General News about the Sussex Family, Part Two: April-August 2020

[Muhler]

And a 'show' is what basically a lifetime.... no one should have to suffer for a lifetime just to prop up other people who just happened to be born first. People are allowed to leave the family business if they choose to do so.

As for how... It wasn't a surprise to the family as the Queen herself said that talks were going on for months. The couple were being blackmailed into telling their story even before they were ready....one publication's editor wore that proudly on his chest. Other publications made it clear that Harry tried to get an appointment with the Queen before going public but was turned away by courtiers. If the BRF was so worried about optics and timing why didn't they protect the information more closely?

Unfortunately I don't know what goes on behind closed doors at the BRF and as such when, how and how much something was discussed is not something I will go into here.

There are various ways of leaving.
A transition period surely was not too much to ask. So that everyone could adjust, also H&M. And just as importantly ensure that the BRF could present a united front.
Apart from that H&A was not and is not in a position to dictate terms. As has become all too clear now.

Leaks happen, especially as quite a few advisors (and perhaps friends) had been involved in this. It's not just the court employees who were involved. It's friends of H&M too as well as government ministers and civil servants.
The BRF with H&M could simply issue a statement saying they are in the process of redefining their roles blah, blah...
But that's not what H&M did.

If I am to speculate, I find it more than likely that Harry actually did (and does) feel like you in regards to Meghan and the BRF and especially the UK press - and perhaps the UK public as well. - And that's all he wanted to hear.
He closed his ears to everyone saying: Come on. Easy now. You know the press. And Kate, Camilla, you yourself went through the same etc.

 

[Fem]

I do not think it is about Harry living in a fantasy world. I think it is about a
series of serious errors of judgement in recent years, which seem to have been compounded. For example, I still did not believe that Harry intended to actually step back when the 8 Jan announcement was made, I think it was a tantrum, and he did not anticipate things go so totally against him.

As to what is causing these errors of judgement, could include any or a combination of:

a) Perhaps Harry just not being very bright and misreading the situation;
b) Obstinacy on his part;
c) The grass is greener on the other side syndrome; or
d) Clear direction from Meghan, and unwillingness of Harry to be able to either stand up to her or moderate her ask, given H's emotional dependence on her.

All in all, it just seems like a real and total waste, as H&M had real potential in their royal careers, but that chapter of their lives appears to be well and truely over.

Please note some of this post has been copied from an earlier posting in a different thread, but felt just as apt here.

I'd also add isolation to that list - we know now about the rift between the brothers, giving up lifelong friendships and I think moving to Frogmore cemented everything. Sure, Windsor is a beautiful and private place to live, but they had to feel isolated, what, just the two of them, RPOs and staff.

I think Harry and Meghan created their own bubble and are just feeding their own points of view without trying to see other perspectives.

 

[ACO]

My favorite part of that Daily Mail article is listing items that Sussexes spent money which is clearly lies per their own lawsuits. I know the article is nonsense but they can’t even keep up with their own lies? But most people don’t really care if these things are factual as long as it jives with their view.

Thanks for the article though. Media clearly needed to fill a Sussex quota. They had their narrative either way — they didn’t pay back they need money. They do pay back — they need money. It’s comical really, but mostly predictable.

 

[Mirabel]

I sure hope that he and Meghan have a good relationship with his father -not just because for obvious reasons, but because they had to go ask him for a HUGE layout of funds..........and, since they will need constant security, Charles is going to have to support them forever.

I don't think Charles can afford to do that for very long (and I don't just mean financially).

His position depends largely on the public goodwill, and there won't be much goodwill if he is shelling out millions for a couple who no longer even live in the UK.

 

[poppy7]

Just about Charles' support of Harry pre the exit.

He pays for business matters. Kate and Meghan's work wardrobe for instance. Their offices. He didn't give them discretionary funds. Or at least none that were claimed as such. But then with a home, household and work matters paid for and a limit to what you can do. There wouldn't have been much discretionary money needed. That too would have increased for Meghan and Harry. The bill now will be larger.

And about their rather none understanding of money. I know someone who used to worked in a cafe down the road from the former King of Greece and his wife in London. Sofia was often there. Lovely apparently but she would wander up, choose what she wanted and wander off and the bodyguard would come and pay. I dont think any of them have much of an appreciation of money. Harry probably didnt really know who paid for what anyway. The security was a given. Ir how much anything really cost at all.

 

[Denville]

I don't think Charles can afford to do that for very long (and I don't just mean financially).

His position depends largely on the public goodwill, and there won't be much goodwill if he is shelling out millions for a couple who no longer even live in the UK.

but he is doing so at present. I agree that if he is seen to be "helping them out" to the tune of a few million a year, for years to come, its not goig to look good.

 

[Alisa]

After the South African interview it was quite clear that the couple was utterly miserable.

We know of the public castigation Meghan received from the press but I am inclined to believe that there were also battles behind the scenes as well. For the couple to make the decision to walk away from it all and find a way out must have meant they were not supported behind the scenes.
If we are to believe the stories, they were being criticized and bullied behind the scenes too. For example, the story of Meghan being an early riser and sending emails at 5AM could have only come from an insider. Then there are the reports of Meghan being the aggressor- yelling at staff and getting into rows with Kate over things from bridesmaid dresses to treatment of staff. Again, assuming there is any merit to those stories-the leak could only come from royal insiders/courtiers or staff. The stories could be true or they very well could have all been apart of an elaborate scheme to make the Duchess feel as unwelcomed as possible.

At the end of the day, given that there were other options for the couple for them to make such a drastic decision must have meant that things were very bad on all fronts.

I truly wish they did not leave and I am hoping that a happy medium can be reached after the trial period is over.
However, everyone deserves to be happy and " thriving" if leaving "the firm" makes them ultimately happy then I wish them all the luck in the world. Heavens knows (as I am sure they do too) they will need it.

 

[Claire]

I personally believe that we will see that the South African interview was more push to the Queen Secretary to action then a cry for help. They wanted something and weren't getting it. Miserable - no frustrated yep. but just my opinion.

What leads me to this idea - the fact that there were several takes of the interview , notably Meghan's Thrive and Survive section. Which they watched over and approved - they were making a message to someone about something. Pardon me - but I doubt I was the target audience.

 

[Osipi]

We actually do not know the gist of how much Charles is supporting H&M out of pocket and where the financial help (if any) is paying for. We're just assuming at this point in time. Charles is under no obligation to make any support he is helping H&M financially public knowledge.

Aside from the financial angle of their "new life in LA", I think the biggest factor that perhaps H&M didn't figure on is that a lot of their popularity, their influence and their appeal was based on the fact they had the "Firm" and being part of that "team" was their solid foundation.

Big Macs and Whoppers are very popular burgers to the civilized world. Take away the flame broiled and the "special sauce" and the logos and what you do have? Just a hamburger like every other hamburger in the world and nothing spectacular at all. It was their "royal" status that was H&M's "special sauce" and without that, well... just another hamburger anyone can make at home.

 

[Claire]

I really think that Harry and Meghan's problem/ concern/ misunderstanding is that they see that there is precedence to this. And yes - they are correct in a way and then completely off the boat as well. And yes - a large portion of the book will be on this as this is where they feel they have been robbed and mistreated.

Yes - Prince Edward was allowed to work and be a part time royal for the 1980's and 1990's - He did have security paid for by the Queen and he lived at Windsor and Buckingham Palace. He took the loan for Bagshot in 1997, but that was a strange arrangement that we might never get fully story on. But as the house was owned by the Royal Estates and had been left for a number of decades without restoration - partial repair, upkeep and maintain was done by Royal Estate. Edward was also able to do a number of engagements for the Crown at the time, but his office was one person as most of the work was for the DOE awards and was handled by the DOE office. Similar the charity work of York princess's is handled by the Duke of York office (unsure who handles it now). They don't get security from the Crown , paid for by Prince Andrew separately. And their housing is on the estate with the Queen, not extra security required. Unsure if the Queen or Andrew helps pay for it.

Firstly the world and security level from the 1990's is completely different to today. Harry is also a higher security risk. The price of Edward's security can not really be compared.

Edward was allowed to work outside of the family - yes. But he stayed in England and wasn't attempting to build a charity foundation. He made no attempt to raise his international profile, if that was the idea he certainly didn't make strives doing it. Same with Eugenie and Beatrice - there heads are pretty down as well . They are simply working.
Harry and Meghan want what Edward, Beatrice and Eugenie were given. They would consider that fair. But I don't think they realize Edward's case was in another time and would be woefully unsuitable now and for them.

Then there is the fact the palace wants them to be mindfully of the learnings of Edward and Sophie's years in the public sector and indeed the Duchess of York's experiences. But they have placed the one year check in for that purpose and the no HRH in business dealings rule. And that they also feel unfairly treated. The palace has learned a thing or two over the years, they don't realize that this has been done for their reputation as much as the palaces.

 

[Denville]

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Yes - Prince Edward was allowed to work and be a part time royal for the 1980's and 1990's - He did have security paid for by the Queen and he lived at Windsor and Buckingham Palace. He took the loan for Bagshot in 1997, but that was a strange arrangement that we might never get fully story on. But as the house was owned by the Royal Estates and had been left for a number of decades without restoration - partial repair, upkeep and maintain was done by Royal Estate. Edward was also able to do a number of engagements for the Crown at the time, but his office was one person as most of the work was for the DOE awards and was handled by the DOE office. Similar the charity work of York princess's is handled by the Duke of York office (unsure who handles it now). They don't get security from the Crown , paid for by Prince Andrew separately. And their housing is on the estate with the Queen, not extra security required. Unsure if the Queen or Andrew helps pay for it.

Firstly the world and security level from the 1990's is completely different to today. Harry is also a higher security risk. The price of Edward's security can not really be compared.

Edward was allowed to work outside of the family - yes. But he stayed in England and wasn't attempting to build a charity foundation. He made no attempt to raise his international profile, if that was the idea he certainly didn't make strives doing it. Same with Eugenie and Beatrice - there heads are pretty down as well . They are simply working.
Harry and Meghan want what Edward, Beatrice and Eugenie were given. They would consider that fair. But I don't think they realize Edward's case was in another time and would be woefully unsuitable now and for them.

palaces.

Yes Edward was not meant to be a full time working royal, at the time of his marriage. He and Sophie were meant to be mainly working at their businesses but they did some engagements. BUT, (a) the salient point is, it did n't work. They got into messes, their businesses didn't do that well, and in the end, they had to give up working for themselves and become full time royals... Harry should realise that, that one big reason he wasn't allowed to be a part time royal was that the queen had seen with Edward that it did ntot work out.
Edwards business endeavours were modest compared with what M and Harry are presumably aiming at...but it still did not work out..
and also, (b) Edward and Sophie had the agreement with the queen at the time of their marriage what they would do, that their main working life would be their businesses...
whereas Harry and Meghan were presumably agreeing to go a different path and be full time royals form the time of their marriage...and within a year they wanted out of it.

 

[Denville]

To be fair. What did Harry know about any life? He didn't think this though. He thought 'he' mattered. When of course the role matters. Must have been a bit of shock. Problem is with all this is that the Sussexes leak that puff article to the Times and the others go fishing to get their own article. You can't win. Basically Harry is just the same as many adult children in privileged families who don't work. I wouldn't even mind if he came from a wealthy family and did a relatively low wage job that was good for society: teaching, charity, social care and got a bit of monetary contribution for a home etc because those people are contributing to society but obviously they are used to a more expensive way of living. Starting a foundation when you don't have the funds is a bit extreme. He could start small and get involved with military charities in the USA while still lending his support to his old organisations.

but they want to make money.. not just "set up a charity foundation". If they just wanted to do some kind of charity wrok, they have the funds to live in maybe Canada, and take up a charity role of some kind, but they wuodl probably still need an input from Charles for their security.

Or they could just have stayed within the RF, since much of their raison d'etre is that they DO do charity work...

 

[poppy7]

but they want to make money.. not just "set up a charity foundation". If they just wanted to do some kind of charity wrok, they have the funds to live in maybe Canada, and take up a charity role of some kind, but they wuodl probably still need an input from Charles for their security.

Or they could just have stayed within the RF, since much of their raison d'etre is that they DO do charity work...

Well that is why the foundation was scraped. You cannot make money through that structure and the technical verbiage of what they will do allows the foundation to support itself. Which is why they want.

The wanted a half in and half out situation because the foundation would ot be subject to rules, they wouldn't need to make money from it, theybcould do other stuff and they could still have royal support.

 

[Denville]

Well that is why the foundation was scraped. You cannot make money through that structure and the technical verbiage of what they will do allows the foundation to support itself. Which is why they want.

The wanted a half in and half out situation because the foundation would ot be subject to rules, they wouldn't need to make money from it, theybcould do other stuff and they could still have royal support.

Im confused. I thought that they said they didn't want a foundation... but would do charity work (after they'd gone) in some new way(not really specified how?). (To clarify, when I said they didn't just want to set up a charity foundation, I didn't mean it literally - I meant that they didn't JUST want to sepnd their days doing charitable works, but wanted to earn a living as well).
I used the term loosely about Charity foundation...
But IMO to make the money to live.. let alone to donate anything to charity, they are going to have to really work at it. Their lifestyle needs a LOT of dough. So they wouldl find that they were too busy with earning a living to spend much time doing charity work.
I agree that they probably wanted "half in half out" set up, because they wanted the money and support from Charles/RF/taxpayer.. and if their business life went pear shaped they could come back to full time royal life...(though I fele that Meghan would hate this)...But it would be a safety net. but they haven't really considered all the expenses of moving and living abroad... plus the even greater expense of choosing to live in LA rather than somewhere quieter and cheaper.

 

[poppy7]

Im confused. I thought that they said they didn't want a foundation... but would do charity work (after they'd gone) in some new way(not really specified how?). (To clarify, when I said they didn't just want to set up a charity foundation, I didn't mean it literally - I meant that they didn't JUST want to sepnd their days doing charitable works, but wanted to earn a living as well).
I used the term loosely about Charity foundation...
But IMO to make the money to live.. let alone to donate anything to charity, they are going to have to really work at it. Their lifestyle needs a LOT of dough. So they wouldl find that they were too busy with earning a living to spend much time doing charity work.
I agree that they probably wanted "half in half out" set up, because they wanted the money and support from Charles/RF/taxpayer.. and if their business life went pear shaped they could come back to full time royal life...(though I fele that Meghan would hate this)...But it would be a safety net. but they haven't really considered all the expenses of moving and living abroad... plus the even greater expense of choosing to live in LA rather than somewhere quieter and cheaper.

There is some legal variations. But basically the plan was always for the foundation. But the rules around a foundation are that you cannot plough the money you make back into the foundation. Basically all money is diverted to causes and the foundation is self sustaining. Which post leave they could not afford to do. What they want now is a specific charity form that allows the money you make to basically pay for the charity too. Its residual profits that are given to charity.

I think it was money but also I think the work they do and the things they say in the royal family are very much contained. You know Meghan flew pretty close to the wind with the things she said in the early days. She wants a voice. The royals give the voice. I don't think it suited her.

 

[Eskimo]

This thread over the last few days has been very interesting reading.

None of the members of the RF are equipped to be financially independent of the crown. The only marketable skill they all seem to have is their ability to cash in on their connections-- and we have repeatedly seen how this get them into all sorts of trouble. The BRF needs to be working on a plan for Charlotte, Louis (and other distant relations) acquiring skills to be able to independently support themselves that does not include trading in on their royal status.

I agree with posters, that even pre-COVID H&M overestimated their appeal and marketability. COVID-19 put a further damper in this. I like the hamburger analogy--Harry seems to think that being Diana's son and walking behind her coffin at 12 is the special sauce that will keep on giving--it won't.

Their exit plan had not been realistically thought out. Harry just assumed that his govt. funded security and free housing would continue no matter where he lived/what he did. I believe the article about the Home Secretary having to step in, if it was not true she would have publicly denied it.

H&M are looking at 10 million+ a year in costs for the lifestyle they are accustomed to. Charles' income from the Duchy of Cornwall was 21.6 million last year--he cannot afford to spend 50% of more of that supporting his second son for any extended period of time.

 

[poppy7]

This thread over the last few days has been very interesting reading.

None of the members of the RF are equipped to be financially independent of the crown. The only marketable skill they all seem to have is their ability to cash in on their connections-- and we have repeatedly seen how this get them into all sorts of trouble. The BRF needs to be working on a plan for Charlotte, Louis (and other distant relations) acquiring skills to be able to independently support themselves that does not include trading in on their royal status.

I agree with posters, that even pre-COVID H&M overestimated their appeal and marketability. COVID-19 put a further damper in this. I like the hamburger analogy--Harry seems to think that being Diana's son and walking behind her coffin at 12 is the special sauce that will keep on giving--it won't.

Their exit plan had not been realistically thought out. Harry just assumed that his govt. funded security and free housing would continue no matter where he lived/what he did. I believe the article about the Home Secretary having to step in, if it was not true she would have publicly denied it.

H&M are looking at 10 million+ a year in costs for the lifestyle they are accustomed to. Charles' income from the Duchy of Cornwall was 21.6 million last year--he cannot afford to spend 50% of more of that supporting his second son for any extended period of time.

Well Charlotte and Louis will get an excellent education.

But to be honest there is no nreal job they can do that won't attract people who want them for who they are. Except public service: medicine, teaching etc. or charity work. And that is what the royals do so they may be better of to stay as a working royal.

Turns out how bright they are or talented or what their individual interests are. By the time they are grown and their brother is King there won't be any other working royals. They may will be needed.

Beatrice and Eugenie both did better in education than W and H and they both essentially have posh girl jobs in the art and finance world. Works for them. Maybe Charlotte and Louis will di something like that. Peter and Zara do get work based on who they are related too.

 

[MidwestMom]

Until now, I have not posted anything about the Harry & Meghan situation. I do have a few random thoughts: when it comes to the BRF, you're either in or out, not halfway. The Duke of Windsor wanted out, he also wanted royal privileges. Nothing doing. He wanted out, he was out. Period. Princess Margaret thought she could marry Capt. Townsend and still have her royal position. That wasn't possible at the time, and the results brought sadness all around. Princess Diana got out, with tragic results. She no longer had the protection of the BRF and didn't do well on her own. Royals are born into such unusual circumstances. Yes, they have privileges, but they also have limitations. If you can't live with those limitations, you'd better have a good emotional and financial foundation before you leave. I hope that Harry and Meghan eventually get to a good place in their lives. For now, it seems that they have just traded one set of problems for another.

 

[Betsypaige]

I don't think Charles can afford to do that for very long (and I don't just mean financially).

His position depends largely on the public goodwill, and there won't be much goodwill if he is shelling out millions for a couple who no longer even live in the UK.

If he’s dipping into his private fund, is it the public’s business? It’s still his son - Charles isn’t going to leave Harry with no security. If we’re talking public funds, that’s another story. I agree either way that he won’t be able to keep it up financially.

 

[carlota]

it is ironic that these two left the RF to be 'financially independent' and now all we talk about is that charles is footing the bill for them...

i am glad that trudeau made clear that there would be no preferential treatment for them in terms of visas/legal right to remain in canada, after they settled during xmas and after they visited the canadian embassy to schmooze the canadians, surely in the hope that they'd roll out the red carpet and they'd say how delighted they were about H&M settling in canada (accompained by new shiny visas, and security footed by the canadians). clearly the response was clear - it was a 'no', and they had to go back to the USA which was somewhere where they had a legal right to remain. and then trump said that the USA would also not foot the bill for their security.

We know of the public castigation Meghan received from the press but I am inclined to believe that there were also battles behind the scenes as well. For the couple to make the decision to walk away from it all and find a way out must have meant they were not supported behind the scenes.

it is quite possible. i felt that their bombshell 'announcement' that there were leaving, done without telling the queen, charles or william was a revenge of sorts, so to me what you say is probably right. this wasn't just about the press - they wanted to win against 'the firm', presumably because they were ill-treated.

 

[Muhler]

Surely none of you here expect Charles to pay for H&M's upkeep for life?

That won't happen. That cannot happen.

One way or another H&M will have to earn some money on their own and the period where they are going to earn the most will very likely be over the next few years.
It will be easy for Meghan, she is native and being on talkshows and at events and premieres and promoting something is something she is geared into. Probably hoped for beforehand.
Harry however... may very well find that he will have to "prostitute" some of his principles and appear in things he may not find that delightful. And all of it with a lot of press.
- I mean, what other options does he have?
His only work experiences and qualifications are representation and the military.
I doubt the US military will be in serious need of a former British officer and certainly not at a high salary.
So that leaves representation in all its various forms. But that's what he is going to earn his money on. His name and being royal.
Harry will be the new giraffe in the zoo called Los Angeles/USA - for a few years.

And if that doesn't work or they squander away the money they earn, they will have to do some serious adjustments to their lifestyle. Even with the odd supplements from Charles - who as we all know, won't live forever.
Also, I doubt very much William will be willing to foot the bill for a (still estranged?) brother living a most comfortable life, in say twenty years from now.
So no matter what, H&M better start earning money and the sooner the better.

 

[Betsypaige]

Surely none of you here expect Charles to pay for H&M's upkeep for life?

That won't happen. That cannot happen.

One way or another H&M will have to earn some money on their own and the period where they are going to earn the most will very likely be over the next few years.
It will be easy for Meghan, she is native and being on talkshows and at events and premieres and promoting something is something she is geared into. Probably hoped for beforehand.
Harry however... may very well find that he will have to "prostitute" some of his principles and appear in things he may not find that delightful. And all of it with a lot of press.
- I mean, what other options does he have?
His only work experiences and qualifications are representation and the military.
I doubt the US military will be in serious need of a former British officer and certainly not at a high salary.
So that leaves representation in all it's various forms. But that's what he is going to earn his money on. His name and being royal.
Harry will be the new giraffe in the zoo called Los Angeles/USA - for a few years.

And if that doesn't work or they squander away the money they earn, they will have to do some serious adjustments to their lifestyle. Even with the odd supplements from Charles - who as we all know, won't live forever.
Also, I doubt very much William will be willing to foot the bill for a (still estranged?) brother living a most comfortable life, in say twenty years from now.
So no matter what, H&M better start earning money and the sooner the better.

I certainly don't expect Charles to keep footing the bill, but the question is what does Harry expect? I wonder if Charles is afraid of losing his mercurial son, with whom he seems to have had an up and down relationship with?

In any case, I agree completely with your post. I honestly just don't see what Harry brings to the table short of his experiences as part of the BRF. He spoke about mental health issues at that conference in Florida - he can do that, but beyond? Surely he can't speak to businessmen and women about business; what does he know that they don't? Harry is famous for being Royal -that's why people will attend his speeches/conferences/etc.. If he's going to try- well, he and Meghan- to get investors for whatever products they want to sell, he's going to have to do more than just be Prince Harry. Wealthy business people are wealthy generally because they are smart with their money; Harry has to give them sound reasons to want to be a part of his future.

 

[Denville]

There is some legal variations. But basically the plan was always for the foundation. But the rules around a foundation are that you cannot plough the money you make back into the foundation. Basically all money is diverted to causes and the foundation is self sustaining. Which post leave they could not afford to do. What they want now is a specific charity form that allows the money you make to basically pay for the charity too. Its residual profits that are given to charity.

I think it was money but also I think the work they do and the things they say in the royal family are very much contained. You know Meghan flew pretty close to the wind with the things she said in the early days. She wants a voice. The royals give the voice. I don't think it suited her.

Thanks. I can't remember her saying anything particularly political... but then I did't pay that much attention to her..Does a foundation not let you use some of the money to pay for costs such as office, staff salaries, postage IT all that kind of thing? So a foundation need a big capital outlay, and periodic inputs of capital when all your computers break down at once or whatever?

Im not sure what they wanted, but I think its money and general freedom more than "freedom to say things or choose tehir own charities". I thnk they did not like the set up that was in the RF, where they had engagements, maybe some were very dull and they fancied a night off, but would probably be told "you have to go Sir, its your duty" and possibly being reminded that Dad/the RF was paying a lot of their expenses. They wanted to be able to say "no, we're not doing X and we can say no because we make our own money..."

 

[muriel]

Surely none of you here expect Charles to pay for H&M's upkeep for life?

That won't happen. That cannot happen.

One way or another H&M will have to earn some money on their own and the period where they are going to earn the most will very likely be over the next few years.
It will be easy for Meghan, she is native and being on talkshows and at events and premieres and promoting something is something she is geared into. Probably hoped for beforehand.
Harry however... may very well find that he will have to "prostitute" some of his principles and appear in things he may not find that delightful. And all of it with a lot of press.
- I mean, what other options does he have?
His only work experiences and qualifications are representation and the military.
I doubt the US military will be in serious need of a former British officer and certainly not at a high salary.
So that leaves representation in all its various forms. But that's what he is going to earn his money on. His name and being royal.
Harry will be the new giraffe in the zoo called Los Angeles/USA - for a few years.

And if that doesn't work or they squander away the money they earn, they will have to do some serious adjustments to their lifestyle. Even with the odd supplements from Charles - who as we all know, won't live forever.
Also, I doubt very much William will be willing to foot the bill for a (still estranged?) brother living a most comfortable life, in say twenty years from now.
So no matter what, H&M better start earning money and the sooner the better.

I certainly don't expect Charles to keep footing the bill, but the question is what does Harry expect? I wonder if Charles is afraid of losing his mercurial son, with whom he seems to have had an up and down relationship with?

In any case, I agree completely with your post. I honestly just don't see what Harry brings to the table short of his experiences as part of the BRF. He spoke about mental health issues at that conference in Florida - he can do that, but beyond? Surely he can't speak to businessmen and women about business; what does he know that they don't? Harry is famous for being Royal -that's why people will attend his speeches/conferences/etc.. If he's going to try- well, he and Meghan- to get investors for whatever products they want to sell, he's going to have to do more than just be Prince Harry. Wealthy business people are wealthy generally because they are smart with their money; Harry has to give them sound reasons to want to be a part of his future.

My view is that Charles will continue to support them for some time (his life time?), but perhaps to the tune of say, £2m per year or thereabouts. In addition, there will be the interest on the c£15-20m that Harry is meant to have, say another c£0.5-1m per year. In theory, they could comfortably live on c£2.5-3m per year, but even that will not give them the lifestyle of private jets and £100,000 single use gowns that she probably seeks.

So, all in all, they will need to, and probably want to, cash in their royal status to try and build a lifestyle and philanthropy empire. Part Angelina Jolie, part Gwynneth P, part Oprah. Add in branding like Beyonce, and you see where this could go.

But to address the question of how long Charles will pay, I think he will put a reasonable amout of money towards Harry for the rest of his life. This is what he would have done had Harry remained in the royal fold, and that is what he will continue to do as he probably does not wnat Harry to go looking at less than kosher sources of financing in his quest for financial independence.

 

[Denville]

Surely none of you here expect Charles to pay for H&M's upkeep for life?

That won't happen. That cannot happen.


So that leaves representation in all its various forms. But that's what he is going to earn his money on. His name and being royal.
Harry will be the new giraffe in the zoo called Los Angeles/USA - for a few years.

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So no matter what, H&M better start earning money and the sooner the better.

But can they? THe economy is going to be depressed and as you say they don't have anything all that special. I think that Meghan will be the same as harry in that her "special thing" is that she's a Duchess, the wife of a British prince.. and after a while Im not sure that being the wife of a British Royal will be all that much of a draw.
They may WANT to earn money but I think that for some years, they are going to struggle.. so who is going to pay something towards their lifestyle? Charles. Maybe he will get fed up but I don't think he would ever totally cut them off. It might be the best thing for Harry but I don't relay believe that Charles would do it. So I don't think one can say that It wont happen.
He will also leave money to Harry and he's probably been discussing with William over the last few months about what will happen if H still needs payments later on. I don't say that William will be all that happy either to shell out, but I don't think he will totally refuse his brother.

 

[Missjersey]

The struggle, imo, is how to profit from riding the coattails....

 

[KellyAtLast]

But can they? THe economy is going to be depressed and as you say they don't have anything all that special. I think that Meghan will be the same as harry in that her "special thing" is that she's a Duchess, the wife of a British prince.. and after a while Im not sure that being the wife of a British Royal will be all that much of a draw.
They may WANT to earn money but I think that for some years, they are going to struggle.. so who is going to pay something towards their lifestyle? Charles. Maybe he will get fed up but I don't think he would ever totally cut them off. It might be the best thing for Harry but I don't relay believe that Charles would do it. So I don't think one can say that It wont happen.
He will also leave money to Harry and he's probably been discussing with William over the last few months about what will happen if H still needs payments later on. I don't say that William will be all that happy either to shell out, but I don't think he will totally refuse his brother.

Why would Charles talk to William about continuing to give money to him in the future. It's hypocritical of Charles to ask William to fund his brother when Charles has never ever funded any of his siblings EVER. It is not now never has it ever been and never will be Williams job to fund the Sussex he is not responsible for them. If by the time William is King Harry still has not got his life in order and be truly self sufficient then that's on him.

 

[Nice Nofret]

Charles as POW has not funded his siblings because there is no need, as children of a monarch they are funded by the monarch.


Depending on the arrangments made by QEII he might be funding his siblings when he is the monarch. So that might come true also of William - when he is monarch one day.


I don't say it will be like that - I only say - we do not know!

 

[KellyAtLast]

Charles as POW has not funded his siblings because there is no need, as children of a monarch they are funded by the monarch.


Depending on the arrangments made by QEII he might be funding his siblings when he is the monarch. So that might come true also of William - when he is monarch one day.


I don't say it will be like that - I only say - we do not know!

When Charles is King he will fund his siblings who are working royals (except maybe Andrew). Harry is no longer working so why would William be funding him living in a foreign country. Harry shouldn't even be funded now.

 

[Denville]

Why would Charles talk to William about continuing to give money to him in the future. It's hypocritical of Charles to ask William to fund his brother when Charles has never ever funded any of his siblings EVER. It is not now never has it ever been and never will be Williams job to fund the Sussex he is not responsible for them. If by the time William is King Harry still has not got his life in order and be truly self sufficient then that's on him.

William has been involved with the talks with Harry and Im sure that he has been discussing the future, when WIll is DUke of Cornwall and after he is gone when William is king. What is hypocritical about it? Charles didn't fund his siblings because he is not their father, the queen has done so. Now his son is In an unprecedented situation, of leaving the RF.. and Im sure that WIll's been involved in the talks of what to do with Harry and how to manage if he's not that well off when he's older. William is Harry's older brother and will be King and will have more money than him, and im sure that even if there is tension between them, he wont leave his brother stuck..