General News about the Sussex Family, Part Two: April-August 2020

[ACO]

They no longer working royals. They not funded by the taxpayers anymore. Charles isn't paying for the security it also is revealed per the new Times Article about their filing a report on the drones in LA. They haven't been seen with the family in months.

So really what is there to even discuss other than what has been rehashed 354656846 times already on this forum?

 

[Lumutqueen]

Maybe they should be moved to the British Nobility section, as I guess that’s what they are now?

 

[Osipi]

Well... we *could* keep an eye on Los Angeles and its earthquakes and muse over what Harry's reaction to experiencing his first earthquake would be? Would Harry and Meghan then decide to read "Chicken Little" to Archie about how the "sky is falling"?

There just isn't anything of substance really going on right now to discuss as this Covid-19 has put us all pretty much in a bubble for months.

 

[QueenMathilde]

I hadn't heard of the ape thing either until the last couple of days here. Princess Ann had to deal with a horse analogy also back in the day when she loved riding.

Camilla had to deal with a horse analogy too. When she and Charles got married vendors were selling t-shirts outside that had Charles riding a horse that had Camilla's face on it.

 

[Osipi]

Maybe they should be moved to the British Nobility section, as I guess that’s what they are now?

They still are very much TRH, The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and haven't lost that standing. They just cannot use this status in any kind of commercial dealings in their new lives. When Charles ascends the throne, Harry will be The Prince Henry, Duke of Sussex as the son of a monarch. IMO, this separates them from being the nobility of the UK.

Just how I see it. ?

 

[Lumutqueen]

General News about the Sussex Family, Part Two: April 2020-

They still are very much TRH, The Duke and Duchess of Sussex and haven't lost that standing. They just cannot use this status in any kind of commercial dealings in their new lives. When Charles ascends the throne, Harry will be The Prince Henry, Duke of Sussex as the son of a monarch. IMO, this separates them from being the nobility of the UK.



Just how I see it. [emoji2]

But Charles isn’t King right now, and “all they are” is The Duke and Duchess of Sussex in a foreign country, they don’t do work on behalf of the RF, will not be attending formal family events, and if they do come to visit it’s private.

I see that exactly as a member of British Nobility. If you want to argue about how close they are to royalty, then bump them to a single thread like that of the Kent’s or Chatto’s.

However, I’m not a Mod and I’m sure they have a plan for the Sussexes.

 

[poppy7]

I agree it is a really difficult one. Because what else is there about them.

If not move them to the nobility section since they aren't maybe it may be best give them a thread in Charles Forum. Kind of like Bea, Eug, Zara and Peter.

Of we can't discuss anything about them because there doesn't seem to be anything. Perhaps it's time to just move on.

 

[Alisa]

Accounts for both duchies are of public record. Any use of them to help relatives overseas will cause controversy. It's a can of worms.

That's just about right!

 

[Betsypaige]

I am honestly not trying be smart Or cute but if you take away all
Discussion of Finances, housing, family relations and the split what is exactly is their left to discuss about the Sussex family?

That’s a good point...

 

[Hallo girl]

That is true there isn't anything, as a result old ground is rehashed then the thread is closed.

 

[Muhler]

Well, someone in the know could perhaps tell us what is fashionable in California especially LA right now.
I.e. what do Californians support these days that H&M could attend or support as well - in order to get some attention?

The environment? Dolphins? Recycling? Cycling?

What's going on on the cultural front these days that H&M could support or attend and why?

Could they take an interest in the Spanish-speaking community there? And why?

Are there any upcoming events they could attend?

Apart from Corona and politics, what are the Americans in general and the Californians in particular preoccupied with these days that H&M could somehow participate in?

There are many homeless in California (the weather is better than in Montana I imagine) is that something they could focus on?

 

[carlota]

In any case, I agree completely with your post. I honestly just don't see what Harry brings to the table short of his experiences as part of the BRF. He spoke about mental health issues at that conference in Florida - he can do that, but beyond? Surely he can't speak to businessmen and women about business; what does he know that they don't? Harry is famous for being Royal -that's why people will attend his speeches/conferences/etc.. If he's going to try- well, he and Meghan- to get investors for whatever products they want to sell, he's going to have to do more than just be Prince Harry. Wealthy business people are wealthy generally because they are smart with their money; Harry has to give them sound reasons to want to be a part of his future.

this is a good point. we are interested in H&M because of their relationship with the RF - the ins and outs of their life as royals. we are not interested in harry as expert in wounded soldiers or in meghan as an expert in female education - there's experts out there on these topics whose opinions are worth way more than H&M's. what they bring to their causes is visibility (not expertise), and they do (did) that because of their roles as RF members.

if they are invited to a talk show, it is to discuss their private life. which i honestly hope they won't do because that would be tacky and honestly would damage their reputation.

Accounts for both duchies are of public record. Any use of them to help relatives overseas will cause controversy. It's a can of worms.

how are these accesible?

 

[Osipi]

how are these accesible?

I found the information very easily just by doing a search for Prince Charles financials. First is a good article that explains just how the Duchy of Cornwall works.

https://www.businessinsider.com/pri...-cornwall-residents-who-die-without-a-will-17

Then, there is released into the public domain an annual accounting of income, expenditures and staff issued by the Prince of Wales. This is the 2018-2019 report

https://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/annual-review/2018-2019/income-expenditure-and-staff

You can also download the entire accounting made public by the Duchy of Cornwall here.

https://duchyofcornwall.org/assets/pdf/DuchyOfCornwallIAR2018.pdf

 

[Durham]

Link is on post 1400 in Royal wealth and finances.
Can someone link that post to this please? Not sure how to do it.

 

[Heavs]

this is a good point. we are interested in H&M because of their relationship with the RF - the ins and outs of their life as royals. we are not interested in harry as expert in wounded soldiers or in meghan as an expert in female education - there's experts out there on these topics whose opinions are worth way more than H&M's. what they bring to their causes is visibility (not expertise), and they do (did) that because of their roles as RF members.

if they are invited to a talk show, it is to discuss their private life. which i honestly hope they won't do because that would be tacky and honestly would damage their reputation.

I remember there was talk of a Netflix or similar deal, presumably where they would narrate and host documentaries about causes they care about or some sort of travelogue-charity movies and other stuff. But if that was ever legitimately discussed it's obviously on hold right now.

I can see them being luxury brand ambassadors like Peter and Zara but both of those only last for so long and doesn't net you huge amounts of money to live in LA on just that.

I think any of their own branding would want to be high end but it's difficult not to slip in to tacky at least a little with thing like this. And an (ex-ish)royal hawking expensive stuff whilst asking their followers to donate to this good cause, support that movement etc can come off awkward at best.

 

[Betsypaige]

this is a good point. we are interested in H&M because of their relationship with the RF - the ins and outs of their life as royals. we are not interested in harry as expert in wounded soldiers or in meghan as an expert in female education - there's experts out there on these topics whose opinions are worth way more than H&M's. what they bring to their causes is visibility (not expertise), and they do (did) that because of their roles as RF members.

if they are invited to a talk show, it is to discuss their private life. which i honestly hope they won't do because that would be tacky and honestly would damage their reputation.



how are these accesible?

Yes, this. Charities/Foundations or anyone trying to raise money know they can attract more people if they get Harry to speak instead of an actual expert on such a subject. That kind of thing won't last forever - eventually all the sparkle will wear out and Harry will have to attract people on the strength of his abilities, not the strength of his name/connections.

 

[Eskimo]

I remember there was talk of a Netflix or similar deal, presumably where they would narrate and host documentaries about causes they care about or some sort of travelogue-charity movies and other stuff. But if that was ever legitimately discussed it's obviously on hold right now.

I can see them being luxury brand ambassadors like Peter and Zara but both of those only last for so long and doesn't net you huge amounts of money to live in LA on just that.

I think any of their own branding would want to be high end but it's difficult not to slip in to tacky at least a little with thing like this. And an (ex-ish)royal hawking expensive stuff whilst asking their followers to donate to this good cause, support that movement etc can come off awkward at best.

This is the crux of the issue. What opportunities will be available to them to earn the monies they need to live the lifestyle they want? With the US unemployment at 20%, most PR savvy companies will shy away from paying for high-end speakers who really do not have much of business importance to say.

Brand Ambassadorship carries risks for the companies that want to hire them. H&M are highly controversial figures (with a media target on their backs). I cannot see any high end brands wanting to risk a media microscope on their businesses by hiring these two.

Everything they need to do to earn a good income depends on their brand selling and I do not see that happening. Their brand is tarnished and any association with it will bring a lot of unwanted attention.

Also, I do not believe that the BRF will want to risk the wrath of the British public by welcoming Meghan back to royal duties. They can just about hide away Harry for a few years and then try to rehabilitate his image-but rightly or wrongly, Meghan is going to be blamed for it and there is too much risk for the BRF to attempt to try and rehabilitate her image with the UK taxpayer

 

[EvaH]

I stumbled upon this article. I feel bad for them leaving the UK/Canada. I do not recall reading anything similar to what is happening in LA in those 2 countries:

At least five drone-related incidents have been reported to the LAPD’s non-emergency line. The Daily Beast has been informed that there have been drone-related incidents at their home on May 9th, 19th, 20th, 21st, and 25th, which were all reported to the authorities.
[...]
A spokesperson for the LAPD said the May 20 incident was reported at 11:12 am, with the incident report reading: “Unknown suspects were flying a drone in the area and they were last seen on Coldwater Canyon.” A report for the Memorial Day attack said that “a drone was flying over residences” and that it is “an ongoing drone issue.”

And they currently don't have their own security which is really bizarre...

The friend said that Meghan and Harry felt violated by a media “hunt” to find out and publicize where they were living, and by “wild speculation” in the media about their security arrangements.

The friend said that fresh reports that Prince Charles was paying for their security were untrue, saying: “Charles is not paying for security costs.”

It is understood that the couple has yet to hire a permanent security team and is currently being protected by the private team already in place at the house they are residing at.

Source: https://www.thedailybeast.com/princ...flybys-to-lapd-will-now-pay-for-own-security?

 

[ACO]

They had drones in the UK and Canada too. In fact Harry won a lawsuit in the UK over one. So not surprised it happened in LA. Honestly though the most interest I see about where they live seem to be from UK papers. The US press doesn't seem to care nearly as much.

 

[poppy7]

They had drones in the UK and Canada too. In fact Harry won a lawsuit in the UK over one. So not surprised it happened in LA. Honestly though the most interest I see about where they live seem to be from UK papers. The US press doesn't seem to care nearly as much.

That was some aerial photo, I guess drone of either house they rented in Oxfordshire or Frogmore. Can't remember. But I know you couldnt see anything. I didn't even k ownitnezosted till a fuss was made. Of course the tabloids buy them but they are all over the internet.

 

[EvaH]

They had drones in the UK and Canada too. In fact Harry won a lawsuit in the UK over one. So not surprised it happened in LA. Honestly though the most interest I see about where they live seem to be from UK papers. The US press doesn't seem to care nearly as much.

I recall one incident in their rented Cotswold house when they were not even there? They also sued & won. Never heard of that happening in KP nor FC.
This article is talking about almost daily occurrences flying literally right next to them and nothing being able to stop those people. This article is from the US press and those drones do not seem to be sent from the UK...

 

[amaryllus]

If Harry has enough of this unsettled rather pointless lifestyle with no real prospects in a few years And wants back into his old life I am sure his family will grudgingly Accept even if it’s only on a basis like Andrew IE
On the down low and keeping quiet because family is family. The Public will grumble The press will grouse but they will get over it. A few photos with his son Or other children will do a lot for public relations To start.

But Meghan will be a bridge to far. They won’t want her again and she didn’t seem to care about fitting in first time round.

Tough decisions will probably Have be made in the next few years.

 

[poppy7]

She was very good by all accounts on visits. New her stuff. Read her briefings and research and was well liked the places she went. It is sad.

 

[Heavs]

Brand Ambassadorship carries risks for the companies that want to hire them. H&M are highly controversial figures (with a media target on their backs). I cannot see any high end brands wanting to risk a media microscope on their businesses by hiring these two.

Everything they need to do to earn a good income depends on their brand selling and I do not see that happening. Their brand is tarnished and any association with it will bring a lot of unwanted attention.

I mean there are some companies that thrive on controversial or "outrage" marketing. Nike successfully saw massive increase in awareness and sales due to that. But that's probably not what the Sussexes hope to do and they aren't controversial enough for that anyway IMO.

It remains to be seen if luxury brands will consider whether "The Meghan Effect" of clothing and jewellery still works (probably) and whether it's worth it (probably at least at first). But that won't be a drop in the ocean of what they want to earn in LA. And they'll have to be careful because they don't want to find themselves like Sarah flogging everything that will have her and appearing in adverts for Weight Watchers and others. The slide from genuine high end watches or cars to "posh" crisps/chocolate is a steep and fast one if you need the money. It depends on what they brand themselves as well.

I definitely don't support drones above their house 24/7 or anything else like that. I can't imagine living that way. And yes they're real people trying to live their lives. However to a certain extent, what did they expect? LA is the paparazzi capital of the world, they said they want to live public lives doing all the good they couldn't do before and making money from it, and this is the horrible part of what comes with the good press and adulation. If they had retired from public view to live quietly in {insert sleepy town here} this would be something else.

 

[Lee-Z]

I
Perhaps it's time to just move on.

...we're not really moving on are we...

?

?

Wonder what will come first: some real new from H&M (like a new public sighting) or one of the new books on them..

 

[Denville]

...we're not really moving on are we...

?

?

Wonder what will come first: some real new from H&M (like a new public sighting) or one of the new books on them..

but there is not muich going on in the world these days, esp in the Royal Field. Britisih royals are holding their meetings by computer, not exactly riveting stuff. Harry and MEg apart from their battles with the Pres aren't doing anything much either... so what can one say?

 

[Betsypaige]

I mean there are some companies that thrive on controversial or "outrage" marketing. Nike successfully saw massive increase in awareness and sales due to that. But that's probably not what the Sussexes hope to do and they aren't controversial enough for that anyway IMO.

It remains to be seen if luxury brands will consider whether "The Meghan Effect" of clothing and jewellery still works (probably) and whether it's worth it (probably at least at first). But that won't be a drop in the ocean of what they want to earn in LA. And they'll have to be careful because they don't want to find themselves like Sarah flogging everything that will have her and appearing in adverts for Weight Watchers and others. The slide from genuine high end watches or cars to "posh" crisps/chocolate is a steep and fast one if you need the money. It depends on what they brand themselves as well.

I definitely don't support drones above their house 24/7 or anything else like that. I can't imagine living that way. And yes they're real people trying to live their lives. However to a certain extent, what did they expect? LA is the paparazzi capital of the world, they said they want to live public lives doing all the good they couldn't do before and making money from it, and this is the horrible part of what comes with the good press and adulation. If they had retired from public view to live quietly in {insert sleepy town here} this would be something else.

This! I do fear they will try and imprint their brand on anything and everything in their efforts to be ubiquitous. They’re involved with Netflix, so I think it’s likely there will be a Sussex sponsored “movie”...admittedly that’s speculation.

Celebs deserve their privacy - certainly their fame doesn’t mean they should be hounded in public or especially at home. However, a certain level of scrutiny is to be expected as a price of that fame. The drones suck, but you don’t move to LA if you’re trying to escape press intrusion. If H and M truly prioritized privacy, there were many places they could have moved to.


(.........)

 

[QueenMathilde]

I read somewhere there was an interview with Oprah's friend Gail where Gail kept calling Meghan "your royal highness" or "Duchess" and Meghan didn't correct her. Does anyone know anything about that interview? I'd like to see that.

 

[Denville]

I read somewhere there was an interview with Oprah's friend Gail where Gail kept calling Meghan "your royal highness" or "Duchess" and Meghan didn't correct her. Does anyone know anything about that interview? I'd like to see that.

I can't see why there would be a problem with that, unless it was related to business. They can't use HRH in a business context.. If Megahn was being paid for the interview, she could not use HRH. She could still be addressed as Duchess.

 

[Fem]

I read somewhere there was an interview with Oprah's friend Gail where Gail kept calling Meghan "your royal highness" or "Duchess" and Meghan didn't correct her. Does anyone know anything about that interview? I'd like to see that.

Sorry, I don't understand - what kind of an interview? Did Gayle do an interview with Meghan? If not, how on earth was Meghan supposed to correct her?

As far as the term, while "your royal highness" is a bit sticky at the moment, Meghan definitely is still Duchess of Sussex - that didn't change. I mean, I wouldn't even make a thing out of it, the media are very weird with their uses of titles (in most cases, it's wrong), like "Prince Harry and Duchess Meghan" or "Meghan, Duchess of Sussex" (this one is the style used after the divorce). If this kind of thing flies with british publications, I don't see a reason why Gayle should be criticised.