It's a boy and a girl: Prince Jacques & Princess Gabriella, December 10, 2014

[An Ard Ri]

We saw the chapel at the end of the wedding when Albert and Charlene entered in the chapel to sign the register of wedding.

Ah thank you,I do recall that part alright,I think they should use the chapel more in the future.

 

[Biri]

Official presentation of the twins on 7 January:

Présentation officielle de Jacques et Gabriella de Monaco : 7 janvier 2015

 

[kiina]

It is the formal registration of the birth, which is obligatory. Because it is about a Prince and Princess, it was all done with formality. The same happens in some other monarchies. There are also monarchies which make no any spectacle of a birth.

An example: HRH The Prince of Orange registers his second daughter, Princess Alexia before the Lord Mayor of The Hague: http://www.refdag.nl/polopoly_fs/de..._marcela_laurentien_1_8126!image/63398015.jpg and for the ceremony one of the stylish 17th C salons of the Old Townhall was used.

It is just a more ceremonial, 'dressed up', form of the obligatory registration which every father has to do in most countries in Europe. A "normal father" registering a child simply does that at the public office of a townhall, just like going to a bank or so...

Thank you for the explanation. I guess this is what Stephanie refused to do at the birth of Camille. Was there no such registration making her a "nobody"? A bit off topic I know but I think it is strange that registration of a child is based on a father stepping forward or not.


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[Josefine]

When was the last time charlene was seen. I cant remember we saw her

 

[melina premiere]

It was at the last national fest of Monaco on november 19th.


During this ceremony, Prince Jacques received officially the title of Marquis des Baux and Princess Gabriella received officially the title of comtesse de Carladès.

 

[sophie25]

I'm trying to work out when PC will leave hospital but I suppose it's hard to say. My son was born first thing in the morning and I left 3 and a half days later but I must stress that I was in no way back to normal by that point. Myself and my child were medically cleared to go home but I walked out of that hospital in teeny baby steps with my husband helping me to the car and a nurse very kindly carried the baby out to the car for us. I therefore can't imagine the Princess standing at the hospital door baby in arms when she leaves but instead think that perhaps she may leave by a side entrance and official photos taken at the palace will appear later. I could be wrong of course but I'm just going by my own experience. Basically I'm just dying to see a picture if the tiny little Prince and Princess!

 

[HereditaryPrincess]

Congratulations to Prince Albert and Princess Charlene! It seemed that Charlene's pregnancy lasted for ages, so I'm pleased to hear that the twins are finally here.

I love their names together, though neither of them are to my personal taste, but Jacques is quite handsome I guess. I love their middle names however. I'm surprised not to see Grace in Princess Gabriella's combination (I didn't expect it to be a first name, but it would have been nice as a middle name). I also find it strange how Gabriella was used instead of Gabrielle, though as another member pointed out upthread, perhaps Gabriella is used in the Monegasque language. Gabriella is also of Italian origins and Italian is one of the languages spoken in Monaco (it's official languages are French, Monegasque, Italian and Occitan), so perhaps that's another reason as to why they used it. (And plus the Grimaldis were originally Italian.) Therefore I guess Gabriella was used in a more international way.

When was the last time charlene was seen. I cant remember we saw her

I think it was at the National Day celebrations last month (?), but I'm not sure on that one either.

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

[....] I also find it strange how Gabriella was used instead of Gabrielle, though as another member pointed out upthread, perhaps Gabriella is used in the Monegasque language. Gabriella is also of Italian origins and Italian is one of the languages spoken in Monaco (it's official languages are French, Monegasque, Italian and Occitan), so perhaps that's another reason as to why they used it. (And plus the Grimaldis were originally Italian.) Therefore I guess Gabriella was used in a more international way.



I think it was at the National Day celebrations last month (?), but I'm not sure on that one either.

When you leave Monaco in the east, you arrive in Menton, which is bordering Italy. It is really very, very close to Italy. The Grimaldis have a lot of Italian names in the genealogical tree and even the surname Grimaldi is Italian (originally from Genova). No wonder that there are Italian influences and Gabriella simply has more melody than Gabrielle, if you ask me.

By the way, the eldest daughter of the Prince is Jazmin Grace Grimaldi, so the name of Princess Gracia has already been used.

 

[HereditaryPrincess]

Yes, I had already mentioned the Monegasque Princely Family's Italian heritage. I already know that the family were originally Italian, and it's my understanding that the first Grimaldis to come to Monaco were Italian soldiers who had captured a fortress and claimed it their own. I actually prefer Gabrielle to Gabriella. Gabriella has always come across as rather dated to me, and Gabrielle sounds fresher and prettier.

Grace (I doubt it was Gracia, as Grace was originally from America, which is as we know an English speaking country) is only Jazmin's middle name, so there wouldn't be much confusion if Albert and Charlene had named their daughter that. Family names often get repeated, either due to tradition or the original bearer of the name being a respected and loved member of the family. In some cases, names get repeated if the original bearer of the name passes away, and the family wanted to remember them by giving their name or a variation of their name to a new family member. My little cousin's middle name is the same as his paternal grandfather's first name, as he died of an illness a little bit before his birth.

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

Yes, somewhere one has to start and indeed the Grimaldis started on "the rock" as a kind of warlords. In Genova the four families d'Oria, Fieschi di Lavagna, Spinola and Grimaldi were the most prestigious ones and also intermarried to maintain and strenghten their position. The Grimaldi family is really very interesting.

 

[LadyMacAlpine]

For those asking about the formal registration you can see a photo in this thread from 2005 of Rainier for Albert two days after he was born. Albert was born March 14 and presented April 21. The presentation of the twins is actually a few days less than it was with Albert.

Having had a C-section unless its changed Charlene was laying flat on her back for 24 hours. I was out of the hospital in 3 days. Unless there was a problem no one knows about she should have left or is about ready to.

 

[melina premiere]

Albert is born on March 14th 1958.


Charlene has a ceasarian section, it was a surgical precedure. It is more risky for twins birth, the risk of bleeding is twice for a twins birth than for a birth for a singleton child.


The twins have not a same height than a single child, They are not so big they must be looked after.


Mary of denmark gave birth naturally to the twins Vincent and josephine on january 8th 2011 and she left the hospital on january 14th 2011( see the thread about the danish princely twins on RF), she stayed at the hospital 6 days. Josephine came back to hospital some days after because she had problems of health.


Charlene gave birth to the babies wednesday december 10th , we are to day december 13th. only three days and it was not a naturally birth but a birth with ceasarean.


Don't compare your case with the case of charlene.


There are rumors that she may leave the maternity next monday.

 

[Florestane]

Why can't we make comparisons? In any case, LadyMacAlpine, wasn't offering a criticism of Charlene so there's no need to jump on what was said.
As I understood it, she was saying Charlene wouldn't have felt up to photos given she would be lying flat on her back! It was being pointed that what has been arranged for presenting the twins is little different from what happened to Albert.

 

[Marty91charmed]

Charlene de Monaco, maman : Albert reconnaît officiellement les jumeaux

This article, in short, says that Charlene should leave the hospital soon next week and that Albert visited her on Friday; soon after he launched a cocktail party and a dinner for the babies I think....

The article says that Caroline and the rest of the family will visit Charlene this weekend...

 

[Lee-Z]

Will be a very merry Christmas for them this year

Have a bit of mixed feelings about P.Albert throwing parties and diners now, when P.Charlene can't attend, but maybe she doesn't mind too much and likes to have some time out of the limelight and to herself

 

[Marty91charmed]

Actually it was a diner with the judo club.... I suppose it had already been planned and he took the chance to make a toast to his children... Besides, I think newly mothers just want to stay alone with their children and sleep while in hospital...

 

[shrifia]

wonderful the twins are here finally,hope the mum and the kids are in good health.
Congratulations to royal couple and Monaco.

 

[Tarlita]

Indeed it will be a wonderful xmas for Prince Albert and I can imagine how much he will want to spoil the twins in a few years when they can understand and appreciate a good xmas. I can just imagine Albert going over the top buying presents for them.

 

[melina premiere]

Yes, the article said that charlene should leave the hospital next week. and Albert visited december 12th the members of the judo club where there was a cocktail which celebrated his 40 years of life, Albert was member of this club when he was Young boy.


Monaco Matin said that there will be surely photos of the babies next week ..

 

[Blue_]

Monaco Matin said that there will be surely photos of the babies next week ..

I'm so exited!!!

 

[An Ard Ri]

Monaco Matin said that there will be surely photos of the babies next week ..

I wonder will the twins make it onto the Christmas cards?

 

[Lee-Z]

I wonder will the twins make it onto the Christmas cards?

ooohhh...hadn't thought of that... that *would* be neat
but for some reason i would have guessed that they make the Christmas cards well in advance

well, at least we still have loads to look forward too

 

[XeniaCasaraghi]

I love those name, they are traditional yet unique. Prince Jacques has a nice ring to it. That his father isnt a spring chicken I wonder if he will be a young monarch.
I'm glad they didn't re-use Grace, even if it is just a middle name it rubs me the wrong way when a father uses the same name for differentertainment children who are half siblings. Grace belongs to the older sister and it should stay with her. Both Gabrielle and Gabriella are beautiful names.

 

[Duc_et_Pair]

For those asking about the formal registration you can see a photo in this thread from 2005 of Rainier for Albert two days after he was born. Albert was born March 19 and presented April 21. The presentation of the twins is actually a few days less than it was with Albert.

[....]

Heu... this was no presentation, this was a formal registration of the birth, followed by a Mass in the chapel of the palais princier. A presentation means that the Marquis des Baux and the Comtesse de Carladès are shown to the monegasques and the residents of the principality. That will happen after New Year.

 

[GracieGiraffe]

For those asking about the formal registration you can see a photo in this thread from 2005 of Rainier for Albert two days after he was born. Albert was born March 14 and presented April 21. The presentation of the twins is actually a few days less than it was with Albert.

Having had a C-section unless its changed Charlene was laying flat on her back for 24 hours. I was out of the hospital in 3 days. Unless there was a problem no one knows about she should have left or is about ready to.

I was in for five days after a c-section without complications in 2000. Maybe she'll go home tomorrow - or as Melina said the babies might be a little small yet.

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[Florestane]

Heu... this was no presentation, this was a formal registration of the birth, followed by a Mass in the chapel of the palais princier. A presentation means that the Marquis des Baux and the Comtesse de Carladès are shown to the monegasques and the residents of the principality. That will happen after New Year.

Nobody said it was a presentation. The original whole post was making the point that Albert's official presentation actually took place several weeks after he was born, just as is going to happen with the twins.

 

[Tiggersk8]

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Hope Charlene has the same kind of things at hand right now. Recovering from a C Section, plus learning about the things first time Moms need to know, not to mention if she's going to Breastfeed then there's another added thing to stress about, add in hormones that are all over the place right now and I hope she's got something like her iPod or iPad w/her Favourite Playlists on it to help her out in the stress department. To say she's feeling a bit overwhelmed at the moment? I'm willing to bet that's a huge understatement.

I can't wait to see the Babies too, but at the right time for all three of them. Mom especially.



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[melina premiere]

The presentation of Princess Caroline and the presentation of prince Albert were the day before the christening, for princess Stéphanie it was the day of the christening after the religious ceremony.
The people native of Monaco 'the true people of Monaco' was invited in the yeard of honor and the family was standing in the galerie hercules. After there was a coktail.


Nowadays, they are too many and all the cérémonies are on the place of the palace as when the prince celebrated his weeding. But the palace did not say if there was the christenings after. The palace only speake about a presentation of the babies


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[iceflower]

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[kronprinsessa-marl]

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