General News about the Sussex Family, Part Two: April-August 2020

[evolvingdoors]

He is grown man near 40 with a wife and child. At that age you Need have peers and Bro’s to have guy time with. Having a “father figure” esp one with his and Rep like Fosters Is Bizarre.

BTW, all the people who blab to the Media And hang with them are her old friends and acquaintances but Where are the folks and good friends And family Harry Grew up with? You know If they ever visit it would be reported but nothing and That’s really not good. Hopefully they FaceTime at least.

I can only hope Harry’s friends, for the most part m, know to keep their mouth shut and not blab to the press. It is why they remained in his and William circle for so long.

Imo you see the major difference between: Meghan Hollywood and Hollywood wannabes circle is more than happy to blab and provide information (no matter how small it is) and to capitalize on their connection, Harry’s circle don’t.
Chelsy, who reportedly is still friends with Harry, was recently asked about them and she simply said: not commenting, next question.

And there, imo, lies the difference between their two worlds.

 

[amaryllus]

But Unless I misremember no Old friend or family of his has visited them Is my point. Not blabbing is understandable because they are probably more discreet and respectful than the B list Starlet/glitterati set of Meghan’s and Corona has changed travel plans but It just seems off to me and I will leave it at that

 

[Betsypaige]

not everyone, just anyone who isn’t one of her Hollywood friends.


And I got blocked by Katherine by just saying she shouldn’t provide private info about a couple who seem to care so much for their privacy and it wa disrespectful to harry’s Father what she said.
Oh well :shrugs:

She’s just a bit thin-skinned, lol - I’m sure you’re not missing a thing !

A lot of people call their father-in-law "Dad". Until the last couple of generations, it was considered very rude to address an older person by their first name, so "Dad" was a convenient alternative to "Mr Middleton", which was way too formal, and some younger people do the same just as a throwback to then. I can't imagine Charles was that bothered by it. But suggesting that Harry is looking for a father figure would certainly be quite hurtful.

I know that, but it doesn’t sound as if William had been calling Mr. Middleton “Dad” - he was calling him “Mike”. I don’t want to go much further than this because this is the Sussex thread, but if reports from several years ago are true, I could buy it, especially if Charles and William weren’t that close.

 

[poppy7]

But Unless I misremember no Old friend or family of his has visited them Is my point. Not blabbing is understandable because they are probably more discreet and respectful than the B list Starlet/glitterati set of Meghan’s and Corona has changed travel plans but It just seems off to me and I will leave it at that

Well we wouldn't know. And they were never photographed etc in the UK either.

I don't want to speculate but it is pretty obvious that within the core group, and Harry has independent friends, of families that were friends with the Wales boys growing up and were almost family, there has been a rift.

Also many of his own friends had moved on before Harry married. Some living in America and all around.

 

[Betsypaige]

The whole thing is very tacky, but oh so very Hollywood, isn't it? The whole "father figure", how good he is, how he loves to help people... I really hope it's just Katherine trying to get some good press after her marriage, because I remember things being nasty when she got official with her now-husband, and not any kind of suggestion that Harry's relationship with Charles is that bad.

Harry and Charles seemed close, but who knows what their relationship is now? I do believe H was upset with his father during the whole Megxit affair, but I’m not sure that’s the case now.

On another note, having father and/or mother figures in ones life is fine, but it’s usually when the mother and/or father are not physically and/or emotionally available. Charles needed his grandmother as a mothering figure because the Queen was rather distant. He needed a father figure in “Uncle Dickie” because his father was hard on him, didn’t understand him. Harry is not in this situation with his father, so it would be odd for him to look at anyone else as a father figure. It could be that this Z list celeb just wants more attention.

 

[Osipi]

Not always. When my youngest son married, there was a photograph taken of "the four moms". People that my son saw as "mothering figures in his life". It didn't in any way lessen my status as his mother. At least not in my eyes it didn't. Then again, being an adoptee, I've always encouraged my kids to "adopt" anyone they chose to in any manner they'd choose to. This remains true for me to this day.

Many people come into our lives that influence us in different ways and sometimes in a way that a parent isn't adept at. Its all good.

 

[BaiSoSo]

Honestly, I don't see what the problem is:

1. We have no idea how Harry feels about his relationship with David as he nor a person speaking on his behalf has said a word about it.
2. So what if Harry does, in fact, see David as a father figure?
3. Harry is allowed to form bonds with people outside of his immediate family if he chooses to do so.

 

[Fem]

Harry and Charles seemed close, but who knows what their relationship is now? I do believe H was upset with his father during the whole Megxit affair, but I’m not sure that’s the case now.

On another note, having father and/or mother figures in ones life is fine, but it’s usually when the mother and/or father are not physically and/or emotionally available. Charles needed his grandmother as a mothering figure because the Queen was rather distant. He needed a father figure in “Uncle Dickie” because his father was hard on him, didn’t understand him. Harry is not in this situation with his father, so it would be odd for him to look at anyone else as a father figure. It could be that this Z list celeb just wants more attention.

Well, I mean, they are hardly Z-list celebs Well, she, maybe, but her husband definitely not. I hope she just wanted her name in the press and jumped on that "we're gonna provide safe haven for Harry and Meghan in LA" train that seems to be going on since we've got the news.

As far as Harry's relationship with his father, that's a different thread, I believe

 

[Lumutqueen]

General News about the Sussex Family, Part Two: April 2020-

Honestly, I don't see what the problem is:

1. We have no idea how Harry feels about his relationship with David as he nor a person speaking on his behalf has said a word about it.

Well Katherine clearly felt comfortable releasing such information. Whilst she isn’t speaking for Henry, she is speaking about him and her husband, to have formed that opinion she and others clearly see the relationship that way.

2. So what if Harry does, in fact, see David as a father figure?

He can, but we as “commentators” on the situation are allowed to have an opinion on how we feel about that. That’s what this forum is about, sharing opinions.

3. Harry is allowed to form bonds with people outside of his immediate family if he chooses to do so.

I don’t think anyone has said he can’t, but we’re also allowed to comment on publicly released information on those bonds.

 

[miss whirley]

While it's a bit crass to make such a statement at a time when Harry seems at odds with his family, the statement is probably rooted in truth.

I think Harry is quite "young" emotionally/mentally and often seeks out parental figures to nurture him. How often have we read that Mark Dyer is like a second father to him? Or that he has a close bond with Tiggy and she's like a second mother. Back when he was really close Prince Andrew, even holidaying together for Andrew's birthday the media portrayed the relationship is stronger than most Uncles-Nephews, more like Harry was a substitute son for Andrew. I even think Meghan takes on a motherly/guider role with Harry.

So I think it's very likely that David Foster has taken on a metaphoric caregiver role with Harry. Though I doubt it's all that "special", in terms of uniqueness. If you ask someone indiscreet who's close to Oprah I'm sure they'd say Oprah has taken on a motherly bond with Harry and is trying to help him.

 

[QueenMathilde]

It worries me that Meghan and Harry seems to be accepting gifts from rich friends so much at the moment.
And yes - I am aware that many royals do that but I think now, after everything that really needs to stop. It really places them in a bad position when they start asking for favors back that you can give or shouldn't be doing. And of course, they cannot do background checks and very through background checks on every single person they meet. They really should stop accepting money, offers of free houses etc. as soon as possible.

The royal most famous for taking gifts from friends and "selling" their titles for profit are Fergie and Andrew. It didn't turn out well for them.

 

[Betsypaige]

Not always. When my youngest son married, there was a photograph taken of "the four moms". People that my son saw as "mothering figures in his life". It didn't in any way lessen my status as his mother. At least not in my eyes it didn't. Then again, being an adoptee, I've always encouraged my kids to "adopt" anyone they chose to in any manner they'd choose to. This remains true for me to this day.

Many people come into our lives that influence us in different ways and sometimes in a way that a parent isn't adept at. Its all good.

I agree with all that. I might be less concerned with this if I knew that Harry and Charles were on really good terms. Either way, though, I think it’s ridiculous how H and M’s friends just keep babbling about them..

Fem:

Well, I mean, they are hardly Z-list celebs Well, she, maybe, but her husband definitely not. I hope she just wanted her name in the press and jumped on that "we're gonna provide safe haven for Harry and Meghan in LA" train that seems to be going on since we've got the news.

As far as Harry's relationship with his father, that's a different thread, I believe

This young woman isn’t Z list? Some singer from a tv show? She sure isn’t what I consider a real celebrity.

I never heard of her husband.

 

[poppy7]

I agree with all that. I might be less concerned with this if I knew that Harry and Charles were on really good terms. Either way, though, I think it’s ridiculous how H and M’s friends just keep babbling about them..

Fem:



This young woman isn’t Z list? Some singer from a tv show? She sure isn’t what I consider a real celebrity.

I never heard of her husband.

Never heard of either of them.

Its Americans and royals. Oh my Inhave a royal friend. Carey Mulligan went to their wedding and when questioned about why she was there said: we're friends. And tumbleweed while nothing is said.

Royals friends dont talk to the media.

 

[Heavs]

This young woman isn’t Z list? Some singer from a tv show? She sure isn’t what I consider a real celebrity.

I never heard of her husband.

She's been a series regular on a couple of network TV shows including Scorpion but hasn't really done much in the last couple of years. So more than just American Idol. I do think she seemed to be enjoying talking about it in interviews and if she's blocking people who are telling her she's not being discreet about a couple that said they wanted privacy then she either has their permission to talk or isn't actually a very good friend.

Her husband is very famous but I guess you have to be interested in his music to have heard of him.

 

[Betsypaige]

She's been a series regular on a couple of network TV shows including Scorpion but hasn't really done much in the last couple of years. So more than just American Idol. I do think she seemed to be enjoying talking about it in interviews and if she's blocking people who are telling her she's not being discreet about a couple that said they wanted privacy then she either has their permission to talk or isn't actually a very good friend.

Her husband is very famous but I guess you have to be interested in his music to have heard of him.

Thanks for the info! I Googled David Foster, but most of the recent stuff is about his “beautiful”, “father -son” relationship with Harry, and I don’t want to read any of that stuff. How famous can he be if you have to know and love his music to have heard of him? That’s a rhetorical question...

 

[BaiSoSo]

Well Katherine clearly felt comfortable releasing such information. Whilst she isn’t speaking for Henry, she is speaking about him and her husband, to have formed that opinion she and others clearly see the relationship that way.


He can, but we as “commentators” on the situation are allowed to have an opinion on how we feel about that. That’s what this forum is about, sharing opinions.


I don’t think anyone has said he can’t, but we’re also allowed to comment on publicly released information on those bonds.

1. Exactly Katherine shared what her husband felt....not Harry.

2. I didn't say anyone couldn't comment...I just don't understand what the uproar is about, as I mentioned Harry hasn't said anything about it and it is pretty normal to form bonds outside of the immediate family.

 

[ACO]

Katherine McPhee randomly started talking about Meghan last year. She even admitted they hadn't seen each other in many many years. They went to high school together.

Not sure about "father figure" but the Fosters are pretty known for their name dropping ways. I honestly doubt this was anything more than that and it certainly worked. Three pages of talking about her...

 

[Mirabel]

This young woman isn’t Z list? Some singer from a tv show? She sure isn’t what I consider a real celebrity.

I never heard of her husband.

I never heard of them, and I'm glad others here say the same. I was starting to wonder if I was that much out of touch!

 

[Lumutqueen]

1. Exactly Katherine shared what her husband felt....not Harry.



2. I didn't say anyone couldn't comment...I just don't understand what the uproar is about, as I mentioned Harry hasn't said anything about it and it is pretty normal to form bonds outside of the immediate family.

Personally, I don’t see how someone could say something like that and think it just the opinion of one individual. To form that opinion, she would have to get the feeling from both parties, hence my comment.

Is there an uproar? I just see the standard level of commenting on a news article about The Duke and Duchess of Sussex.

 

[Osipi]

I only know of Katherine McPhee as she played Paige in "Scorpion" which lasted for 4 seasons on CBS in the US. It was one of my favorite shows to watch and was sad when it was cancelled. It was one of those shows where there is a cast and not one "outstanding" star.

I don't follow celebrities or Hollywood and the entertainment business and to this minute, I still don't know (or care) who David Foster is.

 

[Lumutqueen]

Katherine McPhee randomly started talking about Meghan last year. She even admitted they hadn't seen each other in many many years. They went to high school together.



Not sure about "father figure" but the Fosters are pretty known for their name dropping ways. I honestly doubt this was anything more than that and it certainly worked. Three pages of talking about her...

I don’t think the McPhee’s and Fosters really care about the 3 pages of talk on The Royal Forums...

 

[BaiSoSo]

Personally, I don’t see how someone could say something like that and think it just the opinion of one individual. To form that opinion, she would have to get the feeling from both parties, hence my comment.

Is there an uproar? I just see the standard level of commenting on a news article about The Duke and Duchess of Sussex.

People say things like all the time, especially about this couple that is one-sided; giving opinions on what they think/feel without ever speaking to them (and I'm referring to those in the media/public not message forums). In this case, we are to believe that her husband has such a close relationship with Harry that it is father/son like? But last year she had to put an invite out for Meghan to see her show via IG and a TV interview??

To me, the uproar... is questioning who/why Harry has close bonds with some people.

 

[Osipi]

Somehow I find it hard to believe that after growing up in the UK as a Prince of the UK and the many, many mentions of William and Harry's "circle of trust" and the ploys they'd use to determine who was to be trusted or not has totally been forgotten overnight.

People can say whatever they want to as "name dropping" is a popular past time, it seems. Doesn't mean that Harry, himself, falls for all of it.

 

[muriel]

Somehow I find it hard to believe that after growing up in the UK as a Prince of the UK and the many, many mentions of William and Harry's "circle of trust" and the ploys they'd use to determine who was to be trusted or not has totally been forgotten overnight.

People can say whatever they want to as "name dropping" is a popular past time, it seems. Doesn't mean that Harry, himself, falls for all of it.

You make a valid point, @Osipi. However, to me, Harry has made some serious errors of judgement in recent years, ones I would not expect him, with his background and upbringing, to make. With that context, one may think a lot of the obviously unbelievable things may also be true.

 

[Excalibur]

I never heard of her husband.

David Foster is an extremely successful songwriter and producer. He has been nominated for nearly 50 Grammys and won 16 of them. The list of artists he has worked with is a veritable who's-who of the music industry over the last 50 years.

As such, he probably has a very good understanding of how to survive -- and thrive -- in the Hollywood/LA strategem of society. This may be the type of "father figure" he has been to Harry of late, helping him navigate a world that is foreign to him -- and Prince Charles. No slight to Charles whatsoever, just seeking and appreciating help from those who have the experience and knowledge he lacks.

 

[irish_royalist]

So are savvy celebrity-types playing these two for more fame? Or are Harry and Meghan freeloading off them? Or is it a mutually-symbiotic relationship?? Who knows!

 

[Betsypaige]

David Foster is an extremely successful songwriter and producer. He has been nominated for nearly 50 Grammys and won 16 of them. The list of artists he has worked with is a veritable who's-who of the music industry over the last 50 years.

As such, he probably has a very good understanding of how to survive -- and thrive -- in the Hollywood/LA strategem of society. This may be the type of "father figure" he has been to Harry of late, helping him navigate a world that is foreign to him -- and Prince Charles. No slight to Charles whatsoever, just seeking and appreciating help from those who have the experience and knowledge he lacks.

Thank you!!!

That could be - makes a lot of sense!

 

[yvr girl]

Her husband is very famous but I guess you have to be interested in his music to have heard of him.

David Foster is one of the most famous music producers ever. He has worked with everyone from Paul McCartney to Dolly Parton to Celine Dion to Michael Buble. He's a big deal in the industry.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Foster

 

[Queen Claude]

I saw the interview and it seems like the point that Katherine was getting across was that while the initial connection was between her and Meghan, and that connection was not super tight, that David and Harry actually hit it off and have become quite close.

Katherine is an singer-actress who needs to promote her projects. She is not A-List and as such does not throw her weight around when it comes to interviews. The interviewer asked her a question and I like that she was unguarded enough to give the answer she gave.

I kinda understand the discomfort with this because it is not how we are used to getting information about royals, but at the same time, documentaries are done about royals all the time and friends and acquaintances do dish about the royals and I don't find this reveal that different than a reveal that would come about in a royal documentary.

I also thought about previous reveals about Harry being close to people like Mark Dyer and Tiggy Legge-Bourke / Tiggy Pettifer. I don't see these as being slights against Charles and Diana. David Foster is 70 and Harry is 35, so if they met and made a connection, I think that it is understandable to characterize it as father-son connection and not a bro connection.

 

[ACO]

I don’t think the McPhee’s and Fosters really care about the 3 pages of talk on The Royal Forums...

No but her comment got some decent amount of press and I can bet she knew it would be picked up. Just like her comments about being disappointed in not seeing them backstage at WE Day did. Of course she doesn't care about a royal forum but the point remains the same that suddenly we talking about her endlessly for pages. Mission accomplished.

As for anther piece of Sussex news... Gayle King was asked about Tyler's home and she made it clear that Oprah is not the connection. So that piece of gossip was incorrect.

https://www.etonline.com/gayle-king...-for-meghan-markle-and-prince-harry-exclusive