joachim are being sustained by the royal house independently of their father's appanage. They are not. Not a single krone will be affected by titling them either HH Prince Nikolai or HE Count Felix.

Stripping titles from adults who have carried them for the entirety of their lives and have done nothing to embarrass the monarchy is absolute rubbish, especially as they remain in the line of succession. Better to have just secured the future of a smaller monarchy by announcing a change in how titles are handed out in the future.

 

[Prinsara]

Will someone please explain why everyone insists on referring to the Danish, Norwegian and Greek royal dynasties as "Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg"?

I am well aware that they descend in male line from the ducal house of Sonderburg, itself descended in male line from the ducal house of Schleswig and Holstein, itself descended in male line from the royal house of Denmark.

But all three royal houses have made clear that the name of their house is Glücksburg (in Danish, Glücksborg).

It's more fun to say. Quite seriously.

It also sees use in popular culture like The Crown, which must in itself have gotten the idea from somewhere.

 

[Mbruno]

I recall when the announcement was made about changes in the Swedish Royal Family that many expressed surprise not at the changes themselves and the need for the change, rather that the King did it himself and did not leave it to his heir apparent. I suspect that this is at play here as well. As others have mentioned the Danish Royal Family has used marriage as a means of thinning / streamlining in the past. However how well would that approach play out to modern sensibilities?

The Danish Royal Family has already allowed unequal / commoner marriages, so they cannot use an unequal marriage as a means of streamlining. Where they have not been tested / challenged is when it comes to marrying Danish commoners. Frederik and Joachim married foreigners, Princess Elisabeth chose to not marry and her brother Ingolf chose not to seek consent for his marriage to a Danish commoner because he did not expect the marriage to be approved.

My take (and others) is that the real issue / objection is removing the princely titles, and despite what Alexandra's spokesperson said, I suspect that Joachim, et. al., would not have quietly accepted any of his children losing their titles upon marriage. Furthermore (IMO), the negativity that the current or future monarch would encounter would be considerably more for stripping titles upon marriage, than what is being experienced now, especially since there is a good likelihood that the marriage would be to a Danish commoner.


(regardless of my opinion on the matter)

I agree with you, Queen Claude. Once equal marriages ceased to be a requirement, what argument would the Queen (or King) in the Council of State (i.e., with the government) have to deny consent to a marriage if Nikolai or Felix formally asked for it?

Maybe it was implied that they voluntarily would not seek consent, but denying consent if they sought it would definitely look anachronic in the 21st century. Besides that route would hurt Joachim's children even further because, not only would they lose the princely title, but also they and the descendants of the marriage would lose their place in the line of succession. I can't possibly understand how that would be preferable to what they have been offered now (no titles, but intact succession rights, maybe even post-marriage) unless Nikolai and Felix indeed wanted to remain HH Princes long enough to profit from the title and get a professional head start out of it.

 

[polyesco]

Statement from the Queen
https://www.instagram.com/p/CjQgSkCDfRd/
https://www.kongehuset.dk/nyheder/udmelding-fra-h-m-dronningen

added (google translate so forgive any errors)

In recent days, there have been strong reactions to my decision on the future use of titles for Prince Joachim's four children. It obviously affects me.

My decision has been a long time coming. With my 50 years on the throne, it is natural both to look back and to look forward. It is my duty and my wish as Queen to ensure that the monarchy continues to shape itself in keeping with the times. It sometimes requires difficult decisions to be made, and it will always be difficult to find the right moment.

Carrying a royal title entails a number of obligations and duties, which will in future be the responsibility of fewer members of the royal family. This adaptation, which I see as a necessary safeguard for the future of the monarchy, I want to make in my time.

I have made my decision as Queen, mother and grandmother, but as a mother and grandmother I have underestimated how much my youngest son and his family feel affected. It makes a big impression, and I'm sorry for that.

No one should be in doubt that my children, children-in-law and grandchildren are my great joy and pride. I now hope that we as a family can find the peace to find our way through this situation ourselves.


Margaret R

 

[Izzie]

Oh so NOW she puts put yet another press release. Good grief. And it gets posts AFTER it is said Joachim and Co will not be commenting further. Good grief.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CjQgSkCDfRd/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

That press release says nothing IMO. It is literally a too bad...so sad. Oh yeah and a feeble attempt at damage control. I'm at a loss at to what she's doing at this point. And my question AGAIN...if she's thought about this for SOOOO LONG then why are details still.neesing to be finalized? Why was that press release put out last week for an unfinished plan? Yeah just keep aide eyeing this whole thing.

Statement from the Queen
https://www.instagram.com/p/CjQgSkCDfRd/
https://www.kongehuset.dk/nyheder/udmelding-fra-h-m-dronningen

added (google translate so forgive any errors)

In recent days, there have been strong reactions to my decision on the future use of titles for Prince Joachim's four children. It obviously affects me.

My decision has been a long time coming. With my 50 years on the throne, it is natural both to look back and to look forward. It is my duty and my wish as Queen to ensure that the monarchy continues to shape itself in keeping with the times. It sometimes requires difficult decisions to be made, and it will always be difficult to find the right moment.

Carrying a royal title entails a number of obligations and duties, which will in future be the responsibility of fewer members of the royal family. This adaptation, which I see as a necessary safeguard for the future of the monarchy, I want to make in my time.

I have made my decision as Queen, mother and grandmother, but as a mother and grandmother I have underestimated how much my youngest son and his family feel affected. It makes a big impression, and I'm sorry for that.

No one should be in doubt that my children, children-in-law and grandchildren are my great joy and pride. I now hope that we as a family can find the peace to find our way through this situation ourselves.


Margaret R

Yeah...someone didn't like the negative PR I guess...this just reads at too bad..so ? oh NOW she wants peace to find their way through this situation? Did she think about doing that before? I once again question why a press release was put out last week about a decision that apparently as of TODAY has un-finalized details (as stated by Lene herself). I ask again, if THIS was a plan a long time coming...and in play since May...would you not think all the little wrinkles would have been ironed out BEFORE putting the announcement out into the public domain? This makes this latest statement look like serious damage control.

This latest statement is what is called "backtracking" to save some serious face in light of the fallout.

Plus, IMO...it shows someone that made a very serious decision without any foresight, forethought or any thought to the consequences/reactions of said actions.

 

[camelot23ca]

Statement from the Queen
https://www.instagram.com/p/CjQgSkCDfRd/
https://www.kongehuset.dk/nyheder/udmelding-fra-h-m-dronningen

added (google translate so forgive any errors)

In recent days, there have been strong reactions to my decision on the future use of titles for Prince Joachim's four children. It obviously affects me.

My decision has been a long time coming. With my 50 years on the throne, it is natural both to look back and to look forward. It is my duty and my wish as Queen to ensure that the monarchy continues to shape itself in keeping with the times. It sometimes requires difficult decisions to be made, and it will always be difficult to find the right moment.

Carrying a royal title entails a number of obligations and duties, which will in future be the responsibility of fewer members of the royal family. This adaptation, which I see as a necessary safeguard for the future of the monarchy, I want to make in my time.

I have made my decision as Queen, mother and grandmother, but as a mother and grandmother I have underestimated how much my youngest son and his family feel affected. It makes a big impression, and I'm sorry for that.

No one should be in doubt that my children, children-in-law and grandchildren are my great joy and pride. I now hope that we as a family can find the peace to find our way through this situation ourselves.


Margaret R

This is a good statement. Paragraphs 2, 3 and some of five should have been released at the time of the announcement itself.

I like that she made the point that it’s hard to find the right moment to make difficult decisions - I think that’s true, as the back and forth on this board about that exact issue shows.

I hope Joachim, Marie and Alexandra realize no one stands to gain by them making further public statements. And I also hope Margrethe has a genuine discussion with Joachim’s children, especially the two eldest, going into more detail about why she made this decision, and letting them know she sincerely regrets that the clumsy way the announcement was handled caused them to be hurt. Of all the adults involved here, it’s Nikolai with his fairly restrained comments, and Felix with his silence, who have handled this situation best.

 

[tihkon2]

I interpret it as they've been told to stop whining about privilege!

I most seriously doubt that and choose to believe what I actually read, and that Muhler is correct and there are now negotiations going on. Not on losing the Princely titles, but on those finer points such as voting , etc...

 

[Sister Morphine]

I'm sure she expected the adults in the situation to be unhappy with her decision, but I'm also sure she wasn't anticipating the level of their anger. And again, that's their problem, not hers. Sometimes you need to separate the family member from the sovereign.

I don't think QEII liked having to tell her sister she couldn't marry Peter Townsend, despite knowing how much they loved each other, but as head of the CoE, she couldn't allow Margaret to marry a divorced man. The queen had to supersede the sister, and in this instance, the queen has to supersede the mother and the grandmother.

 

[tommy100]

Breaking:

https://www.bt.dk/royale/kongehuset...s-boerns-fremtid-der-er-fortsat-elementer-som

Now that Joachim's children soon won't be full members of the DRF anymore there are a number of questions:
Will they appear at DRF events in the future?
Will the children have last names and new passports?
Will they, in light of their new titles, be nobles and no longer royal?
Will they begin to vote in elections?
Will they lose their immunity?

The response from Lene Balleby at the PR office is:
"There are still elements that needs to be determined finally."

Alexandra's secretary has declined to comment on the latest response from the court.

ADDED:
https://www.billedbladet.dk/kongeli...lie-lukker-nu-helt-ned-slut-med-ord-om-krisen

Alexandra's secretary has said that Alexandra and J&M will no longer comment on this issue at present.

- I interpret that as talks taking place behind the scenes and a compromise regarding the chidlren is being worked out. - Well, I sure hope I'm right!

This just makes me questions what on earth is going on more. I would say, and just my opinion, this definitely suggests there hasn't been all that much conversation about the children loosing the titles in the past. I can actually understand some of J&M&Alexandra's upset more now if all these questions are still up in the air (not saying I think all the speaking out has been the best move). It shows it was announced to the public far too soon. These issues should have been discussed and resolved before the public were told. I think I said many pages and posts back that communication is key when people are unhappy, they need to know exactly how it will affect them and this has played out. While I don't suspect Joachim especially would ever have been made up about his titles being taken I do think if there had been more discussion then the level of anger and upset would have been less.

We can round in circles on the loss of the titles but this does so much underline to me that it has been handled poorly. I really don't get the need to rush it through if such things have not been settled.

I do wonder if Margrethe questions how this has been handled or if she just thinks it is all J&M over reacting. A little humility and acceptance of her mistakes in this might help J&M and the grandchildren accept it. While I don't think there is anything as dramatic to come in the Danish RF history, certainly under Daisy's reign, it would certainly help things in the future is lessons are learnt from it.

 

[Prinsara]

At least she said she is sorry for something. Which is the right thing to do tonally whether one feels it is warranted or not.

Now if most of this should have been released with the original decision, why wasn't it?

Someone truly deserves to get sacked over this, and it ain't Joachim.

 

[ppetrica]

Yeah...someone didn't like the negative PR I guess...this just reads at too bad..so ? oh NOW she wants peace to find their way through this situation? Did she think about doing that before? I once again question why a press release was put out last week about a decision that apparently as of TODAY has un-finalized details (as stated by Lene herself). I ask again, if THIS was a plan a long time coming...and in play since May...would you not think all the little wrinkles would have been ironed out BEFORE putting the announcement out into the public domain? This makes this latest statement look like serious damage control.

This latest statement is what is called "backtracking" to save some serious face in light of the fallout.

Plus, IMO...it shows someone that made a very serious decision without any foresight, forethought or any thought to the consequences/reactions of said actions.

Wow, what a tone!
You really hate the Queen with every fiber of your being...

 

[Izzie]

I most seriously doubt that and choose to believe what I actually read, and that Muhler is correct and there are now negotiations going on. Not on losing the Princely titles, but on those finer points such as voting , etc...

Details that SHOULD have been discussed and ironed out BEFORE the first statement was even put out. Now, this latest statement screams DAMAGE CONTROL. Maybe the Queen's decisions, press releases should be more closely reviewed by someone before being made public so that this does not happen again.

 

[JR76]

This is a good statement. Paragraphs 2, 3 and some of five should have been released at the time of the announcement itself.



[...] Of all the adults involved here, it’s Nikolai with his fairly restrained comments, and Felix with his silence, who have handled this situation best.

Great points that I agree with. I've felt all through this that JAM made their children a huge disfavour by airing their grievances in such an emotional way. If anyone has handled this well in public it's their two sons.
Besides that I think that this will be the last comment on the issue that we get from HM. After this she'll go private and hopefully pick up the phone to her son and her grandchildren. We all have many different views about her decision and how it was handled, but one thing is certain - Queen Margrethe has never been afraid to face criticism and controversies head-on and has never been afraid to admit when she's made a mistake.

 

[theroyalfly]

We could argue on and on about what should have been done, but, what's done is done. The titles have been removed, the affected family are furious, and there is media storm over it. I will be watching, with much curiosity, how things unfold in the DRK over the next few months.

It's rather crazy how this decision has made more noise than her own Jubilee. And yes, everything is done. We could only speculate what really happened behind the curtains.

As for the problems with the disgruntled spare, perhaps a monarch should be limited to one child?

Perhaps, they should set this in stone lol

I have made my decision as Queen, mother and grandmother, but as a mother and grandmother I have underestimated how much my youngest son and his family feel affected. It makes a big impression, and I'm sorry for that.

I'm sorry but I still feel like 'yes' the Queen did what she had to do as a monarch. But as a mother and grandmother, I'm not sure.

 

[muriel]

Someone truly deserves to get sacked over this, and it ain't Joachim.

I do thik Joachim needs a sharp rap on the knuckles for speaking to the press on a matter that shoyld have been settled internally.

 

[Prinsara]

I do thik Joachim needs a sharp rap on the knuckles for speaking to the press on a matter that shoyld have been settled internally.

Why, when his mother likely wouldn't have even issued an apology if no one had said anything?

In English: https://www.kongehuset.dk/en/news/statement-from-hm-the-queen

 

[Izzie]

Wow, what a tone!
You really hate the Queen with every fiber of your being...

I am calling out the serious inconsistencies with this whole thing. Plain and simple. And yes, the PR world...this is called backtracking and damage control. Why was this not the tone with the initial press release? Why was a press release even put out if, as was said today, details still being worked out? These are perfectly reasonable questions to ask after the debacle of the last few days.

And the Queen is NOT infallible. She is NOT a deity. And IMO she SCREWED up! MY opinion, which I am entitled to have. And I have made NO secret on this forum that I think M&F are more than ready to take the reigns and QMII should do as Princess Beatrix did and allow the younger generation to move the monarchy forward. Do I hate her? No....of course not. That is a ridiculous statement to make.

At least she said she is sorry for something. Which is the right thing to do tonally whether one feels it is warranted or not.

Now if most of this should have been released with the original decision, why wasn't it?

Someone truly deserves to get sacked over this, and it ain't Joachim.

I actually wonder who really is behind this statement being issued today AFTER it was announced by Alexandra's PR person that she, J&M would no longer be talking to the press.

So who negotiated this compromise or cease fire? I have a guess
Who "strongly suggested" QMII put out some sort of statement? See answer to question above.
Why all of a sudden is Lene B saying that all the details of his decision have not been finalized? A decision apparently a long time coming?
Why then was the press release put out for what is apparently an incomplete plan with details still to iron out? - Lends to the weight of the argument of being blindsided and given just days notice.
Why did it have to come out last week like it did? What is the urgency?
Why the 3 month delay in it taking effect?

Way too many questions and inconsistencies. Just lends itself to the speculation that for some reason QMII went rogue.

 

[Alisa]

Statement from the Queen
https://www.instagram.com/p/CjQgSkCDfRd/
https://www.kongehuset.dk/nyheder/udmelding-fra-h-m-dronningen

added (google translate so forgive any errors)

In recent days, there have been strong reactions to my decision on the future use of titles for Prince Joachim's four children. It obviously affects me.

My decision has been a long time coming. With my 50 years on the throne, it is natural both to look back and to look forward. It is my duty and my wish as Queen to ensure that the monarchy continues to shape itself in keeping with the times. It sometimes requires difficult decisions to be made, and it will always be difficult to find the right moment.

Carrying a royal title entails a number of obligations and duties, which will in future be the responsibility of fewer members of the royal family. This adaptation, which I see as a necessary safeguard for the future of the monarchy, I want to make in my time.

I have made my decision as Queen, mother and grandmother, but as a mother and grandmother I have underestimated how much my youngest son and his family feel affected. It makes a big impression, and I'm sorry for that.

No one should be in doubt that my children, children-in-law and grandchildren are my great joy and pride. I now hope that we as a family can find the peace to find our way through this situation ourselves.


Margaret R

Wow! I'm deeply impressed by this statement. She stood her ground while recognizing Joachim and company's feelings. Kudos to the Queen and her speech writers!

 

[Muhler]

Breaking.

Statement from QMII:
https://www.kongehuset.dk/nyheder/udmelding-fra-h-m-dronningen

Full translation.

For the past days there have been strong reactions to my decision on the future use of titles for the four children of Prince Joachim. That naturally affects me.

My decision has been long in the making. With my 50 on the throne it's natural to look both back and forward. It is my duty and wish as Queen to ensure that the monarchy continuously is being shaped according to the times. It times that means that difficult decisions needs to be made and it will always be difficult to the right moment.

To carry a royal title includes a number of obligations and tasks which in the future will be carried out by fewer members of the royal family. This adaptation, which I see as a necessary insurance of the monarchy for the future, is one I wish to make in my time. (While she's alive.)

I have made my decision as Queen, mother and farmor, but I have as mother and farmor underestimated how much it has affected my youngest son and family. It makes a big impression and for that I'm sorry. (It is not a full apology, but means she is sad and sympathetic for the hurt is has caused.)

No one should be in doubt that my children, daughters-in-law and grandchildren is my great pride and delight. I hope that we now, as a family, can have room to ourselves find a way through this situation.

Margrethe R

- (In Danish a full apology will usually contain one of these words: Undskyld or beklager.)

 

[Muhler]

I actually wonder who really is behind this statement being issued today AFTER it was announced by Alexandra's PR person that she, J&M would no longer be talking to the press.

So who negotiated this compromise or cease fire? I have a guess
Who "strongly suggested" QMII put out some sort of statement? See answer to question above.
Why all of a sudden is Lene B saying that all the details of his decision have not been finalized? A decision apparently a long time coming?
Why then was the press release put out for what is apparently an incomplete plan with details still to iron out? - Lends to the weight of the argument of being blindsided and given just days notice.
Why did it have to come out last week like it did? What is the urgency?
Why the 3 month delay in it taking effect?

Way too many questions and inconsistencies. Just lends itself to the speculation that for some reason QMII went rogue.

Well, someone sure is talking behind the scenes.

And as Joachim has said that he has not been in contact with neither QMII nor Frederik. The initiative comes from Amalienborg (the usage of Amalienborg is in DK equivalent to using Buckingham Palace or The Palace. I.e. the court.)
And since it comes today, it IMO means that QMII has least discussed this with Frederik. - Perhaps this is Frederik's initiative. Don't know.
But they have also talked with Joachim and Alexandra, why else have both of them said that they will not comment further for the time being?

 

[Lilyflo]

Why, when his mother likely wouldn't have even issued an apology if no one had said anything?

In English: https://www.kongehuset.dk/en/news/statement-from-hm-the-queen

She's not only his mother, she's his queen and IMO he has disrespected her publicly, which is totally unacceptable. He could have explained his upset feelings privately and any expressions of sorrow would subsequently be private too.

 

[Prinsara]

"det er jeg ked af"

She's sure not saying she's sorry! That's more like "I noticed and I'm uncomfortable", right? Literally, "sad".

It works better in English - "sorry". Pretty sure Amalienborg knows that too.

At least she is expressing some kind of regret over how this happened, which I guess is better than the deafening nothing the original press release was flung into.

 

[Saragli]

The Queen issued a very good statement. It firmly holds her ground as the Monarch and head of the DRF, but, also acknowledges her shortcomings in her role as mother and grandmother with this decision.

Now, of course, I believe much of this statement should have been included in the original press release. It wasn't, now HM is acknowledging her mistakes, and asking to move forward as a family. I hope Joachim's branch of the family takes up this offer of moving forward as a family and stops the public media battle.

 

[Blog Real]

This is a good statement from the queen. The Queen did well to make this statement.
I hope this is the beginning of an understanding between the DRF members.

 

[FattenedUpMonarchy]

A little bit of empathy goes a long way. I think it's a good statement from her team.

 

[Prinsara]

Actually, if QMII is truly saying she is "sad" rather than expressing any degree of regret as the English wording seems to indicate, it very much changes the way this statement can be viewed.

 

[kalnel]

Maybe the Queen finally has talked to everyone -- and told them off!

 

[Tatiana Maria]

I wonder if "find[ing] a way through this situation" could involve some degree of reconsideration of the Queen's decision. I don't see Nikolai and Felix walking away from potential negotiations with the right to pass their royal titles and status on to their future wives and children, but could there be a more modest compromise?

For example, could they revert to the earlier plan (according to Countess Alexandra's press secretary) of removing the titles on marriage? I agree with Queen Claude and Mbruno that although the Danish royal house has a long history of removing titles upon marriage, it may be perceived more negatively with 21st-century optics. However, Countess Alexandra going on the record with CNN to say that she and her sons would have preferred having the titles removed on marriage could provide some cover to the Queen if she reverts to the old plan.

You keep throwing the word sustainable around as if somehow the children of Joachim are being sustained by the royal house independently of their father's appanage. They are not. Not a single krone will be affected by titling them either HH Prince Nikolai or HE Count Felix.

Stripping titles from adults who have carried them for the entirety of their lives and have done nothing to embarrass the monarchy is absolute rubbish, especially as they remain in the line of succession. Better to have just secured the future of a smaller monarchy by announcing a change in how titles are handed out in the future.

If the appanage is the only sustainability concern, then why should there be a change to how titles are handed out in the future? Why should all future descendants of Margrethe II not bear the title of Princess or Prince to Denmark?

(And why should Victoria de Marichalar, Maud Angelica Behn, Countess Eloise of Orange-Nassau and Zara Phillips not be Princesses, given that none of them will ever receive money from their respective royal houses' appanages?)

There are other arguments against stripping titles from adults who have carried them for the entirety of their lives, but I can't agree with this one.

Never? The last time Marie (and Joachim) went to the press and did a similar thing was what, 2 years ago?

Is this about the "It wasn't our choice" when they were rumored to be banished in France? ?

Probably so. That interview took place in 2020.

https://princessmariescloset.com/20...o-paris-updates-about-prince-joachims-health/

I don't know if Margrethe really does have ice in her heart, any more than I believe Joachim and anyone associated with him are spoiled whiners.

I think she must be giving herself nicotine poisoning wondering how this all went so badly. In a 'blaming herself' way (because she's known to speak of her own faults, far more than those of others).

We all have many different views about her decision and how it was handled, but one thing is certain - Queen Margrethe has never been afraid to face criticism and controversies head-on and has never been afraid to admit when she's made a mistake.

I think that is to her credit. I remember reading that even when public sympathy was on her side in regards to her late husband's public outbursts over his feelings of being sidelined, she took on partial responsibility for the situation in interviews, saying she had not been sensitive to the problems he was experiencing. And even if this latest apology / acceptance of responsibility is not as strongly worded as some would prefer, there are many other royals who are purportedly more "down to earth" and "likeable" who have never publicly apologized at any level to those they have hurt.

Actually, if QMII is truly saying she is "sad" rather than expressing any degree of regret as the English wording seems to indicate, it very much changes the way this statement can be viewed.

The official English version you posted (thank you) translates it as "I am sorry". (ETA: Actually, you seem to be asking if there is a difference between the two versions; sorry if I misunderstood.)

Here it is in full for those who missed the link:


https://www.kongehuset.dk/en/news/statement-from-hm-the-queen

 

[Saragli]

The only "backtracking" I can realistically see the Queen doing is to allow the youngest children to retain their titles until the come of age i.e. 18 but the eldest, already being of age, will become HE Count's. Allowing the boys to wait till 25, or marriage, just gives too much time for the titles to be used in an advantageous way without any duty to the crown.