Marius Borg Høiby News & Current Events Part 1: December 2023 -


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Chimene said:
I might applaud her instinct as well if her son was not going around beating women and using the monarchy as a shield. Pick your poison I guess…

Nothing against her because I’ve always assumed best intentions as far as she was concerned…
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I get your point but I don’t want to judge as am not in her shoes but we got a lot of examples of high profile people who acted similarly, The late QEII and the Duke of York, Queen Paula and her son prince Laurent, even President Biden whose position totally depends on public opinion didn’t disown his son Hunter Biden!

Princess Merena said:
Mette-Marit has two other children and at least for one them the crown will be the future. I find it quite fascinating that she seems to choose the women abusing child instead of her future head of state child and her future.
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The worst case scenario ever her daughter won’t be a Queen in the future but will still live comfortably until the rest of her life, on the other hand her son’s future is ruined and he might spend time in jail!

How could you ask her to choose her daughter future role above her son’s freedom and future?

This is what I hate in royal watching community, as we seem to forget the the Royal family are family also, we seem to treat them as presidential candidates who can dispense of other surrogates for the sake of the top ticket!

So we are now asking a mother to forget about one of her children for the sake of what the public opinion might think about her other kid!

I don’t know the right answer but I won’t act like it’s an easy decision for a parent to take!
 
duke of poliganc said:
The worst case scenario ever her daughter won’t be a Queen in the future but will still live comfortably until the rest of her life, on the other hand her son’s future is ruined and he might spend time in jail!

How could you ask her to choose her daughter future role above her son’s freedom and future?
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That's what she signed up for when she said yes to Haakon.
She married not only Haakon, not only a dynasty, she married Norway.

The trials are not over once Cinderella marry the prince. They are only beginning.
MM has had ten years to ponder how she'd react the day her son is caught doing something really stupid, unless she was so naive that she thought no one would ever find out. And if they did, no one would ever say anything.

On a normal human level, the parental instinct to rush to help your children is strong. But she is also the Crown Princess, she is not supposed to be normal. Normality is a luxury she can no longer allow herself.

How about her husband? Her in-laws? Her other son and her daughter? Norway?
Is it so important to try and shield Marius that all other considerations are secondary?
If the choice is between Marius and the monarchy, what will she choose? - I'm afraid I already know the answer.

As for Haakon: If the choice is between a major conflict in the family where he has to put his foot down for real or the monarchy, what will he choose?

They've had a pretty sheltered life so far. That is now over. The bill is on the table.

ADDED: Royals are indeed humans and it is not an easy situation to be in. They do however have so many more resources and options at disposal that ordinary people can only dream of.

But ordinary people also have to take agonizing decisions.
Cutting lose a child, because that child is having a severe addiction and it's destroying the family.
Leaving family members behind when fleeing, quite a few newcomers to Norway have been in that situation.
Go no contact to an abusive parent.
Handing over a severely handicapped child to an institution, because you simply can't handle it anymore.
And so on.
 
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duke of poliganc said:
I get your point but I don’t want to judge as am not in her shoes but we got a lot of examples of high profile people who acted similarly, The late QEII and the Duke of York, Queen Paula and her son prince Laurent, even President Biden whose position totally depends on public opinion didn’t disown his son Hunter Biden!
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I’m questioning her judgment, and I’m not unsympathetic to her tough position here, but those examples you listed are people who have failed in holding their children accountable. I understand we as humans are not perfect, we do lots of dumb or criminal things, but the inability of the parents/leaders to solve for those problems is what I have an issue with.
 
Muhler said:
That's what she signed up for when she said yes to Haakon.
She married not only Haakon, not only a dynasty, she married Norway.

The trials are not over once Cinderella marry the prince. They are only beginning.
MM has had ten years to ponder how she'd react the day her son is caught doing something really stupid, unless she was so naive that she thought no one would ever find out. And if they did, no one would ever say anything.

On a normal human level, the parental instinct to rush to help your children is strong. But she is also the Crown Princess, she is not supposed to be normal. Normality is a luxury she can no longer allow herself.

How about her husband? Her in-laws? Her other son and her daughter? Norway?
Is it so important to try and shield Marius that all other considerations are secondary?
If the choice is between Marius and the monarchy, what will she choose? - I'm afraid I already know the answer.

As for Haakon: If the choice is between a major conflict in the family where he has to put his foot down for real or the monarchy, what will he choose?

They've had a pretty sheltered life so far. That is now over. The bill is on the table.

ADDED: Royals are indeed humans and it is not an easy situation to be in. They do however have so many more resources and options at disposal that ordinary people can only dream of.

But ordinary people also have to take agonizing decisions.
Cutting lose a child, because that child is having a severe addiction and it's destroying the family.
Leaving family members behind when fleeing, quite a few newcomers to Norway have been in that situation.
Go no contact to an abusive parent.
Handing over a severely handicapped child to an institution, because you simply can't handle it anymore.
And so on.
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As a spectator I totally agree with you but we have the example of a 96 year old royal and a monarch for over 70 years on the throne not just the consort of a crown prince for 20 years who also struggled with idea of choosing between one of her children and the monarchy!
 
Princess Merena said:
Mette-Marit has two other children and at least for one them the crown will be the future. I find it quite fascinating that she seems to choose the women abusing child instead of her future head of state child and her future.
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Any parent with more children than 1 knows that there will always be times when one of the children will be in more need of support than the other/s… That doesn’t mean you don’t love them all equally

What has stunned me is her lack of judgement and apparent unability to read the situation, despite having been Crown Princess for 23 years now… She is Europes most experienced Crown Princess Consort since 2013 and still seems to struggle to understand important parts of her position…
That surprises me
 
Ah, you are thinking of Andrew.
Technically it's doubtful Andrew could even be prosecuted under UK law and AFAIK the police never came to arrest him. And even if she was younger I cannot imagine QEII, who always put duty first, to rush over and help clearing away possible evidence.
And far from all ordinary mothers who are in the unfortunate situation that their son is to be arrested, decide to rush over and help cover up for him.
And then there are the girlfriends. Keep in mind that MM for years has worked to help abused women, so she is very well aware of the dynamics and typical behavior in such situations. Yet, she decided to go mama-bear.
 
Do you even know what exactly the Crown Princess cleaned up? Or do you just speculate? Maybe she just made sure there was no food around, that might become a mold/bug infestation, not knowing how long son dearest would be behind bars.

best wishes Michiru
 
Princess Merena said:
Mette-Marit has two other children and at least for one them the crown will be the future. I find it quite fascinating that she seems to choose the women abusing child instead of her future head of state child and her future.
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That's true, but those two other royal children have a different background, a father and grandparents who are there for them, a future which is planned. Maybe she felt that except for herself nobody would care for Marius, not the biological father nor her own parents. I know this is one sided, but maybe that is how she has or is still feeling. I have never heard or seen any support of her own family, just heard bad news about her own father.

She definetely is not the person who would put put her role as CP and future Queen above all other personal issues. (Just as other old monarchy members would have done out of a sense of duty). She is putting her son Marius above all else. You can criticize this, but from an emotional point of view as she is the mother, it is understandable. I am far away from sanctioning how she managed her son so far, but I try to understand the reasons why she is acting like she is, although many mothers including myself would have reacted in a different way.

She probably never knew what she was getting involved with when she married Haakon. Many people have criticized her laziness, her lack of engagements. She is not the ideal CP and poor Haakon is criticized for having married her. It was probably not the best choice, but I guess he was madly in love with her and probably still is.
And here again I am not defending Haakon, but try to understand his emotions and feelings. Because, after all, even though they are royal and rich and privileged, they still are humans who are not functioning perfectly.
 
hereditarytitles said:
That's true, but those two other royal children have a different background, a father and grandparents who are there for them, a future which is planned. Maybe she felt that except for herself nobody would care for Marius, not the biological father nor her own parents. I know this is one sided, but maybe that is how she has or is still feeling. I have never heard or seen any support of her own family, just heard bad news about her own father.

She definetely is not the person who would put put her role as CP and future Queen above all other personal issues. (Just as other old monarchy members would have done out of a sense of duty). She is putting her son Marius above all else. You can criticize this, but from an emotional point of view as she is the mother, it is understandable. I am far away from sanctioning how she managed her son so far, but I try to understand the reasons why she is acting like she is, although many mothers including myself would have reacted in a different way.

She probably never knew what she was getting involved with when she married Haakon. Many people have criticized her laziness, her lack of engagements. She is not the ideal CP and poor Haakon is criticized for having married her. It was probably not the best choice, but I guess he was madly in love with her and probably still is.
And here again I am not defending Haakon, but try to understand his emotions and feelings. Because, after all, even though they are royal and rich and privileged, they still are humans who are not functioning perfectly.
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You are asking all to take her feelings into account and that’s very charitable of you, but let me ask you this: what about the feelings of the young women’s mothers?
 
Chimene said:
You are asking all to take her feelings into account and that’s very charitable of you, but let me ask you this: what about the feelings of the young women’s mothers?
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You are right, that is the other side of the story. When I said in my post that I would have acted differently concerning my son, I meant to say that what Marius did, espcially violence against his girlfriends I would certainly have interferred and I have ZERO tolerance about violent acts against women.
My post was about trying to understand how she as a mother of that violent and criminal son is feeling. I don't defend her nor do I defend Haakon. Just trying to analyse why they are acting like they are acting.
 
MM will never do the same , she and the other senior members of the NRF have enabled Marius , financially , emotionally , and through the press embargo on his behaviour , that she explicitly, publicly called for . Their Majesties have , because of their own struggles to get married , have never set limit's on their children , witness their behaviour when ML has constantly broken her word on her agreed limits . No public action at all . MM was not a woman with no experience of the world when she willingly consented to marry Haakon , and make her son a part of the NRF , albeit with no royal status . (...) MM has shown that regardless of the job , [ and it is a big job ], she will put Marius first, regardless of her work with abused women , or men , or her other children . Always "poor Marius " , how he has suffered .
 
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hereditarytitles said:
You are right, that is the other side of the story. When I said in my post that I would have acted differently concerning my son, I meant to say that what Marius did, espcially violence against his girlfriends I would certainly have interferred and I have ZERO tolerance about violent acts against women.
My post was about trying to understand how she as a mother of that violent and criminal son is feeling. I don't defend her nor do I defend Haakon. Just trying to analyse why they are acting like they are acting.
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Yes, I know where you are coming from and it’s very kind of you to want to understand her motivation. I don’t really understand how he escalated to this point myself.

The issue as it stands now is less about who’s to blame and more what should be done to find a solution, help/hold Marius accountable, and rectify the problem. Even if she as his mother is not thinking clearly, but where are the professionals around her?

My point of view is, she needed to move past her feelings a long time ago because that’s not a good place where logical decisions should be made. If not her, then someone should have understood the importance integrity in judging right from wrong.
 
I'm not a big MM fan, but we're making a lot of assumptions here about what she actually did (or did not do). Her office has not confirmed or denied anything, so we're going off reports that "suggest" things, but prove nothing.

For instance, we really don't know what transpired the day Marius was arrested, apart from the police timeline.

Maybe she called him to give him the attorney's name and arrange to take him to meet the police. Maybe she went to his house to retrieve stuff he had borrowed that she didn't want made public, like laptops, family photos, or even weapons, not to "clean." There's nothing wrong with any of that.

We also don't know what kinds of strategies she has tried to get Marius straightened up over the years. We know Marius went to rehab previously, but for all we know, MM and the royal house may have spent the past 10 years desperately trying to "fix him."

But, as Durek said, Marius has to want help. (Imagine Durek being the voice of wisdom!)

We may never learn the answers to the questions surrounding MM, and until the drama around Marius dies down, we really won't know what the future will hold for her. My guess is that she'll avoid the public for the time being -- her illness may also drive that -- then we'll see how the public feels.
 
This thread is not about the British Royals. Please stick to the topic. Any further off-topic comments will be deleted.
 
LadyFinn said:
The Oslo police and the Norwegian Police Directorate (POD) say they did not notify the Palace of the arrest of Marius.
www.nrk.no

Oslo-politiet og POD avviser at de varslet Slottet om pågripelse av Marius Borg Høiby

Spørsmålet om hvorfor Slottet fikk vite om pågripelsesplaner av voldssiktede Marius Borg Høiby og hvem som varslet står fortsatt ubesvart.
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So now someone is lying? Miss Varpe, head of communications from the Royal Court says that royal Court was informed by the police.

This is all just one big circus!
 
PST: Did not notify of Marius' arrest
Mette-Marit notified her son that the police were on their way to arrest him. The Police Security Service (PST) tells this afternoon that the information didn't come from them. Director of communications in PST Trond Hugubakken to Dagbladet:
- After PST was informed by the Oslo police that Marius Borg Høiby had been involved in an incident on the night of 4 August, PST routinely notified the Royal Court for security reasons. In the dialogue with the Court, information was given about the incident, but no information was given from PST's side about a possible arrest.
The Palace stated that the police notified the Royal Court and "The Court then informed the CP couple about an incident involving Marius Borg Høiby". According to the Palace, they learned that it concerned a "possible arrest".
Dagbladet is further informed that the Oslo Police District didn't inform the Palace about the arrest itself - before they made direct contact with Høiby.
www.dagbladet.no

PST: Varslet ikke om Marius-pågripelse

Kronprinsesse Mette-Marit varslet sønnen om at politiet var på vei for å pågripe ham. Ifølge PST kom ikke informasjonen fra dem.
www.dagbladet.no www.dagbladet.no
 
So as I understand it, the local Oslo police did not warn the palace, but they did notify the top branch of the police POD (the acting police commissioner for all the regular police in Norway). The Oslo police did also notify the security detail of the security police PST (they work directly under the Ministry of Justice, even though they too is a police-organization) stationed at Skaugum.
POD routinely informed the Ministry of Justice, the PM's office (keep in mind the current PM is a personal friend of MM and Haakon) and the Ministry of Social Affairs (regarding families). - All three departments took that information ad notam. (As they of course should do.)
PST, the security police, did notify the palace and the CP-Couple, but no mentioning of a possible arrest was made.
The commissioner for POD, the top branch of the police, deny personally that POD told the palace or the CP-Couple.

- So if the Oslo police speaks the truth, and the head of POD speaks the truth, then someone within the PST, the Ministry of Justice, the Ministry of Social Affairs or the PM's office either told the CP-couple off the record or leaked the information to the palace.
I'm not particularly surprised though. A lot of info and sometimes warnings are spread off the record or leaked. That's how it is in basically any big company. The state central administration basically being a big company.

But if there was no leak, then MM (we don't know about Haakon) learned from PST that the police came for Marius with the intention of seizing his phone, I speculate here, MM may have been under the impression that the police would go to Marius home, enter the home and take his phone and possible search his home as well. That IMO would be a logical assumption to make. In this scenario she may not have known, or even suspected that Marius would be arrested until she was told by Marius.
It all depends on how the Oslo Police notified the PST, and what was said in that notification.
So in that light the palace would be telling the truth: The Police, PST, told the palace.
 
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