Marius Borg Høiby News & Current Events Part 1: December 2023 -

[SLV]

Would this mean that he was not given much money by his parents?

Or not enough to his liking.

 

[royalwatcher96]

A cocaine addiction is not a cheap habit and it has to be financed somehow. Marius is showing a remarkable degree of ruthless, criminal energy once again. Selling royal possesions to gangsters under the nose of the Crown Prince is simply outrageous and damaging for Haakon and the entire court.

 

[Curryong]

This just gets worse and worse. Marius just seems to have been allowed to purloin and pilfer and sell things to local criminal elements with no questions asked.

How did Marius get his hands on valuable wines like this in the first place? Aren’t the royal wine cellars under lock and key in the charge of a wine steward or his/her equivalent? Or did his parents just toss him the said keys and said ‘Go for your life’! You would think the financial accounts would be questioned at least, with many bottles gone.

 

[Muhler]

Web news site Uten Filter publishes the name of the third victim.
Their sources say that the petrol card and its code were not stolen, but Marius gave them voluntarily to pay off a debt to an actor in a well-known motorcycle club. The amount that this group illegitimately managed to get out of the card is very high. The Palace hasn't reported the case. In this way, the illegitimate use of the petrol card has not become a police matter. Uten Filter has sent questions to the Palace but hasn't got answers.
Marius has also supplied abundantly from the Royal House's wine cellar, far in excess of his own consumption. He has been in contact with actors for the resale of exclusive goods which obviously originate from the Royal House's wine cellar, wine bottles worth many thousands of kroner that have been tried to be sold.

Høiby: Billigsalg av slottets årgangsvin

Nok én av Marius Borg Høibys mange inntektskilder: Billigsalg av slottets årgangsvin.

www.utenfilter.no

A minor translation error: Not actor, but aktør = in this case someone who is an active member of or active in a motorcycle-gang.
And in the second case it means someone who is in the business of buying and selling vintage wine.
- So it was hardly Chateau Walmart Marius stole and tried to sell! We are talking seriously priced vintage wines. And I guess that such exclusive wines without a proper (what do you call it? Pedigree?) are very difficult to sell legally.

This news outlet claims to have written about Marius' antics before and before the rest of the press did so. A quick search on their site resulted in no such articles, and I haven't got time for a proper Google search.

Would this mean that he was not given much money by his parents?

Obviously not.
Considering that he lived rent-free at Skaugum, a very exclusive address. Probably didn't pay for electricity, water, heating and maintenance either. Probably had free access to food, drink and other household items at his parents place, right across the street, he certainly saved a lot of money! And if he got a bit of money on top of that he ought to be able to live a decent life

A cocaine addiction is not a cheap habit and it has to be financed somehow. Marius is showing a remarkable degree of ruthless, criminal energy once again. Selling royal possesions to gangsters under the nose of the Crown Prince is simply outrageous and damaging for Haakon and the entire court.

You steal from those close to you, because that's easiest and they are likely to forgive you - perhaps for too long.

 

[victor1319]

Let's face it: Marius selling from his parents wine cellar would be actually good news! Because it means, he was no large scale drug dealer...

I remember to have seen pics of Marius at parties with very expensive bottles of Champagne. Maybe he was just supplying his peeps for free? But then he was probably a successful drug trader... So, let's stick with the thievery!

 

[llj]

....
Obviously not.
Considering that he lived rent-free at Skaugum, a very exclusive address. Probably didn't pay for electricity, water, heating and maintenance either. Probably had free access to food, drink and other household items at his parents place, right across the street, he certainly saved a lot of money! And if he got a bit of money on top of that he ought to be able to live a decent life

Unfortunately I think Marius was living a decadent life, one that required a lot of liquid cash. Hard to turn free rent and utilities into millions of kroner.

 

[polyesco]

Well this latest news just reflects horribly on Haakon. He can't control his household or run the royal court properly.
A stolen credit card, how much was spent? No worries, the taxpayer pays.
Stolen bottles of wine? No worries, the taxpayer pays.
Damage royal property, No worries, the taxpayer pays.
Does Haakon not have staff? do they not report anything? or he does not care. it's little Marius, leave him alone.

 

[hereditarytitles]

Just a question: How much money does the NRF get from the taxpayers? What expenses does it cover? They sure must have private income as well, inheritated or accumulated for generations.
It is the question if Marius, being a stepchild of Haakon and not having any royal duties is being supported by taxpayers.
That would be an interesting question to ask.

 

[Muhler]

Let's face it: Marius selling from his parents wine cellar would be actually good news! Because it means, he was no large scale drug dealer...

I remember to have seen pics of Marius at parties with very expensive bottles of Champagne. Maybe he was just supplying his peeps for free? But then he was probably a successful drug trader... So, let's stick with the thievery!

Good point.
I hope you are right.
As long as he hasn't turned career criminal, there may still hope. But he needs to get far away from his criminal friends, no matter what. Or they'll drag him back sooner or later.
But so far I see little evidence of Marius being interested in changing his life.

Unfortunately I think Marius was living a decadent life, one that required a lot of liquid cash. Hard to turn free rent and utilities into millions of kroner.

Yep, you said it.

Well this latest news just reflects horribly on Haakon. He can't control his household or run the royal court properly.
A stolen credit card, how much was spent? No worries, the taxpayer pays.
Stolen bottles of wine? No worries, the taxpayer pays.
Damage royal property, No worries, the taxpayer pays.
Does Haakon not have staff? do they not report anything? or he does not care. it's little Marius, leave him alone.

Reading some of the comments and editorials, that's exactly what a number of Norwegians are thinking.
Are there anyone at home at the palace? And who pays for all this?
Are there anyone in charge?!?
It reflects bad on the CP-Couple but unfortunately also King Harald. These last years of his reign will be very much about Marius and how the NRF didn't handle the situation. A lot of all the good work he has done over the years will lie in the shadow of Marius. Because drama sells, drama ends up in the history books.

Well, if anyone happens to have a spare backbone lying around, please contact the NRF, Haakon is in need of one.

Unfortunately this is just the beginning.
It'll be a lot worse when this ends up in court and witnesses begin to give statements and questions are asked.
There is no way around implicating the NRF, especially now that Marius lawyer has seen it fit not to get his client to retract his accusation about being abused by Juliane Snekkestad.
If I were Haakon and MM I'd pretty nervous about what she is asked in court! The nightmare scenario for the NRF being that Juliane did ask for help from MM an/or Haakon and got none. That Juliane was more or less "persuaded" not to report Marius. That the CP-Couple knew about Marius being abusive but ignored it.
If something like this emerge during the trial, it's more than bad for Haakon in particular!

Of course on the other hand if it emerge during the trial that the CP-Couple did try and help, but that Marius went out of control, it will help salvage some of their by now pretty tattered reputation.
Other questions will of course still come up. Like why they didn't do something drastic about Marius.

 

[Hans-Rickard]

Please keep the discussion on topic, wich is Mr Marius Borg Høiby. Posts that is not related to him in any way will be removed.

 

[Royalty Observer]

Would this mean that he was not given much money by his parents?

He is a 27 years old man. He should not be receiving any money from the parents, he should be working to earn his own.

 

[Healthy Sceptic]

So, Marius 'voluntarily' handed over a no-limit gas card to a member of a "well-known motorcycle club" (Hell's Angels?) to pay off a debt. If he is that deeply indebted to the underworld who knows what kind of access or assets he is offering to these bad actors. What a security nightmare, he should be kicked out of Skaugum entirely and shouldn't be allowed within 10 miles of a royal residence.

I find it encouraging that MM is being asked to give evidence in Juliane Snekkestad's case against Marius. MM is the root problem in terms of disciplining Marius, IMO, she over-compensated for the way he was conceived and with whom, and made excuses for all his bad behavior. She may have even cajoled witnesses to his bad behavior to stay quiet. And I'm sure Haakon played sugar daddy and gave cute little Marius anything his heart desired with no questions asked.

What he really needed from all his parents was to be taught self-discipline and how to be a successful adult. Instead he was coddled and spoiled to the point he has no morals and is now hanging out with sociopaths and appears to be on a path to self-destruction. As a parent, MM and Haakon need to speak to their involvement in keeping things covered up. I'm very interested to see what comes out in court.

 

[Lady Daly]

He is a 27 years old man. He should not be receiving any money from the parents, he should be working to earn his own.

Hello!! Toddler Marius showed up on the doorsteps of Haakon and the NRF already a sociopath in the making. If you've never experienced this and it ends up being your stepchild, I would say Haakon got stuck with a nightmare from hell. Marius was beyond anything Haakon and the NRF were equipped to deal with, especially because the family was such a kind lovely people. A bit off subject: Also, it's part of a similar problem with ML and her beyond the pale new husband. It's time for the NRF i.e. Haakon, MM, etc to turn the sociopath(s) over to the experts asap. The sooner Marius is under control of the legal system the better it is for everyone!!

 

[Tatiana Maria]

One section of King Harald V's speech at the annual palace dinner for members of Parliament on October 24 (see the post on the dinner here: Annual Gala for Stortinget 2003 - 2024) commented, without mentioning names, on Marius and the other troubles surrounding the royal house.

After praising the Crown Prince, Crown Princess and Queen for their work for the Royal House, the King said:

"The Royal House is a team that works together well.

And we are also a family – with the joys and trials that we all know can be part of that. In both good and bad times, we try to stand together and support each other.

We are grateful for all the warmth and consideration shown to us throughout this special and demanding year – beginning when in February I needed to be transported home on a medical airlift.

Sometimes life is just plain tough. That's something everyone can go through – including our family.

When people we love aren't doing well, it's painful for those around them.

We try the best we can to take care of one another.

This evening, we send extra warm thoughts to all who are hurting."​

Stortingsmiddagen 2024: Kongens tale

Hans Majestet Kong Haralds tale under middagen for stortingsrepresentantene på Det kongelige slott 24. oktober 2024.

www.kongehuset.no

 

[Muhler]

I have noticed from time to time that there are suggestions that Marius should suffer some kind of personality disorder.
We of course don't know if he is and I certainly have no qualifications to even venture a guess.

If we are to sum up Marius personality:
He a bit of a risk-taker, (driving wild and crashing, that was fun! As well as jet-skiing with Ingrid.)
He likes to see himself a a rebel.
He shows very little respect for the norms and rules of the society.
He likes attention.
He likes to appear tough. Bad boy attitude.
He has next to no respect for other people, even those close to him.
He feels little if any remorse.
He blames other people. (Phone recordings with the third girlfriend, and accusing Snekkestad of abusing him.)
He has no qualms about stealing from other people, even those most close to him. Wine-cellar, gas-card, moped.
He has fits of uncontrollable anger.
Han can be very charming. Funny-Marius. Crazy-Marius.
He is however very protective of a few people, Marius and Ingrid.
(I probably left something out, but you fill in the blanks.)

I'm in no doubt that fits with a personality disorder or two.

However.... It also describes quite a lot very immature young men.
Especially if they are very entitled.
Haven been over-indulged.
Not overly-bright.
Have been spoiled rotten.
Selfish.
Have never really had to work to get anything.
Have always lived a life where they never lacked any necessities.
Have never experienced discipline and as such having been taught about boundaries.

- So in my most unqualified eyes, the verdict is still out as to whether Marius really has a personality disorder.

Perhaps someone who knows a lot more can enlighten us?

 

[Prinsara]

Perhaps someone who knows a lot more can enlighten us?

Nobody here is qualified to make the diagnosis and if someone were, they would know they’d have to see him personally and speak to him to do so.

We know about a lot of his actions but we haven’t seen too much of him speaking. We know he’s not academically-inclined and we know MM is overprotective of him to the point he couldn’t issue a simple public statement as an adult. That could complicate a lot.

Marius mentioned unspecified mental/psychological things himself… which could be anything. Until we know we’re not gonna know.

 

[Lady Daly]

I have noticed from time to time that there are suggestions that Marius should suffer some kind of personality disorder.
We of course don't if he is and I certainly have no qualifications to even venture a guess.

If we are to sum up Marius personality:
He a bit of a risk-taker, (driving wild and crashing, that was fun! As well as jet-skiing with Ingrid.)
He likes to see himself a a rebel.
He shows very little respect for the norms and rules of the society.
He likes attention.
He likes to appear tough. Bad boy attitude.
He has next to no respect for other people, even those close to him.
He feels little if any remorse.
He blames other people. (Phone recordings with the third girlfriend, and accusing Snekkestad of abusing him.)
He has no qualms about stealing from other people, even those most close to him. Wine-cellar, gas-card, moped.
He has fits of uncontrollable anger.
Han can be very charming. Funny-Marius. Crazy-Marius.
He is however very protective of a few people, Marius and Ingrid.
(I probably left something out, but you fill in the blanks.)

I'm in no doubt that fits with a personality disorder or two.

However.... It also describes quite a lot very immature young men.
Especially if they are very entitled.
Haven been over-indulged.
Not overly-bright.
Have been spoiled rotten.
Are very entitled.
Selfish.
Have never really had to work to get anything.
Have always lived a life where they never lacked any necessities.
Have never experienced discipline and as such having been taught about boundaries.

- So in my most unqualified eyes, the verdict is still out as to whether Marius really has a personality disorder.

Perhaps someone who knows a lot more can enlighten us?

Well done, Muhler Personality disorder is complicated. When treatment is being considered (or a court mandated sentencing) then a qualified professional is required to make the diagnosis.

Overview of Personality Disorders - Overview of Personality Disorders - Merck Manual Professional Edition

Overview of Personality Disorders - Etiology, pathophysiology, symptoms, signs, diagnosis & prognosis from the Merck Manuals - Medical Professional Version.

www.merckmanuals.com

However, I prefer to lump the antisocial problems we see with Maurius as sociopathic behaviors. "Maurius is a danger to others" including the NRF. The sooner Marius is under control of the legal system the better it is for everyone!!

 

[crm2317]

Hello!! Toddler Marius showed up on the doorsteps of Haakon and the NRF already a sociopath in the making. If you've never experienced this and it ends up being your stepchild, I would say Haakon got stuck with a nightmare from hell. Marius was beyond anything Haakon and the NRF were equipped to deal with, especially because the family was such a kind lovely people. A bit off subject: Also, it's part of a similar problem with ML and her beyond the pale new husband. It's time for the NRF i.e. Haakon, MM, etc to turn the sociopath(s) over to the experts asap. The sooner Marius is under control of the legal system the better it is for everyone!!

Oh please. I think it is a bit presumptuous to say that Marius was already a sociopath in the making at 2 years old. Nobody here can diagnose him, none of us have seen his medical record including addictions etc.
How can anyone say the royal family are “kind and nice people”? We don’t know them, we haven’t spent time with them. Again, I’m not saying they aren’t but just playing devil’s advocate and saying none of us know them personally.

Can we stop laying the blame for Marius behaviour at the door of anyone other than Marius himself. I’m getting so tired of reading posters on this thread blaming MM, Haakon, his bio dad etc etc etc.

Maybe he has been spoiled, maybe he hasn’t. Maybe he felt shunned being non royal, maybe he felt included. All of it is speculation.

Marius is a grown up! He knows that abusing people is wrong, stealing is wrong, lying is wrong. That is his problem, HE is the problem.

 

[camelot23ca]

Unfortunately I think Marius was living a decadent life, one that required a lot of liquid cash. Hard to turn free rent and utilities into millions of kroner.

It sounds like the family was at least trying to set some boundaries and limits - he wouldn’t need to sell anything if they were giving him a big “allowance” on top of paying all his expenses. Haakon and Mette Marit may have refused to increase the amount of money he got, or cut off his access to cash entirely when they figured out what he was buying with it, and this was his response. And then when he got caught he probably apologized profusely, told them he’d get help, swore up and down he’d change and it would never happen again… what a situation to have to deal with as a parent. Or to witness as a sibling.

 

[Chimene]

Marius is a grown up! He knows that abusing people is wrong, stealing is wrong, lying is wrong. That is his problem, HE is the problem.

He clearly doesn’t though otherwise we wouldn’t be having this discussion. I don’t believe kids are born bad, but I don’t know anything about clinical cases or sociopathic disorders etc, so I have no clue.

I suspect though, and it’s just my assumption, that there’s probably nothing really wrong with him except he’s been allowed to do whatever the hell he wants all his life. That attitude is due to his upbringing, and that’s why he walks around not giving a damn and he believes his above the law.

Marius is not a tree, and even if he were, we water our plants and straighten them so they don’t grow damaged because that’s the taking care part which is also our task and our parental responsibility. Yes, he is responsible for his actions, but we come with a built in support system for a reason.

Someone should have taught him personal responsibility and accountability. If they did and this is the result, someone neglected to take the steps necessary to straighten him out. And by steps I mean even if that looks like corrections facility, drug and alcohol rehabilitation etc.

 

[kalnel]

Oh please. I think it is a bit presumptuous to say that Marius was already a sociopath in the making at 2 years old. Nobody here can diagnose him, none of us have seen his medical record including addictions etc.
How can anyone say the royal family are “kind and nice people”? We don’t know them, we haven’t spent time with them. Again, I’m not saying they aren’t but just playing devil’s advocate and saying none of us know them personally.

Can we stop laying the blame for Marius behaviour at the door of anyone other than Marius himself. I’m getting so tired of reading posters on this thread blaming MM, Haakon, his bio dad etc etc etc.

Maybe he has been spoiled, maybe he hasn’t. Maybe he felt shunned being non royal, maybe he felt included. All of it is speculation.

Marius is a grown up! He knows that abusing people is wrong, stealing is wrong, lying is wrong. That is his problem, HE is the problem.

I agree. Whatever mess he is in, he is the responsible party. (At least think we can safely assume that his parents or King Harald haven't been urging him to seek out criminals, take drugs, or abuse women.)

But, I think it's fair to say that Marius may have been dealt a tough hand in life, despite it seeming privileged.

• His father is a convicted criminal
• Both his parents were involved in drugs
• His parents never formed a family (or even a couple)
• Both his parents formed "new" families, where he is the "extra" child
• His maternal siblings are literally entitled and privileged, making him "unequal" to the rest of his family
• He grew up in the public eye
• He's an admitted addict, which is a disease
• He claims to have "anger issues," which may be a disease
• He seems to have learning disabilities
• He seems to associate with people who are a negative influence in his life

Many people have overcome these issues, but few people (none that I can think of) have faced all of them. That doesn't excuse him, but I think there's more to his difficulties than being a spoiled brat.

 

[crm2317]

He clearly doesn’t though otherwise we wouldn’t be having this discussion. I don’t believe kids are born bad, but I don’t know anything about clinical cases or sociopathic disorders etc, so I have no clue.

I suspect though, and it’s just my assumption, that there’s probably nothing really wrong with him except he’s been allowed to do whatever the hell he wants all his life. That attitude is due to his upbringing, and that’s why he walks around not giving a damn and he believes his above the law.

Of course he knows those things are wrong. He just doesn’t care! He’s an a**hole! Some people just are that way. I have a cousin who comes from a normal and loving working/middle class family. His siblings have jobs, work hard and are nice people. He fell in with a bad crowd and has stolen cars and dabbled with drugs. He doesn’t listen to anyone and swaggers about like he owns the world. He is an a*sshole, plain and simple.

I just don’t like seeing blame being attributed to anyone other than Marius. I hope he does to prison for a while and gets hung out to dry by the royal family, nobody should be protecting him or making this easier on him.

 

[LadyFinn]

Marius' lawyer Øyvind Bratlien stated in mid-October that Marius now had plans to start full-time rehabilitation within a short time.
Se og Hør asked Marius' lawyer Øyvind Bratlien about how the image of Marius showing his finger with beer appears, as he was "shortly" due to start rehabilitation. The question is so far unanswered.

Reagerer: - Hvor er moren og faren?

Dragartisten fyrer løs mot det nye sjokkbildet av kronprinsesse Mette-Marits sønn.

www.seher.no

 

[Chimene]

Of course he knows those things are wrong. He just doesn’t care! He’s an a**hole! Some people just are that way. I have a cousin who comes from a normal and loving working/middle class family. His siblings have jobs, work hard and are nice people. He fell in with a bad crowd and has stolen cars and dabbled with drugs. He doesn’t listen to anyone and swaggers about like he owns the world. He is an a*sshole, plain and simple.

I just don’t like seeing blame being attributed to anyone other than Marius. I hope he does to prison for a while and gets hung out to dry by the royal family, nobody should be protecting him or making this easier on him.

If he knows and doesn’t care, why is that? Being a jerk is a choice, and I agree with you that some characters are easily influenced or even manipulated by others. It is also true you can come from a perfectly nice well to do family and still end up useless, but Marius environment is unlike that of your average upper middle class family.

I’m not blaming anyone except Marius, but what I’m saying is there should have been reasonable people around him to prevent a situation that reads like a gradual escalation. Your average family doesn’t have an institution and a government behind them to support and put up guardrails.

 

[Hans-Rickard]

Marius situation has he choosed entirely for himself… I don’t think anyone in this forum has said anything else… Being an alcoholic, a drug user, a violent person etc is also a choice from the beginning.. Not many people are forced at gunpoint to do drugs, to get drunk or to hit their partners or threatening to kill their friends until they don’t have the strength to defend themselves anymore….

But if you do it over and over again, without stopping, then it becomes a problem, an abuse and deep down also an illness…

Marius must take 100 % responsibilities for his own actions, and yes even go to prison if the norwegian judicial system decides that he should…

The remarkable thing in all this mess is that noone has managed to stop him until now… He has been an officially recognized member of the Norwegian Royal Family since the age of 3 up until the last few weeks, and in every case treated equal to a Prince of the blood… Noone can say that he has not had several layers of protective shield around him that normal families like all of ours do not have… Protective shields that should have catched him at some point along the way but by all accounts have not…. If he really has been in outpatient-treatment and failed, there is also the option of inpatient-treatment… By force from the police if the person in question refuses to show up…

To me this is both a human being out of control who does not care what he does or how he behaves + a dysfunctional family that has failed big time to raise him… Because none of his problems are new in any way

 

[Prinsara]

Would it be smarter for him to go do rehab out of the country to try and marginally turn down the volume, or does he need to be available to the proper authorities at their discretion (though they are seemingly not over-hasty with him, either)?

It’s been almost three months. How hard is it to finish an investigation that’s only being investigated by Se og Hør, not the reputable media?